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Title: Is Macron's tour of Africa too late? Post by: Jet Cash on March 12, 2019, 05:31:25 PM Macron is starting a tour of France's colonies in Africa, but is he too late? China has been investing in African infrastructure, and financing commercial enterprises. France just seems to have been supplying weapons, and extracting minerals - they are dependent on the Gabon for Uranium for example. Just as a side note, the US has sentenced Samuel Mebiame a dual nationality French/Gabon citizen to 24 months in prison for conspiring to pay bribes in contravention of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. I'm not sure why the US feels it has jurisdiction over this.
It will be interesting to see if Macron can recover influence in countries where many of the population is learning Mandarin instead of French. Title: Re: Is Macron's tour of Africa too late? Post by: KingScorpio on March 12, 2019, 06:15:10 PM Macron is starting a tour of France's colonies in Africa, but is he too late? China has been investing in African infrastructure, and financing commercial enterprises. France just seems to have been supplying weapons, and extracting minerals - they are dependent on the Gabon for Uranium for example. Just as a side note, the US has sentenced Samuel Mebiame a dual nationality French/Gabon citizen to 24 months in prison for conspiring to pay bribes in contravention of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. I'm not sure why the US feels it has jurisdiction over this. It will be interesting to see if Macron can recover influence in countries where many of the population is learning Mandarin instead of French. mandarin seriously? a language that takes decades to learn?, but french isnt easy altnernative though, i am fine with easy english Title: Re: Is Macron's tour of Africa too late? Post by: markstivn98 on March 12, 2019, 06:27:59 PM Macron is starting a tour of France's colonies in Africa, but is he too late? China has been investing in African infrastructure, and financing commercial enterprises. France just seems to have been supplying weapons, and extracting minerals - they are dependent on the Gabon for Uranium for example. Just as a side note, the US has sentenced Samuel Mebiame a dual nationality French/Gabon citizen to 24 months in prison for conspiring to pay bribes in contravention of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. I'm not sure why the US feels it has jurisdiction over this. No one knows how America and France think.It will be interesting to see if Macron can recover influence in countries where many of the population is learning Mandarin instead of French. Despite all, there are common interests and decades between these countries. Title: Re: Is Macron's tour of Africa too late? Post by: Beerwizzard on March 13, 2019, 07:19:30 AM Both France and China are willing to use African natural resources. It will not cause any development of African countries. Then why should we care about France here? Situation from Chinese point of view is more interesting.
And answering the main question of the thread: Quote Is Macron's tour of Africa too late? No, he is always welcome in Marseille and many other French cities. Title: Re: Is Macron's tour of Africa too late? Post by: Mometaskers on March 14, 2019, 02:43:40 AM Africa can be considered a Chinese colony now. Most of the infrastructure China is building are roads, bridges and ports - the better able to transport the resources they are craving for and to make it easier to dump their cheap exports (which has already killed off some manufacturing in smaller Asian countries).
Seems no matter who the world power is, Africa still gets the raw deal. Title: Re: Is Macron's tour of Africa too late? Post by: mOgliE on March 14, 2019, 10:05:31 AM It will be interesting to see if Macron can recover influence in countries where many of the population is learning Mandarin instead of French. France has the complete power in most of its ancient colonies. France is, truth be told, still a colonial empire though not as big as before. Asia can't do shit and all its investments are just good news for France for a quite good reason: France controls its former colonies both with military and currency. The currency of 8 countries is directly controled by France with the Franc CFA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_African_CFA_franc Additionnaly France has a strong military presence in Africa including Gabon that you were talking about: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_bases_militaires_fran%C3%A7aises_dans_le_monde#Gabon With even more bases than USA in Western Africa xD Basically Africa is for France the same thing as South America for US. Title: Re: Is Macron's tour of Africa too late? Post by: BADecker on March 16, 2019, 12:13:33 AM Gaddafi would have become a great power in Africa because of this. Sure, he wielded his power in many bad and wrong ways. But there was a lot of great good that was coming out of him. Too bad it was for the wrong purpose. I suspect that Macron is going to sneak over to Libya just to find out first hand a new way to make France powerful again, by copying Gaddafi's general mindset without his methods.
