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Looking for the ones like said above, been looking at B. Mine, CoinMiningUnionCorp (CMUC),  Firemine, and Mineco. Does anyone have experience with any of these securities and yes I do know about the security flaws, am waiting for them to be fixed over at cryptostocks before I buy. And suggestions on what securities i should invest in? Doesn't matter if pays in BTC or LTC.

Where can I find those?

Check PETA and AsicMiner at Havelock.

This is something that you really have to figure out yourself. The board of securities (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=78.0) is a good place to start though.

Maybe playtin shares as discussed here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=499887.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=499887.0)
The site exists since ages and pays about 0.25% per day

B. Mine i dont know where it's listed whats the full name on that company ?

CMUC definately a SCAM they run away the 17:th feb i think it was, no sound from them since then and no more dividend from there miners they claimed to have

Firemine/Mineco/Digimine and altswap i suggest you awoid.
Firemine/mineco/altswap claimed to have been hacked.

Firemine is a SCAM or at best they "only" charged 8 times what current ASICs cost per GH, but they also left people with the stock and no dividend and demanded people upgraded to mineco for an extra 0.01 to get dividends in the future.
Mineco is fremine's followup stock after they somehow screwed up the first one and left most people with there stocks and no dividend in the first, mineco also left people with there stocks and no dividend
Digimine same issuer as Firemine and mineco, there 3rd attempt, stay away they havent explained what they claim to be mining with or how they calculate dividend, will probably end like the other 2 with people loosing there btc and get no dividend
ALTSWAP has the same emailadress as firemine/mineco so it's probably safest to stay away from that one to if he lends out his email to the other scammer that supposedly works for the ceo of altswap.

What you definately should do is to look very carefully and critical at securitys before you invest in any of them if you go throu them one after one and make a list of what you thing could be a legit stock and whats not and what might be possible to invest in then your a good step on the way.Then even if some stocks is legit they may not trade at resonable prices so they may not be a good buy at current price. If you end up with more than 10% of the stocks at cryptostocks as possible candidates to invest in your doing it wrong. You may also get a clue of what people think about different stocks if you search this forum for the stocks you have left on your list of possible candidates.

The stock at cryptostocks that most seems to think is legit and possible to invest in is cryptsy https://cryptostocks.com/securities/57, the stock cost around 0.19 btc at the moment and there avg dividend is around 0.2% per week at current price.
If you want something cheeper and possibly higher risk but with expected higher percentage dividends, maby you can buy GRID or FAS stock at 0.000001-0.000002 btc per stock and hope there legit.

Good luck

+1 for this post. Look for securites that communicate to their stockholders and have been around longer than 5 mins. Certainly avoid Firemine etc- definitely a scam. In fact Cryptostocks as a whole has a lot of shady stocks listed, and has a large withdrawal fee. As mentioned above Cryptsy would be the 'safest' bet of those on Cryptostocks.
Personally I would invest in stocks at Havelock instead- better quality companies who offer more detailed explanations to their shareholders. As far a mining goes I would look at Peta- trading at a good price right now, and they have begun issuing regular dividends which will only increase once more equipment is installed.
Ultimately, you need to do your own research- but make sure you read about any company that you invest in thoroughly- check the threads related to the stocks here on the securities board for other users personal experiences.

@precrime3 all securities on this board are scams or useless

1 exception is asicminer. dunno about current prices

B. Mine is under BDD, the Bitcoin Difficulty Derivative and acts as a 5 gh/s bond per share. They can be found at havelockinvestments.com

Oh ok, well if B.Mine is a good buy or not will depend on the future difficulty increase then, OP needs to do estimates of what will happen with difficulty to see if MINE or SELL will be better of as an investment here's one of the better calculators that you can try http://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/calculator .
Buying BDD and just hold both MINE and SELL should be a slight loss unless premiums from future buyers after you weighs up that so a slight pyramide effect is built into such scheme but i think the effect was smaller on BDD than it was on Deprived's DMS that was the model for it. Think i read that funds for BDD was held in escrow at Havelock so as long as you trust havelock then that stock should face less risk that someone runs away with the funds than on the avg stock in the btcworld.

Seen over the last years one of the best/safest investments has probably been the forum initiative ASICMINER's direct shares bought at launch price back then. Wheter or not it's traded price over time has been a good buy or not will of course matter depending on what your investment strategy and timeframe looks like and what the future will have in place on the ASICmarket.

check out PETA. has a solid future plan with a great team. dividends should keep increasing week-on-week for the next month or two.

