Title: Is it Merit abuse? Post by: Master of Shitcoins on January 26, 2019, 09:21:15 PM I just came over two accounts which are using the same BTC addresses to apply for bounty campaigns and I have posted my research in known alts: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg49437820#msg49437820
Accounts: sham100899 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1984223), hisori (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1899207), fakegurutu (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1494695) I digged a bit deeper and found a circle of sending Merits between them, involved another account, fakegurutu: hisori received his Merit from fakegurutu, who sent also 3 Merit to sham100899 and received 5 Merit from sham100899. BPIP fakegurutu https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=fakegurutu BPIP sham100899 https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=sham100899 BPIP hisori https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=hisori Merit history of fakegurutu: https://i.imgur.com/wH8ltE2.jpg fakegurutu and sham100899 both applied to join BitBlender signature campaign (only 5 minutes difference between posts): sham100899: http://archive.is/PiQH6#selection-3915.0-3915.10 fakegurutu: http://archive.is/PiQH6#selection-5285.0-5285.10 It looks like these accounts are trading the Merit and are most likely alts. Title: Re: Is it Merit abuse? Post by: shasan on January 26, 2019, 09:28:29 PM I don't think your proof is sufficient. Only giving merit each other can't proof merit abuse or merit trader. I think you should obtain more info if possible.
Title: Re: Is it Merit abuse? Post by: Master of Shitcoins on January 26, 2019, 09:36:00 PM I don't think your proof is sufficient. Only giving merit each other can't proof merit abuse or merit trader. I think you should obtain more info if possible. If they are alts they will be tagged for sending merits to alts. I can't prove yet, that fakegurutu is an alt, but it's very fishy. At least hisori and sham100899 are alts because they used same BTC address. Let's wait how DT decides if fakegurutu is another alt of hisori/sham100899. Title: Re: Is it Merit abuse? Post by: shasan on January 26, 2019, 09:41:17 PM I don't think your proof is sufficient. Only giving merit each other can't proof merit abuse or merit trader. I think you should obtain more info if possible. If they are alts they will be tagged for sending merits to alts. I can't prove yet, that fakegurutu is an alt, but it's very fishy. At least hisori and sham100899 are alts because they used same BTC address. Let's wait how DT decides if fakegurutu is another alt of hisori/sham100899. Both are from Pilipinas. Archive: sham100899 (https://archive.fo/fjQ3f#selection-465.1-505.213) and fakegurutu (https://archive.fo/EEsof#selection-447.1-498.0) Also, both person uses all small letters. Which you can see from the above archive. Edit: fakegurutu sent 3 merit to sham100899 at 6/6/2018 4:29:58 AM and sham100899 sent 2 merit to fakegurutu 6/6/2018 4:36:41 AM That means merit exchanged only within 7 merits. Both are using the same platform of bitcoin wallet. sham100899 (https://archive.fo/jBdqy#selection-57.1-67.31) and fakegurutu (https://archive.fo/xLgIh#selection-57.1-67.31) Title: Re: Is it Merit abuse? Post by: coinlocket$ on January 26, 2019, 10:40:12 PM I've tried to look at their post history (for the 2 jr members) The only relevant thing found is this one
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/30a2751bd2aa9ff5979dbb75385562e22bc96d407ea592fee87454b260ca6a25 Their addresses are on this transaction but Is not clear what it is. Also, they applied to the same campaign sham100899 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5100568.msg49358622#msg49358622 3PJdNRCtsd2jfY82JunoCz5vYC8nLj2dtv http://archive.fo/PdcKX#selection-3867.29-3867.63 fakegurutu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5100568.msg49358661#msg49358661 3ERcX6VK2DdvNppxWNFYTyoUWum75sqMQc http://archive.fo/PiQH6#selection-5391.29-5391.63 Title: Re: Is it Merit abuse? Post by: Master of Shitcoins on January 26, 2019, 11:29:34 PM Edit: fakegurutu sent 3 merit to sham100899 at 6/6/2018 4:29:58 AM and sham100899 sent 2 merit to fakegurutu 6/6/2018 4:36:41 AM That means merit exchanged only within 7 merits. Both are using the same platform of bitcoin wallet. sham100899 (https://archive.fo/jBdqy#selection-57.1-67.31) and fakegurutu (https://archive.fo/xLgIh#selection-57.1-67.31) Also, they