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Title: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: logfiles on March 18, 2019, 09:44:33 PM
I was looking at dappradar and i was quite amazed by the fact that EOS and TRON have really taken over the stage of gambling dapps and ETH is really struggling to catch up even though TRON and EOS are just barely a year old each.
According to the ranking below, the top most dapp that is built on Ethereum network is Playtowin.io that only comes at number 16.

The Rankings are based on a number of factors including number of users, number of transactions, total token volume in 24 hours etc

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/07/19/nuT3g.png

So this got me wondering
1. Why are Ethereum Gambling Dapps not a thing?
2. Why are TRON and EOS beating Ethereum Network in the game of gambling dapps thou the later seems to be much older?


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: MakeMoneyBtc on March 18, 2019, 11:29:58 PM
EOS and TRON platforms have an advantage against Ethereum in their speed technology. Because EOS and TRON have been released a long time after Ethereum has, their technology is much more advanced and they have their advantages are the lower costs for transactions and the high TPS(transactions per second). I am predicting in the future something even better will be created, probably a token especially designed for gambling platforms.


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: rizkyhiw on March 18, 2019, 11:44:54 PM
Back in comfort, it is the main target for EOS and TRON to prove that they are very decent to make something different, people like something fast, both are very good coins with a good team without hanging other coins, back to the comfort of gambling very needed to attract more people to play, it's very good.


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: leonair on March 19, 2019, 12:31:18 AM
Even though Ethereum got first in the game but TRON and EOS enter with a hot motives and momentum. The reason that I think why more people uses the TRONbet and EOSBet rather than playtowin is it has a more catchy website and convenience when you play there and we all know that TRON and EOS has a lesser value so it's more practical to most of the gamblers.


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: ralle14 on March 19, 2019, 01:47:30 AM
There's more gambling dapp that are successful on TRON and EOS because there's less competition. When you look for gambling sites on TRON and EOS there's no big gambling site that accepts these cryptocurrencies without having to use an exchange. ETH might be the second most gambled cryptocurrency judging from how many reputable Bitcoin gambling sites started to accept it.



Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: libert19 on March 19, 2019, 04:01:40 AM
Fee less transactions, on ethereum you have pay for every transaction you do or you have to put large amount on gambling site then play by that.


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: shoreno on March 19, 2019, 05:22:07 AM
Because EOS and TRON have been released a long time after Ethereum has, their technology is much more advanced

eth must be better compare to eos and tron because eth is created earlier than them which also means that eth has gone thru alot of improvements and patches according to the users demand  . eth is nearly on its alpha stage while both eos and tron are on thier beta stage because they are created later than eth which also means they still have a bugs  .  for me its not about the ranking but its the originality . eth is the original while others are just copying  .


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: libert19 on March 19, 2019, 05:39:39 AM
Because EOS and TRON have been released a long time after Ethereum has, their technology is much more advanced

eth must be better compare to eos and tron because eth is created earlier than them which also means that eth has gone thru alot of improvements and patches according to the users demand  . eth is nearly on its alpha stage while both eos and tron are on thier beta stage because they are created later than eth which also means they still have a bugs  .  for me its not about the ranking but its the originality . eth is the original while others are just copying  .

Earlier the better? That's not right. EOS (never used tron) solved problems that Ethereum had/has.

I find your comment lame tbh.


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: EastSound on March 19, 2019, 06:18:08 AM
So this got me wondering
1. Why are Ethereum Gambling Dapps not a thing?
2. Why are TRON and EOS beating Ethereum Network in the game of gambling dapps thou the later seems to be much older?

Remember cryptokitties? It rekt the Eth Network because it cant handle the transaction volume. Also the price of gas would be also an issue, small players would get hurt by playing with small amounts.


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: mu_enrico on March 19, 2019, 06:23:23 AM
Remember cryptokitties? It rekt the Eth Network because it cant handle the transaction volume. Also the price of gas would be also an issue, small players would get hurt by playing with small amounts.
Yup, at the current state of Ethereum (POW), it is impossible to beat the POS-based dapps in term of speed and transaction fees. Both EOS and TRON actually reap the benefit of the Ethereum failure to speed up its development.


