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Economy => Gambling => Topic started by: BetaBit on March 17, 2019, 08:27:54 PM


Title: Betabit.org - PvP 2 Minute Jackpot & 30Max - Coinflip - Roulette - 0% Fees
Post by: BetaBit on March 17, 2019, 08:27:54 PM
https://betabit.org/upload/bnnr.png (https://www.betabit.org/)

As a side project that has been worked on for almost 3 years, it is finally released!



Temporary Demos while guest feature is being worked on

Jackpot Demo (https://www.betabit.org/img/bnr3.png)

30Max Demo (https://www.betabit.org/img/bnr2.png)

Coinflip Demo (https://www.betabit.org/img/bnr1.png)


Provability Fair:

This seeding event is using the same provably fair as Bustabit

Starting with a secret we've generated a chain of 25,000,000 SHA256 hashes. Each element is the hash of the lowercase, hexadecimal string representation of the previous hash. The hash of the chain's last element is 56982c4f61d8b1c25c9106a6e54d99bf761f368484f89283c6f645db2580e25f.

Every game maps to a hash in the chain: The 25,000,000th element of the chain is the hash of game #1 and the first element in the chain is the hash of game #25,000,000. To verify that a hash belongs to a game #n, simply hash it n times and compare the result with the terminating hash.

To calculate a game's result from its hash:
Code:
const crypto = require("crypto")

function gameResult(seed, salt) {
  const nBits = 52 // number of most significant bits to use

  // 1. HMAC_SHA256(key=salt, message=seed)
  const hmac = crypto.createHmac("sha256", salt)
  hmac.update(seed)
  seed = hmac.digest("hex")

  // 2. r = 52 most significant bits
  seed = seed.slice(0, nBits/4)
  const r = parseInt(seed, 16)

  // 3. X = r / 2^52
  let X = r / Math.pow(2, nBits) // uniformly distributed in [0; 1)

  // 4. X = 99 / (1-X)
  X = 99 / (1 - X)

  // 5. return max(trunc(X), 100)
  const result = Math.floor(X)
  return Math.max(1, result / 100)
}

Before being used to calculate the corresponding result, each game hash is salted with the lowercase, hexadecimal string representation of the hash of bitcoin block 567510. This block has been mined.

As there are no versus house gamemodes currently active there is no need to pick an un-mined block. As soon as Roulette or versus house game mode is introduced we will pick a new block that has not been mined which will look similar to this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5071751)

If you have any questions or concerns we will gladly answer them!

Title: Re: Betabit.org | PvP 2 Minute Jackpot & 30Max | Coinflip | Roulette
Post by: DarkStar_ on March 17, 2019, 08:33:24 PM
Aren't your fees a bit high? There's no reason for a player to play coinflip on your site as the 2% fee makes the bet a x1.96 payout and is double the house edge of a traditional dice site. The house takes no risk in this bet so there is really no need to be charging more than dice sites.

Title: Re: Betabit.org | PvP 2 Minute Jackpot & 30Max | Coinflip | Roulette
Post by: BetaBit on March 17, 2019, 08:42:46 PM
I suppose it would be appropriate to remove fees for now to gain new players  :)

Title: Re: Betabit.org | PvP 2 Minute Jackpot & 30Max | Coinflip | Roulette
Post by: Pedro12528 on March 17, 2019, 08:49:17 PM
Quote from: DarkStar_ on March 17, 2019, 08:33:24 PM
Aren't your fees a bit high? There's no reason for a player to play coinflip on your site as the 2% fee makes the bet a x1.96 payout and is double the house edge of a traditional dice site. The house takes no risk in this bet so there is really no need to be charging more than dice sites.
I agree, now there are a lot of similar sites and it’s just unwise to set such a large fee. Usually, a normal indicatorof house edge is 1 %

Title: Re: Betabit.org - PvP 2 Minute Jackpot & 30Max - Coinflip - Roulette - 0% Fees
Post by: MakeMoneyBtc on March 17, 2019, 09:09:52 PM
It seems like you cannot acces and try the website without having an account created there. You should think about creating a demo version of your games where people can test it and see how it looks and how it works before actually playing with real money. And this demo should be available for everyone, without needing to create an account to try it.

