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Title: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: twosum on February 15, 2019, 02:32:11 AM
No, don't speculate... that is what they always tell us but FOMO aside, what's the fun if there is no emotional speculation!

I feel we as traders could be considered as speculative consumers, and if that is partly the truth wouldn't it be cool if the digital asset that we are speculating on was something we had whole ownership of?

I am building a game inspired by trading crypto, in the form of digital racehorse ownership on the blockchain. Haven't you always wanted to own your own racehorse any way?

Come over an take a glimpse, any feedback is welcome. https://www.zed.run

Make sure you follow the hype by joining our Discord chat. https://discord.gg/sNgA5Zu

https://i.imgur.com/jHB9Amp.jpg


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: karungbitcoin on February 15, 2019, 08:36:02 AM
Speculation is nearly the same like gambling, but trading is activity that the same like others business that we should be use risk management and trading plan. Beside that we should be have knowledge about technical analysis and how to predict trend of crypto market.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: twosum on February 15, 2019, 12:16:38 PM
Speculation is nearly the same like gambling, but trading is activity that the same like others business that we should be use risk management and trading plan. Beside that we should be have knowledge about technical analysis and how to predict trend of crypto market.

Well said, and agree.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Findingnemo on February 15, 2019, 12:49:59 PM
Successful trader don't speculate,they will use the speculation of other to make money,this is what you are trying to say?

I really don't trade a lot but when I trade I don't use much of analysis,I just see the actual current market state and decide based on it.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: omonuyak on February 15, 2019, 01:02:07 PM
Speculations is part of trading because we cannot accurately predicts the movements of coins and we can speculate it and if it move in the favor of our speculations we make profits and if it goes against us we lose.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Gridness on February 15, 2019, 01:04:38 PM
Trader Speculate??
Trader need skill and knowledge about trading.
And the last is lucky factor


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Kopyleft on February 15, 2019, 01:17:37 PM
Trading is a form of gambling, based on speculations using available tools, depending on your skills and also the element of luck, some believe it is more luck that skill, that would not account for the regular success of traders.
We can not deny the fact that the market is unpredictable, one can only give their best guess on it's direction.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: rose9696 on February 15, 2019, 01:41:34 PM
No, don't speculate... that is what they always tell us but FOMO aside, what's the fun if there is no emotional speculation!

I feel we as traders could be considered as speculative consumers, and if that is partly the truth wouldn't it be cool if the digital asset that we are speculating on was something we had whole ownership of?

I am building a game inspired by trading crypto, in the form of digital racehorse ownership on the blockchain. Haven't you always wanted to own your own racehorse any way?

Come over an take a glimpse, any feedback is welcome. https://www.zed.run

Make sure you follow the hype by joining our Discord chat. https://discord.gg/sNgA5Zu

https://i.imgur.com/jHB9Amp.jpg
I quite like analyzing and speculating in an application or a game. Because I have quite a lot of different strategies and I want to test it with little money.
Will your game satisfy my requirements? Do I have to pay fees to participate or any constraints?
Please reply me and I will support your application.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: D3m1r4wanti on February 15, 2019, 01:43:27 PM
speculation is a natural thing for a trader, sometimes from that speculation they get unexpected benefits, but this is also sometimes dangerous when we do excessive speculation.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Bunsomjelican on February 15, 2019, 02:16:52 PM
No, don't speculate... that is what they always tell us but FOMO aside, what's the fun if there is no emotional speculation!

I feel we as traders could be considered as speculative consumers, and if that is partly the truth wouldn't it be cool if the digital asset that we are speculating on was something we had whole ownership of?

I am building a game inspired by trading crypto, in the form of digital racehorse ownership on the blockchain. Haven't you always wanted to own your own racehorse any way?

Come over an take a glimpse, any feedback is welcome. https://www.zed.run

Make sure you follow the hype by joining our Discord chat. https://discord.gg/sNgA5Zu

https://i.imgur.com/jHB9Amp.jpg


I am much preferred on doing trade based on the actual happening in the platform rather than giving any speculations.
Sometimes giving speculations is getting the attention of others in accordance to what I had noticed here in the forum even
in the social medias as well.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Indamuck on February 15, 2019, 02:38:07 PM
Speculation is nearly the same like gambling, but trading is activity that the same like others business that we should be use risk management and trading plan. Beside that we should be have knowledge about technical analysis and how to predict trend of crypto market.

It is like gambling but with much better odds if you are actually an intelligent person.  I know even the smartest can get wrecked but more often than not you will have winning decisions if you are patient and don't fall for the manipulation.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: adzino on February 15, 2019, 03:30:37 PM
Speculation is nearly the same like gambling, but trading is activity that the same like others business that we should be use risk management and trading plan. Beside that we should be have knowledge about technical analysis and how to predict trend of crypto market.

It is like gambling but with much better odds if you are actually an intelligent person.  I know even the smartest can get wrecked but more often than not you will have winning decisions if you are patient and don't fall for the manipulation.
Don't compare trading with gambling. Gambling and trading are two different things. Gambling depends totally on luck (talking about games like dice and slots) where you have no control over your bet amount. In case of trading, you have a better edge on controlling your losses. You can back out anytime from trading and reducing your overall losses (compare it with bet amount when betting. You can't remove your bet once palced. You either win or lose everything. But in case of trading, you want withdraw your investment and save some of it).

Come over an take a glimpse, any feedback is welcome. https://www.zed.run

Make sure you follow the hype by joining our Discord chat. https://discord.gg/sNgA5Zu

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Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on February 15, 2019, 03:30:51 PM
I am a speculator, I am not an investor, I could not be an investor because I simply do not have much money, I only take advantage of some windows of the market to operate, for this you must learn to understand the market, and this is achieved only when you read books, but not books. technical analysis or chartist figures, Wyckoff is a great teacher ... you should start there.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: danherbias07 on February 15, 2019, 09:46:51 PM
It is difficult to stop speculating for most of the times. Gossips are pulling us from it. ;D

That is why I dont want to be joining a telegram group of the token that I am trading or even follow their twitter.
Mostly at those times is when I speculate. Trying to wait for more because of their updated news of a dump or a pump.

Stop following them and you are good. ;D


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: abstractednerve on February 15, 2019, 10:00:01 PM
Speculations is part of trading because we cannot accurately predicts the movements of coins and we can speculate it and if it move in the favor of our speculations we make profits and if it goes against us we lose.
Perfect and honest answer! Everybody in crypto does speculate because it is a part of the crypto industry! Traders are not sure what will happen with their token in the next few days, we trade with belief/speculate! Sometimes our speculation goes well and we make a profit and sometimes we not. So, My opinion is, Trader does speculate.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Chachacoin17 on February 15, 2019, 11:59:14 PM
I am a speculator, I am not an investor, I could not be an investor because I simply do not have much money, I only take advantage of some windows of the market to operate, for this you must learn to understand the market, and this is achieved only when you read books, but not books. technical analysis or chartist figures, Wyckoff is a great teacher ... you should start there.
If you're a speculator then why you aren't start trading? Being a trader speculative ideas can reach out every people's idea so that it will feed him up with great decisions which provide them the best trading skills. Most traders really don't speculate by their own perspectives, but do listen with other ideas which later on becomes a firm decisions to follow.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: milewilda on February 16, 2019, 01:50:03 AM
Speculations is part of trading because we cannot accurately predicts the movements of coins and we can speculate it and if it move in the favor of our speculations we make profits and if it goes against us we lose.
Perfect and honest answer! Everybody in crypto does speculate because it is a part of the crypto industry! Traders are not sure what will happen with their token in the next few days, we trade with belief/speculate! Sometimes our speculation goes well and we make a profit and sometimes we not. So, My opinion is, Trader does speculate.
Traders or investors do really speculate and with this kind of market it cant really be avoided for you to make such guess on the actions you had made.You will always presume that price would headed
that way but somehow it do always depend on how you do analyze such current state and as a trader you would definitely need to presume things together with your own trading ways.
You will see if its effective or not it does depend anytime and outcomes would only depend with this very unpredictable market. About on that trading horse, sounds a new concept but i dont still fully understand.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: cydrix on February 16, 2019, 02:01:32 AM
No, don't speculate... that is what they always tell us but FOMO aside, what's the fun if there is no emotional speculation!

I feel we as traders could be considered as speculative consumers, and if that is partly the truth wouldn't it be cool if the digital asset that we are speculating on was something we had whole ownership of?

I am building a game inspired by trading crypto, in the form of digital racehorse ownership on the blockchain. Haven't you always wanted to own your own racehorse any way?

Come over an take a glimpse, any feedback is welcome. https://www.zed.run

Make sure you follow the hype by joining our Discord chat. https://discord.gg/sNgA5Zu

https://i.imgur.com/jHB9Amp.jpg
Smooth af im kinda amazed by your content here at first it was focused on how you could control what's essential on trading but the longer you explain the longer you divert our attention to advertising your own work. True it may seem idiotic to not rely on speculation since it may lead failure. Speculating or not if you are trading you are already gambling your money. Why not take the chances lol i like the way you think...


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: BitcoinHunt3r on February 16, 2019, 06:34:00 AM
Trader is human, sometime professional trader also speculate with market. Especially if market is unreadable right now. And about speculator trader is look like gambling, maybe it is true, but at least they wouldn't use all their money maybe.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: ityandsyn on February 16, 2019, 12:14:48 PM
No, don't speculate... that is what they always tell us but FOMO aside, what's the fun if there is no emotional speculation!

I feel we as traders could be considered as speculative consumers, and if that is partly the truth wouldn't it be cool if the digital asset that we are speculating on was something we had whole ownership of?


      Yes that's true , that traders wouldn't speculate because they always base and monitored on the tabulated data for reference for daily trading so they set aside the speculation mindset.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: playboy654 on February 16, 2019, 03:04:14 PM
No, don't speculate... that is what they always tell us but FOMO aside, what's the fun if there is no emotional speculation!

I feel we as traders could be considered as speculative consumers, and if that is partly the truth wouldn't it be cool if the digital asset that we are speculating on was something we had whole ownership of?

I am building a game inspired by trading crypto, in the form of digital racehorse ownership on the blockchain. Haven't you always wanted to own your own racehorse any way?

Come over an take a glimpse, any feedback is welcome. https://www.zed.run

Make sure you follow the hype by joining our Discord chat. https://discord.gg/sNgA5Zu

https://i.imgur.com/jHB9Amp.jpg
trading field always been like gambling but the differences we don't make any scariest and riskiest thing in trading so speculation will always be important for all type of investment but more than that in trading field we need to more alert to pick the right time.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: marcous on February 16, 2019, 03:23:44 PM
It's not wrong to have speculation, but I personally as a trader don't speculate when taking profit because it will only make it out of focus. For day traders, taking 5-10% profit every day is enough. Taking profits doesn't need much speculation I guess.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Ararbermas on February 16, 2019, 03:26:02 PM
Expert doesn't speculate but for me  when it comes beginners probably yes. which is speculation about the direction of growth rate or what will happen in the future, for example " if they trade such this kind of situation" which there's no way they will not make a speculation for their safety.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Oceat on February 16, 2019, 04:08:20 PM
Who said experts don't speculate?