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: pinoycash on March 19, 2019, 06:46:00 AM
Cheaper Transaction - Due to lower price of each EOS & Tron its a 100% cost effective 
Faster Transaction - Both EOS and Tron offers faster transaction compare to ETH.

In a few months time most dapp's will run in EOS & TRON platform thus limiting the total market share of ethereum in the dapp's market.


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: Caladonian on March 19, 2019, 06:47:58 AM
Fee less transactions, on ethereum you have pay for every transaction you do or you have to put large amount on gambling site then play by that.
Which is one of those factors that this two platform have right now, they do offer minimal fees and with the ongoing competitions around
the market, gamblers will love to play with small amount of fees in each time they will be playing inside.

We will going to see and observed if this platform will be more successful from this venue to developed their projects.


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: EastSound on March 19, 2019, 07:48:21 AM
Fee less transactions, on ethereum you have pay for every transaction you do or you have to put large amount on gambling site then play by that.
Which is one of those factors that this two platform have right now, they do offer minimal fees and with the ongoing competitions around
the market, gamblers will love to play with small amount of fees in each time they will be playing inside.

We will going to see and observed if this platform will be more successful from this venue to developed their projects.

Freezing some Tron would give you a 0 fee transaction. Probably in the next few years those centralized casinos will slowly fade-away because decentralized casinos are better in terms of security and fairness.


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: Heisenberg_Hunter on March 19, 2019, 08:02:53 AM
When it comes to gambling industry, there are certain factors which must be adopted by the gambling companies for them to remain competitive in the market of dApps. Scalability is seen as a favouring theory when it comes to the adoption of TRON and EOS in Gambling. When there are a lot of gamblers trying out the application to gamble, the blockchain must process hundrends and thousands of transactions per second. If you consider the transaction processing, TRON processes around 10,000 transactions per second through its blockchain whereas the Eth can handle only upto 25 transactions per second. But off chain scaling technologies such as Raiden help the network in carrying out larger sets of transactions at a faster rate, though they cannot be as competitive as the TRON transactions.

Transactions fees are much more important in the gambling industry. There exist very frequent trasactions on the blockchain, if the fees are high for each and every transaction or withdrawal there would'nt be much gamblers using the website for gambling. TRON along with EOS provides 0 fee transactions to take place in the blockchain. Hence if the gamblers are willing to do a withdrawal or transaction in the chain, they don't neeed to pay fees.

I am not really much familiar of TRON and EOS, but these factors serve as an important criteria in deciding of the adoption in the gambling world.


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: Xenrise on March 19, 2019, 09:56:10 AM
I think it is because of the fees involved using these coins. EOS and TRON's fee in sending some is not that high compare to eth. If you send .02 eth for example, you might only get .018 to .015-ish eth to your gambling wallet.


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: imstillthebest on March 19, 2019, 10:16:55 AM
I think it is because of the fees involved using these coins. EOS and TRON's fee in sending some is not that high compare to eth. If you send .02 eth for example, you might only get .018 to .015-ish eth to your gambling wallet.

The example fees that you stated above are a bit too much . eth fees isnt expensive enough and how much more if the eth value drops just like we are experiencing now ?  Its expected the fees are now inexpensive compare to when eth is at its ath  .  there's only small difference in fees between eos , tron and eth but i guess people nowadays are more wiser  . they will always find a way to save money


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: EastSound on March 19, 2019, 11:36:06 AM
I think it is because of the fees involved using these coins. EOS and TRON's fee in sending some is not that high compare to eth. If you send .02 eth for example, you might only get .018 to .015-ish eth to your gambling wallet.

The example fees that you stated above are a bit too much . eth fees isnt expensive enough and how much more if the eth value drops just like we are experiencing now ?  Its expected the fees are now inexpensive compare to when eth is at its ath  .  there's only small difference in fees between eos , tron and eth but i guess people nowadays are more wiser  . they will always find a way to save money

you forgot that Eth can't cope up with the transactions and it was playing around 40 gwei - 75 gwei when the network experienced high volume of transactions.


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: MakeMoneyBtc on March 19, 2019, 12:14:44 PM
I think it is because of the fees involved using these coins. EOS and TRON's fee in sending some is not that high compare to eth. If you send .02 eth for example, you might only get .018 to .015-ish eth to your gambling wallet.

