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Title: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
Post by: playnow777 on March 15, 2019, 05:16:42 AM
I have again access in our account ( because we lost the password here ) we don't know why the other topic is locked.

You can read all information about bet broker Playnow777 with vip accounts on Bet365 etc on http://playnow777.com/

We are here or via email for any question.

We don't know why we have negative votes here, but we promise to make the best for our customers or new customers.

Thank you to all. Have a great and lucky Weekend.

Special Regards,
Lukas
Playnow777


Title: Re: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
Post by: Bitinity on March 15, 2019, 05:35:20 AM
We don't know why we have negative votes here, but we promise to make the best for our customers or new customers.

Your trust rating tells it all, you are offering something too good to be true. Asking for investment with a guarantee profit every month as well as a high minimum investment. You claims to have 1000+ customers with 5 million transaction which is indicated as fake statistic. If it is real, show the proofs of your claims. It wont be hard thing to do since you claims that you have made 5 millions transactions. A site which has no SSL certificates claims to have 1000+ and 5 Millions transactions, only dumb people will trust such site.


Title: Re: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
Post by: cizatext on March 15, 2019, 06:57:03 AM
I have again access in our account ( because we lost the password here ) we don't know why the other topic is locked.

You can read all information about bet broker Playnow777 with vip accounts on Bet365 etc on http://playnow777.com/

We are here or via email for any question.

We don't know why we have negative votes here, but we promise to make the best for our customers or new customers.

Thank you to all. Have a great and lucky Weekend.

Special Regards,
Lukas
Playnow777
The site look great to say it even have sport betting like football betting and the rest of them, the the only problem is the red tag on your account that shows high ranking members of the forum don't have trust on you and that is a law.


Title: Re: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
Post by: Haunebu on March 15, 2019, 10:03:13 AM
I have again access in our account ( because we lost the password here ) we don't know why the other topic is locked.

You can read all information about bet broker Playnow777 with vip accounts on Bet365 etc on http://playnow777.com/

We are here or via email for any question.

We don't know why we have negative votes here, but we promise to make the best for our customers or new customers.

Thank you to all. Have a great and lucky Weekend.

Special Regards,
Lukas
Playnow777
The site look great to say it even have sport betting like football betting and the rest of them, the the only problem is the red tag on your account that shows high ranking members of the forum don't have trust on you and that is a law.
There is nothing special about the website at all. It is basically a template which was modified in small ways.

I could not find any reviews of this website which is a big red flag. Op is just a newbie and has a negative trust rating which heavily implies that this site should be avoided.


Title: Re: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
Post by: Caladonian on March 15, 2019, 10:24:06 AM
Before you continue advertising here, kindly make sure site secure first, begin with that portion and let the gamblers decide whether to play
or stay away, with this feature being forgotten or not being prioritize, the impressions will be in doubt, adding the negative ratings of your
account, if you wanted to compete with existing gambling house best to take care of this first.

Give the community some updates when you are done fixing this, it will be more interesting if you will comply.


Title: Re: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
Post by: leea-1334 on March 15, 2019, 02:25:35 PM
You do not know why you have negative votes? The trust ratings and explanations are not enough?

Just run an honest site, no need to make promises, just say you what you will do,,, do them,,, and people will naturally come to you.

If you want to build a proper website, take a look at the threads of sites who have been here for years. Secure, original, smooth, clear terms, good customer support. None of them promise profits.


Title: Re: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
Post by: tippytoes on March 15, 2019, 03:10:38 PM
You do not know why you have negative votes? The trust ratings and explanations are not enough?

Just run an honest site, no need to make promises, just say you what you will do,,, do them,,, and people will naturally come to you.

If you want to build a proper website, take a look at the threads of sites who have been here for years. Secure, original, smooth, clear terms, good customer support. None of them promise profits.

I do agree with that. Promising 80% profit to your users is the same as deceiving them. Just be honest with what you offer and people will start trusting your website. Don't use overwhelming promises to entice your customers. And don't say that you have about 10k users having powered by wordpress and not a secure one. Really? People are now very trustful with their accounts under a nonsecure website?