There is no definite answer when they were trading because they can't control the people who are trading the market.
Speculating doesn't give an exact answer but trading is like gambling, you have to guess the nearest possible outcome of your trading plan because if not then you will totally gonna lose all of your money.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Hivalley on February 16, 2019, 04:16:27 PM
If there were to be a high level of certainly in cryptocurrency investments,then speculations wouldn't be required,but trading and speculation going hand in glove,as there are no sureties or any assurance of what's to come,so as not to invest blindly,investing speculatively is required.
Speculations could most times have beneficial and unimaginable results at the end of the trade


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: mersal on February 16, 2019, 05:29:32 PM
No, don't speculate... that is what they always tell us but FOMO aside, what's the fun if there is no emotional speculation!

I feel we as traders could be considered as speculative consumers, and if that is partly the truth wouldn't it be cool if the digital asset that we are speculating on was something we had whole ownership of?

I am building a game inspired by trading crypto, in the form of digital racehorse ownership on the blockchain. Haven't you always wanted to own your own racehorse any way?

Come over an take a glimpse, any feedback is welcome. https://www.zed.run

Make sure you follow the hype by joining our Discord chat. https://discord.gg/sNgA5Zu

https://i.imgur.com/jHB9Amp.jpg
yes you are right traders work must be different from other gender of money making because if we speculate something it will not been happened at all time so be on time at all day to make your profit more higher when the time was put if you think about making the another chance then it will not be in the right idea for you to stay here.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: whirlcoin on February 16, 2019, 06:38:08 PM
No, don't speculate... that is what they always tell us but FOMO aside, what's the fun if there is no emotional speculation!

I feel we as traders could be considered as speculative consumers, and if that is partly the truth wouldn't it be cool if the digital asset that we are speculating on was something we had whole ownership of?

I am building a game inspired by trading crypto, in the form of digital racehorse ownership on the blockchain. Haven't you always wanted to own your own racehorse any way?

Come over an take a glimpse, any feedback is welcome. https://www.zed.run

Make sure you follow the hype by joining our Discord chat. https://discord.gg/sNgA5Zu

https://i.imgur.com/jHB9Amp.jpg
I agree your opinion about trading because speculation will made into different direction the work from our self was being concentrate and the market to check the development and falling each and every time while we are selling and buying it will be the most important thing for a trader.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: sheenshane on February 16, 2019, 09:12:51 PM
I agree your opinion about trading because speculation will made into different direction the work from our self was being concentrate and the market to check the development and falling each and every time while we are selling and buying it will be the most important thing for a trader.
Of course, some do. Speculation sometimes makes you win but it is more like you are trying to bet if your speculation will work. Speculation is like sort of gambling indeed, you don't base your decision with theories, evidence and so on(pure luck). You just go ahead and do it. Technical analysis is a must in trading but if you want to try your luck, you can actually speculate.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: BitHodler on February 16, 2019, 11:51:48 PM
It's not wrong to have speculation, but I personally as a trader don't speculate when taking profit because it will only make it out of focus.
Selling (profit taking is part of it, even if it concerns just a smaller fraction) is just as speculative as buying to sell higher. Pretty much everything we do here is based on speculation, even as hodler not selling for years....

For day traders, taking 5-10% profit every day is enough.
You make it sound like 5-10% in daily profits is peanuts, but it definitely isn't, especially not in the more recent months with less and less volatility to utilize. Don't believe random people on the internet claiming to make x profits.

If people were really making that much in profit on a daily basis, they wouldn't waste their time on the internet trolling and convincing noobs how good they are. There is no shortage of idiots here in the world of crypto....


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Tamilson on February 17, 2019, 10:57:33 PM
It's not wrong to have speculation, but I personally as a trader don't speculate when taking profit because it will only make it out of focus.
Selling (profit taking is part of it, even if it concerns just a smaller fraction) is just as speculative as buying to sell higher. Pretty much everything we do here is based on speculation, even as hodler not selling for years....

Yeah, everything is speculation so why these people saying traders don't speculate? And I don't see anything wrong in doing speculation. If a person is being a FOMO then it's his fault because he should know that he shouldn't never be that.

For day traders, taking 5-10% profit every day is enough.
You make it sound like 5-10% in daily profits is peanuts, but it definitely isn't, especially not in the more recent months with less and less volatility to utilize. Don't believe random people on the internet claiming to make x profits.

If people were really making that much in profit on a daily basis, they wouldn't waste their time on the internet trolling and convincing noobs how good they are. There is no shortage of idiots here in the world of crypto....

Well maybe he's actually getting that, I wonder what his strategy for 5 - 10% daily profit ;b
while me if I'll get 2% I feel like I'm a real pro hahahah.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: voztata on February 19, 2019, 03:48:43 PM
For day traders, taking 5-10% profit every day is enough.
You make it sound like 5-10% in daily profits is peanuts, but it definitely isn't, especially not in the more recent months with less and less volatility to utilize. Don't believe random people on the internet claiming to make x profits.

If people were really making that much in profit on a daily basis, they wouldn't waste their time on the internet trolling and convincing noobs how good they are. There is no shortage of idiots here in the world of crypto....
Yes that is right, but I think that in such a modern time when internet has become too much common, even in backward countries almost every person have the facilities of using internet. I think that in current time there are a lot of opportunities of finding jobs and other ways of making money from internet, may their income is not too much but at least they can make a reasonable money from there. Therefore, I think that it is really not good if a person is wasting their time on the internet trolling and even giving much time social media.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: boty on February 19, 2019, 04:12:25 PM
It's not wrong to have speculation, but I personally as a trader don't speculate when taking profit because it will only make it out of focus. For day traders, taking 5-10% profit every day is enough. Taking profits doesn't need much speculation I guess.
there are a lot of traders who are still speculating on prices but many also determine the price of coin movements from looking at charts that occur in market conditions so that from the graphs there are traders who can determine the right position to buy and sell coins.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: St4yInTh3D4rk on February 19, 2019, 05:41:08 PM
It's not wrong to have speculation, but I personally as a trader don't speculate when taking profit because it will only make it out of focus. For day traders, taking 5-10% profit every day is enough. Taking profits doesn't need much speculation I guess.
there are a lot of traders who are still speculating on prices but many also determine the price of coin movements from looking at charts that occur in market conditions so that from the graphs there are traders who can determine the right position to buy and sell coins.
Charts are the most used indicator by the traders so they will speculate using the movements and try to get something out from the current situation.

But no one can accurately predict the market of right time to buy and sell so learn the risk involving on crypto trading before doing or turning into be a trader.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Japinat on February 20, 2019, 08:28:11 AM
I always speculate but I don't need an expert opinion to affect my speculation.
We are in a speculative market so speculation is just a normal thing for us. You posted this thread, say something about speculation
but your real agenda was just to invite us to join in your discord channel, I think you are looking for some clients.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: creeps on February 20, 2019, 08:59:50 AM
Speculation is nearly the same like gambling, but trading is activity that the same like others business that we should be use risk management and trading plan. Beside that we should be have knowledge about technical analysis and how to predict trend of crypto market.
That's why indicators are being used in trading so they don't need to speculate. Traders predict the price through this tools or even without this as long as they know the basic. We should really have at least some background on how do technical analysis because if there is none, then probably you're not trading at all because its more on gambling. 


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: matchi2011 on February 20, 2019, 10:26:05 AM
Speculation is nearly the same like gambling, but trading is activity that the same like others business that we should be use risk management and trading plan. Beside that we should be have knowledge about technical analysis and how to predict trend of crypto market.
That's why indicators are being used in trading so they don't need to speculate. Traders predict the price through this tools or even without this as long as they know the basic. We should really have at least some background on how do technical analysis because if there is none, then probably you're not trading at all because its more on gambling. 
Indicators bring hints for traders to do actions, they will be moved when seeing the pattern according to the indications that they believe
that can bring them good calls, without analyzations, everything will turned into a luck based activity same alike  gambling with your
fate, better to have good knowledge with trade indicators.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: D3m1r4wanti on February 20, 2019, 11:05:26 AM
speculation is indeed something that is harmful to the capital that we have sometimes too far in speculating will cause the loss of assets that we have.
but sometimes we can get unexpected benefits from the speculation.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Noa_Amable on February 20, 2019, 01:31:53 PM
Speculation is nearly the same like gambling, but trading is activity that the same like others business that we should be use risk management and trading plan. Beside that we should be have knowledge about technical analysis and how to predict trend of crypto market.

not exactly.
I would say Speculation is the same as Trading. If we speak about more or less professional trading.
Trading requires a knowledge basement - yes. But Speculating also requires knowledge about what do you speculate and why you can get profits.
So, I would say successfull trading is speculating.

unexpected profits or blind trading is not the same as speculation - it is gambling.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: futile-resistance on February 20, 2019, 01:34:56 PM
Who said experts don't speculate?

There is no definite answer when they were trading because they can't control the people who are trading the market.
Speculating doesn't give an exact answer but trading is like gambling, you have to guess the nearest possible outcome of your trading plan because if not then you will totally gonna lose all of your money.
But, again there are so many kinds of them. They might even trade in the market with down prices. Speculating no doubt makes it more interesting and the risk in the investment is something that pays off only when there is a rise. A fall may take you down. So they do speculate and trade in the same time. But, what matters the most is your investment plan which should be very rational and made keeping every aspect in mind.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: yvesp110 on February 20, 2019, 06:13:23 PM
Speculation is nearly the same like gambling, but trading is activity that the same like others business that we should be use risk management and trading plan. Beside that we should be have knowledge about technical analysis and how to predict trend of crypto market.
In speculation, we make use of the exchange rate fluctuation. The exchange rate goes up and you sell. This is called exchange rate arbitrage. But this is risky because the exchange rate could go down as well despite going up so speculation is rather adored by those who are the risk takers. A speculator could be trader but a trader could not always be speculator.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: BlueStackz on February 21, 2019, 03:43:46 PM
When you speculate, you are not show of what would be the next outcome, this is very bad for a trader to do because you will be trading on luck and loss a lots of money. Some traders take money from people to trade, if they speculate then they will lose a lot of money.

I believe we as traders don't speculate but calculate, we watch the market trend and where it's going then take advantage of it. When we will be more accurate with our calculations and analysis then the chances of making big profits will be much higher. So, traders should not just focus on speculations alone but must focus on all types of analysis too.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: ongkok87 on February 21, 2019, 04:14:43 PM
Expert doesn't speculate but for me  when it comes beginners probably yes. which is speculation about the direction of growth rate or what will happen in the future, for example " if they trade such this kind of situation" which there's no way they will not make a speculation for their safety.
I agree with you for now that speculation does not have to be used for the safety of all of us because the important thing is that we can benefit


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Noa_Amable on February 22, 2019, 01:03:08 PM
Speculation is nearly the same like gambling, but trading is activity that the same like others business that we should be use risk management and trading plan. Beside that we should be have knowledge about technical analysis and how to predict trend of crypto market.
In speculation, we make use of the exchange rate fluctuation. The exchange rate goes up and you sell. This is called exchange rate arbitrage. But this is risky because the exchange rate could go down as well despite going up so speculation is rather adored by those who are the risk takers. A speculator could be trader but a trader could not always be speculator.

