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Hello,

I was bored and cooked up a simple project called Hodl or Not. https://hodlornot.tlustoprd.net/ (https://hodlornot.tlustoprd.net/)

It's a simple website that will help you obtain massive crypto wealth and a nice fleet of lambos, telling you when to hodl and when to sell. You just type in your coin of interest and see if it's time to get rid of it or hodl it like there's no tomorrow.

It's nothing fancy and I'm just trying out various things here (mostly whether the hosting plan can withstand potential traffic).


Cheers.

What's the basic idea to decide hodl or not? Too easy to say..imo

such a crap website, if you would have faked it in a way that it only supports your current portfolio i would have at least respect for you as a scamy influencer

That's a nice service. I entered a couple of currency shorts. I am wondering on which parameters the decision is based. The whole procedure is very non-transparent. You should disclose the used data and the algorithm that leads to the decision.

kryptogunner: As the about section hints, it's a very complex algorithm running on the backend of a supercomputer somewhere deep in Antarctica (needs a lot of cooling). Even I don't understand that algorithm. It's practically a sophisticated AI that's trying to conquer the world, I think.

KingScorpio: I'm very saddened that my crap website offends you so much and got you all uptight. Of course, you can try ignoring it if it influences you in such a bad way. Have you lost any cryptos because of it? :)

tyz: Thanks. It's actually a very stupid algorithm. I wouldn't really rely on just that one to make investment decisions... maybe just to make an educated guess. It's just looking at recent price changes.

no i am just saying you are a bad enterpreneur, whats the point of your random parameter (created out of limited information) based decision generating website?

what comes out of it, will always be questionable,

the only way i could have respect for that kind of work, is if you would have used, it in order to shill your personal portfolio,

respect like to an ordinary trying influencer scammer/enterpreneur

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KingScorpio: Is everyone in your world an entrepreneur? And a bad one, except for you? I suppose that this is new to you, but I don't aim to influence or make a profit from that website. I'm not even an entrepreneur. I think you're just projecting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection)) here. :) What makes you think it's random? Did you just type in your favourite cryptocurrency and it told you it's a shitcoin? :)

nope, this has nothing to do with me, enterpreneurism; its all about your methology. your hopeless attempt to give investmentadvice based on some "parameters" you have coded manually inside this website.

problem of your methology is:

1. the parameters are based on limited information, in an extremly complex world
2. the max success you can achieve with a site like this is earning money by chilling,

you could demand money from cryptocurrency issuers. if they want to be good mentioned on this website.

because truthfully you cant really achieve a good and secure investment advise with a method like this

there is a website called "do you own a shitcoin" created by the bitcoinmaximalists.

its same trash, with parameters, but for that trash i at least have respect because it has a use (chilling bitcoin and pushing bitcoinmaximalist agenda) for at least someone.

I tried your website service and this is a result I got ( Looks like this coin doesn't exist, so hurry up, create an ICO, convince an army of gullible people to invest in it and then buy a Lambo from the profits!) I wondering how's this service get the info about any coin/token? btw the coin I was entered  is exist a two years ago and still operating till now. a token has its own platform and its ranked on cmc 50,this is result of your service (I looked under the bed for it, but couldn't find it.)!

take this one its a different one, with different parameters,

believe what you want to believe

http://doiownashitcoin.com/blog/

jooj2: Thanks for the info. I'm actually pulling the data from CoinMarketCap API. Can the coin you're checking actually be a token based off a cryptocurrency rather than a coin?

KingScorpio: I take it English isn't your primary language, because you can't really read :) Either that or you're trying to troll. Can't tell. I guess the world will never know. In simple words for you: It's a fun project created in a day or two, not a serious entrepreneur tool. I don't aim to charge anyone for anything there. But I'm repeating myself. But it probably doesn't matter because you won't be able to read that far and say it's bad entrepreneurship again. :)

fun project?

i thought you were serious and i took you serious and tried to help you

When I saw the OP site , I actually thought that OP either copied from them or inspired from them. I remember few months back it do not have blog structure, chart s that we are seeing today.
@OP, do not be demotivated by the criticism, actually something better already exists before you. You just need to check if your ideas are already implemented.

Anyways, I will not ask your logic, how you decide hodl or nobodl, because I am fixed with my preferences.

 r1s2g3: I'm not demotivated by criticism. Constructive one is perfectly okay with me. It's where expectations meet reality. For example, I didn't expect so many people to take the app that seriously. Anyway, I made a few updates reflecting the things mentioned here.

Funny thing is, I am aware of Do I Own a Shitcoin. I had that little idea of mine even before that web materialized, but I got round to deploying it only recently. Even though the concept looks similar, I think it's rather different from what I gather (if I remember correctly, Do I Own a Shitcoin is based on human analysis).

Besides, my objective with Hodl or Not isn't to provide an app that would aspire to become the touchstone of cryptocurrency trader's toolset. I wanted a very simple yet relatively relevant app to test out a few things regarding bandwidth, traffic and similar stuff.

wow you gave this guy a lot of flak, haha
it is not monetized in any way or neither it is a tool to "influence the market " as you put it
its a fun website and yeah, do not take it too seriously
like Freud used to say, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar :)

well i wouldn't have minded if he would have created it to "influence the market"

or even scamingly manipulate it towards his favour, like the bitcoincultist's "do i own a shitcoin"

i said i would have at least respected that, but his tool wasn't even that.

I've done some tests and the results are ... strange. I am not certain if it's random or based on some algo.
I've got mostly unexpected results. However, I had a good laugh too.


Edit: Now I'm certain it's random. At least you could try to not call Bitcoin a shitcoin. Else some could take you too serious...

