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Title: The part loaded Saudi oil tanker docking in Venezuela. Post by: Jet Cash on February 10, 2019, 03:20:28 PM There doesn't seem to be much information about this current piece of news. Oil tankers are designed to sail with a load that takes much of the ship under water. If it sails with empty tanks, it could break its back, and this is why they take in sea water rather than sail empty. So is the tanker part loaded with sea water which will be discharged ready for loading with Venezuelan heavy oil? There is an alternative, and a far more interesting possibility. Is the Saudi government shipping light oil to Venezuela as a joint venture, and the Venezuelan oil will be mixed in the tanker? The resulting mixture could then be sold to China for refining. This would benefit all 3 countries, and it would also bypass the US sanctions.
Title: Re: The part loaded Saudi oil tanker docking in Venezuela. Post by: mayo2u on February 11, 2019, 03:19:15 AM There doesn't seem to be much information about this current piece of news. Oil tankers are designed to sail with a load that takes much of the ship under water. If it sails with empty tanks, it could break its back, and this is why they take in sea water rather than sail empty. So is the tanker part loaded with sea water which will be discharged ready for loading with Venezuelan heavy oil? There is an alternative, and a far more interesting possibility. Is the Saudi government shipping light oil to Venezuela as a joint venture, and the Venezuelan oil will be mixed in the tanker? The resulting mixture could then be sold to China for refining. This would benefit all 3 countries, and it would also bypass the US sanctions. Don't the sanctions only apply to US companies? It makes no difference to international customers. China can buy directly from Venezuela as can any other non-US based company. Title: Re: The part loaded Saudi oil tanker docking in Venezuela. Post by: Jet Cash on February 11, 2019, 10:15:11 AM No. The US is trying to impose its will on the whole world, and this includes trade between sovereign nations that are independent of the US. It's the reason that SWIFT is being replaced, and countries are moving away from the petro-dollar. America's answer is to increase military spending and intervention, whilst countries like Russia and China rely on trade and economic aid to gain control of countries that have been pushed into recession by the US.
The US should spend it's money on roads and infrastructure at home, rather than enriching the City of London through its military spending. Title: Re: The part loaded Saudi oil tanker docking in Venezuela. Post by: Carlton Banks on February 11, 2019, 01:13:16 PM America's answer is to increase military spending and intervention, whilst countries like Russia and China rely on trade and economic aid to gain control of countries that have been pushed into recession by the US. It's good to see someone making this observation. If I was the russian or chinese leadership, I'd be incredibly happy that the US continually creates states that are pissed off with the US meddling in their affairs, as china and russia can play the good guy role by giving those harassed governments "no-strings attached" relief, only to discover that there are in fact significant strings attached later on. These apparent enemies (US/europe/china/russia) are accidently putting the rest of the world under their disunited influence as a result of their bickering. Imagine if the bickering quietened down to 1990's levels and all 4 world powers cooperated again. Title: Re: The part loaded Saudi oil tanker docking in Venezuela. Post by: DireWolfM14 on February 11, 2019, 10:39:08 PM No. The US is trying to impose its will on the whole world, and this includes trade between sovereign nations that are independent of the US. It's the reason that SWIFT is being replaced, and countries are moving away from the petro-dollar. America's answer is to increase military spending and intervention, whilst countries like Russia and China rely on trade and economic aid to gain control of countries that have been pushed into recession by the US. The US should spend it's money on roads and infrastructure at home, rather than enriching the City of London through its military spending. Subtract the vitriol and anti-America sentiment, and yes this is true. If country A, which is not sanctioned by the US does business with country B, which is subject to US sanctions, then country A risks being sanctioned by the US as well. Reminder: sanctions wouldn't work if there was no incentive to do business with the US. Title: Re: The part loaded Saudi oil tanker docking in Venezuela. Post by: mayo2u on February 12, 2019, 03:04:11 AM America's answer is to increase military spending and intervention, whilst countries like Russia and China rely on trade and economic aid to gain control of countries that have been pushed into recession by the US. It's good to see someone making this observation. If