100% correct.
trader could be a hodler but a speculator is always a trader (or a gambler)


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: gabmen on February 22, 2019, 01:26:59 PM
Speculation is nearly the same like gambling, but trading is activity that the same like others business that we should be use risk management and trading plan. Beside that we should be have knowledge about technical analysis and how to predict trend of crypto market.
In speculation, we make use of the exchange rate fluctuation. The exchange rate goes up and you sell. This is called exchange rate arbitrage. But this is risky because the exchange rate could go down as well despite going up so speculation is rather adored by those who are the risk takers. A speculator could be trader but a trader could not always be speculator.

100% correct.
trader could be a hodler but a speculator is always a trader (or a gambler)

Well, from the word speculate itself dudes. It's like making a decision based on rumors around the market. Though sometimes, speculating goes hand in hand with trading since what you hear in the news and reports could highly influence your decisions, hence you're speculating about what the outcome would be based on the reports.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: FIFA worldcup on February 23, 2019, 10:36:14 AM
Who said experts don't speculate?

There is no definite answer when they were trading because they can't control the people who are trading the market.
Speculating doesn't give an exact answer but trading is like gambling, you have to guess the nearest possible outcome of your trading plan because if not then you will totally gonna lose all of your money.
But, again there are so many kinds of them. They might even trade in the market with down prices. Speculating no doubt makes it more interesting and the risk in the investment is something that pays off only when there is a rise. A fall may take you down. So they do speculate and trade in the same time. But, what matters the most is your investment plan which should be very rational and made keeping every aspect in mind.

A trader speculates the price of a coins and if he thinks it will go up, he will buy that coin. So trading is actually speculation of the price. If you use bitmex, then it is pure speculation where you are able to make good money if you can correctly speculate the upward or downward direction of the coins.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: BitcoinTurk on February 23, 2019, 03:06:44 PM
Speculation is not something very different from the fact. For that reason, I think that the speculation made by unsuccessful investors is speculating and gaining an environment of fear in the market. A successful trader already knows how to take the step, so he does not use such methods and earns revenue based on his own decisions. Of course, speculation in this market has now become an ordinary event in our daily lives, but as I said in the first sentence, I see these methods as a robbery usually made by simple people.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: maxreish on May 01, 2019, 02:38:44 PM
They said there are two types of people in crypto society.
One is a speculator and the other one is a true believer of crypto. But for me, speculation is either a false news or serves as our guide on which way should we take in or which prediction should we believe. But we should remember that we don't have to rely on the speculations only. We have to set our real purpose and trust our own analysis.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: pey on May 01, 2019, 04:03:13 PM
Seems like a more interesting game than cryptokitties and in that genre, but buying a horce without even being able to play the game is not different than buying ico coins...


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: jrrsparkles on May 01, 2019, 04:13:36 PM
They said there are two types of people in crypto society.
One is a speculator and the other one is a true believer of crypto. But for me, speculation is either a false news or serves as our guide on which way should we take in or which prediction should we believe. But we should remember that we don't have to rely on the speculations only. We have to set our real purpose and trust our own analysis.
Traders have to react to the speculations because wich is the reaction of common investors emotion so a smart investor need to use ti to make profits.

Most of the traders just fall for the speculation without analysing it which makes them to be in loss rather than profits.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: --DarkSecrets-- on May 01, 2019, 06:13:03 PM
They said there are two types of people in crypto society.
One is a speculator and the other one is a true believer of crypto. But for me, speculation is either a false news or serves as our guide on which way should we take in or which prediction should we believe. But we should remember that we don't have to rely on the speculations only. We have to set our real purpose and trust our own analysis.
Yes, everyone is speculating from now 80-90% of crypto enthusiasts that is waiting for this and who saw this pump of bitcoin would speculate. Other are also speculating in some of the alternative coins in the market. It is a part of trading a thing in mind that a person thinks ahead of what might happen in price.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: rizkyhiw on May 01, 2019, 06:49:29 PM
They said there are two types of people in crypto society.
One is a speculator and the other one is a true believer of crypto. But for me, speculation is either a false news or serves as our guide on which way should we take in or which prediction should we believe. But we should remember that we don't have to rely on the speculations only. We have to set our real purpose and trust our own analysis.
Traders have to react to the speculations because wich is the reaction of common investors emotion so a smart investor need to use ti to make profits.

Most of the traders just fall for the speculation without analysing it which makes them to be in loss rather than profits.
Perhaps the simplest way is to find a decline, namely by buying at a fairly cheap price or red market and selling green which is the most widely used trick to simplify analysis because everyone is not too smart in analyzing only partially, indeed speculating is not recommended for anyone at least trying to read market conditions to increase knowledge.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: jrrsparkles on May 02, 2019, 05:43:53 AM
They said there are two types of people in crypto society.
One is a speculator and the other one is a true believer of crypto. But for me, speculation is either a false news or serves as our guide on which way should we take in or which prediction should we believe. But we should remember that we don't have to rely on the speculations only. We have to set our real purpose and trust our own analysis.
Traders have to react to the speculations because wich is the reaction of common investors emotion so a smart investor need to use ti to make profits.

Most of the traders just fall for the speculation without analysing it which makes them to be in loss rather than profits.
Perhaps the simplest way is to find a decline, namely by buying at a fairly cheap price or red market and selling green which is the most widely used trick to simplify analysis because everyone is not too smart in analyzing only partially, indeed speculating is not recommended for anyone at least trying to read market conditions to increase knowledge.
When someone is not good at the analysing the market then being a long term trader is better thing rathe than trying day trading where we are not good at it,but when we want to make more profits we have to try the things from our comfort zone for that we cn practice the simulators or very less capital to day trade and try to learn as much as you can then make yourself as a pro level trader.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Yamifoud on May 02, 2019, 07:31:27 AM
Seems like a more interesting game than cryptokitties and in that genre, but buying a horce without even being able to play the game is not different than buying ico coins...
In that case, I'd better not be in crypto trading. It is just a suicidal action we've made and nowhere to go.
As a trader not just do speculations but also doing TA to know what the possible market trend in the coming days. But considering how volatile the market is, we aren't in a hundred percent accurate for our TA's.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Japinat on May 02, 2019, 07:43:23 AM
They said there are two types of people in crypto society.
One is a speculator and the other one is a true believer of crypto. But for me, speculation is either a false news or serves as our guide on which way should we take in or which prediction should we believe. But we should remember that we don't have to rely on the speculations only. We have to set our real purpose and trust our own analysis.
Yes, everyone is speculating from now 80-90% of crypto enthusiasts that is waiting for this and who saw this pump of bitcoin would speculate. Other are also speculating in some of the alternative coins in the market. It is a part of trading a thing in mind that a person thinks ahead of what might happen in price.
If we don't speculate, we will not become a successful trader.
Price movement is what we are looking as we are predicting whether it will go up or down, or touch a certain amount, and we cannot only
based on the price trends as this market can move with hypes and FUD, that's why news is also relevant and a big factor to consider.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Cherylstar86 on May 02, 2019, 09:17:27 AM
Seems like a more interesting game than cryptokitties and in that genre, but buying a horce without even being able to play the game is not different than buying ico coins...
In that case, I'd better not be in crypto trading. It is just a suicidal action we've made and nowhere to go.
As a trader not just do speculations but also doing TA to know what the possible market trend in the coming days. But considering how volatile the market is, we aren't in a hundred percent accurate for our TA's.

 Exactly, trader's speculation was based on how the market phase run in the current scenario. Somehow, we can speculate by our own experience and determination to engage people around to keep optimism for the possible outcome. But speculating an accurate vision is hard to determine due of high market volatilization and its fluctuation that can affect the recovery into declination.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: chengha937 on May 02, 2019, 09:44:23 AM
I think speculation plays an important role in trading because if a trader picks the right trade and speculates accurately then it’s very likely to have high returns. When we say high returns it also means that high risk, so strongly advise to those who are interested in trading, one needs to study first how trading works and do a lot of research to fully understand the system. Trading is not a joke that you can just easily trade without speculating correctly because it could mean a waste of time, effort and also resources. I’ve tried trading in the past and I just use instinct instead of speculating properly and it cost me a lot of fortune. Therefore, trading needs proper speculation to have high chances of high returns.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: BlackPanda on May 02, 2019, 10:01:49 AM
Seems like a more interesting game than cryptokitties and in that genre, but buying a horce without even being able to play the game is not different than buying ico coins...
In that case, I'd better not be in crypto trading. It is just a suicidal action we've made and nowhere to go.
As a trader not just do speculations but also doing TA to know what the possible market trend in the coming days. But considering how volatile the market is, we aren't in a hundred percent accurate for our TA's.
Basically a trader must be able to take advantage of every momentum, a trader must be able to make decisions according to the existing market situation.
A Trader cannot remain silent because when they are silent they will be in a bad phase, a trader must dare to make a decision.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: TravelMug on May 03, 2019, 04:17:21 AM
Of course, everyone is this market speculate or make wild educated guess. That's why media is dominated by those so called experts, calling this X price will be achievable in X month and then people starts to buy.

It has it's pros and cons. That's why smarts investors learn how to trade, ride the waves and easily books profits whether we are in bear or bullish trend.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: CryptopreneurBrainboss on May 03, 2019, 04:51:38 AM
I think speculation plays an important role in trading because if a trader picks the right trade and speculates accurately then it’s very likely to have high returns.

The moment they engage in speculation trading instead of carryout research, relying on experience or reading and understanding the movement of the charts, they seize to be worthy of been called a trader. They become more of a gambler which rely on luck as a major factor for winning and most times they can't replicate their wins. Trading I always say is more than just buying and selling, it's a skills which involves learning, practice, experience, dedication etc. If a trader don't have any of these I don't think
that individual is worthy of been called a trader, he/she is just a gambler.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Btc_1856 on May 03, 2019, 05:16:48 AM
Speculation is nearly the same like gambling, but trading is activity that the same like others business that we should be use risk management and trading plan. Beside that we should be have knowledge about technical analysis and how to predict trend of crypto market.
In speculation, we make use of the exchange rate fluctuation. The exchange rate goes up and you sell. This is called exchange rate arbitrage. But this is risky because the exchange rate could go down as well despite going up so speculation is rather adored by those who are the risk takers. A speculator could be trader but a trader could not always be speculator.

100% correct.
trader could be a hodler but a speculator is always a trader (or a gambler)

Even in trading, there are many people who belong to the holding but people who want to make short term money will always be more speculator about the market conditions. Every time their speculation won't be correct but they will move according to the market situation.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Ipwich on May 03, 2019, 06:21:12 AM

Even in trading, there are many people who belong to the holding but people who want to make short term money will always be more speculator about the market conditions. Every time their speculation won't be correct but they will move according to the market situation.

