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So let me take you guys back to 2018, where many start-up projects after their fund raising scheme will not list on the market.

Many of this projects said they will list Q4 2018 because they too where expecting a bull run at the end of the year.

This show how unprofessional many of this guys are, they just wake up from nowhere and they lunched a startup of something they barely understand how it worked.

Now everyone got disappointed the bull disappointed them and now they frustrate the investors by listing below ico price

This guys are one of our problems in cryptocurrency, bunch of unprofessional lads wanting to see a bullrun and make quick cash and leave.

Once again I am happy the bull run has no specific timing, let's see who survives and who doesn't

not at all, those "guys" are not the problem. the people who give them their money (aka invest in their shitcoin or participate in their ICO or advertise their shitty project to get paid) are the biggest problems that we are facing.
otherwise they are simply doing what all scammers do, they scam people. and if newbies started using their head then we wouldn't be in this mess where all the ICOs are purely scams. and what you call "startup" is equal to a fake website that only wants to raise money by targeting the most gullible people.

with many cases like this there will be many people who feel cheated by the ICO because dev only wants to get money fast and no matter how the development of their project in the future.

To survive the bull run what you need most is a very good deal of patience.
The bearish market might last for a long while and so many would panic and lose faith

For the bearish market, if someone suffered the most is legit ICO owner. Imagine, they had the intention of running a project and for that they have set a cost and raised fund but later the fund value got decreased. That's a huge loss for the project.

How are you certain that all the ICO owners list their coins below the ICO price. I don't think this must be the case since listing below the ICO price will cause them a bigger loss than to the investors.
You must have heard that most of the ICO launches bounty campaigns and I know that once the ICO is complete most of these bounty hunters dump their tokens.
This is the reason that causes a price dump in the beginning of a token/coin getting listed on an exchange. The potential of a coin is only known after this period when the coin recovers.

We already had the worst case scenario in the cryptocurrency market. If you remember 14 months ago the Bitcoin price was $18.500 and the Ethereum was $1.380. If you chech the coinmarketcap right know you have to understand that we had the worst one. Also if you check back to 2018, more than %80 ICO projects turned scam or they escaped with our moneys and that was also the worst..

the altcoin market is so alive and is always changing. we will continue to see a lot of coins be created, get pumped and then eventually die to give their place to newer shitcoins to be pumped. that has been the unbeatable trend of past 10 years.

Lol you’re kind of right, newbies are part of the problem we have here. But sometimes I don’t really blame them for what they do, because most of the things they do is based on the information they got from their friends who have been into the business for long. They think everything roses and they just can invest in anything and expect the price pump for them to make quick money.

Greedy set of people are the ones who are ruining the cryptocurrency community. Most these projects are raised by greedy. They create such projects with the hope that they are going to make a huge profit but at the end they will all be disappointed, and investors are also being disappointed too and losing their money. Only if people will being such greedy.

All were once newcomers, including you. Therefore, you shouldn't blame them so sharply and throw all the problems on them.


Regarding the fact that bounty hunters dump tokens and this affects the price, I want to say that in many projects the distribution of bounty rewards now occurs after a considerable amount of time when everyone has already earned money, and the hunter receives the lowest price.

Most of them are so important that the funds collected first after that they let their project be abandoned? they are not professionals in this field just want to themselves not think about the fate of the deceived investors

Yes you are very right im also fed up of all these projects that link every step of their ico and project with bull run and now such projects seem to have no direction at all due to months and months of waiting for bulls, i would like to provoke them and say that this is not the way all this works.

The only reason one will survive is if they get to learn to be good trader to make their money grow otherwise the team will just keep drowning like what happen to all those team that disappear. They keep telling their investors to wait. I have ask a project on telegram and all they say is we wait for they are working on the background. But how do we know when there are not news from them for more than 6 months?

Thats right. Scammers would not waste their time creating and promoting such projects(ICOs) if people would be smart enough to not give them money. The reason why so many ICOs appear every year is because they know they will always find people stupid enough to give them money in exchange for some shit coins. Of course i am not talking about all ICOs here, because there are some who really try to create and bring something new to people. Too bad those kind of ICOs get lost through all the scams.

Most of them are just aiming for a good earnings, they didn't really cares about the project that they've introduced what matters for them is on how to take away cold cash out from investors pockets, many of this projects will die as developers itself doesn't really cares.

Yeah, somehow I am glad that the market remained bearish last year. The earlier these weak projects get swept, the better. If a project is serious enough, they'll survive.

It's really one of the best I like here in crypto. The excitement and how everyone will going to learn about those things that they experienced here like getting scammed by different projects/ico's. It's really frustrating but once the person learned how to be careful on making an actions they will going to have a good results too. Getting scammed is really the worse case that I ever had on crypto too.