applied to the same campaign sham100899 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5100568.msg49358622#msg49358622 3PJdNRCtsd2jfY82JunoCz5vYC8nLj2dtv http://archive.fo/PdcKX#selection-3867.29-3867.63 fakegurutu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5100568.msg49358661#msg49358661 3ERcX6VK2DdvNppxWNFYTyoUWum75sqMQc http://archive.fo/PiQH6#selection-5391.29-5391.63 The application for the BitBlender campaign was only 5 minutes difference between both accounts. EDIT: another coincidence (maybe one too many) Both accounts edited their messages 30 minutes later: originally posted: sham100899: January 22, 2019, 03:01:52 AM fakegurutu: January 22, 2019, 03:06:36 AM less than 5 minutes difference last edited: sham100899: January 22, 2019, 03:34:39 AM fakegurutu: January 22, 2019, 03:33:45 AM less than 1 minute difference Title: Re: Is it Merit abuse? Post by: VINSIN on January 27, 2019, 02:14:34 AM They might be friends, but I don't think it's merit abuse, checked their posts with google translate..i don't think there is some abuse
Title: Re: Is it Merit abuse? Post by: Avirunes on January 27, 2019, 04:18:54 PM They might be friends, but I don't think it's merit abuse, checked their posts with google translate..i don't think there is some abuse No, but there is a slight chance there is some abuse going over here. Just found out this report and searching for some regular transactions between these 3 accounts: Username: fakegurutu (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1494695) ETH ADDRESS: 0xac454c2e083706f7b85fd5f4ea0748c24c5f8369 | Staked Here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4898414.msg44110377#msg44110377) | http://archive.is/vdmRO 0x5912b6fdc8ac4015d11456aac786db92fcdfb800 | Staked Here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2667644.msg27633771#msg27633771) | http://archive.is/d3OlD Username: kaya11 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1154250) ETH Address: 0xa79d58b3e4566e57526e40d0844290580b325872 | Staked here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4708876.msg42860046#msg42860046) | http://archive.is/PkE9l Connection: Code: https://ethplorer.io/tx/0x26d76f32db5e8cdb208c6ecd9ebb55a37d9b2cfb024c24cfcb653b59420bdc9c Username: hisori (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1899207) ETH Address: 0x80A8D0DDF75231A04F60B8CbA67802d0815BEF66 | Staked here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3255283.msg34344482#msg34344482) | http://archive.is/ARSNg Connection: Code: https://ethplorer.io/tx/0x418e80cd4239022092d62498f9db8daf2e6a8aec36a1d0233ef038f801ff3b7f Archived: http://archive.is/1kxhd Title: Re: Is it Merit abuse? Post by: VINSIN on January 27, 2019, 04:21:27 PM As I said before they might be friends, locals have a lot of common trade groups on telegram
Title: Re: Is it Merit abuse? Post by: coinlocket$ on January 27, 2019, 04:41:43 PM As I said before they might be friends, locals have a lot of common trade groups on telegram Can be but it's hard to be since they posts and EDIT posts basically at the same time. While 2 or more post can be posted in a short distance of time, I find harder to edit 2 posts on the same thread in a few minutes. Title: Re: Is it Merit abuse? Post by: VINSIN on January 27, 2019, 04:44:49 PM As I said before they might be friends, locals have a lot of common trade groups on telegram Can be but it's hard to be since they posts and EDIT posts basically at the same time. While 2 or more post can be posted in a short distance of time, I find harder to edit 2 posts on the same thread in a few minutes. Yeah that's true, but seeing how they act I don't think they are alts. They are friends or members of the same community. And now seriously..if they were smart enough they could've used different addresses, i still find amazing how some people are using the same addresses. Most of the reported cases I don't find them as being the same person, I just see them as being stupid as fuck. Title: Re: Is it Merit abuse? Post by: shasan on January 27, 2019, 04:47:11 PM They are friends or members of the same community. I agree with it only about 25% rest 75% they are alter. Experienced merit abuser detector will be able to judge properly what that actually should be.Title: Re: Is it Merit abuse? Post by: Avirunes on January 27, 2019, 05:13:11 PM How do you guys view them if they are dealing frequent transactions amongst themselves? Need your opinion actually.