Short term traders has more experience in trading as they can do trades more often.
As the market remains volatile, it could give them more opportunity to trade, and if they make mistakes, they can always correct it and will aim to be consistent along the way. We may have some bad call in trading but if we learn, we can turn things around and we can be profitable.

Speculation? that's normal for traders.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: TheUltraElite on May 03, 2019, 06:26:59 AM
Seems like a more interesting game than cryptokitties and in that genre, but buying a horce without even being able to play the game is not different than buying ico coins...
Some people do it for the game some so it for money and some just follow the trend just to sell it when the time comes. In the market do not trust anybody creating a new trend. Kitties is old now but we see new ones every now and then.

Speculation happens on these topics and they get driven above the price charts. Are they worth putting money into? That's your personal decision but I feel they are not worth the time taking into consideration that you have monitor them and spend time on them. Who does that when you can just buy Bitcoin and hold.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Capt00 on May 03, 2019, 06:35:00 AM
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Speculation? that's normal for traders.
This is true, traders always have prediction and that is binary traders which is rely on guessing the strategy. So, why they don't speculate since speculation is very useful to some traders aside from their analysis or tools that they used. Traders speculations were base on their decision and they have the right to speculate their own since trading is more based in prediction thing, so I think there's nothing wrong in speculating the market and follow your heart beat on you are going to predict.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: ausbit on May 03, 2019, 11:58:36 AM
They said there are two types of people in crypto society.
One is a speculator and the other one is a true believer of crypto. But for me, speculation is either a false news or serves as our guide on which way should we take in or which prediction should we believe. But we should remember that we don't have to rely on the speculations only. We have to set our real purpose and trust our own analysis.
Traders have to react to the speculations because wich is the reaction of common investors emotion so a smart investor need to use ti to make profits.

Most of the traders just fall for the speculation without analysing it which makes them to be in loss rather than profits.
Perhaps the simplest way is to find a decline, namely by buying at a fairly cheap price or red market and selling green which is the most widely used trick to simplify analysis because everyone is not too smart in analyzing only partially, indeed speculating is not recommended for anyone at least trying to read market conditions to increase knowledge.
When someone is not good at the analysing the market then being a long term trader is better thing rathe than trying day trading where we are not good at it,but when we want to make more profits we have to try the things from our comfort zone for that we cn practice the simulators or very less capital to day trade and try to learn as much as you can then make yourself as a pro level trader.
Real trader wok with full analysis of the market and not based on speculation alone, speculation plays much more of a active role in long term trading to short term trading.

It will not be wise for us to be a day trader and live our life of trading based on speculation, because speculative news could be very misleading if we base our judgment on it alone, we have to strongly rely on the technical and fundamental analysis tool to be able to trade differently from others and be a successful day trader, but when it comes to long term trade, speculation could be a very great toll for value increase.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: rijaljun on May 03, 2019, 12:57:50 PM
Well, I agree that we don't need to speculate. FOMO is just for them who are not willing to learn something that related to their area. if we have enough knowledge to do anything, we can speculate it, even it won't be right but at least we have a reasonable basis.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: goaldigger on May 03, 2019, 02:20:57 PM
No, don't speculate... that is what they always tell us but FOMO aside, what's the fun if there is no emotional speculation!

I feel we as traders could be considered as speculative consumers, and if that is partly the truth wouldn't it be cool if the digital asset that we are speculating on was something we had whole ownership of?

I am building a game inspired by trading crypto, in the form of digital racehorse ownership on the blockchain. Haven't you always wanted to own your own racehorse any way?

Come over an take a glimpse, any feedback is welcome. https://www.zed.run

Make sure you follow the hype by joining our Discord chat. https://discord.gg/sNgA5Zu

https://i.imgur.com/jHB9Amp.jpg

I guess the OP is just posting this topic because it will cover his main purpose which is promoting his site.

With regards with the topic, trading is a hundred percent speculation that it even considered as breathing. With this relies the decision making which makes trading profitable. You dont speculate, you will not choose wisely then you lose everything.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: carter34 on May 03, 2019, 02:51:14 PM
I really don't trade a lot but when I trade I don't use much of analysis,I just see the actual current market state and decide based on it.

I'm also trading this pattern, not looking at speculation always but moving with market vibes. I think this is also what Op is trying to say in his topic.

Really most times looking at the speculated data, you can be confused.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: gilangIDR on May 03, 2019, 03:26:05 PM
A Trader must be required to make various decisions smartly. A Trader does sometimes require speculation, but speculation cannot ensure profit. A trader needs accurate data, when he has obtained accurate data analysis, then a skilled trader will be able to make the right decision. Traders are not just an easy job, a trader must be willing to think and work hard to determine the best decision.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: 19Nov16 on May 03, 2019, 03:48:35 PM
Well, I agree that we don't need to speculate. FOMO is just for them who are not willing to learn something that related to their area. if we have enough knowledge to do anything, we can speculate it, even it won't be right but at least we have a reasonable basis.

Exactly, being a trader, of course we have to learn and be able to make analysis, we must be patient to be a pro, if we only rely on speculation, we cannot survive to make a profit with trading.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: begau on May 03, 2019, 11:25:32 PM
No, don't speculate... that is what they always tell us but FOMO aside, what's the fun if there is no emotional speculation!

I feel we as traders could be considered as speculative consumers, and if that is partly the truth wouldn't it be cool if the digital asset that we are speculating on was something we had whole ownership of?

I am building a game inspired by trading crypto, in the form of digital racehorse ownership on the blockchain. Haven't you always wanted to own your own racehorse any way?

Come over an take a glimpse, any feedback is welcome. https://www.zed.run

Make sure you follow the hype by joining our Discord chat. https://discord.gg/sNgA5Zu

https://i.imgur.com/jHB9Amp.jpg
I think good traders make a lot of money in the crypto market. Because they can capture the market very well, they can both speculate when the market is volatile but sometimes they don't speculate and trade in days along with the analysis is very sensitive and effective. I don't have a lot of capital so I can't speculate because I can't trade.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: sana54210 on May 04, 2019, 10:12:09 AM
I think speculation plays an important role in trading because if a trader picks the right trade and speculates accurately then it’s very likely to have high returns.

The moment they engage in speculation trading instead of carryout research, relying on experience or reading and understanding the movement of the charts, they seize to be worthy of been called a trader. They become more of a gambler which rely on luck as a major factor for winning and most times they can't replicate their wins. Trading I always say is more than just buying and selling, it's a skills which involves learning, practice, experience, dedication etc. If a trader don't have any of these I don't think
that individual is worthy of been called a trader, he/she is just a gambler.
I totally agree with at least 90% of your point but I think you missed out when you made it look like any trader that engages in speculation is no trader. You have to break the type of trading down, even when a trader has fulfilled all the listed attributes in your point, they will still not go far without speculation, it is when they speculate using intuition rather than the Technical analysis tool that they become a gambler.

The TA tool we have been talking about, is it not more of a speculative tool? And any trader cannot trade successfully with making use of Technical and analysis tool, so not all traders that engage in speculation sometime are not traders, it just depends on how professional they are about it.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: TheUltraElite on May 05, 2019, 07:17:28 AM
Well, I agree that we don't need to speculate. FOMO is just for them who are not willing to learn something that related to their area. if we have enough knowledge to do anything, we can speculate it, even it won't be right but at least we have a reasonable basis.
Speculation does not always mean being fomo. It can just be predictions at to what price is going to be on a future date and then preparing accordongly from beforehand. The Reddit storm of speculation is definitely cancerous and something to avoid. Most of the accounts there are just shills promoting their shitcoins and blabbering like kids playing in the backyard.

But normal secularism does happen and the wall observe threads are proof of that.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Caladonian on May 05, 2019, 07:30:09 AM
Well, I agree that we don't need to speculate. FOMO is just for them who are not willing to learn something that related to their area. if we have enough knowledge to do anything, we can speculate it, even it won't be right but at least we have a reasonable basis.
Speculation does not always mean being fomo. It can just be predictions at to what price is going to be on a future date and then preparing accordongly from beforehand. The Reddit storm of speculation is definitely cancerous and something to avoid. Most of the accounts there are just shills promoting their shitcoins and blabbering like kids playing in the backyard.

But normal secularism does happen and the wall observe threads are proof of that.
Preparing your target and setting up your mindset to make sure that you already condition everything for proper accordance to what extent you think that value  will be  reached, there's always people who will shares point of views in order to gain attentions, they will try to promote and brings something out from what they've think market will go, real traders won't relied on it but to create its own directions.

You can take some information and research if there's potential before doing any risk of following the flow.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: CryptopreneurBrainboss on May 05, 2019, 07:34:09 AM
If a trader don't have any of these I don't think
that individual is worthy of been called a trader, he/she is just a gambler.
it is when they speculate using intuition rather than the Technical analysis tool that they become a gambler.

This might he your understanding but i still stand on my above statement, A speculative trader is a gambler not a trader. When you have all the figures right, that's you must have done your research through reading technical analysis and experience and what you do then is called prediction not speculation. Speculation involves the guessing the direction of the movement of the price (in this case) cryptocurrency without any backing and the success of this practice always involves luck which most times can't be replicated but when that price guess has a backing it's called prediction and in this case it can always be replicated even by other traders by following your analysis.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: BeGoods on May 05, 2019, 09:41:41 AM
Speculation is nearly the same like gambling, but trading is activity that the same like others business that we should be use risk management and trading plan. Beside that we should be have knowledge about technical analysis and how to predict trend of crypto market.
In speculation, we make use of the exchange rate fluctuation. The exchange rate goes up and you sell. This is called exchange rate arbitrage. But this is risky because the exchange rate could go down as well despite going up so speculation is rather adored by those who are the risk takers. A speculator could be trader but a trader could not always be speculator.

100% correct.
trader could be a hodler but a speculator is always a trader (or a gambler)

Even in trading, there are many people who belong to the holding but people who want to make short term money will always be more speculator about the market conditions. Every time their speculation won't be correct but they will move according to the market situation.
Speculating is part of trading, you will do analysis and research of course you will have a speculation and prediction on the instruments you have, you cannot trade without speculation, will you depend on luck in trading? because you forget speculation


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: michellee on May 05, 2019, 01:06:24 PM
Why can we not speculate? Is it because if we speculate, it means we play gambling? I don't think so, because with making speculation, we can try to make a bigger profit. With speculating the price, we could make a better analysis that could help us to gain more profit. One example, we are guessing the bitcoin price will increase at $6,100, and we analyze the trend so we can predict that price. While the price is starting to increase and break $6,060, we still stay with our speculate price and not sell if the price does not reach $6,100.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Mpamaegbu on May 05, 2019, 01:10:28 PM
Well, I agree that we don't need to speculate.
Whether in cryptocurrency or offline business, speculation is part of it. How do you think a business will bring you money before you go into if you don't draw up your expectations as feasibility study. While you do that, it's called speculation. If you fail to do that, that means you have already planned for your business to fail.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: --DarkSecrets-- on May 05, 2019, 01:31:43 PM
Why can we not speculate? Is it because if we speculate, it means we play gambling? I don't think so, because with making speculation, we can try to make a bigger profit. With speculating the price, we could make a better analysis that could help us to gain more profit. One example, we are guessing the bitcoin price will increase at $6,100, and we analyze the trend so we can predict that price. While the price is starting to increase and break $6,060, we still stay with our speculate price and not sell if the price does not reach $6,100.
I also think how the thread poster said trader don't speculate. Speculating is natural to every trader. To clear up some stuffs prediction is also speculating how you think for the next price movements or numbers. Everyone is free to estimate, predict and speculate and it is one of the traders characteristic.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Ucy on May 05, 2019, 02:58:23 PM
Your digital horseracing sounds like the typical gambling games or is just mere gaming.
Is it blockchain/crypto based like the ethereum cryptokitties collectible thing?