Most ICO projects in 2018 become scam, basically they do not have real projects and seek funding through the ICO. So be careful before investing in ICO.

You care for what you like or believe in to make the future with and being around with. They are marely called developers for want of suitable shit name. A project team already know what they plan to do, either a good idea or to pack up and disappear at a particular time. A shit project always will not have anything to offer.

They also get caught on the flow of HYPE and now they are speechless for exactly this reason. There is no clear explanation about the guesses of ICO teams that predict the future environment of the market in order to choose the best conditions for progressing their project.

I believe we have already experienced the worst case scenario that happened during the last winter. Right now the market is very unstable and it still decides in which direction it is going to move and I hope it would be a green way.

When you should wait for a new bull run can not be installed and it's not professionalism. Many ICO projects have a chance to become successful, but there is too little activity on the market and even listing on popular exchanges does not provide the necessary turnover of coins. But there is a really positive point in this, if the project team will stay afloat in such a difficult time, then such a project should definitely be trusted.

Even if they wanted to list during a bull run as you claim they did, then it's not unprofessionalism,neither were they looking out for just their pockets alone, if they had their way and the bull run came, then it'll be for the benefit of both the investors, the project and everyone connected to the project.
I don't see what's wrong with that, the market is bad generally and for now it's bad business for most projects, but a good project definitely should see through this times

A plausible thing for them to wait up on such belief that bull run do usually happens on last month of each year but last year situation prove them wrong. We cant really say that this is the reason but
high probability that they are really aiming for this timing and making some easy money out of their crappy project built from trash.These system do still exist nowadays but eventually investors are becoming more
smarter each day and dont tend to easily believe with current ico as of now.

the green way will be anyway. just need to wait. Now are really hard times. this is a normal thing for the crypto

Only reliable projects will survive in the bear market and downtrend doesn't let teams do their job properly.  Listing in exchanges doesn't mean their token will surpass easily other tokens. Big projects always prefer to list on big exchanges but big exchanges don't take every project for listing.

This is true, but especially upsets me that many projects have not yet been listed or their price has significantly decreased in comparison with the ICO. I think that many, like me, have lost confidence in the ICO over the past year and have paused, waiting for bull run and new promising projects.

I already thought that an ICO project in the form of a smart contract would be one of the schemes to commit fraud even though not all projects do fraud because there are also really good projects and until now the project we can say is successful. Most fundraising people are greedy people and these people expect the bullrun to happen at the end of 2018. I'm grateful that bullrun doesn't have a fixed schedule so we can know which projects are fraudulent and which projects are right really good

Is this why they wait for such a long time to list their coins? Could  this reason be justified or they are trying to make quick money and run away like you said. I have seen some solid projects shifting date for listing their projects. I wonder if it was the same reason

Here are also facts of what happened.

They have Ethereum and Bitcoin in their wallets from selling their tokens thru it.
Dump already happened at Q1 of 2018 so their tokens looks expensive already.
Somehow it was still bought by investors.
They could have sold it or they may have not yet waiting for a bullish run which seems not to happen yet until Q2 of 2019.

There is a 50 50 chance they could have sold it and is cash by now which could be the reason to more fall that happened with main  crypto currencies.

I think there are a lot of possibilities that can be mentioned why they are difficult to register new coins, the first possibility is that the project may not be ready to launch, the second reason may be the team is waiting for bitcoin prices to be expensive so that the condition when new coins are launched does not fall, there are still many possibilities that occur, and I recommend that you better ask directly with their team directly to ask for certainty.

What you have mentioned always depends on people. Startups that want to make a quick buck? Nothing special. However, even not so experienced young commited people can make a total revolution in their specific field. The worst scenario is that every coin will be worth nothing. But this would mean just one thing: something better was discovered. It would be that good that crypto will be seen as a technological dinosaur in a comparison. Is the progress in technology a bad thing? I doubt that (everything can be misused though). The most possible scenario is that some companies will turn their hard work into an absolute domination, but they will have to keep up with competition, which will push them even further. We are all in a rush to find THAT one (at least a single one) golden egg in a basket full of different coins. May the odds be ever in your favour  ;).

Yes, there always are such peoples in each field who would only look for their own benefit always.

A lot of peoples who don't even have enough knowledge about the start-ups they are starting are trying to offer ponzi schemes to the investors and are simply exiting the markets as soon as the standardization is been reached. Investors feel unsafe into the markets due to the ever increasing scam projects. ICO start-ups are a best way to collect fundS for a effective and better project but should be kept away from scam.

