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Title: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: manishanand on February 13, 2019, 07:46:00 AM
Here are some merits of democracy :
1)It is more accountable
2)The elected leaders need to perform better for their stability
3)Gives the people right to choose among the best
4)It enhances the dignity of a citizen

Demerits of democracy :
1)Leaders keep on changing leads to instability
2)It is all about political competition and power play
3)Elected leaders do not know the best interests of people
4)Democracy leads to corruption.

So which country would you prefer a democratic or non-democratic ?


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: DireWolfM14 on February 13, 2019, 05:45:14 PM
Here are some merits of democracy :
1)It is more accountable
2)The elected leaders need to perform better for their stability
3)Gives the people right to choose among the best
4)It enhances the dignity of a citizen

Demerits of democracy :
1)Leaders keep on changing leads to instability
2)It is all about political competition and power play
3)Elected leaders do not know the best interests of people
4)Democracy leads to corruption.

So which country would you prefer a democratic or non-democratic ?

There are a lot of different types of democracies, and I can't tell which types you are attempting to compare.  Are you referring to Athenian democracy, where all laws and policies are voted on by the populous?  Are you referring to a democratically elected officials, or representative democracy?  Do you even know what the word democracy means?  I'm not sure you do.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: BADecker on February 13, 2019, 09:24:20 PM
Almost every form of government that is called Democracy, is also some other forms added in.

For example. In the USA, the democracy when electing a president, is the voting the Electoral College does. The Electoral College people are supposed to vote like the people of their district want them to, but they don't always do it. And they are seldomly called to account when they don't.

So, the representative form of government where the Electoral College represents people, isn't democracy. But most people think it is.

In other areas of Government, there might be direct voting by the people in democratic fashion. However, the jury can override any laws that governmental officials make. So the hidden government is really something other than a democracy.

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Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: TECSHARE on February 13, 2019, 10:05:07 PM
Pure Democracy is just mob justice where the minority have zero personal rights. I prefer a Constitutional Republic with a limited democratic element as we have in the US to choose our representatives. We need to enforce the laws we already have, not rebuild the whole system.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: BADecker on February 13, 2019, 10:20:52 PM
Pure Democracy is just mob justice where the minority have zero personal rights. I prefer a Constitutional Republic with a limited democratic element as we have in the US to choose our representatives. We need to enforce the laws we already have, not rebuild the whole system.

I agree. Since the right to privacy is built right into the Constitution, the Amendments, many laws, and 70 major Supreme Court cases, we need to emphasize it to get illegally acting government and law enforcement officials off our backs. This is what is being done, slowly, through the private membership associations (PMA).

I predict that if the economy continues roughly the same over the next 12 months, we are going to see an explosion of PMAs.

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Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: KingScorpio on February 13, 2019, 10:34:38 PM
Pure Democracy is just mob justice where the minority have zero personal rights. I prefer a Constitutional Republic with a limited democratic element as we have in the US to choose our representatives. We need to enforce the laws we already have, not rebuild the whole system.

democracy is pointless trash, if all the businesses, craftsmen, etc. give a damn about the elections.

because thats what cryptocapitalism is causing. it removes the purchasing power from the elected officials.

but that can be also a good thing. just look at american democracy its effectively a democracy of the rich. and their media gimmicks

the social mood of a society can also be measured with other means, not constant pointless massmedia lobbyism influenced elections.

look at uk or us democracies they are 50+-1% elections, the queen should just throw a coin, would save a lot of work.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: BADecker on February 13, 2019, 10:56:53 PM
Pure Democracy is just mob justice where the minority have zero personal rights. I prefer a Constitutional Republic with a limited democratic element as we have in the US to choose our representatives. We need to enforce the laws we already have, not rebuild the whole system.

democracy is pointless trash, if all the businesses, craftsmen, etc. give a damn about the elections.

because thats what cryptocapitalism is causing. it removes the purchasing power from the elected officials.

but that can be also a good thing. just look at american democracy its effectively a democracy of the rich. and their media gimmicks

the social mood of a society can also be measured with other means, not constant pointless massmedia lobbyism influenced elections.

look at uk or us democracies they are 50+-1% elections, the queen should just throw a coin, would save a lot of work.

The benefit of Democracy is that it forms a special kind of political Dictatorship, and the people don't even realize it. If the dictatorial group want to keep the people thinking that it's a democracy, they have to offer a lot of freedom, and use some very subtle dictatorial action. So, the people get the benefit anyway.

It's still not nearly as good as the USA people have it... where a jury can nullify anything that government does.

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Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: KingScorpio on February 14, 2019, 02:25:19 AM
Pure Democracy is just mob justice where the minority have zero personal rights. I prefer a Constitutional Republic with a limited democratic element as we have in the US to choose our representatives. We need to enforce the laws we already have, not rebuild the whole system.

democracy is pointless trash, if all the businesses, craftsmen, etc. give a damn about the elections.

because thats what cryptocapitalism is causing. it removes the purchasing power from the elected officials.

but that can be also a good thing. just look at american democracy its effectively a democracy of the rich. and their media gimmicks

the social mood of a society can also be measured with other means, not constant pointless massmedia lobbyism influenced elections.

look at uk or us democracies they are 50+-1% elections, the queen should just throw a coin, would save a lot of work.

The benefit of Democracy is that it forms a special kind of political Dictatorship, and the people don't even realize it. If the dictatorial group want to keep the people thinking that it's a democracy, they have to offer a lot of freedom, and use some very subtle dictatorial action. So, the people get the benefit anyway.

It's still not nearly as good as the USA people have it... where a jury can nullify anything that government does.

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jes of course. who controls the financial system in a democracy?

thats the true master, everyone else is a debt slave as he is forced to ask for permission of power.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: mayo2u on February 14, 2019, 03:18:10 AM
Pure Democracy is just mob justice where the minority have zero personal rights. I prefer a Constitutional Republic with a limited democratic element as we have in the US to choose our representatives. We need to enforce the laws we already have, not rebuild the whole system.

democracy is pointless trash, if all the businesses, craftsmen, etc. give a damn about the elections.

because thats what cryptocapitalism is causing. it removes the purchasing power from the elected officials.

but that can be also a good thing. just look at american democracy its effectively a democracy of the rich. and their media gimmicks

the social mood of a society can also be measured with other means, not constant pointless massmedia lobbyism influenced elections.

look at uk or us democracies they are 50+-1% elections, the queen should just throw a coin, would save a lot of work.