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: BlueStackz on May 06, 2019, 06:32:10 PM
Well, I agree that we don't need to speculate. FOMO is just for them who are not willing to learn something that related to their area. if we have enough knowledge to do anything, we can speculate it, even it won't be right but at least we have a reasonable basis.
Speculation does not always mean being fomo. It can just be predictions at to what price is going to be on a future date and then preparing accordongly from beforehand. The Reddit storm of speculation is definitely cancerous and something to avoid. Most of the accounts there are just shills promoting their shitcoins and blabbering like kids playing in the backyard.

But normal secularism does happen and the wall observe threads are proof of that.
Sometimes when I see some speculations, I am sorry to say, I usually ask myself if the person was even born with brain at all to see that there is no sense in what he or she is speculating, some people come here on this platform to just play around and say whatever they like without basing it on facts and real life things. The worst people are even the ones that act on their speculation too without making further findings.

This is the reason why majority of them are not even traders, because I believe there is no professional trader that will just speculate with intuition or emotion without really studying the analysis severally to arrive at a final reasonable conclusion.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: jvdp on May 06, 2019, 06:45:52 PM
Traders are capable and best people to do crypto market speculation because they are looking market growth and dump all the time. They can speculate the specific cryptocurrency very easily than the others who do this as main job.
I will not go with op, if hr understand it even he will tell the same.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on May 06, 2019, 08:02:02 PM
Well you have to see it from the point of view that you want to be, if you need to speculate there are many analyzes that should always be taken into account, if what you want is to speculate the best is to follow the trend line of least resistance like Jesse Livermore.

There are many people who prefer to invest instead, but to do this you must take into account that you have to have money and time, if there is already a previous investment, what each investor does is Hold with his investment until he can make a profit.

In my case I do not have the availability of investment, because I always prefer to follow the direction the market takes, for this reason it is always necessary to analyze the market and enter when there is a good opportunity, in my case I speculate days, months, very little short term, since it always seems to me that it is much more risky short-term trading or scalping.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Mrengage on May 06, 2019, 10:04:16 PM
No, don't speculate... that is what they always tell us but FOMO aside, what's the fun if there is no emotional speculation!

I feel we as traders could be considered as speculative consumers, and if that is partly the truth wouldn't it be cool if the digital asset that we are speculating on was something we had whole ownership of?

I am building a game inspired by trading crypto, in the form of digital racehorse ownership on the blockchain. Haven't you always wanted to own your own racehorse any way?

Come over an take a glimpse, any feedback is welcome. https://www.zed.run

Make sure you follow the hype by joining our Discord chat. https://discord.gg/sNgA5Zu

https://i.imgur.com/jHB9Amp.jpg

Definitely fomo they said it's fun. I believe many that don't understood the market regards a pro or a NEWBIES as at when they come in trading for the first time he or she will fomo and loose some capital. For a good way to make it to the top next time. We don't have to speculate the market. We just have to master it and understand it.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Ultimist on May 06, 2019, 10:46:05 PM
Well it all depends on the experience of the trader, I believe. At first, we all just speculate, but then, when we get experience, we begin to make transactions with the mind and it is not like speculation. These are already considered trading decisions.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Polar91 on May 07, 2019, 02:17:17 AM
Well it all depends on the experience of the trader, I believe. At first, we all just speculate, but then, when we get experience, we begin to make transactions with the mind and it is not like speculation. These are already considered trading decisions.
Even experienced and professional traders speculate too. The difference is their basis of their speculation. There's nothing wrong in speculating before or in actual trading as our speculation can sort out the best option to make.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: ringgo96 on May 07, 2019, 06:27:15 AM
Well it all depends on the experience of the trader, I believe. At first, we all just speculate, but then, when we get experience, we begin to make transactions with the mind and it is not like speculation. These are already considered trading decisions.
The trader must speculate first before he trades because he speculates to profit from price fluctuations. if only everyone's experience can do that, but if done both will definitely make it easier to make a profit even if it's small.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Ayiranorea on May 07, 2019, 06:52:32 AM
Being into trade is to earn, with trading the earning is through the difference between the buying and selling difference. The market used to fluctuate with relation to the speculation and the circulation taking place within the market. In this way traders will speculate to experience some form of fluctuation in the market.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: cheng07 on May 09, 2019, 09:24:04 AM
I think as a trader you have to speculate to make sure that you trade right, because if you're able speculate correctly then there's high chances of gains compared to just trade randomly. For me, trading is not something that we should be joking around because it can mean we may lose a lot of money. Thus, if you want to be successful in trading you have to have good speculation.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: BitBustah on May 09, 2019, 09:50:58 AM
You can be long term bullish and still try to increase you bitcoin amount by day trading.  Some of these altcoins move 10 percent or more in a day so if you are strategic about your orders you can rapidly grow your coin stack.  I've been doing a little bit of trading myself recently trying to scoop up some alts that have really low btc prices right now..


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: JeffBrad12 on May 09, 2019, 12:20:01 PM
Well it all depends on the experience of the trader, I believe. At first, we all just speculate, but then, when we get experience, we begin to make transactions with the mind and it is not like speculation. These are already considered trading decisions.
The trader must speculate first before he trades because he speculates to profit from price fluctuations. if only everyone's experience can do that, but if done both will definitely make it easier to make a profit even if it's small.
They will do speculation to increase their capacity to create a prediction about the market movement. That means traders must do a lot of speculation to get profit from the market. but that's not easy as you said when it comes to the manipulation market and traders must be careful with it. A lot of traders have thought if they have created the best prediction but at the end of the story and they are being failed to get profit and ended in loss. I have seen those cases so many times.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: TGD on May 09, 2019, 01:40:34 PM
Well it all depends on the experience of the trader, I believe. At first, we all just speculate, but then, when we get experience, we begin to make transactions with the mind and it is not like speculation. These are already considered trading decisions.
Speculation were from Newbies, I guess we all start as speculators until we get to learned to have some basis on what we trade and how the graph works.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: senyorito123 on May 09, 2019, 02:16:20 PM
Well it all depends on the experience of the trader, I believe. At first, we all just speculate, but then, when we get experience, we begin to make transactions with the mind and it is not like speculation. These are already considered trading decisions.
Speculation were from Newbies, I guess we all start as speculators until we get to learned to have some basis on what we trade and how the graph works.
Traders are not born, they are made. We all started from scratch, as beginners, , but with the willingness to explore and learn, traders become experts and influencers. They too face challenges, failures, and mistakes, the journey may be rough, but with strong will to succeed and with positive mindset they become learned and experienced.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: lovesybitz on May 09, 2019, 03:30:45 PM
No, don't speculate... that is what they always tell us but FOMO aside, what's the fun if there is no emotional speculation!

I feel we as traders could be considered as speculative consumers, and if that is partly the truth wouldn't it be cool if the digital asset that we are speculating on was something we had whole ownership of?

I am building a game inspired by trading crypto, in the form of digital racehorse ownership on the blockchain. Haven't you always wanted to own your own racehorse any way?

Come over an take a glimpse, any feedback is welcome. https://www.zed.run

Make sure you follow the hype by joining our Discord chat. https://discord.gg/sNgA5Zu

https://i.imgur.com/jHB9Amp.jpg

As I can see with the community We have here in the forum, majority of them are in a hurry always to get profit in trading.
On which is commonly happened for the newbies who came here in this business industry, which is wrong according to analysis.
All of us here actually, are free to give their own speculation regarding about in trading. And most of the time traders speculate
based on their experienced in trading.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: semobo on May 09, 2019, 05:59:20 PM
Traders will use the price movement on the market no matter where it comes from,sometimes big traders will use the speculation to manipulate the prices and will get profits from it.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: bitgolden on May 10, 2019, 11:19:14 AM
I think as a trader you have to speculate to make sure that you trade right, because if you're able speculate correctly then there's high chances of gains compared to just trade randomly. For me, trading is not something that we should be joking around because it can mean we may lose a lot of money. Thus, if you want to be successful in trading you have to have good speculation.
Everything about trade to me is still speculation, because I do not think we canreally do without speculating, it just depends on how the speculation is being done, we have childish speculation and we have matured speculation based on my own type.

A childish speculation is the one you see people just pick a value without any reason and believe in their heart using intuition, while a matured one is the one you use all available analysis to arrive at, which are the technical analysis and fundamental analysis before one can speculate, that a trader should not speculate, I have a reservation about that.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: moynul2050 on May 10, 2019, 12:15:32 PM
It is better if the traders do not dare to speculate in trading, because if with speculation without experience or analysis, you will suffer losses. it is better for traders to follow the fluctuations in the coin traded.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: hen cet on May 18, 2019, 02:33:06 AM
Well it all depends on the experience of the trader, I believe. At first, we all just speculate, but then, when we get experience, we begin to make transactions with the mind and it is not like speculation. These are already considered trading decisions.
I believe crypto trading contains an element of speculation because price movements occur very quickly, in contrast to trading fiat currencies or stocks on the stock exchange ..
This difference causes the trader to determine the right time when buying or selling, the time difference can change in price. The stress level is higher, but profit or loss can be faster. The risk is big but the benefits are also big.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Muzika on May 18, 2019, 03:19:40 AM
Well it all depends on the experience of the trader, I believe. At first, we all just speculate, but then, when we get experience, we begin to make transactions with the mind and it is not like speculation. These are already considered trading decisions.
I believe crypto trading contains an element of speculation because price movements occur very quickly, in contrast to trading fiat currencies or stocks on the stock exchange ..
This difference causes the trader to determine the right time when buying or selling, the time difference can change in price. The stress level is higher, but profit or loss can be faster. The risk is big but the benefits are also big.