ASIC miner is a high price, but they are pretty low dividends wise. I'm thinking of PETA, they seem to be the most promising. Well since difficulty basically is guaranteed to go up, is there even a point or should I just buy B. SELL?

be very careful. B.Sell only provides a profit if people overvalue B.Mine. this isn't always the case..

Bitcoin mining stocks can be tricky and you have to read up on what hardware they have and whats coming and when, for virtual mining like BDD it's slightly easier to calculate.

I haven't counted on BDD's different options on whether mining or sell looks best but generally people take some difficultyincrease in consitheration when they calculate what a resonable price for mining or sell should be so you can't just buy sell at any price and be guaranteed profit, if it would be that easy everyone would do it...

If you try the calculater i mentioned and try with what you think the "Difficulty Increment" will be 15 20 25 30 or whatever % you think may be resonable and 5 GH as "Hash Rate" and the rest at 0 you can see what the total predicted income for B.mine would be 20% for example gives 0.04303, thats pretty much what B.MINE trades for bids 0.04010000, asks 0.04100000.

If difficulty were to increase with close to 20% B sell should cost BSELL=BDD-BMINE  0.13311598-0.04303= 0.09008598
bids currently at 0.08426020 asks at 0.09299789 so if you managed to buy at 0.0843 or something you may do a slight profit and if you bought at higher price 0.0929 you may do a slight loss.

But it all depends on the future difficultyincrease so basically if difficulty were to increase by other % the value of B.MINE would be different. If difficulty will be lower then B.MINEs value be more and if difficulty will be higher B.SELLs value will be more.
B. Mine expected price at
10%  0.08712
30%  0.02763

But the online calculators only give you an estimate as there not enouth adjustments you can make on them.

Assuming difficulty raises 10% every time retarget occurs, it seems like it, is B. MINE worth it? It does seem like PETA is the way  to go, ill look into ASIC miner

Look at the bottom of the page http://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty for passed difficulty increases. 10% is not likely to happen very ofthen the next couple of months if cointerra, KnCminer, and that Chinese new asicmaker will spit out miners in the 1000GH-2000GH-3000GH range.

SO do you think B. Mine is viable? Still? How long do you think it will remain viable?

Hey precrime3, I'm the Issuer for BDD (listed on HavelockInvestments.com) - thy has done a good explanation so far of how BDD works on a basic level. (Thanks thy  :))

The good thing about BDD is that:

• If you think B.MINE is undervalued, you can buy B.MINE, or
• If you think B.MINE is overvalued, you can buy B.SELL

B.SELL is basically a bet that the market price of B.MINE is overvalued at the moment. Also, you can either buy one of the securities on the open market, or buy a B.EXCH and sell the one you don't want.

For instance, if you want to purchase B.SELL at the moment, you can either buy it on the open market (0.09298798 ask currently), or Buy B.EXCH (฿0.13311598 ask currently), for which you will receive 1 B.SELL and 1 B.MINE, and then sell the B.MINE on the open market (0.04050001 bid currently), for a net cost of ~.09261597, less than the current B.SELL ask. I didn't calculate the .4% exchange fee on B.MINE since it's not that much, but do count that in.

Overall, BDD is a pretty complicated (some might say very complicated) derivative product, so I always recommend that everyone read and understand the contract before purchasing any shares.

Feel free to stop by the thread if you have any other questions; though thy is doing a pretty good job here!

In light of the recent mtgox events, you may consider steering clear of any exchange asking to hold your BTC as if they were a bank.  Besides making your funds a target for thieves and regulators, it doesn't support the decentralized nature of Bitcoin.

Consider an alternative like nastyfans.org   ;)

Not bad idea unfortunately. I got screwed out of BTC by Jon Montroll of WeExchange, like it says in the sig. Just took everyone's deposits for almost 2 months and never allowed any withdrawals for yet unexplained reasons.

I like Havelock and I trade on there, but not as much as I used to.  Just be aware of the risks.

We've had this discussion before, don't be so determined to give your btc away.  Bitcointalk.org is a plague-riddled hovel packed to the brim with scammers determined to take/talk/con you out of your money.  You almost certainly won't find anything here that will ROI (especially PETA).  Keep your money.  Don't send it to "securities" exchanges or currency exchanges.  Just keep it. 

You'd be shocked at the volume of scam securities, scam exchanges, scams of every kind that I've seen here in just six months. 

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digimine, mineco, firemine are all crap!  run by the same scammer or set of scammers.  don't be fooled!

Easily a good 85-90% of the stuff listed on crypto::stocks appears to be complete crap at this point.

Thanks for help  ;D