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I have realized most of the bounties here are being managed by New account with copper membership... Is it that they know their projects are scam so they are afraid to get red trust on their old accounts?.
Why do you think they do that

It looks true, but some platforms are still managed by old account. That's why you must do a lot of research before try to join in any bounty that managed by untrusted person. Since the funds are not getting escrowed and it looks very risky.

I don't think this is the case, and I would only choose bounty campaigns that are managed by reputable and proven members, if other members are cautions then they should do the same.

Because if they using account with high level, if got tag, account will be useless, so they using new account because if got tag, it's okay just new account. That's why for me, i will see who the manager, if they hire manager i will learn more, do reseach etc about the project, but if only new account, i will forget it

Maybe they want to save money by only buying copper membership, because if you pay, experienced managers will need big funds. But I personally avoid participating in bounties which are managed not by experienced bounty managers

Sometimes same people manage multiple projects. We  find new projects every hour. Most of the time, the new project turns into ashes. So if we find him in a new project, no one will trust that project. Even he knows that hus valuable btt account will be in danger if someone reports negative impression.

They just want to manage their bounties on their own so that's why they purchase Copper membership which is cheaper than hiring a bounty manager / ANN moderator. Usually with a newbie bounty manager it's more prone to scam but I'm saying that when the manager is a newbie the bounty is a total scam. Some still remains to be legit and following the order of their roadmap by implementing such token distributions and other plans that's on their details.

That is perhaps the reason behind it, or another reason would be the owner of the project wish to limit their expenses by managing the bounty campaign them self. doing so will make them able to use the fund for another development.

There are more possibilities to consider new member with copper membership manage the project is scam. Possible you are right but it is also possible that you are wrong because there are copper members who manage the project with real intentions and with true identities. And also there are more high ranks who managing some of the ICOs currently. Search furthermore....

in fact, I rarely find a gift managed by a new account, but what I found is that some new accounts are project developers themselves because I think the developer is an entrepreneur outside the forum and wants to advertise in this forum so they create a new account to enter this forum.

Most likely a new projects haven't bitcointalk's accounts before, but want to promote their product on the forum, so they just buy copper accounts. Thus they can control bounty campaigns directly by themselves, it much more convenient and reliable.

That is possible. This is also probably because the campaign is managed by an internal manager or because the ICO team probably thought it is much cheaper to hire external managers that are quite new.

If someone is new to the forum but want to post ANN and manage bounties then their option is copper membership which can avoid illegal hiring of higher rank members.

But when someone want to do scam things they can and create new account and buy copper membership for few bucks then they can start their attempt.

Its because some bounty campaign managers don’t have much friends in BTT with high rank to do the task.That’s why mostly of them only prefer making a new account and just pay to acquire a copper rank at least to gain reputation.

Mostly new account its managed by team member.
Today ICO in are not good times, and projects don't want pay to the bounty managers

No, I don't think managers know whether the project is a scam or not. Some new managers are trying to build a reputation for themselves and enter the market. I think it's easier to acquire such an account and advertise. What to answer head. I think managers have already encountered this situation.

Maybe what you say is true, but many of the gifts managed by this new account succeed. They became Bounty managers because they were interested in the costs given. Because managing Bounty is also not easy and risky like getting red trust.

These are projects who wants to run their project on their own as it's easy to make an account in the forum.

Red trust is not really a big issue because it's a newbie account or even if they have a high rank account, they are not
afraid to get red trust if they can scam millions.

Account reputation is not the basis for every investors, it's the totality of the project, so whether they use a new account, they can
still sell if they have members that are reputable enough to gain investors trust.

New bounties are managed by new accounts because those who hold the bounty are the project developers themselves and do not use professional manager bounty services

I think there are 2 reasonable reasons why the bounty manager is managed by a new account. First to cut costs, if you use bounty hunter services, it will definitely have a high cost.
The second reason to introduce ICO products to the forum community. Certainly the username of the new account will use the name of the ICO product. For example the EndChain ICO project is managed by a bounty manager with the name EndChain.

you're right, besides, most of them all are cooper members. well, that's because they have to be trusted, and they create new official accounts, and are similar to the name of their project. besides, I think they control their own bounty project.

New projects look for  easy ways to promote their idea and they found themselves on famous forums for this purpose. Creating new account and buying copper membership are ways to access site without being affected stated rules for newbies and this forum is best among alternatives for spreading news about cryptocurrencies.

EndChain - I do not think that the name will affect success. )  Because who do we as hunters trust? For those who give us good stable projects or unknown new accounts? Should I trust such managers, is another question.
I do not think that for us it is important in general. Name or account does not change anything. Only the project is important. If for advertising purposes choose such a strategy, why not? Especially now it is not expensive.