Title: Re: Betabit.org - PvP 2 Minute Jackpot & 30Max - Coinflip - Roulette - 0% Fees
Post by: BetaBit on March 17, 2019, 09:24:21 PM
Quote from: MakeMoneyBtc on March 17, 2019, 09:09:52 PM
It seems like you cannot acces and try the website without having an account created there. You should think about creating a demo version of your games where people can test it and see how it looks and how it works before actually playing with real money. And this demo should be available for everyone, without needing to create an account to try it.

Thank you for the feedback. This is something that was actually considered but didn't make it in before launching, we will look into it and possibly start implementing it over the following weeks.

Title: Re: Betabit.org - PvP 2 Minute Jackpot & 30Max - Coinflip - Roulette - 0% Fees
Post by: milewilda on March 17, 2019, 09:43:20 PM
Quote from: BetaBit on March 17, 2019, 09:24:21 PM
Quote from: MakeMoneyBtc on March 17, 2019, 09:09:52 PM
It seems like you cannot acces and try the website without having an account created there. You should think about creating a demo version of your games where people can test it and see how it looks and how it works before actually playing with real money. And this demo should be available for everyone, without needing to create an account to try it.

Thank you for the feedback. This is something that was actually considered but didn't make it in before launching, we will look into it and possibly start implementing it over the following weeks.
Also my complain too where i do need to register first before you would able to have a glimpse of the site.When i do see that email verification i do already lost
my interest to proceed on.Just as been suggested you should atleast have that kind of demo so that people will directly find on whats the thing being offered on your site.
First impressions do last.

Title: Re: Betabit.org - PvP 2 Minute Jackpot & 30Max - Coinflip - Roulette - 0% Fees
Post by: BetaBit on March 17, 2019, 10:08:58 PM
Quote from: milewilda on March 17, 2019, 09:43:20 PM
Quote from: BetaBit on March 17, 2019, 09:24:21 PM
Quote from: MakeMoneyBtc on March 17, 2019, 09:09:52 PM
It seems like you cannot acces and try the website without having an account created there. You should think about creating a demo version of your games where people can test it and see how it looks and how it works before actually playing with real money. And this demo should be available for everyone, without needing to create an account to try it.

Thank you for the feedback. This is something that was actually considered but didn't make it in before launching, we will look into it and possibly start implementing it over the following weeks.
Also my complain too where i do need to register first before you would able to have a glimpse of the site.When i do see that email verification i do already lost
my interest to proceed on.Just as been suggested you should atleast have that kind of demo so that people will directly find on whats the thing being offered on your site.
First impressions do last.

Thanks for the feedback. As a temporary solution I have provided screenshot demos on the thread. This feature will be moved to the top of our priorities.

Title: Re: Betabit.org - PvP 2 Minute Jackpot & 30Max - Coinflip - Roulette - 0% Fees
Post by: Diamond Member on March 17, 2019, 11:54:57 PM
If you are offering "0% Fees" how are you planning on making money?

If your casino is offering PvP games, it would make sense to have lower fees than "traditional" bitcoin casinos because players are not playing against you, but some fees would still be appropriate because you are providing a service and venue.

Title: Re: Betabit.org - PvP 2 Minute Jackpot & 30Max - Coinflip - Roulette - 0% Fees
Post by: DarkStar_ on March 18, 2019, 12:18:11 AM
Quote from: Diamond Member on March 17, 2019, 11:54:57 PM
If you are offering "0% Fees" how are you planning on making money?

If your casino is offering PvP games, it would make sense to have lower fees than "traditional" bitcoin casinos because players are not playing against you, but some fees would still be appropriate because you are providing a service and venue.

