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Bitcoin has a market cap of 70 billion. This is very low when compared with the stock market or the gold market. There are many groups that can buy the total number of Bitcoin in circulation with a price of $4000. They can easily manipulate the market both sides up or down. Bitcoin 70% supply is stored in a very less number of wallets say 5%. Don't you think Bitcoin can easily manipulate and below $1000 is still possible?
 

It can easily be manipulated by people if they see enough reason or incentives to do so, but until then they'll just stick into traditional markets wherein the action and trade volume is guaranteed for the most parts of the day and they won't be having a hard time dumping if they need to immediately leave the market. For now, people are just playing the long game for bitcoin with the sudden surge in volume since February while the prices remain to be hovering between $3500 and $4000. This to me seems like the accumulation phase and once everything sparks come Q2 or Q3 2019, another bull run might be in store for the bitcoin markets.

Big whales can make it as they are capable enough to play the market but I feel also that manipulation may not be effective for now cause investors are already aware for such intentions. It turns that, manipulations won't play this time and all the price fluctuations we have now is just a normal event. As we notice that, no more hypes recently open in the market and all prices may varies only with Bitcoin. This means that whales have no intention make hypes again and they'll just helping it now to regain trust of the people towards crypto.

On the whole cryptocurrency is manipulative, bitcoin too isn't an exception. From the market scenario of bitcoin with fluctuations I believe it can be manipulated to certain extent. Beyond that it is in the hands of the common users. Earlier people gets into panic when there is some negative news around. This is a kind of manipulation. Now scenario has changed and people are aware supporting the market to grow independently.

I think that, the value of Bitcoin is not the same as the stock transaction outside, so the price of Bitcoin cannot be predicted or guessed for sure. Sometimes up or down in seconds or hours.
However, this has happened (manipulation) to bitcoin a few years ago, against the value of bitcoin.
Example:
Link: https://www.google.co.id/amp/s/www.researchgate.net/publication/322205094_Price_Manipulation_in_the_Bitcoin_Ecosystem/amp

Do you mean that if they can push the price down below $1,000? I think it's impossible to happen right now because there are many investors and users entering the crypto world. If the price goes down I am sure there are many investors will buy at the lower price that is why the price of bitcoin stay long at the current price not just drop sharply as what happens to shitcoins.

No, they won't maybe they can manipulate the price a bit but not much as you can see there are many exchanges and trading sites and the price of bitcoin is not relying only on a single site. They can only manipulate the shitcoins or any altcoin at the lower market cap but in bitcoin it's impossible.

Well, well... so far on OP question no one knows the right answer. Probably not and probably yes.
For me, it is just because of being "hype", those articles/news are really creating a huge hype and have an effect on the market price or reversible situation. Price movement of cryptocurrency will go up higher if the demand increases the price was running high. There are different circumstances that we can say there's manipulating the market but the fact is the movement itself. Indeed, no one knows.

If push comes to shove whales with their big financial resources at hand can sure make a big impact with the price of bitcoin, But I really think they can not fulfill any desired price that they want to target because the price had a safe zone no matter how much money they burn or how much bitcoin they sold it will still have a bottom to not get the price fall in their target price that they want, you can say that they may cause a little stir and they will surely need help to multiple individual and cause fear, uncertainty, and doubt to cause the public to panic sell their held bitcoin.

I would say the whole crypto market,not just Bitcoin is easy to manipulate.There is just too many ways and methods that doesn't exist or illegal in the traditional market like wash trading (buy and selling at the same time to flood books),pump and dump, whales dumping massively to buy back at a lower price, fake news etc...These are too easy to perform on crypto market compared to traditional...

This problem is fixing itself. Bitcoin isn't that well distributed, but it's becoming more and more distributed over time. As the price rises, whales distribute to much smaller holders.

When I first started trading this market, it was normal to see whales buy/sell thousands of coins multiple times a day, pushing the market around. Today, we see this activity much less. Why? Because it may be easy for whales to dump thousands of coins, but it's often very difficult for whales to re-accumulate those coins. The fact that we're still trading at $4,000 10 years later and after a brutal bear market shows that demand for BTC is quite robust.

So while whales might be able to marginally push price around near the spread, their actions are always eventually absorbed by the market. And over time, there are less and less whales who can affect price like this.

Everything is possible in the crypto-world. But I don't think that bitcoin will drop to $ 1000. If this were a reality, it would be just another way to manipulate the price and buy at a low price.
Anyway, if someone has a lot of bitcoins, they can manipulate the price. Whales do it.