Title: Re: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
Post by: YuginKadoya on March 15, 2019, 04:43:46 PM
You do not know why you have negative votes? The trust ratings and explanations are not enough?

Just run an honest site, no need to make promises, just say you what you will do,,, do them,,, and people will naturally come to you.

If you want to build a proper website, take a look at the threads of sites who have been here for years. Secure, original, smooth, clear terms, good customer support. None of them promise profits.

I do agree with that. Promising 80% profit to your users is the same as deceiving them. Just be honest with what you offer and people will start trusting your website. Don't use overwhelming promises to entice your customers. And don't say that you have about 10k users having powered by wordpress and not a secure one. Really? People are now very trustful with their accounts under a nonsecure website?

Or we can say that 10k users were just here say or a bluff and could be a dummy account so they can make an assumption that newbie gamblers would buy their comments of what a great site this it, And this could be a copy-paste site from other gambling sites, We should be more aware of the people that are posting in the forum threads like these that could simply victimize certainly people that don't have experience with this kind of modus.


Title: Re: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
Post by: examplens on March 15, 2019, 09:37:53 PM
Quote
We don't know why we have negative votes here, but we promise to make the best for our customers or new customers.

I agree with all of the words written by NLNico to your Trust feedback.

Just click on "get started now" button and go to WordPress login page. OP are you serious?

What is mean this address:

Code:
Play Limited of Clinch's House, Lord Street, Douglas, Isle of Man IM99 1RZ

I find them on your website, and on google maps also.


Title: Re: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
Post by: adzino on March 15, 2019, 09:44:33 PM
The site look great to say it even have sport betting like football betting and the rest of them, the the only problem is the red tag on your account that shows high ranking members of the forum don't have trust on you and that is a law.
Looks can be deceiving (i didn't even bother clicking and having a look on the site after reading his trust feedback). The feedback actually makes senses though. Giving 80% of profit annually is actually quite impossible at least for a new casino.
Just provide us with proper proof about what you are stating (which i doubt you can) and your negative trust might go away.


Title: Re: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
Post by: carlfebz2 on March 15, 2019, 09:45:16 PM
I have again access in our account ( because we lost the password here ) we don't know why the other topic is locked.

You can read all information about bet broker Playnow777 with vip accounts on Bet365 etc on http://playnow777.com/

We are here or via email for any question.

We don't know why we have negative votes here, but we promise to make the best for our customers or new customers.

Thank you to all. Have a great and lucky Weekend.

Special Regards,
Lukas
Playnow777
The site look great to say it even have sport betting like football betting and the rest of them, the the only problem is the red tag on your account that shows high ranking members of the forum don't have trust on you and that is a law.
It never looked to be great and when you do just try to click that "lets get started" you would directly go on a wordpress. A typical shit website actually and that red trust of him do already tells it all.


Title: Re: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
Post by: Haunebu on March 16, 2019, 02:04:53 PM
You do not know why you have negative votes? The trust ratings and explanations are not enough?

Just run an honest site, no need to make promises, just say you what you will do,,, do them,,, and people will naturally come to you.

If you want to build a proper website, take a look at the threads of sites who have been here for years. Secure, original, smooth, clear terms, good customer support. None of them promise profits.

I do agree with that. Promising 80% profit to your users is the same as deceiving them. Just be honest with what you offer and people will start trusting your website. Don't use overwhelming promises to entice your customers. And don't say that you have about 10k users having powered by wordpress and not a secure one. Really? People are now very trustful with their accounts under a nonsecure website?

Or we can say that 10k users were just here say or a bluff and could be a dummy account so they can make an assumption that newbie gamblers would buy their comments of what a great site this it, And this could be a copy-paste site from other gambling sites, We should be more aware of the people that are posting in the forum threads like these that could simply victimize certainly people that don't have experience with this kind of modus.
This is true. I have observed certain members of this forum resort to this sort of behavior in order to draw attention to whatever they were promoting and end up receiving a healthy portion of the profits.