The benefit of Democracy is that it forms a special kind of political Dictatorship, and the people don't even realize it. If the dictatorial group want to keep the people thinking that it's a democracy, they have to offer a lot of freedom, and use some very subtle dictatorial action. So, the people get the benefit anyway.

It's still not nearly as good as the USA people have it... where a jury can nullify anything that government does.

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jes of course. who controls the financial system in a democracy?

thats the true master, everyone else is a debt slave as he is forced to ask for permission of power.

You don't need to be a debt slave.  I know many people who are debt free. Outside of my mortgage on a multi-unit building I am debt free. I have no credit card debt. Never had a student loan.

Being a debt slave is a matter of choice for most people (in the US). I can't speak for other places.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: squatz1 on February 14, 2019, 04:48:57 AM
Pure Democracy is just mob justice where the minority have zero personal rights. I prefer a Constitutional Republic with a limited democratic element as we have in the US to choose our representatives. We need to enforce the laws we already have, not rebuild the whole system.

+1

Winston Churchill once said - "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others."

Obviously he is referring to a Constitutional Republic though, but I just wanted to stress that.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: coins4commies on February 14, 2019, 05:47:07 AM
Demerits of democracy :
1)Leaders keep on changing leads to instability
2)It is all about political competition and power play
3)Elected leaders do not know the best interests of people
4)Democracy leads to corruption.

So which country would you prefer a democratic or non-democratic ?
All of these demerits are about republic and not democracy.  It seems you have the two confused.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: mOgliE on February 14, 2019, 09:18:40 AM
Pure Democracy is just mob justice where the minority have zero personal rights. I prefer a Constitutional Republic with a limited democratic element as we have in the US to choose our representatives. We need to enforce the laws we already have, not rebuild the whole system.

And who writes the constitution?
I mean if you build a new government, who gets to decide what's in the constitution?


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: Senkuli on February 14, 2019, 12:29:40 PM
Democracy is freedom of rights in opinion and prioritizing ideas or ideas born of different views summarized for the benefit of many people or for a clean and free country from an authoritarian policy by establishing relations with several institutionsthe government to create citizens' life guidelines by guaranteeing their rights. With a transparent election process, it will determine reliable leaders who are responsible and wise in making decisions, so that democracy is better than non-democratic onesmaking authoritarian leaders of power,


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: BADecker on February 14, 2019, 02:09:26 PM
Pure Democracy is just mob justice where the minority have zero personal rights. I prefer a Constitutional Republic with a limited democratic element as we have in the US to choose our representatives. We need to enforce the laws we already have, not rebuild the whole system.

And who writes the constitution?
I mean if you build a new government, who gets to decide what's in the constitution?

The Constitution was written by guys who were supposed to be updating the Articles of Confederation. These guys simply wrote the Constitution, on their own, without authorization by the people. Then, they used their authority to present the Constitution rather than their updates to the Articles of Confederation. The people barely caught on to what they were doing, and it is almost a miracle (good miracle? bad miracle?) that the constitution caught on.

Write your own Constitution. The Constitution allows anybody to write their own Constitution. It's upheld in the 1st Amendment... freedom of speech.

There are lots of new governments right in America. Don't tell me that every corporation doesn't have a government. All corporations operate by their own internal government. If a corporate government was good enough, and received enough publicity, and the people of the USA thought that their corporate Constitution was better, we just might get a complete change of government.

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Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: cizatext on February 14, 2019, 08:21:27 PM
Democracy is the government of the people for the people and by the people, in a Democratic government the people are at the central of the whole process and they decide who govern them. The people hold they representative accountable for they action either good or bad.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: pixie85 on February 14, 2019, 09:45:50 PM
Democracy is the government of the people for the people and by the people, in a Democratic government the people are at the central of the whole process and they decide who govern them. The people hold they representative accountable for they action either good or bad.

I wish it was like that. In most countries you democratically vote for your representatives who feeds you lies before the election and later fail to accomplish anything but it's too late for you to change anything. The only thing you can do is wait for another election and vote for someone else who will repeat the same promises and again show you the middle finger once he gets elected. The beauty of democracy and voting.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: coins4commies on February 15, 2019, 12:17:11 AM
Democracy is the government of the people for the people and by the people, in a Democratic government the people are at the central of the whole process and they decide who govern them. The people hold they representative accountable for they action either good or bad.
Another definition of republic.

Does anyone know what democracy is?


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: mayo2u on February 15, 2019, 12:29:31 AM
Democracy is the government of the people for the people and by the people, in a Democratic government the people are at the central of the whole process and they decide who govern them. The people hold they representative accountable for they action either good or bad.
Another definition of republic.

Does anyone know what democracy is?

The difference between democracy and a republic can be boiled down to the rules by which the government is limited. A republic gives domain to the legislature to act within proscribed boundaries. A democracy is majority rule to do whatever the majority is so inclined to do.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: TECSHARE on February 15, 2019, 06:29:05 AM
Democracy is the government of the people for the people and by the people, in a Democratic government the people are at the central of the whole process and they decide who govern them. The people hold they representative accountable for they action either good or bad.
Another definition of republic.

Does anyone know what democracy is?

The difference between democracy and a republic can be boiled down to the rules by which the government is limited. A republic gives domain to the legislature to act within proscribed boundaries. A democracy is majority rule to do whatever the majority is so inclined to do.

You just don't get it. We need Liquid Democracy and Modern Monetary Theory man. Dude. Man...


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: Bitcoinwalks on February 15, 2019, 08:56:22 AM
Of course yes! in democracy, government officials will never become a ruler! However, democracy has its own lapses. it always occurs during the election because people always elected the wrong one!


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: coins4commies on February 15, 2019, 09:51:03 AM
All of these problems would go away if you took the representative out of representative democracy.  With real democracy, the people are always in control and there can be no mistakes.  If the people don't like a decision they make, they just go back and overturn it.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: coolcoinz on February 15, 2019, 02:31:33 PM
The problem with democracy is that everything is decided by the majority, and what does the majority comprise of? Is there more smart or more dumb people in every country?
Is there more academic teachers, people with higher education, or bums, drunkards, morons, and such?