If bitcoin whales came together and decide to shake weak hands then it is possible to manipulate but it is not easy to make manipulation like in old years. 1000$ is still possible and manipulating the market for buying more bitcoin is commonly known method for multiplying the holdings.


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Do not forget that there are some bitcoins can be mined and thus increase the amount and reduce the impact of manipulation.
Decentralization makes anyone who has ready-made mining devices able to reduce the amount of manipulation if they buy/sell them coins.
Also, do not forget that there are a lot of coins outside central platforms meaning that some greedy HODLing people will not sell even if the price rise up to 100,000, these people will reduce the impact of manipulators.

Everything is possible if you have a lot of money.

Manipulation do already exist even on traditional markets like Forex and stocks which is more rampant or plausible due to Fiat money system is being used
where we know that big institutions do really have that power or capability when it comes to funding or supply holding but in Bitcoin, due to its properties plus
the numbers is already diversified, manipulation would really be less nor not possible.The only thing about manipulation is on the events that drives out the market
on planned ranges.

Well, the manipulation is carried out by the Strong Hands or the whales, I think it has always existed, what happens is that to some extent bitcoin is worth $ 4k today, but if there is demand, it will be absorbed by the growing supply that It exists in orders at higher levels, just as it happens in the stock market.

And the only one of being able to manipulate or move the market is with the introduction of institutional money or at the level of strong hands, this is how the market moves.

If you compare it with gold, it turns out that gold has much more history than Bitcoin, Bitcoin was born in 2009, instead, gold has passed several times through the basic stages of the market and, of course, has much more capitalization, gold it is considered as a truly stable and liquid action, while Bitcoin is not, it is decentralized and very volatile.

Maybe over the years, Bitcoin will capture much more demand. However the structure of bitcoin can be easily studied by methods of speculators and investors of the Stock Market, since its market has everything necessary for it, because it has the structure and technology behind bitcoin, it is very large and of great progress .

easy compared to what?
compared to altcoins, absolutely not. it is extremely harder to manipulate bitcoin than it is to manipulate altcoins.
compare to gigantic markets like gold, it is very easy to manipulate bitcoin price in comparison.

also it has nothing to do with market capitalization! that's just an arbitrary number when it comes to cryptocurrencies. what makes manipulation possible is the size of the market, more specifically the order books on exchanges and whether they are packed with large number of orders or small number of them.

I think right now it seems that alot of bitcoin price manipulation happens due to the leverage futures exchanges like Bitmex.

They offer 100x contracts and since they have the most volume, many algo bots follow those markets and arbitrage on real cash exchanges. So its not hard for someone with 200-300 BTC to open multiple accounts on Bitmex and starts multiple $10,000,000 market sell/buy orders and create a domino effect of liquidations.

Its very odd why for the last few months we have been having business days of little volume but on the weekend having huge moves... usually weekdays are suppose to be the most volatile and not vice versa. But it seems like the whales are taking advantage and assume that less people trade on weekends and they try their manipulation then.

Nowadays yes bitcoin so easy to manipulate which is because of some ppl that always panicking when there's a correction on the price or small fluctuation. especially when there's only a Fud's that  spreading false alarm just to intimidate holders ,because ppl always jumping nowadays and keep selling to prevent losses even though have no idea if it's true or not.  .

I don't think its "too easy", I mean if it was that easy than any one of us could do it.

I have actually tried to do it myself with a smaller coin, I had couple bitcoins to test and the volume for the coin was like 40-50 bitcoins a day so it was easy to manipulate the price with 1-2 bitcoins and I did it and the price went up insanely for a day and went down insanely as well while nobody really understood why.

Now, I was powerful enough to move that coin, is there people who are powerful enough to move bitcoin? Yeah but, they need a lot of money to do that and there are not that many people with that much money and interested in bitcoin so all in all its a small number of people who are constantly manipulating the price, its not easy but its definitely doable.

Panicking is a reaction dude. It's not a form of manipulation. The ones initiating panic are the ones doing the manipulation. And it's not surprising. Anyone who has enough funds can start a pump and dump action that can snowball wildly due to fomo and panic.

No, I don't think that is possible nobody can manipulate Bitcoin when it comes to its price in the market. Even whales can't do such a thing. Traders are smart enough to see if there is a manipulation going on in their exchange.

On one side everything is saying they choose Bitcoin because it's independent and decentralized and on the other hand they are saying Bitcoin is manipulated. These things can't go together, it's the one or the other.
I don't think that Bitcoin price could be manipulated in direction that one or the other interest group or individuals want. Some influence on price is made by whales but that is not so large extent.