The project managed by a new account, in my opinion, is still not professional. And then I think it's still difficult to get trust from the bounty hunter. I personally prefer to be managed by senior accounts because they are more professional and experienced.

Well, let's not judge them right away.


Agree. I guess some of them can't afford to hire a reputable bounty manager because they have limited budget.  For me, if I looked for a bounty campaign,  I always look for those campaigns that is managed by a well known bounty manager. It's one of my ways to determine if that bounty campaign is legit or not. If in case a bounty campaign is managed by a copper member, I'll be having a doubt of its legitimacy.  But, if I have a strong feeling that the project has a chance to become successful,  then I'll give him a benefit of the doubt. I'll give it a try.

They don't want to ruin the reputation of their higher rank accounts if they have,they will simply buy copper membership and run their bounty if they made millions they will run with that.

In fact, the forum has a theme for the best manager for the bounties. You can choose the best manager in the ratings and reputation of users and even vote for your best manager. Why so many new bounty managers in the forum? Because many want to try themselves as a manager and it is not forbidden to trust them or not it is your personal business

I've been here for 2 years and I totally see a lot of changes in this forum just like what you want to tell that most of bounty projects now are managed by newbie account. I already participate in a bounty campaign who managed by newbie account but the project was success and I think we can still trust them but you should be wisely in choosing bounty campaign.

I don't think there's any conspiracy. Hardly anyone is planning a scam in advance. More likely, there deal one of the other reasons already listed in this topic. For example, old accounts have many other tasks and burdens that cannot be abandoned for the sake of a new project.

I am not concerned about the copper account management or the old account, which is certain that their performance must be good and active, always providing fair, honest and responsible performance, that is the most important thing.

I just look in simple perspective. so why they must to hire bounty manager if they can handle that bounty program it self ?
some case, they already have bounty portal , so they just made ANN or Bounty thread (Announcement). and it can be made with new account right ? and for the scam project, you can do your own analyze and research before join to them.

Experienced wise, old time bounty managers who gained reputations mostly been trusted by long time bounty hunters while some also consider their
own assessment and review they joined new bounty managers after seeing some potentials coming from the project itself, in the long run it's still
the project that will deliver even it's been handle by old or new managers.

Maybe this is the possibilities

1. they don't want to get Red-trust on their main account if the project that they managed fail or scam,
2. they don't have BTT account with high rank
3. they want to scam us

You need choose 1 or 2 trusted managers and join their bounties why you join that new accounts bounties to be scammed? i personaly dont join bounties like that if its not really great project and i dont have any doubts about project,yep i dont say trusted, cant have scam ico es ,no but anyway with trusted managers you have more chances.

Not so true. It also because of project owner is new here and they want to manage the bounty by themselves. Sometimes it's also true that scam projects comes with fake account so that no one can trace them.

This can lead to different directions because a bounty manager with a new account might be actually new and honest. They usually try to give their best when handling campaigns. The risk there is if the manager turns out to be someone with a previous bad reputation. They might scam hunters of their rewards or cheat them. Its up to hunters to decide if they can actually partake in bounties managed by new members. Old and trusted bounty managers are safer

A lot of projects prefer to run their own bounties and do not like relying on bounty managers and for that, they are usually making new accounts and just pay for copper to be able to post images etc, nothing really shady about this unless the project itself is shady, also a saw some bounty managers make new account and announce it as their own for bounties only to limit the posting on their main account, flag should be raised only if the manager was trying to hide or did not announce their alt account. 

this team usually have no budget to hire profesional bounty manager.usually bounty that managed by own team has small allocation.actually no problem for us who is the bounty manager as long as they could do their job well.such as updating spreadsheet, fast response while there is problem from participants and active when participants ask about bounty distribution.

That makes perfect sense, I agree with you. Maybe the high cost of bounty managers who already have names is the main reason so they prefer to organize their own campaigns to save on expenses. But with that, many bounty hunters feel doubtful because the bounty hunter believes in managers who are more experienced and have names.

Most are like that, but there are also many scam projects after those projects are managed by the famous BM because the campaign manager does not affect the success of the project. And sometimes that project doesn't need a professional bounty manager, and they launch and manage their bounty themselves. That why there are many new accounts that are BM of bounty

Bounty managers could use a new account to avoid getting negative trust if eventually the project is tagged as scam. Most bounty hunters would not know the faith of the project until they exit as scam. Some bounty managers are very assiduous and make intensive research before accepting projects, this will be very necessary to avoid issues with the bounty hunters which may lead to a negative trust.

Not all bounties managed by new accounts are a scam. There are several reasons and maybe the bounty project has its own team to handle the bounty, besides that it can also save costs and no need to pay a bounty manager to handle bounties.