Trading requires some sort of speculating on the market and some technical analysis because if you only rely on speculating most of the time you will fail, speculations sometimes it will leads you to success and sometimes it will fail you unlike when you also had an analysis the most of chance will lead you to success.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: traderethereum on May 18, 2019, 10:53:15 PM
I guess many of us have speculated with what happens in the market and we are trying to predict the market movement, and then we place the order buy or sell to trying to get a profit.
Traders will speculate if the market is unpredictable because they don't have any information related to the market, and sometimes, they can make a profit by coincidence.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: loopes on May 18, 2019, 11:19:34 PM
Most of us speculate when invest in cryptocirrency. But this speculation is based on strong belief that cryptocurrency will be popular and make us rich. I only speculate in some cryptocurrency which likely has good future. There is no certainty about it but atleast I think I have enough experience to rate a project.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Kelvinid on May 18, 2019, 11:45:56 PM
I don't believe it cause we live into it since before either you are an investor or a trader. I know speculations aren't in a hundred percent accurate or possible to happen but we need to have like this to know what would strategies we apply in that case.
Market price never go straight right? This is how speculations apply and with the help of our own TA's, it will work fine.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: blackhawkeye1912 on May 18, 2019, 11:53:01 PM
Speculation-based trading is only for non-traders and newbies. They just want to earn bigtime without learning. They just rely on lucks and a bit of courage. These traders will least likely be successful. Cryptocurrency trading is very risky as they say, even riskier than other trading. Of course, you don't want to lose bigtime, right? So, learn to trade with the right techniques.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Shenzou on May 19, 2019, 01:43:39 AM
No, don't speculate... that is what they always tell us but FOMO aside, what's the fun if there is no emotional speculation!

I feel we as traders could be considered as speculative consumers, and if that is partly the truth wouldn't it be cool if the digital asset that we are speculating on was something we had whole ownership of?

I am building a game inspired by trading crypto, in the form of digital racehorse ownership on the blockchain. Haven't you always wanted to own your own racehorse any way?

Come over an take a glimpse, any feedback is welcome. https://www.zed.run

Make sure you follow the hype by joining our Discord chat. https://discord.gg/sNgA5Zu

There is nothing wrong with speculation, but don't just go throwing them around social media and forums, because people who are not that experienced with trading will see that and think that it is true and they go ahead and either sell or trade based on the those which will lead to losses, and that is basically what the big people and the influences do these days, they go around misleading people in an attempt of manipulate the market and change it to whatever is in their interest.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: PuertoLibre on May 19, 2019, 04:45:23 AM
No, don't speculate... that is what they always tell us but FOMO aside, what's the fun if there is no emotional speculation!

I feel we as traders could be considered as speculative consumers, and if that is partly the truth wouldn't it be cool if the digital asset that we are speculating on was something we had whole ownership of?

I am building a game inspired by trading crypto, in the form of digital racehorse ownership on the blockchain. Haven't you always wanted to own your own racehorse any way?

Come over an take a glimpse, any feedback is welcome. https://www.zed.run

Make sure you follow the hype by joining our Discord chat. https://discord.gg/sNgA5Zu

There is nothing wrong with speculation, but don't just go throwing them around social media and forums, because people who are not that experienced with trading will see that and think that it is true and they go ahead and either sell or trade based on the those which will lead to losses, and that is basically what the big people and the influences do these days, they go around misleading people in an attempt of manipulate the market and change it to whatever is in their interest.
First of all, speculation is the root of all evil in the financial markets. It leads to disbelief after repeating the same trapping strategy and draining the blood of the new traders. Traders are like small plankton and chance is high for them to get beaten by bigger market players.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Caladonian on May 19, 2019, 04:56:44 AM
Well it all depends on the experience of the trader, I believe. At first, we all just speculate, but then, when we get experience, we begin to make transactions with the mind and it is not like speculation. These are already considered trading decisions.
I believe crypto trading contains an element of speculation because price movements occur very quickly, in contrast to trading fiat currencies or stocks on the stock exchange ..
This difference causes the trader to determine the right time when buying or selling, the time difference can change in price. The stress level is higher, but profit or loss can be faster. The risk is big but the benefits are also big.

Trading requires some sort of speculating on the market and some technical analysis because if you only rely on speculating most of the time you will fail, speculations sometimes it will leads you to success and sometimes it will fail you unlike when you also had an analysis the most of chance will lead you to success.
More on technical analysis and following patterns, traders always find reasons and how things will affects the next  market movements, speculative trading
is mostly taking the risk as you don't have supporting factors why you place your entry or exit position, with analytical assessments and technical patterns you'll putting much higher chances to your trade and it will lessen the risk.

Traders always find a safer ways to earned and survive from this market, they will not just speculate but to judge situations according to their knowledge.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Rufsilf on May 21, 2019, 08:07:38 AM
I disagree, as far as I know even professional traders speculate, speculation plays a significant role in trading because if your are able to speculate accurately then you have high chances of getting profit. You can’t just trade without speculating because if you do then you might just lose.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Farma on May 21, 2019, 08:53:55 AM
I disagree, as far as I know even professional traders speculate, speculation plays a significant role in trading because if your are able to speculate accurately then you have high chances of getting profit. You can’t just trade without speculating because if you do then you might just lose.
speculation is important in the world of trade. with information, charts and more, we can make speculations, and possibilities that can occur in the future. although not 100%, I think that will be an important weapon of the world of commerce.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: jambul_kribo on May 21, 2019, 08:54:24 AM
I disagree, as far as I know even professional traders speculate, speculation plays a significant role in trading because if your are able to speculate accurately then you have high chances of getting profit. You can’t just trade without speculating because if you do then you might just lose.
without doing speculation its impossible for trader to gain huge profits.but they doing measureable speculation with good risk management previously.this is be their strategy in market in order to gain profits and accumulate their portofolio assets.without their speculation maybe we will  not see btc price on $19k.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: bravehearth0319 on May 21, 2019, 10:25:54 AM
I read some of the topic here in the forum saying that Trading was too risky once you get enter in the exchange platform.
In short, to become a good a trader you are risk taker, it means you are willing to risk your capital investment. You already accepted to yourself that you are a loser once you enter here. Therefore, We are all free to speculate things about your experience and whether it is good or bad, then its up to us if We are going to accept it or not.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on May 21, 2019, 02:17:39 PM
I have joined your Discord channel! Particularly I have always speculated, and your game is a very good initiative to be active, your idea of ​​the speculative market with respect to crypto is very good, you just have to improve the environment a bit to make it much more friendly, but in general terms I your gaming initiative seems good, and of course we are speculative consumers, in fact many of us in this market live what we can call trading, thanks to them we make decisions that have a lot to do with our emotions, and your game can focus on it for trading.

Trading has a lot to do with the game, of course, taking it from the point of view that we can make quick decisions and execute the system based on our strategies, some take the initiative to trade only by entering gambling mode, which It seems much more risky to leave everything to chance, in your game you can focus very well on those two senses, both for strategy and for gambling.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on May 21, 2019, 08:01:10 PM
I have joined your Discord channel! Particularly I have always speculated, and your game is a very good initiative to be active, your idea of ​​the speculative market with respect to crypto is very good, you just have to improve the environment a bit to make it much more friendly, but in general terms I your gaming initiative seems good, and of course we are speculative consumers, in fact many of us in this market live what we can call trading, thanks to them we make decisions that have a lot to do with our emotions, and your game can focus on it for trading.

Trading has a lot to do with the game, of course, taking it from the point of view that we can make quick decisions and execute the system based on our strategies, some take the initiative to trade only by entering gambling mode, which It seems much more risky to leave everything to chance, in your game you can focus very well on those two senses, both for strategy and for gambling.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: hyunee on May 21, 2019, 08:09:46 PM
Isn't it bitcoin reached this kind of price and isn't it that people made a lot of profits because of speculation? Dude, if nobody tried to speculate some things out of crytocurrency let's say bitcoin $100,000, nobody will hype the crowd and join cryptocurrency. We also need to speculate for hype. But, we need to understand that speculation comes with evidences.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: hahay on May 21, 2019, 08:19:57 PM
Isn't it bitcoin reached this kind of price and isn't it that people made a lot of profits because of speculation? Dude, if nobody tried to speculate some things out of crytocurrency let's say bitcoin $100,000, nobody will hype the crowd and join cryptocurrency. We also need to speculate for hype. But, we need to understand that speculation comes with evidences.
Without speculation, there will be no person who has confidence, because with the speculations that we make and then we will have assumptions for what happens next that makes us have a strong stance and can make strong decisions in trading. So trading without speculation will make you always affected by negative issues circulating which of course will make you always lose in trading.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: bonker on May 21, 2019, 08:40:00 PM
In sometime speculation also needed for a trader to predict something and make the profit without going with any other decision we will definitely got confused at the end that's why I was speculation is needed for the trader to got success.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Oceat on May 21, 2019, 09:27:04 PM
In sometime speculation also needed for a trader to predict something and make the profit without going with any other decision we will definitely got confused at the end that's why I was speculation is needed for the trader to got success.
We all speculate because no one knows what would be the right/closer price in order for us to make a trade. But of course, speculating need some close evidence that would make us believe that it would be the best price in cryptocurrency since the volatility of the market is very strong that it changes at any minute.

Trading without speculating might not be a good idea and it might lead you to somewhere if you don't know how to speculate.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: milewilda on May 22, 2019, 01:10:18 AM
No, don't speculate... that is what they always tell us but FOMO aside, what's the fun if there is no emotional speculation!

I feel we as traders could be considered as speculative consumers, and if that is partly the truth wouldn't it be cool if the digital asset that we are speculating on was something we had whole ownership of?

I am building a game inspired by trading crypto, in the form of digital racehorse ownership on the blockchain. Haven't you always wanted to own your own racehorse any way?

Come over an take a glimpse, any feedback is welcome. https://www.zed.run

Make sure you follow the hype by joining our Discord chat. https://discord.gg/sNgA5Zu

There is nothing wrong with speculation, but don't just go throwing them around social media and forums, because people who are not that experienced with trading will see that and think that it is true and they go ahead and either sell or trade based on the those which will lead to losses, and that is basically what the big people and the influences do these days, they go around misleading people in an attempt of manipulate the market and change it to whatever is in their interest.
It always been part of the market where FUD and shills do circle around when the market either on bull or bearish run.Big players would tend out to make such false news to drive out the market
according to their plan.
About on not to speculate, i dont think this would possible.Why?with this kind of unpredictable market you cant really avoid not to speculate things basing on what you are seeing.
Or in short its an inevitable thing for you to do or would face up as a trader.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: justspare on May 22, 2019, 09:26:39 AM
I disagree, as far as I know even professional traders speculate, speculation plays a significant role in trading because if your are able to speculate accurately then you have high chances of getting profit. You can’t just trade without speculating because if you do then you might just lose.
Like they say, a successful business man is a good listener; they do more of listening than talking. This is also applicable to a professional trader, instead of speculating, why not leave the dirty work to people out there to do, while you just listen to what direction their opinion will move the market.

We all know that this crypto currency market, it is driven my speculation, and instead of joining them and making unnecessary noise all over the internet, one could just listen more and see which of the speculation is high, is it uptrend speculation or downtrend speculation, it is when you listen carefully that you will be able to determine what to do.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Whosdaddy on May 23, 2019, 08:12:58 AM
No, don't speculate... that is what they always tell us but FOMO aside, what's the fun if there is no emotional speculation!

I feel we as traders could be considered as speculative consumers, and if that is partly the truth wouldn't it be cool if the digital asset that we are speculating on was something we had whole ownership of?

I am building a game inspired by trading crypto, in the form of digital racehorse ownership on the blockchain. Haven't you always wanted to own your own racehorse any way?