The Great Manmade River by Muammar Gaddafi (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/257712-2019-03-15-the-great-manmade-river-by-muammar-gaddafi.htm) The Great Manmade River by Muammar Gaddafi https://i.ytimg.com/vi/qmbmMmGUMnc/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEjCPYBEIoBSFryq4qpAxUIARUAAAAAGAElAADIQj0AgKJDeAE=&rs=AOn4CLCZLbD1Ct0CZqxrKl9g28SEAXNdqQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tuazqa_r3Z8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tuazqa_r3Z8) 8) Title: Re: Is Macron's tour of Africa too late? Post by: sheenshane on March 16, 2019, 02:27:07 PM Africa can be considered a Chinese colony now. Most of the infrastructure China is building are roads, bridges and ports - the better able to transport the resources they are craving for and to make it easier to dump their cheap exports (which has already killed off some manufacturing in smaller Asian countries). France and China can actually help each other to colonize the African territories. Last time, I have seen a video about China letting countries to borrow from them and if the country will not be able to pay on their dealt time, China will take a piece of their land and will build a structure to be considered as an investment for long term purposes.We can't tell that France's Marcon's tour is too late because, in fact, they are actually ahead of the time. If they will set an alliance with China, they would be the best partner. Title: Re: Is Macron's tour of Africa too late? Post by: asche on March 16, 2019, 03:36:04 PM many of the population is learning Mandarin instead of French. You do realize French is still a legal language in most of African countries, meaning it is taught in school? This is not the case for Mandarin, or even Chinese in general. Title: Re: Is Macron's tour of Africa too late? Post by: Mometaskers on March 17, 2019, 07:49:44 AM Africa can be considered a Chinese colony now. Most of the infrastructure China is building are roads, bridges and ports - the better able to transport the resources they are craving for and to make it easier to dump their cheap exports (which has already killed off some manufacturing in smaller Asian countries). France and China can actually help each other to colonize the African territories. Last time, I have seen a video about China letting countries to borrow from them and if the country will not be able to pay on their dealt time, China will take a piece of their land and will build a structure to be considered as an investment for long term purposes.We can't tell that France's Marcon's tour is too late because, in fact, they are actually ahead of the time. If they will set an alliance with China, they would be the best partner. Help each other? I remember the last time the British and French helped each other help themselves and how well that turned out for the entire world until now. Title: Re: Is Macron's tour of Africa too late? Post by: KingScorpio on March 17, 2019, 10:13:35 AM many of the population is learning Mandarin instead of French. You do realize French is still a legal language in most of African countries, meaning it is taught in school? This is not the case for Mandarin, or even Chinese in general. poor africans, french is so incontinous and difficult to learn. but most is not true actually http://solarey.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/South-America-and-African-languages.png Title: Re: Is Macron's tour of Africa too late? Post by: asche on March 17, 2019, 10:15:25 AM many of the population is learning Mandarin instead of French. You do realize French is still a legal language in most of African countries, meaning it is taught in school? This is not the case for Mandarin, or even Chinese in general. poor africans, french is so incontinous and difficult to learn. German is no better... Title: Re: Is Macron's tour of Africa too late? Post by: KingScorpio on March 17, 2019, 10:34:01 AM many of the population is learning Mandarin instead of French. You do realize French is still a legal language in most of African countries, meaning it is taught in school? This is not the case for Mandarin, or even Chinese in general. poor africans, french is so incontinous and difficult to learn. German is no better... i didn't said that german is easy, but german is a purpose and usefullnes driven langauge, that got reforms not according to how it sounds but according to how usefull it is for communication the correlation of written and spoken langauge is in german by far better then french |