When you give a specialist in the field a single vote and you also give an unqualified worker with only primary school education 1 vote as well, how do you think a decision will be made? Of course by the smart and wealthy people looking for ways to persuade the uneducated to lend them their votes. As a result, here's how a typical democratic system works:

There's a problem that has to be voted over.
People with deep understanding of the problem are either for or against it, so they divide themselves into groups.
Both groups have only 20% of votes each (at best), so they have to look for ways to persuade the simple people.
Both groups give promises to the people that apply to their basic needs, like if you vote for that new nuclear power plant we'll lower your electric bills. You'll have more money! While the other group will take the fear mongering stance of: If you vote for that power plant your children will have cancer!
And that's what it ultimately comes down to. Lobbying, persuading, buying the dumb majority, or scaring them.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: mOgliE on February 15, 2019, 02:35:17 PM
Lobbying, persuading, buying the dumb majority, or scaring them.

Which is why democracy can work only with education.

You don't need to be of great intelligence to make the correct decision. You only need to be educated into thinking logically that's all.

What country gives classes of philosophy, sociology, history and logic/politics/debate together? None. Still those are the important field any citizen should be taught and that would be enough to vote logically and accordingly to one's values.


No matter what, any system that is NOT a democracy can only lead to dictatorship anyway.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: BADecker on February 15, 2019, 10:02:32 PM
Lobbying, persuading, buying the dumb majority, or scaring them.

Which is why democracy can work only with education.

You don't need to be of great intelligence to make the correct decision. You only need to be educated into thinking logically that's all.

What country gives classes of philosophy, sociology, history and logic/politics/debate together? None. Still those are the important field any citizen should be taught and that would be enough to vote logically and accordingly to one's values.


No matter what, any system that is NOT a democracy can only lead to dictatorship anyway.

Most systems that are democracy, lead to a form of dictatorship. Why? Because the democratic electing of government officials places leaders (rulers) in office. These leaders seldom do the things that they were elected to do. So, we wind up with dictatorship by group, or by the group leader... like a president.

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Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: Bagaji on February 16, 2019, 02:04:13 PM
In my opinion, democracy is more better as compared to countries that are govern by the dictatorship this is because all the disadvantage under the Democratic setting still can be found in the dictatorship government and still the populace of country can't vote him out, because such government tenor is not subjected to a period of time.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: BADecker on February 16, 2019, 02:42:12 PM
^^^ This is possibly the best reason why a Democracy is better than a dictatorship. In the democracy, the people can vote a bad leader out, giving them another chance.

The USA, however, is not really a democracy. The USA is a nation built on the right of people to do all kinds of free things, including meet together, and talk together, and the right to private property.

The basic thing that holds the USA together is the ignorance of the people about the right that they have to privatize their government in a new way, based on all their private rights. If enough people got together and privatized their rights, the new private thing would become government. Mostly, the people are too ignorant to realize this, and government people want them to remain ignorant.

This is hidden right out in the open from the people by one major thing. It is hidden by the words of the founding documents and laws that hold protection from government in place. These are the Constitution, Amendments, laws, and court cases. The people focus on the writings, and forget to focus on the real freedom that they have.

The people think that they have freedom through the above writings, when the writings mostly only state what government people are limited to. WHEN A PERSON WINDS UP IN PRISON BUT IS INNOCENT, MOST OF THE TIME IT IS BECAUSE HE AGREED TO BE PART OF THE GOVERNMENT WITHOUT EVEN REALIZING THAT THIS IS WHAT HE AGREED TO. Somehow he gave up or threw away his private capacity.

On the outside of the understanding about the USA government, is the idea that it is a democracy. This popular understanding is partially right. But the greater part of freedom for the people is the built-in libertarian part that people barely focus on objectively.

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Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: Flying Hellfish on February 16, 2019, 03:46:27 PM
The biggest problem with most non autocratic forms of government is there tendency to trend towards kleptocracy (humans are nasty greedy parasites).  Autocratic forms of government are many times worse than any kleptocracy so until someone figures out something better we are stuck with Kleptocracy's.  On the bright side Kleptocracy's are very good at propaganda to keep the dull in line most of the people getting fucked in the ass with a cactus don't even know it, they think they have it all already!


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: DAVETUN on February 17, 2019, 10:17:55 PM
Define as the government  of the people by the people, but this is not always the way it happen, especially when the leaders have been voted, they tend to focus on there personal/ political parties vision and not bothered about the citizen that vote them in, Thou worst democracy is still better that military rule, with democracy citizen still have a voice.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: Dumont31 on February 17, 2019, 11:32:44 PM
As I heard in the past, the democracy is an cantitative regime, instead of an qualitative one.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: mOgliE on February 18, 2019, 09:50:56 AM

Most systems that are democracy, lead to a form of dictatorship. Why? Because the democratic electing of government officials places leaders (rulers) in office. These leaders seldom do the things that they were elected to do. So, we wind up with dictatorship by group, or by the group leader... like a president.

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Which just means representative democracy is shit.

Not that democracy is shit.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: beLiefs on February 18, 2019, 10:40:33 AM
I had grand visions of direct democracy powered by crypto until I watched "The Orville" Majority Rule episode. Oh well. The majority would likely reject such an idea, anyway. :P


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: Artemis3 on February 18, 2019, 11:15:32 AM
jes of course. who controls the financial system in a democracy?

thats the true master, everyone else is a debt slave as he is forced to ask for permission of power.

Only because Americans have the bad habit of getting in debt instead of saving (holding) to buy things (and that's what the Chicago school of economy teaches for entire countries) doesn't mean you should. You have the freedom to live without debts a modest life, like many Chinese people living abroad do.

You are the only ones giving power to the "financial system". Why are you giving them your money when nobody forced you to? Sadly most wages are still paid that way, but at least you can withdrawn them immediately and purchase bitcoin.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: omonuyak on February 18, 2019, 08:09:05 PM
In the primitive time there is no democracy and people were been ruled by there tradition and they were living in peace and harmony.  But now that we think we can select our leaders we are having serious problem ranging from war,  poverty, corruptions and hatred.  I think democracy is not good for us and if I have my ways we would not adopt democracy in my country.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: KingScorpio on February 18, 2019, 08:25:28 PM
jes of course. who controls the financial system in a democracy?

thats the true master, everyone else is a debt slave as he is forced to ask for permission of power.

Only because Americans have the bad habit of getting in debt instead of saving (holding) to buy things (and that's what the Chicago school of economy teaches for entire countries) doesn't mean you should. You have the freedom to live without debts a modest life, like many Chinese people living abroad do.

You are the only ones giving power to the "financial system". Why are you giving them your money when nobody forced you to? Sadly most wages are still paid that way, but at least you can withdrawn them immediately and purchase bitcoin.

i cant do anything about that its the retarded banksters in my country that fund american debt, same is the case in japan china etc.

regards


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: darklus123 on February 19, 2019, 07:14:44 AM
The only thing I must have to agree on your statement  is that democracy really indeed can have a very corrupt type of government. My place is a democratic country and ever since then corruption was always been the problem.