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/14/blobf87f5fd3cb4331a3.png

i checked it, now again, it is more something funny,

i thought this was an attempt for investment advise or "pseudoexpertistic shilling"

NeuroticFish: It's not as random as it seems. There's a new section explaining the basics of the algorithm (not that the algorithm itself can be more basic than it already is) - https://hodlornot.tlustoprd.net/algorithm
But I agree I should probably make an exception for coins like Bitcoin.

They will never disclose the data and the algorithm they used to make the predictions because it their secret but you might be luck if you send the OP pm. I would like to know the outcome of the result if the result were right cause what i see saw just a respond message. However, I believe bot trading is still fine cause will always bring ones profit if maintain very well.

posi: As stated above, the algorithm is explained here: https://hodlornot.tlustoprd.net/algorithm
Again, it's nothing fancy. I have some ideas about a more complex stuff. Maybe a price predictor based on neural networks - but my experience with that one is that it's still rather unreliable. Question is whether anybody would welcome or use that thing, though.

quite interesting what is presented by the web. https://hodlornot.tlustoprd.net/
but I try it looks like only coins that are already on the market. but does not include coins running ico or ico that are finished. if you can add there are benefits too. although it should not be a reference but this is obviously very helpful for those who are confused about what to do, but keep in mind that the decision remains on you who will act. at least I appreciate this and thank you for this good information

I also have a good laugh when I check the algo in (https://hodlornot.tlustoprd.net/algorithm)

"Warning. This is probably the only serious page on this web."

And then I enter a coin and it says "Hodlhodlhodlhodlhodl", and it's not Bitcoin, I wouldn't tell which coin is it though, sorry guys  ;D

The conversation got my interest of trying out the site. Everytime I typed in bitcoin, btc, it says "HODL", "have you considered hodling?" I remember of the same website before that gives a random thought about the coin that you'll ever going to type on that search box. But why for Dogecoin?  :'(
https://i.imgur.com/En7eQ3P.png

lepbagong: I get the input data from CryptoMarketCap. There was a time when I wasn't loading tokens, but I fixed that. Not sure if CMC has data on ongoing/recently finished ICOs though. Could you tell me which one you tried? Good to know, though, since some of the messages might be a bit misleading :)

bhadz: I took some of the suggestions to heart and changed the behaviour for a few chosen coins (BTC, ETH...). I mean, we should all hodl BTC even if it's price should crash hard, right? :) I didn't consider DOGE for that, though, but then, I didn't consider TRON or IOTA either. Maybe I would, if the authors/devs paid me a hefty sum, though ;D

The idea you gave is pretty good, I think for the time being we have to hold back a lot, especially in selling coins, everyone knows that the market is down. everyone will get wealth if they save coins in a safe place, because I am still convinced that bitcoin will rise like 2 years ago.

itulaj1: I agree. I believe bitcoin will rise too. The ultimate plan is to hoard enough of it until that happens. :)

Might be funnier if you made it completely random. Seems pretty biased.

antonleviathan: Thanks for the feedback. Why do you think it is biased?

Judging from the previous discussion here, I feel that most folks expressed the opinion that making it random wouldn't make them happy. :)

Ahem...*cough*  *cough*

I am the co-founder of doiownashitcoin.com. We have a substantial following and pretty much created this idea first. We have a large following and blog with over 100 pieces. Updates coming soon.

Well, maybe he think that some parts of the quote/answer were repetitive and that's what I have noticed too though I'm having fun switching from a different type of coins. And I couldn't think anymore to add up that since it was designed for fun. :D

The concept adds a twist to regular trading advise sites, if there was a large website such as this, it could influence the price of a currency greatly, and automatically any option it chooses would be right.
If it says, definitely don't hodl for a particular coin, it would cause panic sell and drop the price making it a correct advise.
As it is completed based on the TA and tools used by the creator am eager to see how it works.

This is a nice project just to have fun, but not a wise way to make investment decisions, if we will flip a coin every time we ask ourselves if hold or not, then don't feel bad after realize that you take the wrong decision.

You're about the project mentioned by the OP not to be fancy but it will be better if you put your ideas to work rather judging what the result will be when you haven't give it try and what you think will yield a worse result when implemented could the thing which will add more value to the crypto community. However, you said something about the predictor to be based on neural network or do you mean neutral network?

Interesting! It is adviced to hodl NEM

CryptyMike: Hello, Mr Co-founder of doiownashitcoin.com. Thanks for dropping by. I believe it was discussed here earlier. Sorry you're not happy. Your project was (before it changed) based on different stuff, though. And I don't plan a blog and research stuff. My thing is purely just computers crunching some data. Besides, I'm positive somebody else had the same general idea before and already tried that way before either your stuff or mine. I mean, create a simple input where you write down your coin and you get an opinion based on something. It's nothing too groundbreaking, is it? I didn't envision the app with creativity or originality in mind. In fact, I created the app for completely different reasons, some of which are stated in the beginning. :)

Oceat: Well, yeah, I imagine they can get repetitive. There 3 groups of about 10 messages each and they get picked randomly based on which group the coin falls into.

Kopyleft: Would be fun if the app actually influenced people enough to cause panic, I have to admit. But based on the traffic I'm getting, it's not going to happen anytime soon. :)

posi: Definitely neural network, not neutral network. I don't plan being neutral. I mean, I don't plan being anything - I let the intricate algorithm do the hard work. But I don't think I'll create a cryptocoin price predictor based on neural networks, if that's what you mean, because it doesn't seem to be a very reliable idea.

I'm not particularly upset lol just doing right by my project since we our following has turned us into a bit more than just a site :)

Good luck mate

random check simple

CryptyMike: Thanks. To you as well.