If we consider the ICO projects in the early 2016, we can see that almost each of the project from that time made immense profits and is yet a profitable project but projects after the mid 2017, were been started just to collect the funds and get away from the markets.

There were a lot of ICO's which ended up being scam so ICO investments is always being treated much risker now. Investing in something we already know is good to avoid such losses.

The worst-case scenario is the fall in popularity and interest in cryptocurrency to the 0 mark, when no one will stay in cryptocurrency. But such a scenario, I think rather fantastic.

Many people are waiting for a favorable time in the market, but this does not mean that the team of such a project is unprofessional or scammers. This time will show us who on that much. So we have to wait.

Yeah much better that the bull run don't have specific time so no one expect anything especially some projects that can't do right thing to their own projects because they want only a easy money. But of course there some projects that have a good product and team that we really know that they do everything to make their project to be successful in the future.

Each project has a different way of working. I admit that in 2018 there are many ICOs that reach a soft cap, but not yet listed on any exchanger. And this method I feel is less effective for a project that holds its coin into an exchanger. It will also harm and make investors nervous.

You are right, crap projects are everywhere because there are people who are continuously supporting this type of crowdfunding projects.
And since many people got burnt from the ICOs held specifically last year, many ICO nowadays are having difficult time to raise their funds.
If people would be smart enough with their investments, not be greedy with the expected profits and do their own due diligence before investing to an unknown platform, these scammers might stop trying their tactics to deceive people.

Many of the ICOs never had interest in the blockchain solution they were going to offer, their major interest is having a share of investors money without actually doing anything they promised so they were disappointed by the bear run so they keep using it as excuse.

Yes they are going to offer a solution but they don't really have that application for that possible solution they have come up with. That's how they looked at the ICOs during the good times, they are all for the cash and aren't really for the solution they are saying.

It's more of a show and project showcasing without use case.

If this always happen, many people wont invest in new project or ICOs. Investor must be prefer invest in coin or token that already listed in exchanger and i think its bad for good new project.

The problem with the ICO craze was that projects were judged based on how appealing their ideas seemed rather than by actually having software ready and providing a use case. This is similar to the dot-com bubble when companies were created out of thin air and had no profits, and were just seeking a quick stock pump based on hype. The ICO bubble also shows how easy it is to fool people when you have a nice-looking website and whitepaper. As a general rule, I am steering clear of ICOs.

actually yes, many ICO reached softcap. But instead working and maximizing on their product to start generating income, they waste their small money to list on exchange while they know it's not cheap.
yeah they don't care about product after all. their token value only depend on market manipulation

Yes. this is one of the reason in ICO or bounty campaign so much cheaters or scammers. they just think the money they will get without plan to develop their project. they just hope everything like 2017 but in reality it reverse.

Speaking of 2018 there will definitely be a lot of bad stories about ICO. Some ICO can reach Soft Cap sellers, but many of their products have not yet entered the Exchange. Even worse, the project developer is no longer active.

Both enthusiasts and scammers will come to the new investment market, where big money has come. To this need to be prepared. Now our task is to support new projects to make everything come to life. If not with money, then by participating in bounty programs.

i disagree. those who create these shitcoins and ICOs and even those who invest in them are NOT the problem!
the problem is those who invest in them and also think they are real! they are the people who cause the problems in this system. otherwise if you see them as they truly are (pump and dump shitcoins) you won't see any issues.

I think every team on every project must learn from 2018 because they make the wrong decision to expecting the bull market was happening in that year. They need to think about the bull market cannot predicting although the market gives a sign to increase so they can make a back-up plan if something goes wrong. They cannot make their investor disappointed, and that is their job to stay alert with the market situations.

So now, the market still unpredictable and they didn't give an explanation to their investor and only said wait and wait. The teams of the project should always analyze the market while they run the project so they could still apply their plan without any problem. It is normal to see the plan will change because the situations in the market but they need to explain this so there will be no misunderstood in their investor.

In the future, I am sure that more new project will launch but with better teams so they can handle the project without a problem. They will remember what is going on in 2018 and they will take that as the important lesson for reaching their success with the project. The trend of the ICO itself will always change, but I don't what will happen with the ICO in this year.

I agree with you on this. Many people develop projects with high promises at the beginning of 2018. But most of them failed. Some of them were withdrawn from the market. Some of them disappeared with the pretext of renewal. However, the market urgently needs a bull season. Many crypto coins at the bottom level. The market needs to be revived.

You once said that investors are not a problem but you also said that the one that who invest on ico and shitcoins are the problem  .  im confuse with your words meyt   .  anyway , there are lots of wors case scenario that already happen or will still happen on the crypto scene but look at us and the crypto , we are both standing still  . no problems and tough times can break our bond  .