Also because of the freedom that the people has been bragging about is now slowly becoming a big problem cause you will not know anymore  what to believe in.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: BADecker on February 19, 2019, 01:35:10 PM
Consider the 51% to 49% vote in democracy. Both sides vote for the other side to support them entirely. I mean, literally, the losing side has to support the winning side in style. Because that's all it is. Democracy is slavery in the making.

In practice, the democratically elected leaders make slaves of everybody else. Of course... they do it shrewdly so that the rest of the people don't understand what they are doing, but continue to fight it out between themselves in the next election.

The joke is on all those people who love to vote and fight. They all lose to the elected leaders... who live in style.

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Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: TheCoinGrabber on February 19, 2019, 06:59:13 PM
1)It is more accountable

It can be more transparent than totalitarian regimes but only if the institutions are strong enough to enforce transparency.

2)The elected leaders need to perform better for their stability

Can be a negative. They only need to LOOk like they are doing a good job, just good enough to be reelected, without consideration for long-term effects of policies.

3)Gives the people right to choose among the best

Varies. I live in a country where there was a town where all the politicians are from the same clan. They just decided which one to run unopposed. Since they are not really doing anything illegal, nothing can be done about it.

4)It enhances the dignity of a citizen

Ideally, yes.


1)Leaders keep on changing leads to instability

Agreed. I wonder if a modified version of the Venetian system can work today.

2)It is all about political competition and power play

This is good if it uncovers corruption. They are constantly finding faults in each other.

3)Elected leaders do not know the best interests of people

Well, you can just imagine how much worse it can get in totalitarian regimes like North Korea where the government do not answer to the people.

4)Democracy leads to corruption.

More the result of lobbying, which can happen in any government system. In democracies the erring politician can at least be impeached.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: darklus123 on February 20, 2019, 12:35:07 PM
Consider the 51% to 49% vote in democracy. Both sides vote for the other side to support them entirely. I mean, literally, the losing side has to support the winning side in style. Because that's all it is. Democracy is slavery in the making.

In practice, the democratically elected leaders make slaves of everybody else. Of course... they do it shrewdly so that the rest of the people don't understand what they are doing, but continue to fight it out between themselves in the next election.

The joke is on all those people who love to vote and fight. They all lose to the elected leaders... who live in style.

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Sucks this is clearly what happens to my countty. That is the reason why i really support the change of governance style into other categories. Just like federalism this might atleast lessen the corruption problem. Or should i see atleast we have tried


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: sudeshkumar on February 20, 2019, 05:11:58 PM
Yes  democracy is helpful to prosper the people by applying their potential to grow in every field of life as compare to non democratic system wherein hard rules are applied and people fight for their rights rather to blossom.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: sheenshane on February 20, 2019, 05:37:27 PM
Yes  democracy is helpful to prosper the people by applying their potential to grow in every field of life as compare to non democratic system wherein hard rules are applied and people fight for their rights rather to blossom.
In addition, democracy is something that you can show to people as a leader and also stuff to hide your dirty movements. In a democracy, you will be able to get things easy and make your profile nice to the people of your nation. In my country, as a citizen, I have seen my country went down because of this democracy because the leaders of the nation also had the chance and democracy to corrupt billions of billions of dollars. They have taken advantages that abide by the law and that is the true thief.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: Denyong on February 21, 2019, 09:31:50 AM
Here are some merits of democracy :
1)It is more accountable
2)The elected leaders need to perform better for their stability
3)Gives the people right to choose among the best
4)It enhances the dignity of a citizen

Demerits of democracy :
1)Leaders keep on changing leads to instability
2)It is all about political competition and power play
3)Elected leaders do not know the best interests of people
4)Democracy leads to corruption.

So which country would you prefer a democratic or non-democratic ?

Democracy is just a word from the book,
So many citizens know about democracy but, just from the cover. They don't look inside what is the meaning of that.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: easemypain on February 21, 2019, 01:14:38 PM
Yes  democracy is helpful to prosper the people by applying their potential to grow in every field of life as compare to non democratic system wherein hard rules are applied and people fight for their rights rather to blossom.
In addition, democracy is something that you can show to people as a leader and also stuff to hide your dirty movements. In a democracy, you will be able to get things easy and make your profile nice to the people of your nation. In my country, as a citizen, I have seen my country went down because of this democracy because the leaders of the nation also had the chance and democracy to corrupt billions of billions of dollars. They have taken advantages that abide by the law and that is the true thief.


The success of democracy is the active involvement of the citizens in the affairs of the government, when this is right is been violated then the reasons for adopting a democratic system of government is not reached. Then what's the need. As for me i personally will opt for a "NO" democracy.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: BADecker on February 21, 2019, 01:24:57 PM
The question is, Do we really have a functioning democracy, where the vote of the citizen really does anything significant?


This Is How AIPAC Really Works (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/256438-2019-02-20-this-is-how-aipac-really-works.htm)



An AIPAC and Capitol Hill veteran explains the lobby’s tactics of reward and retribution.

One thing that should be said about Representative Ilhan Omar’s tweet about the power of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (more commonly known as AIPAC, or the “Israel lobby”) is that the hysterical reaction to it proved her main point: The power of AIPAC over members of Congress is literally awesome, although not in a good way. Has anyone ever seen so many members of Congress, of both parties, running to the microphones and sending out press releases to denounce one first-termer for criticizing the power of… a lobby?

Somehow, I don’t think the reaction would have been the same if she had tweeted that Congress still supports the ethanol subsidy because the American Farm Bureau and other components of the corn/ethanol lobby spend millions to keep this agribusiness bonanza going (which they do). Or that if she had opposed the ethanol subsidy, she would have been accused of hating farmers.


Check out the site. There are links that you might want to read.


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Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: markstivn98 on March 04, 2019, 10:35:35 AM
Of course with democracy.
 Because they are engaged in the protection of human rights and public freedom.
Democratic States are among the most developed countries in the political and economic sphere.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: Daniel91 on March 04, 2019, 03:23:45 PM
Here are some merits of democracy :
1)It is more accountable
2)The elected leaders need to perform better for their stability
3)Gives the people right to choose among the best
4)It enhances the dignity of a citizen

Demerits of democracy :
1)Leaders keep on changing leads to instability
2)It is all about political competition and power play
3)Elected leaders do not know the best interests of people
4)Democracy leads to corruption.