Market manipulation is always depends on whales buying and selling because huge margin Bitcoin sold in quickly, market will going to moon. But Bitcoin was unsold two or more days market will die anytime so whales are controlled the crypto market and stock market.

Manipulations exist in almost all the trading and financial assets and I think people and institutions can still manipulate bitcoin and cryptocurrencies market and that do not mean it is not secure or safe.  I believe that we are going to have more transparent in future that will make it very difficult for whales to manipulate the market.

some people have done it, and I don't know whether it works or not. however, I think manipulating bitcoin is very difficult. well, but anyway, there must be a way to do that even though it's very risky.

It will be quite difficult for them to do so because if they do buy the whole coin in the market, fine, the market price will pump high but who will they sell the coin to at that high price, because it must have cost them fortune too to do so, it will end up becoming useless to them considering the fact that it is a system that is still struggling to gain relevance, so this will also make it impossible for them to manipulate.

Moreover, talking of buying the whole BTC in circulation is very impossible because not everyone bought BTC at bear market, most people bought BTC when it was even $10,000 and majority of them will be unwilling to sell till bitcoin increases above that, so they can only buy the remaining supply which will push up the price up a bit and many believer will keep holding till it reaches $20,000 predicted for next year.

manipulation is a matter of degrees. it can go from full control of the market and the price down to only having slight influence over a short period of time. with that said manipulation exists in every market in the whole world without an exception. so saying it doesn't exist in bitcoin is a naive statement.

Manipulation actually do happen in Bitcoin too and that is the effect of it when we saw the last BULL rise to $20,000 and was dumped suddenly too, the only thing I disagree on is him comparing the system to gold and also thinking that any form of manipulation could force BTC to 1000 dollars which I really doubt.

Gold market has been in existence for a very long time and if we look at the history, it must have experienced one or two of such issues before getting stabilized, BTC is a very new system that is barely 10 years old and a time will come in years to come when all these manipulation will stop and it will be stable like gold too.

I don't think the bitcoin can Easily to manipulate because if people have different thinking because otjer selling and buying their coins.
The price of the bitcoin will not become $1000 for sure this year will become more than 10,000 dollars.  We know that because investors panic selling they manipulate the market last year 2018 because millions investor are panic selling .

Bitcoin can easily be manipulated but can't say that persons can easily change it's price by buying a lot of bitcoins in low or high prices (I mean group buy).
As I see bitcoin's price is easily manipulated when someone says something on it, for example when there was rumor that china was going to ban bitcoin mining and etc something similar.
Btw if bitcoin go under 1000$, then I highly believe it will damage bitcoin's reputation and kill all hope of further rise in everyone.

You can't say that unless you know how much the whales are hodling on their wallet right now. Sometimes it takes a group of people to bring the market down and I guess they were doing it in order for the market to drop and they can easily gain profit from the weak-handed people. I'm sure they were waiting for the right time to drop it all and start to release the bull to run.

Manipulation works only if the manipulators have a big capital in which they can easily move the price to go up or down depending on their preference . whales are commonly known as real manipulators because they are the ones that has a big budget . you cant call yourself a manipulator if you cant succesfully move the price of bitcoin  .  

also , manipulating bitcoin is not easy  like you said because bitcoin is expensive while other coins alts and tokens can be easily manipulated because they are more cheaper  .

Since its more focused on technological rather than economical for me, i will say that it is easier to manipulate rather than stock markets and any other markets who focused on economy, exchange rates, oil and so on. The reason why bulls, bears and whales are just there waiting for the right time that they can profit with the panic sellers.

you're right, even more so now there are so many bitcoin exchangers. besides, it requires a lot of money to manipulate the current bitcoin prices. well, we know it won't be easy even though it can. of course it is also a very big risk for people who try it.

Of course it does exist, last market Pump and Dump really proved its existence but still with that, the price never crashed that low, I mean 1k that OP said is possible. This is why the mate said it is impossible to crash the price completely.

Because, the system also has check and balance in position which in this case are the traders and the trader are so wise now that they have learnt to monitor the activities of the whales when is about happening and I think this is exactly what is still putting a lot of them in control now and why we have not even seen sudden increase in price.

We also need to join hands not to allow them manipulate the system anymore.

Of course it's possible, but we'll never know if it's happening. In my opinion, the real whales are still not seriously interested in the cryptocurrency market, because it is too small for them and too unstable. Bitcoin needs to collect the market cap for a few more years to attract the eyes of these major players from the financial market. So in theory, yes, but in practice not.