Right now I have fakegurtu dealing frequently with kaya11's old address and some token transactions with hisori. Title: Re: Is it Merit abuse? Post by: Master of Shitcoins on January 27, 2019, 05:38:00 PM Yeah that's true, but seeing how they act I don't think they are alts. They are friends or members of the same community. At least hisori and sham100899 are alts, they are using the same BTC address 3PJdNRCtsd2jfY82JunoCz5vYC8nLj2dtv several times: hisori: http://archive.is/CQJck sham100899: http://archive.is/KTidw Therefore, I have only tagged hisori and sham100899 yet, not sure about the connection of fakegurutu. It's a clear circle of sending Merit between them and it wouldn't surprise me if they get tagged. And the report from CaptainLance is also pointing out a connection between those accounts. How do you guys view them if they are dealing frequent transactions amongst themselves? Need your opinion actually. A few transactions (1 or 2) are in my opinion not enough evidence to connect accounts, but when more coincidences appear, the evidence will become clearer. Coinlocket$ does analysis of ETH transactions maybe he can give his opinion about abuse. Right now I have fakegurtu dealing frequently with kaya11's old address and some token transactions with hisori. Title: Re: Is it Merit abuse? Post by: Avirunes on January 27, 2019, 06:04:35 PM How do you guys view them if they are dealing frequent transactions amongst themselves? Need your opinion actually. A few transactions (1 or 2) are in my opinion not enough evidence to connect accounts, but when more coincidences appear, the evidence will become clearer. Coinlocket$ does analysis of ETH transactions maybe he can give his opinion about abuse. Right now I have fakegurtu dealing frequently with kaya11's old address and some token transactions with hisori. Well apparently there are more than 1-2 count so it really seems to me that they are most likely alts now. Yeah coinlocket$ opinion would be of some help in this matter. Title: Re: Is it Merit abuse? Post by: coinlocket$ on January 27, 2019, 06:15:32 PM hisori: http://archive.is/CQJck sham100899: http://archive.is/KTidw Solid prof, tagged. Let's see if we can find more on this farm. I've looked yesterday on sham100899 and fakegurutu ETH, I found nothing suspicious at first view between them, let me check again. Title: Re: Is it Merit abuse? Post by: Avirunes on January 27, 2019, 06:56:01 PM I've looked yesterday on sham100899 and fakegurutu ETH, I found nothing suspicious at first view, let me check again. Here are some to look at Fakegurutu: 0xac454c2e083706f7b85fd5f4ea0748c24c5f8369 kaya11: 0xE8A675bc39dB29345FEb7B27d502b2EEa324395c Transactions Last page: https://etherscan.io/txs?a=0xa79d58b3e4566e57526e40d0844290580b325872&p=3 has 15 transactions including outgoing and incoming transactions between 0xac454c2e083706f7b85fd5f4ea0748c24c5f8369 and 0xE8A675bc39dB29345FEb7B27d502b2EEa324395c And 0xE8A675bc39dB29345FEb7B27d502b2EEa324395c was used by kaya11 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1154250) here : http://archive.is/i7GGS Fakegurutu: 0x5912b6fdc8ac4015d11456aac786db92fcdfb800 hisori: 0x80A8D0DDF75231A04F60B8CbA67802d0815BEF66 Transactions: I found out 18 token transfers b/w these addresses. Page: https://etherscan.io/tokentxns?a=0x80a8d0ddf75231a04f60b8cba67802d0815bef66&p=1 And 1 normal eth transaction of 0.002 ETH (probably a transaction to move tokens to other addresses or exchange- activity that I have usually seen in bounty abusers) Title: Re: Is it Merit abuse? Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on January 27, 2019, 07:45:48 PM Well apparently there are more than 1-2 count so it really seems to me that they are most likely alts now. Just playing devil's advocate here, but if you looked at how many times I've sent bitcoin to one of gameristo's wallets you might suspect we're alt accounts--but we're not. I wouldn't discount the possibility that a lot of deals are being done off-forum, and I've been tricked by that before when tagging bounty abusers. On the other hand, when you've got merit-swapping happening on top of the money being sent, that might be more conclusive as to whether two (or more) accounts