Read the other posts:

Quote from: BetaBit on March 17, 2019, 08:42:46 PM
I suppose it would be appropriate to remove fees for now to gain new players  :)

Title: Re: Betabit.org - PvP 2 Minute Jackpot & 30Max - Coinflip - Roulette - 0% Fees
Post by: BetaBit on March 18, 2019, 12:27:18 AM
Quote from: Diamond Member on March 17, 2019, 11:54:57 PM
If you are offering "0% Fees" how are you planning on making money?

If your casino is offering PvP games, it would make sense to have lower fees than "traditional" bitcoin casinos because players are not playing against you, but some fees would still be appropriate because you are providing a service and venue.

0% Fees is short term to attract players and money isn't the biggest concern, if it was it wouldn't have taken almost 3 years to develop if it makes money it makes money, I am going to try and keep this project running for a really long time. The goal is to build reputation and trust between the players as this popped out of no where and people have suspicion. I will be doing giveaways quests and puzzles over time to hopefully attract players :^)

Title: Re: Betabit.org - PvP 2 Minute Jackpot & 30Max - Coinflip - Roulette - 0% Fees
Post by: Bitinity on March 18, 2019, 02:19:09 AM
You have worked for this project for 3 years but you forget to make FAQ, ToS, Support page? Those three are must have information for any services.

Edit: Ah got it, so users must have an account to see the ToS, Support, etc. It should be accessible publicly without having an account imo. Usually users who want to register should be asked to to accept the terms, by your way it is like that you are forcing users to accept the terms as it is only accessible once we have account on your site.

Title: Re: Betabit.org - PvP 2 Minute Jackpot & 30Max - Coinflip - Roulette - 0% Fees
Post by: MakeMoneyBtc on March 18, 2019, 04:11:40 AM
Quote from: Bitinity on March 18, 2019, 02:19:09 AM
Usually users who want to register should be asked to to accept the terms, by your way it is like that you are forcing users to accept the terms as it is only accessible once we have account on your site.
That's the same thing that came into my mind first time I accessed the website, he is forcing people to register before they can even see how the website looks or at least read some information about its term and conditions. I am sure that wasn't the intention and it was just something they probably didn't thought it was going to affect people.
OP has already announced their top priority now is to change their website interface so I guess our requests will be applied and we should not worry about this anymore.

Title: Re: Betabit.org - PvP 2 Minute Jackpot & 30Max - Coinflip - Roulette - 0% Fees
Post by: BetaBit on March 18, 2019, 06:27:32 AM
Quote from: Bitinity on March 18, 2019, 02:19:09 AM
You have worked for this project for 3 years but you forget to make FAQ, ToS, Support page? Those three are must have information for any services.

Edit: Ah got it, so users must have an account to see the ToS, Support, etc. It should be accessible publicly without having an account imo. Usually users who want to register should be asked to to accept the terms, by your way it is like that you are forcing users to accept the terms as it is only accessible once we have account on your site.

Hey thanks for your input. I'm not sure what you mean by saying users must have an account to see the ToS? It is possible to view ToS and privacy policy publicly without creating an account in the login page at the bottom left corner. I have changed the color as it was probably hard to see.

Title: Re: Betabit.org - PvP 2 Minute Jackpot & 30Max - Coinflip - Roulette - 0% Fees
Post by: kurian on March 18, 2019, 06:38:29 AM
If there is an instant registration/ no registration feature, it would be easier for users to try the website. Now, one cannot play without signing up. There are no active players except some guy called 'chao'. I guess its the admin himself. I have created an account and I will wait for somedays to see some activity on the website. A live chat feature would be appreciable.

Title: Re: Betabit.org - PvP 2 Minute Jackpot & 30Max - Coinflip - Roulette - 0% Fees
Post by: awawo on March 18, 2019, 07:10:05 AM
What I have noticed with all this new gambling sites is their high fees and exclusion of sport betting on they sites, the bots and all other features are very OK but those two thing are important. Low fees will draw Gammer's to your site it's not good to have minimum deposits and withdrawal.