So which country would you prefer a democratic or non-democratic ?

You have to understand something here.
If there is no ideal or perfect individuals, than we can't have ideal or perfect families, society or nation.
So, on ''the paper'' we can make perfect plan for the perfect society but in reality people decide with their everyday actions.
So, in my opinion, without strict control we can't have good political system.
So, I believe in democracy but not unconditionally.



Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: SiDtHeBeSt on March 04, 2019, 05:24:03 PM
I would like to go with democracy as also I'm from the world's bigger democracy I strongly support democracy. If not democracy it will be dictatorship sort of rule where the freedom of an individual gets limited. In a democracy everyone gets a chance to do what they want a sense of freedom which every being wants.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: baobao2000 on March 04, 2019, 05:48:34 PM
You have the chance to get rid of bad leader with democracy. Democracy country citizen have more right and choice, there are nothing perfect, for the right it need also time, money involved, but even a bad leader voted in, with democracy you can vote them out next time Without democracy citizen voice isn’t important anymore, if lucky you get a good leader, if unlucky you get a bad leader who you can’t get rid of in a life time.



Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: zhekinsp on March 04, 2019, 08:00:50 PM
Governments working under the kings are far better than by the democratic leaders so democracy is like a cheat and not a common citizen can become a leader on any country.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on March 04, 2019, 10:47:25 PM
Democracy will always be the best way, if you work more, you gain more, and you have freedom of expression and at the same time a stable economy is generated, those conditions are those necessary to be able to live in progress and under which, all technology is accepted and well received.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: BADecker on March 05, 2019, 06:02:30 AM
^^^ But only if we have a minimum of 12 popular candidates for each office, without voters knowing the number of votes anybody gets until after the election, and only if the winner gets at least a 50% majority of the votes, but if nobody gets 50% or more, nobody gets told how many votes anybody got.

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Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: BADecker on March 08, 2019, 04:00:38 PM
^^^ Except for very small groups, the benefits of democracy are only two:
1. The dictators within can slip up more easily;
2. Ignorance is bliss... ignorance that the democracy is simply a dictatorship of a different style than one that is formally a dictatorship.

BTW, the USA is not a democracy, even though it appears to be, and even though few people know how to effectively use their freedom in it.

8)


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: okala on March 09, 2019, 10:04:40 AM
Democracy is a scam in some countries where the will of the people does not prevail against the will of the leader who does not enjoy the legitimacy from the people but force him self on the all through the instrumentality of democracy.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: BADecker on March 09, 2019, 04:45:06 PM
Democracy is socialism among a group of people, so that the wise can reign over the dull-minded through capitalism.

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Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: KingScorpio on March 10, 2019, 08:25:47 AM
once you loose democracy you wont get it back anymore, it might take even millenias to get it back


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: BADecker on March 10, 2019, 07:33:35 PM
^^^ However, if you get freedom rather than democracy, you will be able to throw it (freedom) away and get democracy back any time you want... simply because you are free.

8)


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: Malsetid on March 27, 2019, 08:59:04 AM
Here are some merits of democracy :
1)It is more accountable
2)The elected leaders need to perform better for their stability
3)Gives the people right to choose among the best
4)It enhances the dignity of a citizen

Demerits of democracy :
1)Leaders keep on changing leads to instability
2)It is all about political competition and power play
3)Elected leaders do not know the best interests of people
4)Democracy leads to corruption.

So which country would you prefer a democratic or non-democratic ?

The things is, democracy would only work in a country wherr leaderd and the population are responsible in majority. It's very easy to manipulate democracy and turn it into something that gives control to a few greedy people. Technicalities can be used to twist the laws and take advantage of what seem to be freedom. To put it simply, it can be manipulated and abused.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: ASHLIUSZ on March 27, 2019, 12:56:57 PM
Democracy means of the people, by the people, for the people. This isn't possibly found on most of the democratic country. This way pure democracy at present isn't found anywhere. If the democratic governance is followed in the right way surely people will be experiencing a better living.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: BADecker on March 27, 2019, 04:03:26 PM
"Democracy," from Dictionary.com:
democracy
[dih-mok-ruh-see]

noun, plural de·moc·ra·cies.

1. government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.

2. a state having such a form of government: The United States and Canada are democracies.

3. a state of society characterized by formal equality of rights and privileges.

4. political or social equality; democratic spirit.

5. the common people of a community as distinguished from any privileged class; the common people with respect to their political power.

In other words, where is the democracy in any country? Democracy is great. But where do you find it?

What I mean is, if there is majority rule, what happened to the the government by the minority? Do the people of the minority suddenly become something other than people? If it is government by the majority but not the minority, then it is not a government by the people. Rather, it's a government by only some of the people.

When a government is rule by a majority, even if the majority is a group of people, it starts to fit into the definition of a dictatorship:
dictatorship
[dik-tey-ter-ship, dik-tey-]

noun

1. a country, government, or the form of government in which absolute power is exercised by a dictator.

2. absolute, imperious, or overbearing power or control.

3. the office or position held by a dictator.

What is a democracy, really? Isn't it a government where every person has complete authority, and nobody has authority over any of them?

Consider. If you want to use your personal governmental authority to steal property belonging to someone else, aren't you limited by the governmental authority of the other person when he says "NO" to you? You are limited because your government doesn't have authority over his government. Both of you have democratic rule whereever yours ends and his begins.

Yet, all over the USA, government people are doing things in and out of court, against other people, mostly without their agreement... at least in spirit.

The USA government might be closer to a democracy than most other countries. But it is definitely not a democracy. Rather, it is a form of dictatorship. It is dictatorial rule by the handful in government, even though it is said to be majority rule... majority rule, which is dictatorship by the majority over the minority.

Think about it, and then listen to Karl Lentz to see how to turn the USA back into the democracy that it is supposed to be - http://jurorinlaw.com/talkshoe/klentz/.

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Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: r1a2y3m4 on March 27, 2019, 06:30:20 PM
3)Elected leaders do not know the best interests of people
Actually they know but they don't give actions to what people wanted for their country. Since, they are the leaders of the country, they have what it takes to pass the law in the congress without asking for some ideas from those people who are against that kind of law.

4)Democracy leads to corruption.
Best reason for anti democratic country, yet not a great example to have in a country. It is visible in my country Philippines and it's viewed as one of the most corrupt country in Asia.