The example fees that you stated above are a bit too much . eth fees isnt expensive enough and how much more if the eth value drops just like we are experiencing now ?  Its expected the fees are now inexpensive compare to when eth is at its ath  .  there's only small difference in fees between eos , tron and eth but i guess people nowadays are more wiser  . they will always find a way to save money
When you simply compare eth fees to EOS or TRON fees you think the difference between them is way to small to be taken in consideration but the problem is people are not making only a couple transactions every day. Gambling websites have thousands of transactions coming in and out from their wallets and on that's why fees play a major role in this situation because little by little the sum gets bigger,especially when. We think about it on a long term.


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: traderethereum on March 19, 2019, 01:36:13 PM
I think people now want to try something new, they are too familiar with the existing gambling websites, and they want to get the new experience by using another platform. This could make ETH aware because if they don't give an update or something else, they can not compete with EOS or TRON in the future because that two platforms now have a new technology than ETH. I think we will see something different from those two platforms.


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: slaman29 on March 19, 2019, 02:49:31 PM
That's really strange and it's news to me because I haven't tried a single EOS or TRON platform dapp for gambling yet.

I've seen a few threads already started on this forum but I wonder why there aren't more if it's true that these platforms are getting a lot of gambling app attention?

Any of your regulars tried out these EOS/TRON types?


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: avikz on March 19, 2019, 03:35:44 PM
I can say only two reason behind EOS and TRON beating ETH in gambling Dapps. (already indicated by other members as well)

1. Cheaper transactions
2. Faster transactions

However, TRON is even winning over EOS in some technical as well as financial aspects. TRON had launched a gaming fund of $100 millions back in late 2018 as "TRON Arcade" and started investing the fund in prominent gaming dapps which had boosted the popularity of TRON to the next level. The CEO of TRON made the below statement while releasing,

Quote
“TRON strives to tackle existing issues faced by the gaming industry by leveraging the open, transparent, and immutable blockchain technology. TRON Arcade will play a crucial role in encouraging developers to join in our mission and provide the best blockchain gaming experience to users around the world."

So when the owner of a financial network supports gambling as one of their major focus areas, you won't see anything other than growth which is now reflecting very prominently!


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: spadormie on March 19, 2019, 04:01:42 PM
I can say only two reason behind EOS and TRON beating ETH in gambling Dapps. (already indicated by other members as well)

1. Cheaper transactions
2. Faster transactions



I agree that EOS and TRON have cheaper transactions. I have no worries in sending TRON in different exchanges. It's cheap and it's good for arbitrage, especially last year, in which TRON was dumped at binance and pumped in hitbtc.

For faster transactions, I don't think that ETH has a slow network in transferring funds. What affects its pace is when there is a major issue with it.  The only slow transaction I got from TRON was also last year, I arbitrade my TRX from binance to hitbtc. Since there was a massive of TRX transferring it took 6 days for the funds to go.

I think that the transaction for EOS and TRON are cheaper and that's what all people wanted to have, a fast network in which funds can travel faster than bitcoin and a cheap fee.


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: sana54210 on March 19, 2019, 08:23:40 PM
Muuuuuch better marketing. ETH dapps are mainly focused on other things, data, games, collectibles and stuff like that, cryptokitties for example is much bigger than any of this not because they are used more or have bigger amounts and all that but they are known a lot more and they even got some funding from big companies.

Eos and Tron is focusing on marketing their dapps for casinos and they are helping out people who run the casinos and trying to build a platform on that premise so they could at least have a reason to exist. Do not forget a coin that has no utility at all eventually goes down so they want to be a coin that is used for something and gambling was the first thing that came to them.

Obviously just like a rock to water wave affect when one became famous and made a ton of money many people copied and tried to the same which increased the number of casinos there.


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: logfiles on March 19, 2019, 10:15:27 PM
Thanks members for your replies and there seems to be a constant
- Transaction fees
- Transactions per second on a platform
- marketing

Am not really so technically knowledgeable when it comes to building dapps on these platforms but could build gambling dapps and deploying contracts on EOS and TRON be much easier and cheaper compared to the Ethereum Network?
Could it also be another contributing factor?