Come over an take a glimpse, any feedback is welcome. https://www.zed.run

Make sure you follow the hype by joining our Discord chat. https://discord.gg/sNgA5Zu

There is nothing wrong with speculation, but don't just go throwing them around social media and forums, because people who are not that experienced with trading will see that and think that it is true and they go ahead and either sell or trade based on the those which will lead to losses, and that is basically what the big people and the influences do these days, they go around misleading people in an attempt of manipulate the market and change it to whatever is in their interest.
It always been part of the market where FUD and shills do circle around when the market either on bull or bearish run.Big players would tend out to make such false news to drive out the market
according to their plan.
About on not to speculate, i dont think this would possible.Why?with this kind of unpredictable market you cant really avoid not to speculate things basing on what you are seeing.
Or in short its an inevitable thing for you to do or would face up as a trader.
I don’t even see anything that wrong in joining them to even speculate in any direction we want the market to go. If we are a trader, there will be a point where we will wish that the market do dip for us to buy and at that point is when we also support majority of FUD news we see in the market.

In other to increase the tempo, we have to speculate in that direction too while another point after we have successfully bought the dip we want, we also join the other set of people to speculate in favor of uptrend, it is just in a 2 way thing, but this basically works more for a short term trader and not an intraday trader, because when will a day trader have all the time to do speculation other than rely on his technical analysis.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: DoublerHunter on May 23, 2019, 08:26:44 AM
Speculating without clear references will turn you nothing but if you speculate that having a strong technical analysis and also references like graph reading in the previous market situation then, that isn't bad if you do that thing. Speculation is very important in trading but that is not just easy to do you have to study before you to speculate the market. The best thing to get more profit aside from speculation is the perfect timing while speculating if you have this then you've got a better profit, just do basic in trading buy in dip and sell in high price.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Farma on May 23, 2019, 08:42:06 AM
Speculating without clear references will turn you nothing but if you speculate that having a strong technical analysis and also references like graph reading in the previous market situation then, that isn't bad if you do that thing. Speculation is very important in trading but that is not just easy to do you have to study before you to speculate the market. The best thing to get more profit aside from speculation is the perfect timing while speculating if you have this then you've got a better profit, just do basic in trading buy in dip and sell in high price.
speculation is always an important weapon for trading. besides, speculation also allows you to combine accurate information, so that we can predict market prices that will occur in the future. I think without doing that, the risk in trading will be greater and may have the same risk as gambling.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: idham29 on June 07, 2019, 02:19:53 AM
Isn't it bitcoin reached this kind of price and isn't it that people made a lot of profits because of speculation? Dude, if nobody tried to speculate some things out of crytocurrency let's say bitcoin $100,000, nobody will hype the crowd and join cryptocurrency. We also need to speculate for hype. But, we need to understand that speculation comes with evidences.
Business is speculation, without it there is no challenge to get big profits because trade only runs flat. Entrepreneurs get rich because of speculation, meaning that the risks borne by the big are proportional to the profits obtained.
To trade crypto, the safest way to get a definite profit is to buy crypto then HODL until the price becomes expensive. For sale, then enjoy the profit. Being patient is the main factor because we don't know when prices will rise. That is the challenge.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: iv4n on June 07, 2019, 08:22:11 AM
Isn't it bitcoin reached this kind of price and isn't it that people made a lot of profits because of speculation? Dude, if nobody tried to speculate some things out of crytocurrency let's say bitcoin $100,000, nobody will hype the crowd and join cryptocurrency. We also need to speculate for hype. But, we need to understand that speculation comes with evidences.
Business is speculation, without it there is no challenge to get big profits because trade only runs flat. Entrepreneurs get rich because of speculation, meaning that the risks borne by the big are proportional to the profits obtained.
To trade crypto, the safest way to get a definite profit is to buy crypto then HODL until the price becomes expensive. For sale, then enjoy the profit. Being patient is the main factor because we don't know when prices will rise. That is the challenge.

I agree with that part that every business is speculation, trading is more speculating business from all others. Many times you do one thing, if its not good you try another and with deduction you find a solution, with trading you are always in trouble what to do next, what will price do, will it do the same as many times before or we will see some new type of swing.
In trading we don`t have what else to do, we speculate all the time with hope that we are right and that we will make some profit.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Aivaryamal on June 07, 2019, 02:37:36 PM
Traders do not speculate and earns both the fall and the growth of assets, not everyone will be able to cope with such activities, as it requires care, calculations, discipline and patience, this is not a niche where you can confidently buy a product and sell twice as expensive


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: ethereumhunter on June 07, 2019, 06:34:31 PM
Traders do not speculate and earns both the fall and the growth of assets, not everyone will be able to cope with such activities, as it requires care, calculations, discipline and patience, this is not a niche where you can confidently buy a product and sell twice as expensive

I don't think so because some of us speculate about the price movements and they speculate because the market is unpredicted. But they don't always speculate if they can find the right price to buy or sell because they have a guide in what price to trade. Speculate will have a risk but it is worth to do because when our speculation is right, we can make a lot of profit.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: BUK2016 on June 07, 2019, 06:54:58 PM
Since one is not certain in most cases as to where trend of the market will end or start another direction to some extent speculation cannot be separated from trading or trader's mind. Although, some people are of the believe that speculation is not different from gambling I don't blame them because they are entitled to their opinion.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Mahanton on June 07, 2019, 07:23:50 PM
Traders do not speculate and earns both the fall and the growth of assets, not everyone will be able to cope with such activities, as it requires care, calculations, discipline and patience, this is not a niche where you can confidently buy a product and sell twice as expensive

I don't think so because some of us speculate about the price movements and they speculate because the market is unpredicted. But they don't always speculate if they can find the right price to buy or sell because they have a guide in what price to trade. Speculate will have a risk but it is worth to do because when our speculation is right, we can make a lot of profit.
On point and definitely a true thing yet we are on a speculative market which means we do really need to speculate in order to make some possible profits if the market would move in according on what we do predicted.

The only thing that matters here that our speculations do have corresponding analysis attached to it.It might be unpredictable but having some basis on what you are doing
is always been better.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Tungsten-1 on June 08, 2019, 08:35:17 PM
Isn't it bitcoin reached this kind of price and isn't it that people made a lot of profits because of speculation? Dude, if nobody tried to speculate some things out of crytocurrency let's say bitcoin $100,000, nobody will hype the crowd and join cryptocurrency. We also need to speculate for hype. But, we need to understand that speculation comes with evidences.
Business is speculation, without it there is no challenge to get big profits because trade only runs flat. Entrepreneurs get rich because of speculation, meaning that the risks borne by the big are proportional to the profits obtained.
To trade crypto, the safest way to get a definite profit is to buy crypto then HODL until the price becomes expensive. For sale, then enjoy the profit. Being patient is the main factor because we don't know when prices will rise. That is the challenge.
This is very important advise I think and it is enough to make someone millionaire if he or she follows your advice. I bet you have been in the crypto for long and of course have made money in speculating these coins. OF course it is the risk that makes you money and if you are a risk taker, there are more chances that you will end up making money than losing it.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: cryptic4000 on June 09, 2019, 03:05:43 AM
I disagree, as far as I know even professional traders speculate, speculation plays a significant role in trading because if your are able to speculate accurately then you have high chances of getting profit. You can’t just trade without speculating because if you do then you might just lose.
speculation is important in the world of trade. with information, charts and more, we can make speculations, and possibilities that can occur in the future. although not 100%, I think that will be an important weapon of the world of commerce.
Most current traders consider this market a speculative market to make a big profit and they are only interested in making money. According to me, speculation is not bad but if this happens in the long term, this will affect the current market very much because they will sell when they reach the target and the value of that coin can decrease A very quick way if they hold a large number. I think speculators are in control of this market and they can decide the price increase of crypto at all times.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: emberbekas on June 09, 2019, 04:44:11 AM
Trading is a form of gambling, based on speculations using available tools, depending on your skills and also the element of luck, some believe it is more luck that skill, that would not account for the regular success of traders.
We can not deny the fact that the market is unpredictable, one can only give their best guess on it's direction.

Indeed, even though in trading, speculation can not be avoided. However, before we speculate, we must gather a lot of data to analyze. The results of the analysis are what we use to speculate. Of course there are still other things to consider such as money management.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: TheUltraElite on June 11, 2019, 12:31:52 PM
Since one is not certain in most cases as to where trend of the market will end or start another direction to some extent speculation cannot be separated from trading or trader's mind. Although, some people are of the believe that speculation is not different from gambling I don't blame them because they are entitled to their opinion.
Well to be honest some types of trading are gambling. Like the leveraged trading done on shitmex and other such sites and options/binary trading. They are even worse than gambling. I myself tell newbies to stay away from them and if they wish to trade then spot trading is the only thing to go for.

Speculation does happen in the market. This is the reason why such questions are being made. Some think its going up while others think the opposite. What you should remember is that nobody cares about what other traders say except the dumb ones. People are only manipulating others in social media so they can get the upper hand.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: ginobitcoiner on June 12, 2019, 01:04:53 PM
if not speculating is not a reliable trader, because speculation is very closely related to reliable traders.
and actually speculation is also the one that produces a lot of profits in trade.
without speculation the traders will not become rich  :D


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: izanagi narukami on June 12, 2019, 01:08:29 PM
Sometimes, speculate is the only way to execute but only if it's emergency case.
In crypto, everything is totally unpredictable so analyzing the market is must because it's easier to obtain the profit if you can look the trend.
Yes, it isn't easy , Learning by doing is only the way !


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: cryptoblazter on June 12, 2019, 01:28:35 PM
Sometimes, speculate is the only way to execute but only if it's emergency case.
In crypto, everything is totally unpredictable so analyzing the market is must because it's easier to obtain the profit if you can look the trend.
Yes, it isn't easy , Learning by doing is only the way !

Yes, I certainly agree with you that sometimes speculation is part of the complex trading processes here in cryptocurrency. The volatility of the prices of the coins, sometimes you can't do anything but to speculate. Technical analysis may fail espcially with the bearish trends.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Xampeuu on June 12, 2019, 02:35:16 PM
Sometimes, speculate is the only way to execute but only if it's emergency case.
In crypto, everything is totally unpredictable so analyzing the market is must because it's easier to obtain the profit if you can look the trend.
Yes, it isn't easy , Learning by doing is only the way !

Yes, I certainly agree with you that sometimes speculation is part of the complex trading processes here in cryptocurrency. The volatility of the prices of the coins, sometimes you can't do anything but to speculate. Technical analysis may fail espcially with the bearish trends.
the specifications are the same as gambling and I'm sure that won't last long, because we will experience defeat if done continuously. this usually happens when traders are afraid to take cutloss steps


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: TopT3ns on June 12, 2019, 03:40:34 PM
Sometimes, speculate is the only way to execute but only if it's emergency case.
In crypto, everything is totally unpredictable so analyzing the market is must because it's easier to obtain the profit if you can look the trend.
Yes, it isn't easy , Learning by doing is only the way !