I stay away from these bounties.. market is in very bad contitions so I participate only in campaigns managed by trusted and well known bounty managers.

i think there are various theories for example one of the ico team creates a new account to promote the bounty, or an expert bounty manager has the account locked and creates a new one for the occasion, maybe we only need to do the bounty managed by expert bounty managers with old accounts

maybe you are right there, that's one of a reason why they create a new account for managing bounties because they afraid of red tag on their old account. Before there were many green trust bounty managers, but now many of them got red tag because of scam bounties.

Current all the people is able to contribute forum to get the copper membership and allow to add image in their post, I think most of them won't use their high rank member account because it's risk to get red tag if project become scam, so we need to research the project before investing.

Most of the managers are not sure of the projects with the current market situation which has forced investors to look the other way. It is on record that recent projects are hardly reaching their soft caps. So they are being careful with their account as many bounty hunters will not hesitate to give a negative trust.

Sometimes it is just scammers, and sometimes the project teams plant their man in order to lead the bounty!

Well, there is some project that has a team that includes people that can manage bounty. So in order to save cost, they may decide to manage the bounty themselves. The fact that the project is managed by a high-rank member does not mean the project can not end up as a scam. We have seen this in the past where bounty being managed by notable bounty managers turn out to be a scam member. A copper member account is specifically created for such a project that gives them an opportunity to wear avatar and perform many other functions

I guess some of the bounties are being managed by the team also and not reputable bounty manager since it requires them to pay a lot of tokens or in any form of currency. I also noticed this kind of bounty managing, most of them are being managed same name as the ICO. But still for me i will just join bounties with reputable and trusted bounty manager.

there is sence in your words. but also that bm can be a memer of solid team of bounty managers. than you can not afraid. learn carefully.

In these cases it is always useful to do further research to avoid wasting time. Sometimes it happens that the same people are involved in several projects.

i guess anyway if someone of an ico's team has the ability to manage the bounty campaigns it will do it himself instead of hiring and paying an expert bounty manager, however i prefer the bounty managed by old accounts with so many feedback/ico behind

There may be many reasons for such situations. Perhaps an experienced manager expects too much payment. Maybe project team wants to control the campaign itself, etc. Of course, new accounts may raise some concerns among bounty hunters due to the possibility of using such accounts without history for scam.

I've seen some most bounties that are managed by new accounts but you should care to look when did they join because the rankings system already changed because of merit. There are also some good bounties that are handled by these new accounts though. Because sometimes the project itself employs people of their own to manage bounties and they don't find anyone here to be the bounty manager. And no, it doesn't have anything to do whether it is a scam or not.

in my opinion it is common in the ico project, so it's not surprising when the new account is managing the ico project. and behind these reasons I don't really know ... I think the most important thing in a project can be seen from a manager who has a good reputation in managing previous projects.

Maybe it could be, because they are also looking for a safe account. Because now if the manager has a slight mistake, immediately get a red mark. And also now I rarely see old bounty managers.

Even if the account is from a team member, it shouldn't be new. Are you saying none of the team members owned an account  here before the project started? I think they are just trying to protect their old accounts.

If you're being introduce into this forum, you're know nothing,right ?
For me it's a process except someone taught them first before try to manage the bounties.

So if the manager still new, you can just consider them as totally newbie !

This is a growing trend in the bounty section seeing newbies (copper members) handling  campaigns, this look suspicious to me I would rather avoid participating in such bounties to avoid touching stories of unpaid token at the end of the campaign, we had seasoned, tested, experienced and trusted bounty mangers who had successfully handled previous campaigns, I see no reason why I would work with a unknown newbie manager.

Of course, this question can be answered with a few assumptions, but I think that the most important part of the answer is the projects. Due to today's market conditions, interest in ICO projects has decreased so we cannot see successful ICO. There are different reasons why these projects cannot be successful, but unsuccessful projects, especially scam projects, will certainly reflect negatively on their bounty manager. For this reason, it is possible to say that high-ranking members do not want to manage these campaigns anymore, but I think that they are turning towards such an application not only to make an affordable study in their projects but also to not risk their membership. Under these market conditions, I don't think popular managers or affiliates will run a campaign. Nobody wants to kill chicken which spawn a golden egg for an instant gain.

This is true now most of the projects publishing ANN thread and bounty with newbie cooper member account. But i think more reason first of all if which project will be scam when this account will get must be negative trust other thing is project team just creating new account for promoting and bumping ann thread.      

The team decides who to hire and since they are hiring people as part of their team, they let those hired ones to create account here and do manage ANN and bounty threads for them. They don't want to send funds to escrow too which is why for them its a win-win situation to just do it their way.

I think because they are afraid of a bad reputation if the project they are working on is a scam. so you should really join a project that is hosted by a newbie account.

Well, some projects opt to be managed by their own team, that is why they choose to manage their own bounty by using a new copper member maybe to save money or to avoid the hassle or chance of getting scammed by greedy managers. It is also possible that a project can be a scam.