That's really strange and it's news to me because I haven't tried a single EOS or TRON platform dapp for gambling yet.
I've seen a few threads already started on this forum but I wonder why there aren't more if it's true that these platforms are getting a lot of gambling app attention?
Any of your regulars tried out these EOS/TRON types?
It's not strange, it's the reality.
I have used a half a dozen EOS dapps such as EOSJacks, BetDice, Poker EOS game, Poker King etc. I haven't used TRON dapps but I believe they are familiar to EOS games because the two p[platforms use the same Proof of Stake concept unlike Ethereum Network.


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: carlfebz2 on March 19, 2019, 10:52:44 PM
Actually tried out these 3 when it comes to gambling platforms.If you do try to look at, EOS and TRON do really have much faster transaction plus cheaper fees which had been said above
plus most of their GUI is attractive.The good thing i do like with these are the dividend system.


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: Heisenberg_Hunter on March 20, 2019, 07:16:13 AM
The most important problem with the Eth is that the developers need to learn through a new coding language (Solidity) whereas developers can build dapps in Tron using the Java.

Though Eth is regarded as the Decentralized World computer, it repeatedly faces a lot of competitive moves from the Tron, Neo and EOS. If we consider Neo, developers can write contracts based on Java, C# and other major level languages are soon to be adopted. This will prevent the barriers for almost all the developers and they wouldn't have the hurdle for reading a new language such as solidity for developing their dapps.

Am not really so technically knowledgeable when it comes to building dapps on these platforms but could build gambling dapps and deploying contracts on EOS and TRON be much easier and cheaper compared to the Ethereum Network?
Could it also be another contributing factor?

Ofcourse Yes. Hiring of solidity developer will cost higher than the one who knows Java and C# probably. Solidity is a new language and it takes time for the developers to master the language.


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: sana54210 on March 20, 2019, 11:03:40 AM
I think when people want to choose dapp platform, there are certain things they check for and that is scalability and Security. Ethereum have been well known to have given up on scalability and decentralization, and  this is mainly what people put into consideration for dapp  game while TRONS and EOS on the other hand solves the scalability issue, TRON and EOS have tried  to work on delegated proof of stake consensus  algorithm.

Although for security Ethereum cannot run away, so it is safe but I think TRONS and EOS was picked over Ethereum because they could offer both. They are save and at the same time have been able to bring solution to scalability issue which is even considered more important to developers


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: MOREPHIPE on March 20, 2019, 11:14:58 AM
Because, TRON dapps are evolving. Take TronCrush an example, it manages to offer constant and increasing volume and dividends with creative designs.
You can check it out. The game is not live yet. But it already has almost 300 pre-registereds

https://www.troncrush.com/
https://t.me/troncrush


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: Bttzed03 on March 20, 2019, 11:22:59 AM
EOS and Tron were able to catch up to Ethereum's popularity while Ethereum is still unable to catch up to EOS and Tron's speed and scalability. Users would prefer faster dapps any day.


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: shinratensei_ on March 20, 2019, 11:25:46 AM
EOS and Tron were able to catch up to Ethereum's popularity while Ethereum is still unable to catch up to EOS and Tron's speed and scalability. Users would prefer faster dapps any day.
This is about most of gambling platform and most of the users are using a small transaction to gambling in the platform and the owner are taking tron and EOS because the transaction fees even cheaper than ethereum but fully regulated platform that supported by government will always use ethereum consider that's not a security. you can take a look on USDDEX


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: makerst on March 20, 2019, 11:26:46 AM
Because these are new platforms on which we can already see how many projects really work seriously. Therefore, it seems to me that sooner or later, ETH will already fade into the background and still be able to actually do its refactoring.


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: znation on March 20, 2019, 11:36:35 AM
As far as I think ETH is born not to do and develop in gambling, but something else. Although ETH sometimes has higher gas or transaction fees, I think it will gradually improve, projections. Projects such as TRON, EOS were born after ETH, so it was better to improve and of course cheaper to attract users in the gambling industry.