This is exactly the reason why research is critical in such cases instead of entirely depending on others reviews.


Title: Re: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
Post by: nakamura12 on March 17, 2019, 02:47:03 AM
This is true. I have observed certain members of this forum resort to this sort of behavior in order to draw attention to whatever they were promoting and end up receiving a healthy portion of the profits.

This is exactly the reason why research is critical in such cases instead of entirely depending on others reviews.
So that is why there are lots of newbie or dummy account promoting gambling site or posting a website where there is a list of gambling sites and there is a "PLAY" button that redirect you to the gambling site in which the play button's link is a referral link that the person who click the play button and created an account that let the referrer earn profits through referral program of the site by posting it on this forum. I think the most victim of those forum users with dummy account that is bluffing about a site are newbie gamblers. Do you think that's the reason why there is so many newbie accounts promoting sites?. I think that's what they do to avoid their main account from getting "NEGATIVE TRUST" or "RED TRUST".


Title: Re: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
Post by: MakeMoneyBtc on March 17, 2019, 06:18:03 AM
Your profile is already tagged with red trust for trying to scam people with another website so I don't get it why you are still trying to do the same thing again. Your reputation is already lost and no one is going to trust you or your website just because they know what you are trying to do, so don't expect to receive a single penny in your accounts.


Title: Re: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
Post by: maydna on March 17, 2019, 07:42:50 AM
My advice is you should work and give proof to people, do what you want to do if your site is really good and worth. I am sure that we will see a good result. But if it's not good, then your site will not grow as you want. Don't give promises if you can't make it happen because people will see how you will go to prove the promises.

It needs time to be a recommended gambling site because we never know who will satisfy with your service and that is not your job. Your job is only to make a good site, and you give the proof that your site is worth to compete with the other gambling site. In the end, you will get what you want.


Title: Re: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
Post by: Haunebu on March 17, 2019, 07:59:25 AM
This is true. I have observed certain members of this forum resort to this sort of behavior in order to draw attention to whatever they were promoting and end up receiving a healthy portion of the profits.

This is exactly the reason why research is critical in such cases instead of entirely depending on others reviews.
So that is why there are lots of newbie or dummy account promoting gambling site or posting a website where there is a list of gambling sites and there is a "PLAY" button that redirect you to the gambling site in which the play button's link is a referral link that the person who click the play button and created an account that let the referrer earn profits through referral program of the site by posting it on this forum. I think the most victim of those forum users with dummy account that is bluffing about a site are newbie gamblers. Do you think that's the reason why there is so many newbie accounts promoting sites?. I think that's what they do to avoid their main account from getting "NEGATIVE TRUST" or "RED TRUST".
Its quite obvious that high ranking members of this forum end up creating newbie accounts in order to scam people and keep their main accounts safe.

Newbie accounts can be created in droves making it an easier route to exploiting innocent people which is why it is a lot easier to trust high ranking members when compared to newbies in this forum.


Title: Re: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
Post by: MakeMoneyBtc on March 17, 2019, 04:17:03 PM
My advice is you should work and give proof to people, do what you want to do if your site is really good and worth. I am sure that we will see a good result. But if it's not good, then your site will not grow as you want. Don't give promises if you can't make it happen because people will see how you will go to prove the promises.

It needs time to be a recommended gambling site because we never know who will satisfy with your service and that is not your job. Your job is only to make a good site, and you give the proof that your site is worth to compete with the other gambling site. In the end, you will get what you want.
Proof of what? If he really is the owner(wich is about 99% sure) of this gambling website then we have all the proof we need right here. He called his gambling website an investment website in the past, saying it offers automatically profit every month without doing anything. Shorter, he promoted this website as a HYIP lying that he had thousands of customers already and he owns a company with dozens of employees.