Yes, I certainly agree with you that sometimes speculation is part of the complex trading processes here in cryptocurrency. The volatility of the prices of the coins, sometimes you can't do anything but to speculate. Technical analysis may fail espcially with the bearish trends.
the specifications are the same as gambling and I'm sure that won't last long, because we will experience defeat if done continuously. this usually happens when traders are afraid to take cutloss steps
Cutloss steps is something that traders must take if anything that he do is on his limit. That is what my friend always told me, even with speculation if it still can or have chance for us to survive when stuck or lose in trading, we must take it first before cutloss.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Suslura on June 12, 2019, 07:29:24 PM
we still have to take into account the fact that any trade, even speculative in some way, can positively influence the development of a project.  But these opportunities should benefit the developers of those projects in question.  I mean the work on a real product, so that not only the coin was visually interesting and attractive, but the project itself was interesting for the society.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: kickdapa on June 12, 2019, 08:12:23 PM
Yes, they do! Speculation is a part of the cryptocurrency and trade! If you want to be a good trader then you need to learn how to analyze the market trend and the price chart! Believe it or not, sometimes speculation helps trader a lot! But a good trader has a good way to speculate the price, that's different!


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Finestream on June 12, 2019, 10:00:53 PM
Yes, they do! Speculation is a part of the cryptocurrency and trade! If you want to be a good trader then you need to learn how to analyze the market trend and the price chart! Believe it or not, sometimes speculation helps trader a lot! But a good trader has a good way to speculate the price, that's different!
As a trader,there are a lot of speculations around but if you are really a good trader,speculations are not enough because you really have to make your own reseach and focus more on the market to come up with a good analysis.While speculations will not be avoided,i still prefer to make good analysis on the price charts first basically on my own.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Julunguul on June 12, 2019, 11:17:16 PM
Speculation is nearly the same like gambling, but trading is activity that the same like others business that we should be use risk management and trading plan. Beside that we should be have knowledge about technical analysis and how to predict trend of crypto market.

Actually almost the same even though indeed some people refuse to call it like gambling. Is this only due to analysis ? I think it's not ethic to say just by that
Speculating also sometimes works since analysis can't be 100% accurate.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: samcrypto on June 12, 2019, 11:50:25 PM
if not speculating is not a reliable trader, because speculation is very closely related to reliable traders.
and actually speculation is also the one that produces a lot of profits in trade.
without speculation the traders will not become rich  :D
Speculation is the job of every trader using TA, so i think we need to continue speculate because the market wont stop and stay on one price. Speculation can make us rich, and yeah don’t think speculation is bad you just have to do it in the right way. Its a part of the market, trader knows it and I have to start speculating now.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: OrangeII on June 13, 2019, 05:41:49 AM
if not speculating is not a reliable trader, because speculation is very closely related to reliable traders.
and actually speculation is also the one that produces a lot of profits in trade.
without speculation the traders will not become rich  :D
Speculation is the job of every trader using TA, so i think we need to continue speculate because the market wont stop and stay on one price. Speculation can make us rich, and yeah don’t think speculation is bad you just have to do it in the right way. Its a part of the market, trader knows it and I have to start speculating now.
well, without speculation, a trader might lose direction. other than that, I think speculation has been embedded in traders because it needs to be done to predict the direction of prices to be taken. it can reduce risk. trading without speculating I think it's very bad.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Japinat on June 13, 2019, 11:27:00 AM
if not speculating is not a reliable trader, because speculation is very closely related to reliable traders.
and actually speculation is also the one that produces a lot of profits in trade.
without speculation the traders will not become rich  :D
Speculation is the job of every trader using TA, so i think we need to continue speculate because the market wont stop and stay on one price. Speculation can make us rich, and yeah don’t think speculation is bad you just have to do it in the right way. Its a part of the market, trader knows it and I have to start speculating now.
well, without speculation, a trader might lose direction. other than that, I think speculation has been embedded in traders because it needs to be done to predict the direction of prices to be taken. it can reduce risk. trading without speculating I think it's very bad.
That's true, agree. Traders has to be flexible, they cannot just based on fixed strategy as there are a lot of factors involving in the market movement, and we all know that speculation is one big factor that could move the market. As a trader, you need to know what the other traders are thinking, especially most traders as they would likely cause to move the price, what's the speculation in the market now, and then you can make a strategy out of it.

It's not only pure TA or whatsoever, speculation is a big factor that needs to be consider all the time.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Blue_oxen on June 13, 2019, 02:04:44 PM
Yes, they do! Speculation is a part of the cryptocurrency and trade! If you want to be a good trader then you need to learn how to analyze the market trend and the price chart! Believe it or not, sometimes speculation helps trader a lot! But a good trader has a good way to speculate the price, that's different!
Speculation brings a much better return and almost all pennies are only intended to make money for investors. I think that now the market is having great stability and any investment will bring profit to investors so speculation is now a good investment and not much impact on this market. What I am most interested in is the psychology of investors because if they are not stable then this market will enter the bear market again


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Barbut on June 13, 2019, 02:30:49 PM
And what traders do if they dont speculate? Like any trader is 100% sure in his trade and he never speculate, he just earn every time. Thats funny, its unbelievable that someone thinks like that about any kind of trading, especially crypto trading. And I cant believe that people create such topics without informing themselves about basics, they just come here and throw some stupidity, probably most of us is crazy cause we even comment this shit.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: guoyu78 on June 17, 2019, 06:15:42 AM
if not speculating is not a reliable trader, because speculation is very closely related to reliable traders.
and actually speculation is also the one that produces a lot of profits in trade.
without speculation the traders will not become rich  :D
Speculation is the job of every trader using TA, so i think we need to continue speculate because the market wont stop and stay on one price. Speculation can make us rich, and yeah don’t think speculation is bad you just have to do it in the right way. Its a part of the market, trader knows it and I have to start speculating now.
well, without speculation, a trader might lose direction. other than that, I think speculation has been embedded in traders because it needs to be done to predict the direction of prices to be taken. it can reduce risk. trading without speculating I think it's very bad.
The entire market itself is born of speculation, without speculation, the market of cryptocurrency will really not survive. The only role of trader is not that he should not speculate, he can, but needs to apply other strategies that will make him have a reasonable speculation.

Some trader’s do make mistake of joining long term investors in making some of these unbelievable speculation that has no meaning, and this is what a trader must not do. Before I go into speculation as a trader, I usually make sure that I study my technical analysis first and then looking deep into fundamental analysis that will assist me in making a reasonable speculation which usually work for me a lot.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: TheUltraElite on June 20, 2019, 01:58:12 PM
Speculation brings a much better return and almost all pennies are only intended to make money for investors.
If you going to pump and dump then yes. But most small-cap traders dont have that amount of cash at hand to promote a pump. I dont agree with the second part of your statement though. People make money if they take advantage of the speculation.

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I think that now the market is having great stability and any investment will bring profit to investors so speculation is now a good investment and not much impact on this market. What I am most interested in is the psychology of investors because if they are not stable then this market will enter the bear market again
Bearish or bullish its not stable at all. We are seeing up and down movements everyday and the market is pretty volatile now. Compared to what happened the last year and this year start we are probably going up from here if the bulls keep pushing it up. Support level below are strong so bears wont get strong easily.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: zee11225 on June 20, 2019, 02:07:57 PM
Yes, they do! Speculation is a part of the cryptocurrency and trade! If you want to be a good trader then you need to learn how to analyze the market trend and the price chart! Believe it or not, sometimes speculation helps trader a lot! But a good trader has a good way to speculate the price, that's different!
If you don't want to speculate, it's better not to invest in the crypto market, because the price is very volatile, making the heart run faster. In addition, to get big profits, of course you have to invest in coins that are going up.
Speculation about crypto trading, especially bitcoin, is very challenging because it allows them to enjoy large profits, in contrast to stagnant trading investments where the profits obtained can be ascertained to be small.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Dontme on June 20, 2019, 02:22:07 PM
Speculation is nearly the same like gambling, but trading is activity that the same like others business that we should be use risk management and trading plan. Beside that we should be have knowledge about technical analysis and how to predict trend of crypto market.
I agree with what you said. Trading is a risky business and we must always have good management and a plan.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: TheUltraElite on June 25, 2019, 01:57:42 PM
I agree with what you said. Trading is a risky business and we must always have good management and a plan.
First trading is not a business. You can trade at your own will but dont make it your business or your first job. This is because those traders who are actually being investment bankers have a lot of failsafes to keep their money safe and they dont venture into crypto much - being logical for them is to put their money in stocks which are much safer.

While this is also true that the public figure traders who call themselves big traders are actually frauds. They only run on their private group subscription to pump and dump their own shitcoins. Take you own pick on whether you want to trust someone else with your money or yourself. ;)


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: iamzill on June 25, 2019, 02:52:46 PM
Speculation is nearly the same like gambling, but trading is activity that the same like others business that we should be use risk management and trading plan. Beside that we should be have knowledge about technical analysis and how to predict trend of crypto market.
speculation usually does not have good management and lacks careful planning. I think traders don't have to speculate but also need careful planning so that profits can still be obtained


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: ethereumhunter on June 25, 2019, 03:16:53 PM
Speculation is nearly the same like gambling, but trading is activity that the same like others business that we should be use risk management and trading plan. Beside that we should be have knowledge about technical analysis and how to predict trend of crypto market.
I agree with what you said. Trading is a risky business and we must always have good management and a plan.

Trading is risky, but we can prevent the risk by learning about trading so we can also try to make a profit. We need to learn more details so we can solve every problem we might have in trading, and besides that, by learning more about trading, we can improve the skills. Trading with skills will not the same as gambling because of our analysis is from the chart in the market.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: akram143 on June 25, 2019, 03:56:00 PM
Speculation is nearly the same like gambling, but trading is activity that the same like others business that we should be use risk management and trading plan. Beside that we should be have knowledge about technical analysis and how to predict trend of crypto market.
speculation usually does not have good management and lacks careful planning. I think traders don't have to speculate but also need careful planning so that profits can still be obtained
Planning based on others speculation right? Everything need to be considered by the traders which will effect the prices then only they can good analysis and make profits from it.BTW everyone related to cryptos are trader because we come here for making money so we do speculation might not know from our knowledge.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: pant-79 on June 25, 2019, 04:56:53 PM
No, don't speculate... that is what they always tell us but FOMO aside, what's the fun if there is no emotional speculation!

I feel we as traders could be considered as speculative consumers, and if that is partly the truth wouldn't it be cool if the digital asset that we are speculating on was something we had whole ownership of?

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I agree that we all want to make money on trading. This is our goal. Therefore, we are all speculators to varying degrees and there is nothing wrong with that.
Great that you want to create a game. Such games can help draw attention to crypto currencies, which over time will help better adopt them in society.


Title: Re: Trader don't speculate?
Post by: Alijiindahaus on June 25, 2019, 05:13:31 PM
and how can someone tell the difference between speculation and trading?  under current conditions in the cryptocurrency market, these facets are slightly erased and each determines its strategy in such a way as to obtain the maximum benefit.