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: icalical on March 20, 2019, 11:46:03 AM
There are many reasons why EOS and TRON are better than Ethereum DApps, EOS and TRON are more advances on their platform and Ethereum is kinda slow on their development, they fall behind. The most recognized benefit when using EOS and TRON is the transaction speed, EOS and TRON has much faster transaction speed than ETH, and other than that it is way cheaper, so the transaction fees will be cheaper.


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: bitgolden on March 21, 2019, 07:25:04 PM
Even though Ethereum got first in the game but TRON and EOS enter with a hot motives and momentum. The reason that I think why more people uses the TRONbet and EOSBet rather than playtowin is it has a more catchy website and convenience when you play there and we all know that TRON and EOS has a lesser value so it's more practical to most of the gamblers.
Ethereum may have actually been in the game but they struggled with the issues of scalability and couldn’t resolve it.
So, aside EOS AND TRON having a catchier site and convenience, EOS and TRONS came to make the correction of where Ethereum they lacked behind especially in the area of scalability.

Since, it will be for developers to make their pick, I have the feelings that US and Europe will go with Ethereum, for the purpose of privacy, while I think Asians will rater prefer TRONS because of the scalability and also its low cost.


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: logfiles on March 27, 2019, 10:55:52 PM
So, aside EOS AND TRON having a catchier site and convenience, EOS and TRONS came to make the correction of where Ethereum they lacked behind especially in the area of scalability.
Having a catchier site has nothing to do with the blockchain thou i agree with the second part of your point.

Since, it will be for developers to make their pick, I have the feelings that US and Europe will go with Ethereum, for the purpose of privacy, while I think Asians will rater prefer TRONS because of the scalability and also its low cost.
Would you mind enlightening me how Ethereum is more privacy friendly compared to TRON/EOS?
And how is it that Asians are less privacy conscious compared to Europeans or US user? Any data?

I believe reason why Asians mostly use TRON/EOS more is because the two projects originate from there, China I think and most exchanges and dapps are mostly in languages from that side.


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: mrdeposit on March 27, 2019, 11:21:58 PM
As far as I think ETH is born not to do and develop in gambling, but something else. Although ETH sometimes has higher gas or transaction fees, I think it will gradually improve, projections. Projects such as TRON, EOS were born after ETH, so it was better to improve and of course cheaper to attract users in the gambling industry.

The problem is not only about which platform DAPP developers wanna to use. The interest to projects are decreasing day by day and the end doesn't look so good.


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: logfiles on March 28, 2019, 03:34:35 PM
The problem is not only about which platform DAPP developers wanna to use. The interest to projects are decreasing day by day and the end doesn't look so good.
Yup, lots of scam projects and the bear market affected people's interest especially newbies to cryptos. Some of them now think the whole thing of cryptocurrency is total scam.


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: coinplus on March 28, 2019, 06:35:52 PM
EOS and TRON are beating the ethereum dapp because of the way this projects were built.

In ethereum, one would have to spend actually ethereum before you can deploy a smart contract to the blockchain making a lot of persons handicap because not everyone will want to waste real ethereum working on dapps.

The EOS blockchain is very much different because it is free of charge, it takes nothing to deploy a dapp on the EOS blockchain and also takes nothing to make transactions on the blockchain too, this is why many developers adopt EOS than ethereum since it's better for them.


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: logfiles on March 28, 2019, 07:10:48 PM
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Thank you so much @Coinplus for giving an explanation about how smart contracts are deployed mentioned platforms. I was wondering how much it actually takes devs to deploy contracts in them and the reason could be one of the major reasons as to why EOS and TRON are giving Ethereum a run for its money.
Nobody had actually pointed it out.


Title: Re: Why are EOS and TRON platforms beating ETH in gambling dapp rankings?
Post by: mu_enrico on March 29, 2019, 05:35:45 AM
EOS and TRON are beating the ethereum dapp because of the way this projects were built.

In ethereum, one would have to spend actually ethereum before you can deploy a smart contract to the blockchain making a lot of persons handicap because not everyone will want to waste real ethereum working on dapps.
Yeah, your comment makes sense and would be one of the factors why dCasino devs choose EOS and TRON. However, I think it's not the main reason. Developers can use testnet right? So they will deploy smart contracts on testnet and make sure everything is ready before migrating to mainnet. Ethereum current performance simply cannot do the on-chain bet, just like cryptokitties' case.