Title: Re: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
Post by: Catmurs on March 17, 2019, 04:22:02 PM
My advice is you should work and give proof to people, do what you want to do if your site is really good and worth. I am sure that we will see a good result. But if it's not good, then your site will not grow as you want. Don't give promises if you can't make it happen because people will see how you will go to prove the promises.

It needs time to be a recommended gambling site because we never know who will satisfy with your service and that is not your job. Your job is only to make a good site, and you give the proof that your site is worth to compete with the other gambling site. In the end, you will get what you want.
Proof of what? If he really is the owner(wich is about 99% sure) of this gambling website then we have all the proof we need right here. He called his gambling website an investment website in the past, saying it offers automatically profit every month without doing anything. Shorter, he promoted this website as a HYIP lying that he had thousands of customers already and he owns a company with dozens of employees.
I think it was simply a legend, the site looks very simple, of course it is better not to trust such a site and avoid .


Title: Re: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
Post by: Duzter on March 17, 2019, 05:06:29 PM
The sports betting access and the casino betting access is perfect, but people won't simply get into to spend some on gambling. They look for the trust, on time settlement of winning bets. To gain trust on gambling network is possible through providing regular updates as well promotion through different sources. This is the way possible to get the good user into the gambling website.


Title: Re: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
Post by: ballerin and giroud on March 17, 2019, 06:36:12 PM
My advice is you should work and give proof to people, do what you want to do if your site is really good and worth. I am sure that we will see a good result. But if it's not good, then your site will not grow as you want. Don't give promises if you can't make it happen because people will see how you will go to prove the promises.

It needs time to be a recommended gambling site because we never know who will satisfy with your service and that is not your job. Your job is only to make a good site, and you give the proof that your site is worth to compete with the other gambling site. In the end, you will get what you want.
Proof of what? If he really is the owner(wich is about 99% sure) of this gambling website then we have all the proof we need right here. He called his gambling website an investment website in the past, saying it offers automatically profit every month without doing anything. Shorter, he promoted this website as a HYIP lying that he had thousands of customers already and he owns a company with dozens of employees.
He made this thread since 3 days ago and till now we never see he back and answer what everyone's doubt to his site. Just thinking if this site really legit then he will try to convince everyone here with clear answers and even he will try to coax in order to his trust come back to neutral.


Title: Re: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
Post by: BTCevo on March 19, 2019, 05:20:11 PM
The sports betting access and the casino betting access is perfect, but people won't simply get into to spend some on gambling. They look for the trust, on time settlement of winning bets. To gain trust on gambling network is possible through providing regular updates as well promotion through different sources. This is the way possible to get the good user into the gambling website.

They need to make some promotion in other to gain trust and more members to play. I do not say that it is that bad, they actually having a good site and design but without the trust of the people the site wont be able to work and gain some profit. They need to do something better to gain people trust. I can suggest giving a better affiliates program is one a good thing


Title: Re: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
Post by: mindrust on March 19, 2019, 05:40:43 PM
You better start from scratch.

You are not going to get any players from this forum with that trust rating. From somewhere else? Probably. But not from here.

Start another casino and this time do it right. Don't give any false promises.


Title: Re: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
Post by: Zadicar on March 19, 2019, 08:52:34 PM
My advice is you should work and give proof to people, do what you want to do if your site is really good and worth. I am sure that we will see a good result. But if it's not good, then your site will not grow as you want. Don't give promises if you can't make it happen because people will see how you will go to prove the promises.

It needs time to be a recommended gambling site because we never know who will satisfy with your service and that is not your job. Your job is only to make a good site, and you give the proof that your site is worth to compete with the other gambling site. In the end, you will get what you want.
Proof of what? If he really is the owner(wich is about 99% sure) of this gambling website then we have all the proof we need right here. He called his gambling website an investment website in the past, saying it offers automatically profit every month without doing anything. Shorter, he promoted this website as a HYIP lying that he had thousands of customers already and he owns a company with dozens of employees.
He made this thread since 3 days ago and till now we never see he back and answer what everyone's doubt to his site. Just thinking if this site really legit then he will try to convince everyone here with clear answers and even he will try to coax in order to his trust come back to neutral.
Thats the sad part on most new gambling site posters which most of them do leave their thread or abandon after the post was made which would leave out negative impressions in the end and also
answering peoples questions nor other things positively wont really remove his trust ratings to neutral yet it is involved into different matter.


