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most people that are dealing with information miss the understanding of the concept of mental and spiritual realms,

like its the ongoing opposition against islam and muslims.

a human being that fears a punishment of in hell if he steals, doesnt need a continously running police state over his head to reinforce his honesty.

many westerners misunderstand the concept and idea behind the abrahamic religions, also judaism or islam.

in my oppinion islam is especially good as a mental realm, because its very foundated.

good human beings dont come from a surveilance state above their head that is massively expensive. but from good old fashioned religions, that limit their negative behavior possibilities.

in this regard.

dont underestimate the value of mental and spiritual realms like islam, christianity and their concept with heaven and hell.

they create a good society if they work properly

a worldly empire is pointless without a spiritual empire.

regards

Human beings don't require the fear of hell to act decently (though maybe some do).
You are right we don't need a police state to reinforce honesty.


Many westerners are Christians which is also an Abrahamic religion.

It's good that you are finding understanding, though I tend to believe that the spiritual belongs to the realm outside of the understanding of the mind...maybe we sense its edges but are unlikely to completely know it until we are out of this [ materiel] existence.
Until then...
Peace be with you

I don't agree with this totally. For me it doesnt apply to all religions. For example, most of the chaotic countries right now are muslim countries, most though not all wars that are happening right now are started by muslims. This religion has a belief in itself that creates problem in the society like anyone who is not of the same faith as theirs must die. It only means that anyone who is not a muslim is their enemy and they must die. So which society will it create if this religion will work properly? Will be a grand slaughter of non-muslim individuals. :(

The fundamental reason for both Islam and Christianity is salvation to Heaven... life after death. Yet they are different in the way that they go about it. Which one is right... if either?

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Shit..
I thought I was clicking on a thread about psychedelics and I get an islam shill thread..

I disagree that sharia creates a good society..

well there is a huge difference betweeen fear of hell to keep order and fear of the legislation and punishment by the state, the later is more burocratic wasteful and has higher costs.

secondly when the financial system of a state collapses there is nothing left and it will emerge a direct anarchy while spiritual realms dont care a state collapse and continue to exist

We don't know enough about spiritual, mental or worldly realms to know what we are doing. We only live 100 years if that. The earth is ages older. And we can't seem to stop our aging.

The best is to follow what the religious books say. And the best of that is to calculate which religious book(s) is(are) best. The nation of Israel has existed for, like, 3,500 years, and it is still here. So, why would there not be strength in their writings... the Torah, the Tankh, the Talmud, the Bible?

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In the modern world, killing people in the name of God is bound to create suspicion and fear in people outside that particular religion. Islam has to move on from medieval ideas and adapt to modern realities, then people wouldn't "misunderstand" them so much. I'm not so sure about other religions, but Christians had their crusades and tried suppressing heresy and paganism, but they don't these days and have adapted, its about time Islam reforms.  

i think the average westerners bad understanding of the concept of "spiritual realms" is a big issue, i dont think muslims are mad, they simply run a different concept of realm than westerns do.

and there are advantages and disadvantages for both.

i dont understand the spiritual realm well, but there is more to it than just religion i think.

regards

I strongly disagree. Religions are organizations created by human beings in the name of God and imposed on others. Most people are born into them or are affiliated by state. On the other hand spirituality is a personal decision and is defined by the individual's God. There is a big difference, spirituality has nothing to do with a persons religion, its an individual thing. Considering westerners are less religious, i'd argue they are more inclined to understand spiritual realms better.

No offense, KingScorpio, but I think it's you who is misunderstanding a couple of things here.

If you need to "reinforce" someone's "honesty", you're not dealing with an honest person - whether you do it by having big brother look over their shoulder, or by spreading tales about an all-seeing old pervert in the sky watching them masturbate at night and judging them for it, it makes no difference.

You shouldn't do / avoid doing things because you're afraid of the repercussions, but rather because you believe it's the right thing to do - your mileage may vary here but, for me, I'd say that would be what will create the society I want to live in, and leave behind for my kids to live in (and that might even be something that goes against the dictates of the state / religion of choice).