I was the russian or chinese leadership, I'd be incredibly happy that the US continually creates states that are pissed off with the US meddling in their affairs, as china and russia can play the good guy role by giving those harassed governments "no-strings attached" relief, only to discover that there are in fact significant strings attached later on. These apparent enemies (US/europe/china/russia) are accidently putting the rest of the world under their disunited influence as a result of their bickering. Imagine if the bickering quietened down to 1990's levels and all 4 world powers cooperated again. You think China is going to keep that "good guy" role for long. I don't think so. The Silk Road is turning into very bad deals for many countries. China's not being part of the 19th C imperialist world will help them for only so long. And then ... especially when their loans are foreclosed on; when countries give up key ports to Chinese control; and as time goes by - and the new generation comes along ... then they will want those ports, those hydroelectric dams back under their control. That's less than 20 years away. Title: Re: The part loaded Saudi oil tanker docking in Venezuela. Post by: Carlton Banks on February 12, 2019, 10:55:15 AM You think China is going to keep that "good guy" role for long. no That's less than 20 years away. It already happened in Athens, the deal went bad and now the port that Chinese gov money built there is either mostly or entirely controlled by the Chinese gov. Title: Re: The part loaded Saudi oil tanker docking in Venezuela. Post by: Artemis3 on February 12, 2019, 03:03:04 PM Subtract the vitriol and anti-America sentiment, and yes this is true. If country A, which is not sanctioned by the US does business with country B, which is subject to US sanctions, then country A risks being sanctioned by the US as well. Reminder: sanctions wouldn't work if there was no incentive to do business with the US. As a country, the best you can do is denounce Maduro and side with Guaidó. The sooner Maduro is out, the better for everyone. The sanctions are against Maduro and his small group of accomplices, not against Venezuela. If you want to deal legitimate business, contact Juan Guaidó President Interim and/or Venezuela's National Assembly, which is the last remaining legitimate elected institution. More than 60+ (and growing) countries have officially acknowledged Guaidó as the legitimate President, and only less than 20 keep backing Maduro. Officially acknowledge Guaidó as legitimate President Interim of Venezuela: 🇺🇸 🇨🇦 🇨🇴 🇧🇷 🇦🇷 🇵🇾 🇵🇪 🇨🇱 🇬🇹 🇭🇳 🇵🇦 🇨🇷 🇪🇨 🇬🇪 🇽🇰 🇦🇱 🇬🇧 🇧🇸 🇩🇴 🇭🇹 🇮🇱 🇦🇺 🇵🇷 🇩🇪 🇫🇷 🇪🇸 🇱🇹 🇦🇹 🇵🇱 🇩🇰 🇵🇹 🇱🇻 🇸🇪 🇳🇱 🇧🇪 🇭🇺 🇨🇿 🇪🇪 🇱🇺 🇫🇮 🇭🇷 🇲🇰 🇮🇸 🇧🇬 🇲🇹 🇮🇪 🇦🇩 🇺🇦 🇨🇭 🇯🇵 🇹🇼 🇲🇦 Keep (officially) backing Maduro: 🇨🇺 🇧🇴 🇷🇺 🇹🇷 🇨🇳 🇸🇾 🇵🇸 🇮🇷 🇧🇾 🇳🇮 🇸🇻 🇿🇦 🇬🇶 🇲🇿 🇧🇯 🇱🇦 🇿🇲 🇰🇵 Title: Re: The part loaded Saudi oil tanker docking in Venezuela. Post by: merchantofzeny on February 20, 2019, 07:33:03 PM It already happened in Athens, the deal went bad and now the port that Chinese gov money built there is either mostly or entirely controlled by the Chinese gov. Oh, I never knew about this! I've only heard about that infamous 99-year lease with Sri Lanka, which is the first step in pushing India out of the Indian Ocean. Yes the US is no saint but China definitely isn't as well. It's hellbent on catching up with the US and is actively competing for leverage (example the planned Nicaragua canal). Title: Re: The part loaded Saudi oil tanker docking in Venezuela. Post by: mayo2u on February 21, 2019, 01:19:36 AM It already happened in Athens, the deal went bad and now the port that Chinese gov money built there is either mostly or entirely controlled by the Chinese gov. Oh, I never knew about this! I've only heard about that infamous 99-year lease with Sri Lanka, which is the first step in pushing India out of the Indian Ocean. Yes the US is no saint but China definitely isn't as well. It's hellbent on catching up with the US and is actively competing for leverage (example the planned Nicaragua canal). China Uncensored has some interesting videos on the Silk Road This is one of them put there's plenty more. https://youtu.be/Uh9xSA2gOZQ Typing "china uncensored silk road" in youtube's search box shows a good selection. Title: Re: The part loaded Saudi oil tanker docking in Venezuela. Post by: merchantofzeny on February 23, 2019, 01:36:07 PM Oh, I never knew about this! I've only heard about that infamous 99-year lease with Sri Lanka, which is the first step in pushing India out of the Indian Ocean. Yes the US is no saint but China definitely isn't as well. It's hellbent on catching up with the US and is actively competing for leverage (example the planned Nicaragua canal). China Uncensored has some interesting videos on the Silk Road This is one of them put there's plenty more. https://youtu.be/Uh9xSA2gOZQ Typing "china uncensored silk road" in youtube's search box shows a good selection. I'm familiar with that channel. I don't watch it as often since it tend to stress me out. |