Democracy is great, but some leaders are greedy. And it leads to corruption.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: Daniel91 on March 27, 2019, 07:14:27 PM
Before we decide that democracy is bad and that we need ''something else'', first we should find what is better political system and what can replace democracy.
If we can't find anything better than we have no choice but to choose democracy or we will have anarchy and chaos in society.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: Ciscopro2000 on March 27, 2019, 10:38:05 PM
There is no perfect type of government, but I do prefer democracy over any others.  At least democracy give the people a voice in how they should be governed. 


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: BADecker on March 27, 2019, 11:16:46 PM
There is no perfect type of government. But if there were one thing added to government in the USA that would make it as close to perfect as it could get, it would be this. Formal training for all people in the whole copuntry so that they would clearly know that:
1. They can invoke a jury trial in any court case against them;
2. The jury formally knows that it can strike down any law in the case at hand;
3. That they can use a local jury to attack any State or Federal law made, and have it repealed for their local area, but at least for themselves;
4. That the jury is the judge; the magistrate (man in the black robe) is only a referee.

This includes jury control over all laws... even income tax laws.

The funny part isn't the fact that this exists, right now, throughout the entire USA. The funny part is that the people don't know it. Listen to Karl Lentz at http://jurorinlaw.com/talkshoe/klentz/.

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EDIT: Many of the Karl Lentz complete talks that existed all over the Net have been taken down. Download these to your computer before they are gone forever.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: Makka on March 27, 2019, 11:21:14 PM
There is no perfect type of government, but I do prefer democracy over any others.  At least democracy give the people a voice in how they should be governed. 

Sometimes letting the whole populace picking its leaders becomes bad when a state's literacy rate is too low.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: Ezenwanyi1 on April 19, 2019, 09:23:38 AM
I prefer a mix of democratic and military system of government.
The reason I said so is because the system of government being practiced in my country is democracy but it has no effect as it does not contribute to the development of the country.
This is because it's being taken advantage of due to it's lenient nature.
The Democratic system of government in Nigeria is being abused by leaders and even citizens.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: playbtcgame on April 20, 2019, 02:22:47 PM
It is high time we adapt to democratic system of government. This will be a time we got to make necessitated changes to help build the economy for the better.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: RamBahadur.Gurung on April 20, 2019, 03:04:06 PM
I would prefer monarchy or military rule to democracy. In my country, there was absolute monarchy until 2008, and a democratically elected government after that. During monarchy, corruption was at an absolute minimum. But ever since the fall of monarchy, there have been a steep rise in corruption and crime rate. On top of that, democracy always favor illiterate and unskilled ethnic groups which try to increase their population by not following family planning.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: tsaroz on April 20, 2019, 06:19:33 PM
Though democracy has it's cons, there are no any better alternative to democracy. It's only in democracy people experience full freedom and are mentally widely open to every new and old ideas.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: ZPW on April 22, 2019, 02:53:59 PM

democracy is certainly a rare trash. But so far the best for what people came ;D


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: BADecker on April 22, 2019, 04:52:03 PM
^^^ Second best. Anarchy-like libertarianism has democracy beat all over the place.

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Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: otto_diesel on April 22, 2019, 06:12:59 PM
Democracy have lots of bug.  Non-democratic people do not deserve democracy.   

     If a community has dark thoughts. They just have dark thoughts.

     If a community has dark thoughts and if they wants democracy, if they are talking about 7-24 about democracy, voting, freedom of speech etc.  They don't want Democracy.   

     So, a community has dark thoughts in their mind, talking about democracy and voting constantly.   what they want?

     They want your Head.

     Trust me they want your head. they want your life. they want to screw your life.

     Just look the Turkey.  They did a great revolution in 1920's.  Young turks lifted a wrecked society.   They give to women right to vote and to be elected in 1920's even before europe.


     For 70 years. in every election islamist won. They came step by step.  In the first years they were act same as Muslims parliamentarian in todays eu.  They use all of the opportunities of Democracy and humanity for destroy them.
     I born in a half-secular country, trying to be civilized and aiming to become an advanced county. I born in a republic.   
 

     Now i m living in a presential middle east country. There is no democracy in here.

     I have two advice to EU citizens;

     1.  Don't trust any kind of lie their saying. Don't compromise
     2.  (its more important)   Don't trust any Deceived Democracy warrior and humanist in society, they are fools.


     If you want to see the realty about how democracy and honorful people fail.   Just read about Turkey deeply.

 


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: Airbuxf on April 23, 2019, 04:20:16 PM
If country has some problems with economics/ bad constructed law/ internal or external conflict
and it needs quick reforms, it is impossible to introduce regulations quickly.
Same problem if changes have bad effects for people in short term and good effect in long term, because most people don't think about long term.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: chalkyys on April 24, 2019, 08:18:58 PM
Actually it depends on people of your country. If people has vision or they are enough educated; you might prefer democracy


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: Naida_BR on April 25, 2019, 09:25:05 AM
Here are some merits of democracy :
1)It is more accountable
2)The elected leaders need to perform better for their stability
3)Gives the people right to choose among the best
4)It enhances the dignity of a citizen

Demerits of democracy :
1)Leaders keep on changing leads to instability
2)It is all about political competition and power play
3)Elected leaders do not know the best interests of people
4)Democracy leads to corruption.

So which country would you prefer a democratic or non-democratic ?

I don't think that this is a dilemma. Of course, democracy is the best even with its flaws.
It is the less disastrous policy and citizens are able to tell their opinion and vote. This gives rights to everyone and equality is above all. Also, Corruption exists both in democratic and non-democratic policies.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: Altcoins enthusiast on April 26, 2019, 10:46:16 AM
Here are some merits of democracy :
1)It is more accountable
2)The elected leaders need to perform better for their stability
3)Gives the people right to choose among the best
4)It enhances the dignity of a citizen

Demerits of democracy :
1)Leaders keep on changing leads to instability
2)It is all about political competition and power play
3)Elected leaders do not know the best interests of people
4)Democracy leads to corruption.

So which country would you prefer a democratic or non-democratic ?
I prefer a democratic government and most of the development we have all over the world is as a result of people been able to come togather and correct themselves through democratical ways.  I hate dictatorship and self imposed governments .