It's a bit concerning to me that you seem to believe that without some "higher power" enforcing compliance, we'd all start behaving like dumb animals. Would you? Let's say tomorrow you simultaneously find out that god doesn't actually exist and that the police is too incompetent to actually do their job; would you go out on a rampage robbing and killing everyone you see? I'm guessing the answer is no.

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Nah... let's go worship Indra instead. :P

Show us better spiritual truth and strength in something other than the Bible, and we will follow it.

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nope i am first time of my life am starting to understand the concept of religions and the spiritual realms they seeked.

take the cryptocurrencies and the threatening collapse of US and western institutions, a society that is unified by a spiritual realm (religion) survives morally also the collapse of those legislation threat of punishments.

so a spiritual realm has its avantage in durability.

Good! Spirit is where the solidity lies.

The standard picture of the atom is something like a solar system. There is a nucleus that corresponds to the sun, and the electrons have orbits around the nucleus like planets around the sun.

They say that if you enlarged a hydrogen atom - one proton nucleus with one electron going around it - so that the proton was the size of a pinpoint, the electron would be revolving around it, say, a hundred feet away. In between? Empty space.

The empty space is spirit. The material is almost nothing. The only reason material seems to be substantial is, we are using material to view material... photons of light have wave patterns as well as being material particles.

There is substance in the thing that we call empty space. But it is way different than the flimsy substance of the stuff we call material.

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jes i also find this point

Thank me for saving your soul after its saved if you know.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAxzlCRmrBg&t=21s&fbclid=IwAR1TChtURH08RROF2ZvpAFu-__07QwZEH71urbmwRZBuwzCCLrHz1jSuofE

^^^ Did you ever notice that Hitler was so weak that he only spoke in German?

About a minute into the video, Hitler salutes (the Nazi way) twice. The first one is standard. The second one is kinda a back-salute, 'cause his arm is getting tired.

Is that your salvation?

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EDIT: Notice the Nazi flag about 5 minutes into the video. Are Nazi flags always half-mast?

what are you talking about?

i have nothing to do with hitler, except that i live in germany.

national socialism is unfortunately the most reasonably followed outcome of survivalist heuristics done by atheists, followed by communism. capitalists are being considered of course a threat. but who can blame them, just look at the ongoing cryptoscam.

Well, nobody can move around in a void. If they didn't have the security of believing that the future holds something beneficial for them, they would self destruct. Since they don't believe in the goodness of God, they believe in their own righteousness... even though they are faulty in this.

You and I sit here and chat.  Sometimes they chat, too. But they are out working to destroy... behind the scenes. Why? Because it seems the right thing to do to secure their future; nobody knows the future.

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atheism is not necessarily stupidity or destructiveness, its simply a lifestyle in a certain perceived reality, even a religious person can be left by his "god", currently is thinking he can rely on.

The ethics of both Christian and Islam is for all of us to live peacefully with one another through obeying some principle and laws.  If we obey those laws we would be able to live in peace in our society. 

Wonderful sentiment.

If it is said by a Christian, he has the whole New Testament to back it up. Anybody can make a mistake and be violent... even Christians who don't know their own N.T., or people who only say they are Christians, but are not.

If it is said by an outsider who is neither Christian or Muslim... you better check out where he is coming from. For example, an atheist might say that a woman's body is her own. So she can abort her baby righteously. But they forget about the life of the baby.

If it is said by a Muslim, it's scary. Why? Because of all the violence dictated for Muslims to do by the Koran and the Hadiths - http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm. You never know when a Muslim is going to start following the violence, no matter how sweetly he talks to you.

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You are talking about an atheist who follows the religious values of religious people around him, usually 'cause he was born into a religious nation.

Atheism is destructive because the atheist doesn't have any moral code that he is required to follow, except if he wants to. And who knows the larceny in his heart?

Atheism is stupid because everybody dies, usually within 100 years. Then comes eternal joy and happines for the people who follow God, and eternal destruction for the atheist. Stupid atheist.

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In reality human beings are generally evil regardless of whether we believe a higher being is watching us or not. And most of our actions are based on gratifying our short term needs as opposed to their consequences in the long term.