Title: Re: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
Post by: TimeTeller on March 19, 2019, 09:13:34 PM
How can an online casino boasting to have the-

https://i.imgur.com/3NqMxO8.png

and with  https://i.imgur.com/KnBCncR.png

will have a non secure site up until now?  

https://i.imgur.com/ey4Y0J9.png

So tell me, did they manipulate the numbers here or they already deceived more than 1k customers?

You better start from scratch.

You are not going to get any players from this forum with that trust rating. From somewhere else? Probably. But not from here.

Start another casino and this time do it right. Don't give any false promises.

I guess you are right, he can't get players from this forum because most of the users now are smart enough to be lured by this type of site.


Title: Re: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
Post by: panjul07 on March 20, 2019, 02:55:39 AM
So tell me, did they manipulate the numbers here or they already deceived more than 1k customers?

99.99% those are fake numbers, I cant even believe if this site has more than 10 customers. They are faking stats to fool people, but they forget that not all people are that dumb to be fooled by fake number or fake stats. No reasons to use this service, stay away is still be best thing to do.


Title: Re: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
Post by: playnow777 on March 21, 2019, 08:08:30 PM
Hey to all.

I can to answer to all questions.

My name is Fernando and I am marketing manager of Playnow777.com

the site is https://playnow777.com/ ( we have of course ssl )

First of all playnow777.com act as agent / affiliate in a lot of platforms ( famous or not ) in sportsbook \ exchanges \ asian trading platforms.

Second, we act as investor on Value Betting, Arbitrage Betting and Bonuses worldwide.

What we mean.

If we can play our average stake 100-200-500 euros per betting slip and we can get 0.5 to 2.0% etc ...

Ok, we have a lot of funds but if we can use your funds and share you one small profit from our profit in these methods why is bad ?

We are not thieves or scammers.

We would like to work online, not only offline like last years with private customers.

About 5+ millions is not so hard number because is the TURNOVER of bettings slips and casino. etc

We are very happy to any answer here and in our email or skype.
Give us the change to prove who we are. Just this.

Because here we can not answer in any reply.

I am sorry for my english.

Thank you to all.

Nice to meet you.

Email is info@playnow777.com
skype is the same email.

Fernando
Marketing
playnow777


Title: Re: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
Post by: raven7886 on March 22, 2019, 03:58:03 PM
It is not about the negative rating they have, its why they got it in the first place. Hell I can see STUNNA have some negative trusts written about him and we do not care why? Because we know what primedice and stake is about and how trustworthy Stunna is and so forth, that means when we see negative rating we do not run away, we still stay and think and see if that negative rating means something or not.

Almost ALL casinos have negative ratings about them at one point, the important thing is looking at why and how. These guys are telling a clear lie and constantly double down on the same lie, 5+ million? 1k+? They all look insane, first of all if you are such a great company and such an amazing platform that is already at 25+ staff with bunch of money made, you should definitely consider hiring someone to make this marketing presentation about your company better.

Obviously they are fairly new and have maybe 1 or at max 2 people working on it and maybe barely had 10 customers to them.


Title: Re: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
Post by: posi on March 22, 2019, 06:02:11 PM
It is not about the negative rating they have, its why they got it in the first place. Hell I can see STUNNA have some negative trusts written about him and we do not care why? Because we know what primedice and stake is about and how trustworthy Stunna is and so forth, that means when we see negative rating we do not run away, we still stay and think and see if that negative rating means something or not.

Almost ALL casinos have negative ratings about them at one point, the important thing is looking at why and how. These guys are telling a clear lie and constantly double down on the same lie, 5+ million? 1k+? They all look insane, first of all if you are such a great company and such an amazing platform that is already at 25+ staff with bunch of money made, you should definitely consider hiring someone to make this marketing presentation about your company better.