I don't see any issue problems with this matter. Though, its an advantage if the bounty manager has a high rank at least FM and up position. But it doesn't mean if the BM is new account or just Jr. member is not an advantage of course not. Maybe they are skipping or avoiding to pay a high amount for the payment if they will hire BM which has a high rank.

I really thought I was the only person that noticed that most bounties are now managed by newbies. I think it is because most projects cannot afford to hire a good bounty manager or they just wish to manage it themselves. But if it is not because of the above reason, then i think they are scammers that do not want to use their real account so as not to get negative trust on it.

Because new accounts are cheap to make and can be discarded if anything goes wrong. New accounts don't have to be scammers but usually if someone appears on the forum and tries to offer you a deal he's planning to take advantage of you.

Start asking them to escrow deals and you'll be safe.

Somebody lost their account for some reason and they come back with new account.In this time they buy copper membership to take the ability to manage a bounty project. But as a result of copper member system most of the newbie take this and maximum of them are scam.

Because they do not want to pay bounty managers for their duties. ICOs could save a lot of money and time by managing their bounties by themselves. Moreover you do not have any third party . between participants and the team.

And what if the developers of new projects did not have an account on the forum before? And they create it with the goal of independently managing the advertising of their project.
After all, this happens in most cases.

Some of them are not so long in the crypto area and don't have money to pay for bounty management. And yeah, some of them are scam and don't want to receive red trust. It's not that bad indicator to look for.

Yeah, maybe you're right. So I don't really trust new accounts. Of course there are exceptions, but mostly I prefer to participate in the bounty from trusted managers. This is one from the bounty selection criteria for me. If the Manager is unreliable, then I am wary of such a project.

You might be definitely right, have also thought about that. Infact I see any project managed by new account as been scam so even if am tempted to run bounty campaigns on it, I don't always go fully in. But that doesn't mean that their ain't good project managed by copper account

In most cases, the company is promoted by its Bounty manager, without using the Bounty platform or the Bounty managers we know. Although it is possible that new accounts are created for the purpose of fraud.

I also seeing lots of bounty campaigns managed by copper newbie members and if that's the case, you better think 100 times or your time will only be wasted. Most of them are having a red trust after a month because of alleged scam bounty. Most of the reputable bounty managers also having less campaigns. I believe that the reason why most bounty campaigns are handled newbies is because they don't have enough funds to pay these reputable bounty managers or they were unable to meet the criterias asked by those BMs.

Just very few projects managed by newbie accounts can be trusted. If they are really sure of what they are giving out or producing, they should be bold enough to use an account or the account holder of someone who is highly ranked on the forum.
This is where bounty managers who use their already grown accounts need to be careful.

I think you are right, most of the newly projects organization bounty now are copper members account, possibly paid for. Which means someone planning for a project hasn't been in crypto for a long time, or using it to avoid them being cast. I also noticed that it's is mostly for those projects who organized it their self and not giving it out.

Copper to enable the ability of posting imagea and link. It is more likely that the project creates new account because they already have their own manager instead of hiring someone else. It is a usual practices that a project tend to have peoppe specializes in online marketing.

It is just a thought why the project team hires those account with copper member rather than with higher account. We do not have to blame them, having copper member because they want to protect their old account and the rank won't affect their job at all being a manager because they the skill that qualifies them in the position. Scam projects is not their fault because they just also hire to assist the participants, it is how being develop.

This is mainly because people who open a new thread related to the project or a bounty program want the username to be the ICO name, or they are ICO project employees who were not Bitcointalk users before.

not always a project with a newbie account as manager of the bounty is a scam. often, a project does not have the money to pay for a good and well-known manager and that is why they're directing the bounty with a newbie account. in addition, certainly not all people who start a crypto project here in the forum have an account with high rank.

For now there are many bounty managers with new accounts or low ranks. And actually it doesn't matter as long as the project is good it will definitely be good. For the problem of scam or not is actually not the one who manages. Because there is no element of coercion you must participate in the project. At least we must follow the rules of each bounty manager.

I agree some high ranked members are having their account tagged after the ICO they are promoting have turned to scam project, and because there is only limited high ranked members here in this forum, they want to protect it.

yup, so this why before you follow the bounty you research before about the project, who's the bounty manager etc. if you doubt about the new so you can find reputable bounty manager

now for campaigns in this forum already have a team that can be rented to handle bounty campaigns but some platforms want to handle it themselves and they may only want to handle it themselves so as not to have the cost of hiring a team or account that already has a high reputation and can now making an account in this forum is limited and to be able to get some access to a new account you must buy copper membership.

Many new projects are managed by new accounts and I think they are afraid of getting red trust. At the beginning of this year, there were several projects that were a scam and managed by new accounts. I personally prefer projects that are managed by senior and more experienced accounts. So this old account is certainly more selective in doing work.