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: jak3 on April 27, 2019, 05:10:47 PM
So in that sense, I can say almost every country in the world is Democratic, except North Korea of course and some other countries like them. Because this does not have right to speech maybe they do not have corruption like other countries but they do have people who are trying to escape their administrators that also a form of corruption at a very small rate. No matter whatever you do no country can become a fully democratic country or non-democratic country without going to a lot of trouble. So no country in the world is perfect till now


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: Daniel91 on April 28, 2019, 12:16:32 PM
So in that sense, I can say almost every country in the world is Democratic, except North Korea of course and some other countries like them. Because this does not have right to speech maybe they do not have corruption like other countries but they do have people who are trying to escape their administrators that also a form of corruption at a very small rate. No matter whatever you do no country can become a fully democratic country or non-democratic country without going to a lot of trouble. So no country in the world is perfect till now

Unfortunately, there are currently many more countries in which democracy does not exist like Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, etc. and also many countries where democracy is limited like China, Russia, Turkey etc.
Yes, we don't have perfect country yet because democracy is not perfect political system.
However, until we find something better, democracy should remain because alternatives do not exist now (right alternatives).



Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: haseeb ahmed on May 01, 2019, 08:55:53 PM
Yes democracy is good but if its a proper democracy not a partial and paralyzed one. Democracy give right to every single person to choose best for a country and it saves the basic right of every individual. And at the end Worst democracy is better than best martial law.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: xtests on May 02, 2019, 01:53:59 AM
It actually depends... In 2019 many people have very different understanding of the term, so, this word should be used carefully. For one democracy is *i dont care about anyone* for other is something more polite


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: okala on May 02, 2019, 11:37:07 AM
Democracy in it true spirit is a government for the people by the people according to Abraham Lincoln, and in an ideal Democratic state the power belong to the people which is how it suppose to be any thing outside that can be term non Democratic. But many nations practicing democracy today never obey this fundamental rule of the system but despite that the worst form of democracy is far better then dictatorship so democracy continues I say yes to democracy.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: BADecker on May 02, 2019, 04:24:32 PM
^^^ Which people does the power belong to in a Democracy? Doesn't it look like the power belongs to the majority because of the vote? This means that the minority doesn't have the power. So, the minority doesn't have self governance. But that isn't democratic, is it?

On top of that, the power of the majority in a place like the USA isn't exercised by the majority. Who is it exercised by? It's exercised by the tiny group of people in government, the representatives, who are given the power of the majority, to fulfill the requirements that the majority dictate.

But do these reps follow the dictates of the majority? Sometimes. But often they don't. And you can tell by the fact that they are all voted out of office now and again. The point is, neither the minority OR the majority have the power in a Democracy. Who has the power in a Democracy? The handful of representatives running the government have the power.

What does this mean? It means that a Democracy is Dictatorship-by-a-Group rather than Dictatorship-by-one-person.

Do you like Democracy? If so, you like Dictatorship.

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Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: omonuyak on May 02, 2019, 08:57:44 PM
There is no perfect type of government, but I do prefer democracy over any others.  At least democracy give the people a voice in how they should be governed. 
People can determine who lead them in democracy and I strongly believe that during democracy country do wetness growth and development compared to other form of government.  If the whole world embracing democracy we would have developments and the level of poverty will reduce.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: BADecker on May 03, 2019, 01:54:18 AM
^^^ Guess what. If you have a leader, you aren't self-governing.     8)


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: Spendulus on May 03, 2019, 02:07:03 AM
There is no perfect type of government, but I do prefer democracy over any others.  At least democracy give the people a voice in how they should be governed.  
People can determine who lead them in democracy and I strongly believe that during democracy country do wetness growth and development compared to other form of government.  If the whole world embracing democracy we would have developments and the level of poverty will reduce.

If you like the idea of sociopaths and psychopaths in government, pick socialism.

If you like the idea of sociopaths and psychopaths in business, pick democracy.

Any other questions?


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: wallycoin on May 03, 2019, 08:45:49 AM
Thing is, that many people do not understand the word "democracy". Democracy is not about running elections to give authority to a small group of people. The only democracy is a direct democracy where all people has an influence on any decision. This kind of democracy is the purest, though extremely expensive to implement. Like, imagine having a referendum each day on multiple questions. Maybe blockchain and internet is the solution after all.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: Lizzylove1 on May 03, 2019, 09:31:15 AM
Someone once stated that the problem of democracy is that "It's a majority vote that decides the leader and majority can be wrong", this I read from one of Dr Myles Munroe publications. While Sir Wilson Churchill inferred that  "democracy is the worst form of government apart from the rest". Democracy may lead to sycophantic leader been elected in a multi ethic country, this way, the best may never get to power, sometimes they just sell lies to the people. Although most world population think and believe democracy is the best form of government.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: BADecker on May 03, 2019, 03:25:02 PM
Have you ever heard of hacking electronic voting machines to manipulate the vote?

Do you remember the name "Joseph Stalin?" He ruled in Russia in the 1900s. He murdered as many as 100 million of his own people.

Consider the following quote, widely attributed to the USSR's Communist leader Joseph Stalin: "It's not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the votes." At first blush, it seems curious as to why a totalitarian dictator, who never had to stand for public election, would even care about votes at all. But is it just another net hoax, or could the quote have some context to actually be attributed to the strongarm leader?

...

Variations on the Stalin Quote

It bears noting that more than one version of the attributed statement exists. For example, this more formal variant is cited at least as often as the one we've been discussing: "Those who cast the votes decide nothing; those who count the votes decide everything."

One historical source for a version of the quote comes from Boris Bazhanov's "Memoirs of Stalin's Former Secretary," published in 1980 in Paris and 2002 in Moscow and appearing to be available only in French and in Russian.

The pertinent passage, which appears near the end of chapter five, reads as follows (loosely translated with the help of Google):

"You know, comrades," says Stalin, "that I think in regard to this: I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this—who will count the votes, and how." A search of the Stalin Internet Library yielded nothing resembling the quote in the Soviet leader's published writings, though the possibility remains that it could have been excerpted from an unpublished speech or private conversation.

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Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: playbtcgame on May 05, 2019, 01:29:15 AM
I cannot live in a country where democracy doesn't exist. Never!!!! There are most times you would want to voice out issues that are very pressing and through democracy, you will be there to hit up.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: BADecker on May 05, 2019, 08:45:56 PM
The more they vaccinate us, the more we are finding out that you won't live in any country that vaccinates.


Merck FAKED mumps vaccine research (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/260641-2019-05-04-merck-faked-mumps-vaccine-research.htm)



This is a cut and dried scientific and economic fraud funded by a likely bribed USA government.  there is zero grey area in the whole situation.  The whistle blowers were part of the scheme.
 
I do want you to understand something.  The whole Vaccine racket will be crushed late this year. This specifically gives us the core case in black and white.  If you are an investor, this looks grim for Merck. 
 