Many projects after their ico list way below the ico price and I keep asking myself why? When you talk to the team, they tell you that they are utility tokens and the market decides it's price. Sto market falls too but this ico guys are so tricky and they have all made it a norm that we can't know the scammers anymore

that means if most of them need to list their token on the medium exchange site to get enough liquidity. most of them turning into the garbage platform that thinking if the exchange site is not really needed.

Liquidity is given priority to tokens in exchanges that have a better store of value, real-life use case and more.  Exchanges are not listing the useless tokens that created for Ponzi schemes, especially for pump^dump determination.

Not all of it. But hate to say, that scam ICOs are more than the legit ones. But in the start of 2019, I can see many new projects with potential. Also, the era of IEO began to start. Most project now are using this method of raising funds and to gain trust of the public. Why? Since exchange already filtered some ICOs and already they address the problem of identifying a scam or legit one.

Everyone is disappointed but the most affected one are those who invested in an ICO in which they invested in a higher price and some until now are not yet  listed in an exchange. There were some that were listed but the price is so cheap compare to the price when they invested during ICO so the investor felt like they were being cheated. Bull run on the other hand is not yet determined when it might going to happen . we are in a situation right now in which there is nothing we can do but to wait otherwise it is too late to cut off our losses.

I am not an early joiners to cryptoworld. I wish I would. But we saw last bull season completely. First BTC rise quickly, after all other altcoins. We expected Bitcoin will rise to moon. (I expected 100K at least...) But it didn't as you know.

We should learn firstly, nothing will rise all time. So don't afraid from Bitcoin. It will rise some day. But be careful all the time when you buy altcoins.

I agree with the author, there are just a huge number of senseless projects, they have to leave the market, the bears are cleaning.

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Before investing in cryptocurrencies investor need to understand the basic principles for his own safety. Bitcoin's latest ATH level only took 5 days to go 20000$ starting from 16 December. Altcoins usually follow the dominant top cryptos and the connection is at a high level.

It's not the worst part, I think it is the worst part that people scam our money in many ways, in the name of ico, airdrop project bla bla bla. A project may postponed their listing because of a lot of reasons.

Well it is true most of the ICO's in 2018 has faced a great problem,
Specially those who have planned that they would list it later that year and those who promised a real project.
Look at them now most of them has stopped because of the huge price gap when they started ICO and at the current price.

not only in 2018, this year too many ICOs were still SCAMs, they only made fake projects.
they make the bounty hunters waste precious time.

Bounty hunters need to take the step down and analyze the projects with more energy before joining to promotion campaign. ICOs are scamming for a reason and this reason can be various like collecting money, revenge etc.

Its a typical scammers, they just lure their investors with their too good to be true claims then will left you hanging after few months of waiting for the hope the coins/tokens you bought will be listed in a good exchanges.

Well this is not new anymore but unfortunately there are still victims who fall into their trap. We must conduct a research and think carefully if the project you want to invest in is worth it and wont likely fail even in this bearish market.

Bravo! Well said ,this market condition is fishing out the bad projects and many have no choice but to die off,its really a good thing ,many developers are just here to make money off the bullrun and they will keep promising heaven and earth ,beware of scamming developers ,too many of them in crypto space now ,watch out!

Of course, much depends on that. on which stock exchange tokens, but still it’s necessary to aim not at the stock exchange, but at the constant work on the project, and the token demand, for the appearance on the stock market is 1 time rise and fall, and further stagnation, if nothing else is done

You are correct many startups did not plan well and launched their crowdsale in poor market conditions and also weren't offering a very high quality product or service which resulted in many failures, but now things should start to improve due to less quick cash grabs and better quality offerings

Those that suffered most in the last bearish market are ICO projects with the right intention. Most of them pegged their token price with Ethereum and even after the tokensale all the ETH they received got dumped badly.

So why you have invested on those unprofessional projects,I don't see anything strange because the prices were fallen more than when they created their projectd so they have no option other than listing for cheap price,you need to be glad that atleast they listing their project rather than run away with your money.

Most if them giving reasons of not launching because of the market conditions or saying they are waiting for bull run just come up with that in order to exit scam later. They are just bunch of scammers of never do wells who just think running a project is easy. It pains me when I see such. I just wonder if they are the ones to make the bull run happen that they give investors such kind of excuse.

the ico team was very unprofessional when they held back the token to launch into the market. they have a reason, it's useless if it's done now because the market hasn't improved. in my opinion it's wrong, it would be better if it was still launched, and the opportunity to make the pump was also open, if indeed their project was good and many investors were interested in buying after the token was launched into the market exchange.