Title: Re: Betabit.org - PvP 2 Minute Jackpot & 30Max - Coinflip - Roulette - 0% Fees
Post by: steampunkz on March 18, 2019, 07:24:41 AM
This site is still in beta right? The other game is still close, This needs more visitors, impression for the site. You may wanna give free coins or put faucets to people to test first your site.

Title: Re: Betabit.org - PvP 2 Minute Jackpot & 30Max - Coinflip - Roulette - 0% Fees
Post by: Haunebu on March 18, 2019, 08:18:07 AM
Quote from: Bitinity on March 18, 2019, 02:19:09 AM
You have worked for this project for 3 years but you forget to make FAQ, ToS, Support page? Those three are must have information for any services.

Edit: Ah got it, so users must have an account to see the ToS, Support, etc. It should be accessible publicly without having an account imo. Usually users who want to register should be asked to to accept the terms, by your way it is like that you are forcing users to accept the terms as it is only accessible once we have account on your site.
What are you talking about? The privacy policy and TOS are visible on the bottom left of the website though it is easily visible when viewed on a desktop when compared to a mobile.

The FAQ section is still missing though op which is something you need to add asap.

Title: Re: Betabit.org - PvP 2 Minute Jackpot & 30Max - Coinflip - Roulette - 0% Fees
Post by: slaman29 on March 19, 2019, 02:16:39 PM
Agree with mile, make registration optional. Do like all the good crypto sites now and make this first anonymous betting/playing allowed, but give them the option also of securing their account. An email is fine, but nowadays also I see some sites allow you to lock a bitcoin address to the account and you can retrieve it if you send a signed message from that account. That's the perfect solution for me.

Title: Re: Betabit.org - PvP 2 Minute Jackpot & 30Max - Coinflip - Roulette - 0% Fees
Post by: panjul07 on March 19, 2019, 02:29:26 PM
Sorry to say but the design is not giving a good first impression, it is a very simple design with two colors black and while. Black for the background and white for the font. The games you offers are not popular games as well, so I don't think it is a good start. I can see any bets made so far unless there is no bets history on your site. Having a faucet or free satoshi for new players could help you to make people awares about your site. These days, it is hard to make people interested to make deposit on a new site.

Title: Re: Betabit.org - PvP 2 Minute Jackpot & 30Max - Coinflip - Roulette - 0% Fees
Post by: Haunebu on March 25, 2019, 07:26:50 AM
https://i.imgur.com/LozKNC0.jpg
The above image displays how your website looks on a desktop op and the terms 'Privacy Policy' and 'Terms and conditions' are merged making the website look unprofessional which is something you need to rectify asap.

Title: Re: Betabit.org - PvP 2 Minute Jackpot & 30Max - Coinflip - Roulette - 0% Fees
Post by: panjul07 on March 25, 2019, 09:55:46 AM
This site is not developed well or maybe the owner is in a hurry to launch a gambling site in order to make profit but he did make a mistake in choosing the games IMO. Maybe he wants to give something new in this industry but it is not going well as expected. No significant updates/news since the launch.

Title: Re: Betabit.org - PvP 2 Minute Jackpot & 30Max - Coinflip - Roulette - 0% Fees
Post by: alisafidel58 on March 25, 2019, 10:40:05 AM
Quote from: panjul07 on March 25, 2019, 09:55:46 AM
This site is not developed well or maybe the owner is in a hurry to launch a gambling site in order to make profit but he did make a mistake in choosing the games IMO. Maybe he wants to give something new in this industry but it is not going well as expected. No significant updates/news since the launch.

The owner was really in a hurry when he made the site. Rushing things thinking that he could gain a player with a lazy site.

Title: Re: Betabit.org - PvP 2 Minute Jackpot & 30Max - Coinflip - Roulette - 0% Fees
Post by: edisystem on March 25, 2019, 10:50:36 AM
Just checked your site but it redirected me to login tab. How to check your games without login first?

I agree with others here, please make it to able check the games and information of the website first without register first.

edited: just checked the demo image, sorry.


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