are alts--but even then, they could be friends or family and not a single individual.I don't think it's right to give merit to someone just because they're your friend or family member, but I wouldn't tag a person for doing that. If you've got someone in a bounty/campaign who's doing it and you're the manager, you might think twice about letting those accounts participate. We've all seen cases of bounty abuse and we know it happens. What you do depends on how much you're willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. Title: Re: Is it Merit abuse? Post by: coinlocket$ on January 27, 2019, 08:21:49 PM ~ Yes, but as you wrote we haven't found transactions between Fakegurutu and sham100899, If we consider others accounts the story is different. Sadly I'm really busy these weeks and I haven't a lot of time. Title: Re: Is it Merit abuse? Post by: Master of Shitcoins on January 28, 2019, 12:15:05 AM What you do depends on how much you're willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I agree, until we haven't a real proof it's not justified to give a tag and I didn't tagged fakegurutu yet. When the Merit system was introduced most people just tried how to use it and didn't know that they can run into problems. Another thing are their posts back-to-back in the same signature campaign and editing them both 30 minutes later. Sadly I'm really busy these weeks and I haven't a lot of time. No problem, thanks everyone to look into it so far. Title: Re: Is it Merit abuse? Post by: Avirunes on January 28, 2019, 03:19:41 AM Well apparently there are more than 1-2 count so it really seems to me that they are most likely alts now. Just playing devil's advocate here, but if you looked at how many times I've sent bitcoin to one of gameristo's wallets you might suspect we're alt accounts--but we're not. I wouldn't discount the possibility that a lot of deals are being done off-forum, and I've been tricked by that before when tagging bounty abusers. On the other hand, when you've got merit-swapping happening on top of the money being sent, that might be more conclusive as to whether two (or more) accounts are alts--but even then, they could be friends or family and not a single individual.I don't think it's right to give merit to someone just because they're your friend or family member, but I wouldn't tag a person for doing that. If you've got someone in a bounty/campaign who's doing it and you're the manager, you might think twice about letting those accounts participate. We've all seen cases of bounty abuse and we know it happens. What you do depends on how much you're willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. True. I was kinda swinging between whether I should tag these. But what you said is fair point and I wouldn't tag unless there is a solid proof. Thanks for the opinion. ~ Yes, but as you wrote we haven't found transactions between Fakegurutu and sham100899, If we consider others accounts the story is different. Sadly I'm really busy these weeks and I haven't a lot of time. Aren't sham100899 and hisori connected? Would like to know how story will be different. Anyway I am back to digging :D Found ya!!!! What about this: #Proof of authentication Joined: Twitter, Telegram Bitcointalk Username: fakegurutu Twitter link: https://twitter.com/MeilTweet Telegram Username: @fakegurutu Eth address: 0x80A8D0DDF75231A04F60B8CbA67802d0815BEF66 Archived: http://archive.fo/NpLk7 I guess this is a solid proof isn't it as same eth address was used by hisori as according to CaptainLance report quoted by me in the first page of this thread Edit: Second instance where is found using the same wallet again Proof of joined post Bitcointalk username: fakegurutu Campaign in which you participate: Joined Twitter Campaign Twitter URL: https://twitter.com/MeilTweet Joined Facebook Campaign Facebook URL: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010329941674 Telegram Username: @fakegurutu ETH address: 0x80A8D0DDF75231A04F60B8CbA67802d0815BEF66 Archived: http://archive.is/Dw4qH Title: Re: Is it Merit abuse? Post by: Master of Shitcoins on January 28, 2019, 06:48:23 AM Nice catch, do we know where hisori posted this ETH address and can we archive the post?