Reading your reply made me think I'm very poor. Imagine the entire cryptocurrency market is nothing compared to the whales? Now I wonder what would these whales do with all the money they can buy a planet, perhaps. While I hardly buy a motorcycle for myself.

Your title is misleading. Bitcoin is not easy to be manipulate, since if it would be then that would be really bad money. But as you are explaining you dont really talk of Bitcoin but Bitcoin price.

If anyone would want to buy all Bitcoins that have owners. that should be around 9 millions then price would increase so much that there is no such wealth on earth. 

Everything can happen especially in the cryptocurrency market. But Bitcoin at a quite high price has a slim chance to be manipulated unless there is indeed an elite or special community that has a lot of Bitcoin. Considering, the chart or the expert of analysis many are fooled by the bitcoin market in particular.

I think it could happen at the market since we don't know how much one traders have a balance in one market. Who knows one trader have a big balance in bitcoin and altcoin so they can easily move the price at some range they want. But still, to manipulate the price on all exchanges is not easy even if a huge amount of bitcoin is used. But if it's only on one market, I think it could be possible since, in the one market, the amount of bitcoin is not too big depends on the whales have in their wallet.

That is why I can’t really wait for the time bitcoin price will become very stable at a very high price, let’s say like $100,000 per coin because then, it will really be too expensive for them to buy large and  manipulate the market, though at this price it is now, we still have some people that are extremely rich and can afford to pump so much money into the market to manipulate it using just 1 exchange, though it is quite risky like you said,  because if someone decide to buy 500,000 btc, selling it off  completely might be quite difficult.

Sometimes, I feel some of these exchanges should even regulate the amount of bitcoins that can be bought at once to control some actions of these whales. But, there are having limitations only for withdrawal amounts (for their security and for other compliance reason) and bothering about those manipulations.

When bitcoin market grows and when more people are participating in "real bitcoin supply-demand" mechanism, I guess whales will lose their power to control bitcoin prices. Moreover, when bitcoin ecosystem grows in more number of adopters, there will be no more whales and even some people will be holding more number of bitcoins, they cannot manipulate against massive number of small holders.  

70 Billion dollars still not small amount to manipulate and it was more than 10 times when we are at the end of last bull run so describing based on the current market prices is not  good.The number of people involved on the crypto investments is very less when compared to traditional stock investments were most of the big company have their investments.

Bitcoin can be manipulated by the emotions of traders which can be done by lot of other external sources like news than investing and risking huge money.

Compared to regular fiat bitcoin is even hard to manipulate. Look at regular fiat currencies in third world countries, last summer Trump said something bad about Turkey and Turkish lira plummeted to death, how can you explain that if you think bitcoin is easy to manipulate.

Just one person going on twitter writing bad stuff about a country could destroy a whole nations economy with one finger, they are still not out of the gate and still having economical problems even though Trump basically forgave them.If you keep doing stuff like that then how could you even imagine bitcoin is any different. Yeah, it is easy to manipulate for big enough people but if you are big enough any currency is easy to manipulate for you, not just bitcoin. That is why I would always prefer bitcoin, it might be easy to manipulate but at least its impossible to control and change stuff in it.

There are so many reasons why the price of bitcoin is very easy to manipulate and even all digital currencies are very easy to manipulate. when there is someone who has great financial strength, that person can do anything, usually a manipulator will take advantage of the panic situation experienced by the owner of a digital currency and then the manipulator makes a decision that benefits himself. such a thing is certainly very detrimental to many people and that is one reason why the use of digital currency is still seriously studied by the government.

First of all, I don't see the correlation between bitcoin being manipulated and prices having to go below $1k.

In every market, there is a certain degree of centralisation, and manipulation. It's a matter of what that degree is exactly.

I personally think that the significance of "whales" that somehow manipulate the entire market due to their large holdings is really largely a myth, and narratives of bitcoin's volatility being caused by manipulation per se is most likely unbacked as well.

That said, though, the small market cap in relation to other asset classes does mean that smaller orders will be able to move the market more. Though, when you look at the potential manipulation through derivatives in other markets like precious metals, I don't think bitcoin is easy to manipulate, though it might be easy for a large investor to move the market.

I don't think it's very easy to manipulate bitcoin price like others altcoin. Although sometimes bitcoin manipulated by big whales and exchangers but it wouldn't be stay longers. You can just say its pump dump play. Bitcoin will raise automatically once investors will increase. So my opinions is, it's possible manipulate bitcoin but really this isn't very easy task.