Obviously they are fairly new and have maybe 1 or at max 2 people working on it and maybe barely had 10 customers to them.
Almost all casino have negative rating at some point because it not easy to deal with numerous people, internet break and the hack issue but the majority people we have on this community are people who don't actually find out the real reason behind the red trust issue before they tagged people or project.
Meanwhile, I believe they have learn there lesson because the community prefer honesty than lies.



Title: Re: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
Post by: nakamura12 on March 24, 2019, 06:28:29 PM
Before you start advertising your project just make sure that you follow the rules first and what forum board is the suitable to post your advertisement. You are having a negative trust/score because of a certain reason. What is the reason actually? You can read the negative feedback of the one who give you that negative score. Since negative score won't do any good when advertising project and the one who give you negative score stated that you are
Promising 80% profits per year. Domain 43 days old with cheap/free Wordpress theme and yet they claim to have more than 10k customers, 50M TXs, 50+ employees, blabla. Obvious (potential ponzi) scam is obvious.
that seems fishy in my opinion becauss most gambling site don't have promotion as stated in your thread that bettors and gamblers can earn 80% profits per year which is hard to believe in my own opinion (no offense).


Title: Re: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
Post by: tanvir232 on March 24, 2019, 07:52:41 PM
Visit the site playnow777 good,feature,graphics is also good but have any offered in this sites?if had how much 10%? Or more?.i think just promoting to site!how people believe or trust this sites? Without any information just site links.its a scam.     


Title: Re: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
Post by: playnow777 on March 30, 2019, 11:48:42 AM
Dear Customer,

You are welcome to test us with small deposit 10 euros or more.

We are not scammers, just a new website ( from local networks with internet cafes or sports cafe - bars we start to offer our services ) online.

We will be very happy when members of bitcointalk start to choose us ( or test us ) and get back positive feedback here.

That's all.

Thank you.

Have a great and lucky weekend to all !

Special Regards,
Rio
Playnow777


Title: Re: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
Post by: Patatas on March 30, 2019, 11:56:58 AM
We will be very happy when members of bitcointalk start to choose us ( or test us ) and get back positive feedback here.
No one really does that here. People come here for criticism or just feedback in general, either positive or negative. In your case, I think you already have the answer.

You can't have a serious business with,

Quote
©  2019 Playnow777.com. Built using WordPress and OnePage Express Theme.
That shit is as fake as other affiliations shown on your website. Your team apparently has 25+ employees. That is bigger than the best gambling sites I've known.


Title: Re: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
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Title: Re: Playnow777 - Sports Betting and Casino Slot
Post by: okala on April 29, 2019, 09:24:23 AM
It is not about the negative rating they have, its why they got it in the first place. Hell I can see STUNNA have some negative trusts written about him and we do not care why? Because we know what primedice and stake is about and how trustworthy Stunna is and so forth, that means when we see negative rating we do not run away, we still stay and think and see if that negative rating means something or not.

Almost ALL casinos have negative ratings about them at one point, the important thing is looking at why and how. These guys are telling a clear lie and constantly double down on the same lie, 5+ million? 1k+? They all look insane, first of all if you are such a great company and such an amazing platform that is already at 25+ staff with bunch of money made, you should definitely consider hiring someone to make this marketing presentation about your company better.

Obviously they are fairly new and have maybe 1 or at max 2 people working on it and maybe barely had 10 customers to them.
Almost all casino have negative rating at some point because it not easy to deal with numerous people, internet break and the hack issue but the majority people we have on this community are people who don't actually find out the real reason behind the red trust issue before they tagged people or project.
Meanwhile, I believe they have learn there lesson because the community prefer honesty than lies.


You are very correct on this one but since the community value reputation cause that is one of the driving forces of the community, no matter what the case may be as long as there is a negative trust the sign is there to trade with caution. I know how hard it is to run a gambling site's considering the risk that in involved but the place of honesty can never be overemphasized.