I'm away right now but I can look into it later. Title: Re: Is it Merit abuse? Post by: Avirunes on January 28, 2019, 02:19:08 PM Nice catch, do we know where hisori posted this ETH address and can we archive the post? I'm away right now but I can look into it later. Sorry that I forgot to quote CaptainLance's report again above. There you go: Username: fakegurutu (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1494695) ETH ADDRESS: 0xac454c2e083706f7b85fd5f4ea0748c24c5f8369 | Staked Here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4898414.msg44110377#msg44110377) | http://archive.is/vdmRO 0x5912b6fdc8ac4015d11456aac786db92fcdfb800 | Staked Here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2667644.msg27633771#msg27633771) | http://archive.is/d3OlD Username: kaya11 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1154250) ETH Address: 0xa79d58b3e4566e57526e40d0844290580b325872 | Staked here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4708876.msg42860046#msg42860046) | http://archive.is/PkE9l Connection: Code: https://ethplorer.io/tx/0x26d76f32db5e8cdb208c6ecd9ebb55a37d9b2cfb024c24cfcb653b59420bdc9c Username: hisori (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1899207) ETH Address: 0x80A8D0DDF75231A04F60B8CbA67802d0815BEF66 | Staked here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3255283.msg34344482#msg34344482) | http://archive.is/ARSNg Connection: Code: https://ethplorer.io/tx/0x418e80cd4239022092d62498f9db8daf2e6a8aec36a1d0233ef038f801ff3b7f I am still looking for solid connection between kaya11 and this ring. Title: Re: Is it Merit abuse? Post by: fakegurutu on January 31, 2019, 07:37:50 AM so this is how the justice works here, if i want to have a negative red trust to someone that i dont like or envy or whatever, i may just copy their eth address and boom, red trust immediately.
Title: Re: Is it Merit abuse? Post by: Avirunes on January 31, 2019, 02:54:15 PM so this is how the justice works here, if i want to have a negative red trust to someone that i dont like or envy or whatever, i may just copy their eth address and boom, red trust immediately. Interesting. Then I guess you happen to mistakenly send merit to Fool someone else. Its clear to me and I am obviously not gonna bend my feedback over your rants/cries/or begging for mercy that I am expecting in the PM's by your other alts. Title: Re: Is it Merit abuse? Post by: suchmoon on January 31, 2019, 03:36:36 PM so this is how the justice works here, if i want to have a negative red trust to someone that i dont like or envy or whatever, i may just copy their eth address and boom, red trust immediately. hisori posted the address in April, you posted it in August, so are you saying that you're trying to frame hisori? Title: Re: Is it Merit abuse? Post by: Master of Shitcoins on January 31, 2019, 09:47:01 PM so this is how the justice works here, if i want to have a negative red trust to someone that i dont like or envy or whatever, i may just copy their eth address and boom, red trust immediately. I can imagine it's very hard for you to lose your bounty rewards because you are using the wallet of another person. ;)Or you received double rewards because someone else used your wallet? ;D You are lucky that you only received 1 tag from DT. Title: Re: Is it Merit abuse? Post by: kruglikov on February 11, 2019, 12:36:12 PM As I understand sending any amount of merits to any account is not a problem any more? Nobody will be tagged for that?
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