Have you been watching the corporate marriage of Bayer and Monsanto?  Roundup is now destroying both of them while the chinese continue pushing the chemicals, now out of patent.
 
Expect all the Vaccine laws to be repealed with prejudice....

1       Consider that it is reasonable to posit that all infectious disease collapsed thanks to universal access to clean water and sanitation.
2       Consider that the Spanish flue was a failed vaccination experiment.
3       Consider that Merck is running a fraud.
4       Consider that the gold rush underway merely recklessly increases dosages of foreign agents into the blood stream.

You see the emerging picture?  What still appears tangible keeps fading away.  Successes are possible for local events judiciously applied.  The big successes were the application of cow pox to prevent human small pox.  Do the rest have a similar clear biological pathway to success?


8)


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: Daniel91 on May 08, 2019, 06:14:47 PM
I cannot live in a country where democracy doesn't exist. Never!!!! There are most times you would want to voice out issues that are very pressing and through democracy, you will be there to hit up.

Many people don't have free choice like you and me.
They are born in some place, belong to some nationality sex or religion, and can't avoid it.
So, democracy is mostly about freedom, free choices etc.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: kotajikikox on June 04, 2019, 10:47:00 PM
Yes able you to do things freewill.an ex. In voting,working night,graveyard,having a party and enjoy freely.
people humanity are the power in the country.
you can do what ever you want as long as you follow all the laws been done under the democracy  countries.
Yes to democracy.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: AliErkic on June 05, 2019, 12:45:09 AM
Ofcourse, democracy is our best item. Vote DEMOCRATS if you are for democracy, vote REPUBLICANS if you are for republic. Easy  8)


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: BADecker on June 05, 2019, 04:50:41 AM
Pure Democracy is just mob justice where the minority have zero personal rights. I prefer a Constitutional Republic with a limited democratic element as we have in the US to choose our representatives. We need to enforce the laws we already have, not rebuild the whole system.

Even in it, the system is broken. Let's say California has 100 people in it and has 50 electorate seats. 51 voted for Hillary and 49 for trump. Wouldn't it be mob justice to give all the 50 seats of California to Hillary? Or say Texas has 50 seats and 51 voted for trump and thus trump gets all 50 seats of Texas. How about alloting number of seats in proportional to percentage of voters from a state?

^^^ This is kinda the point of simple libertarianism.

In the State of 100 people, if there is a 51 to 49 vote, let the 51 have whomever they voted for, and let the 49 have whomever they voted for.

Then, let the 26 of the 51 have whomever they voted for, and the 25 of the 51 have whomever they voted for... and let the 25 of the 49 have whomever they voted for, and the 24 of the 49 have whomever they voted for.

Keep on going with this until every person is his own government... except in one thing. The person who harms some other person loses his rights and personal governance inasmuch as he harmed the other. But it has to be real harm... not some silly thing like saying a simple racist word, except when saying it really harms someone... not some silly emotional hurt feelings because the one hurt should really stop off at his shrink's office for a long visit.

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Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: TimeBits on June 05, 2019, 06:43:18 AM
1. Vote for myself yes? and my pay myself, make the rules
2. Let other people vote for me? and pay them, they make the rules

option 1 seems the most logical.

https://i.imgur.com/haz02ll.png

Otherwise you get fucks who have spent 104 million on golf trips rather than housing the homeless and feeding all the working class for life.


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: BADecker on June 05, 2019, 12:19:00 PM
Pure Democracy is just mob justice where the minority have zero personal rights. I prefer a Constitutional Republic with a limited democratic element as we have in the US to choose our representatives. We need to enforce the laws we already have, not rebuild the whole system.

Even in it, the system is broken. Let's say California has 100 people in it and has 50 electorate seats. 51 voted for Hillary and 49 for trump. Wouldn't it be mob justice to give all the 50 seats of California to Hillary? Or say Texas has 50 seats and 51 voted for trump and thus trump gets all 50 seats of Texas. How about alloting number of seats in proportional to percentage of voters from a state?

^^^ This is kinda the point of simple libertarianism.

In the State of 100 people, if there is a 51 to 49 vote, let the 51 have whomever they voted for, and let the 49 have whomever they voted for.

Then, let the 26 of the 51 have whomever they voted for, and the 25 of the 51 have whomever they voted for... and let the 25 of the 49 have whomever they voted for, and the 24 of the 49 have whomever they voted for.

Keep on going with this until every person is his own government... except in one thing. The person who harms some other person loses his rights and personal governance inasmuch as he harmed the other. But it has to be real harm... not some silly thing like saying a simple racist word, except when saying it really harms someone... not some silly emotional hurt feelings because the one hurt should really stop off at his shrink's office for a long visit.

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Lol.
 
I don't disagree. By your point, I conclude that there can't be any ideal democracy because at the end, it's mob rule and majority will have a say even if majority is wrong.
Democracy has so many flaws that we neglect haha.

In the end, in a large democracy, the people voted into office hire others from the public to help them. Often they even contract from outside the country - like in the U.S. government they hire Thompsons from Canada to make codes out of the laws they pass, so that we follow codes, not laws. Then they act like a group dictator over both, the 51 and the 49, doing things and making laws that neither side wanted.

Not so "Lol" after all.

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Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: Rounaksarkar on June 05, 2019, 01:38:36 PM
There are so many countries in the world where people do not know the meaning of democracy word !! Such as North Korean. In my opinion , Democracy helps to make a good decision and the difference between the wrong and the right.When a child encounters some problem and tries to solve it then it is bad, if his parents allow him with democracy then he won't had such issues. !!!


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: iamsheikhadil on June 05, 2019, 05:55:53 PM
There are so many countries in the world where people do not know the meaning of democracy word !! Such as North Korean. In my opinion , Democracy helps to make a good decision and the difference between the wrong and the right.When a child encounters some problem and tries to solve it then it is bad, if his parents allow him with democracy then he won't had such issues. !!!
Parents, children and democracy ? :P

How about a single parent with two children? I would love to see their democracy :P


Title: Re: Democracy Yes OR No ???
Post by: BADecker on June 05, 2019, 07:18:20 PM
There are so many countries in the world where people do not know the meaning of democracy word !! Such as North Korean. In my opinion , Democracy helps to make a good decision and the difference between the wrong and the right.When a child encounters some problem and tries to solve it then it is bad, if his parents allow him with democracy then he won't had such issues. !!!
Parents, children and democracy ? :P

How about a single parent with two children? I would love to see their democracy :P

That's why probably all countries have an age of majority.     8)