Agree on this-- Perhaps we need a huge amount of dollars to manipulate the market, even big whales they can't hold too long in the market situation. It is not just easy to manipulate the market so I guess Bitcoin will grow itself without having the wall of whales. Because I believed that when the demand will increase and the supply is the decrease that makes bitcoin expensive and not playing by whales.

and I think, when there is price manipulation, I think losses will come to people who manipulate. we know that many people are waiting for a certain price point, when they sell it, people who manipulate it will certainly be a loss. well, however, I think manipulation requires a lot of money.

For me yes it's so easy to manipulate because of big players on it that sometimes gaining quick profits and also holders that always dumping and panicking especially when there's a fake news around the internet .that's the reason only i know base on what i've observed not just on some news,  its because also of the performance of market that suddenly collapse without any reason.

Maybe that will contribute to being a dump and pump in the entire market price but I think it can't manipulate by big whales because when it comes manipulating it require a big amount of money which is can't do only a big whale. Unless, if that whale is a big group of big-time people who have a much of money.

I don't think it's easy if you want to manipulate cryptocurrency price movements on your exchange requires very high trading capital and of course you have to be able to influence other traders in order to make prices at the exchange place start to rise and begin to be affected.

For us it is a difficulty, but for those who have large capital, they can certainly manipulate the price of bitcoin.

I agree to some extent, but it's somehow contradicts your statement. By saying "It's easy to manipulate .." then "sometimes.. Big whales" *enters*. Given the scenario, and based from those above, These Big whales can easily manipulate the market itself.

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In my opinion, I think the Bitcoin can easily be manipulated. In i.e. remember when GM of JP morgan release a statement that Bitcoin is a scam or fraud. Bitcoin's rate suddenly fell (minimal but crucial) JP morgan did bought Bitcoin, then reclame the first statement.

Any price is possible because its decentralised, so the price depend on the supply and demand, and I think it's not that easy to manipulate the price, I know that some whales were try to manipulate the price previously, and they succeed, but in the future when more people are using bitcoin and mass adoption is happening then it wont be that easy to manipulate anymore

Not easy if we're thinking as an average trader or investor. On the other hand, we can't definitely say that it's not easy for whales to do it as there is no impossible for them in terms of manipulating. With the current marketcap of Bitcoin, it's quite easy for them.

It definitely not hard for the whales to manipulate the price of bitcoin market but it all depend on the status of the market and an example is this current market it will be hard for whales to manipulate the price cause the market will easily get back up. However, I still believe bitcoin is not too easy to manipulate like altcoin.

Bitcoin price can be manipulated but that is not easy to do, because it needs a huge amount before it has been an effect in the market.
Big whales can manipulate but they will not long last on this strategy because of the price that makes expensive and perhaps time to time it will bring of mass adoption and they cant able to manipulate it. However, we don't have to worry about this, time come they were tired of doing that.

When Bitcoin still doesn't have clear regulations, Bitcoin will be very easy to manipulate. Usually large collectors will make a breakthrough aimed at gaining profit, these collectors take advantage of the panic experienced by most Bitcoin users. So with that panic is the beginning of why the price of Bitcoin is very easily manipulated. Unlike when there is a clear rule, the price of Bitcoin will be more stable.

Good for the whales to do that, but for small traders like us who always depends on the actual market I think that's too hard to do. We need enough funds to do the trading, and as we buy bitcoin as our additional holdings it will take longer terms to wait until it increase at profitable value. The whales cannot move their plans just as what happened from the past bull run. People started to learn from their mistakes, and won't fall on some tricky traps.

In addition to the volume and marketcap. don't forget the size of the users, many people say that bitcoin users currently cover many countries and tens of millions of users. manipulation will not be that easy, not all user can be affected by certain ways to sell their coins so that manipulation occurs. manipulation is getting harder when the user gets bigger

Add in the the price of bitcoin  .  btc price is now expensive and the time will come that the price can grow more evenly due to the growing adoption  .  now if the price is already expensive i dont think that someone can easily bought it . thats only a reason that bitcoin is really hard to manipulate .  speaking of manipulation , manipulation isnt a bad thing because it also helps investors to purchase more coins if ever manipulators dump the price of a certain coin .

But that's also the reason why investors are still striving to this investment currency, taking chances with each movements, from both bull and bear wise investors can possibly take profits, it so happen that those big fat whales is much wiser than newbies who just wanted to take a try without knowing the grounds inside this industry, so it's very in need to be more precise with each position to take it's not manipulations but another good strategy to work on with your money.

It needs conspiracy to manipulate Bitcoin, whales, news, government, known figures in finance world, social media.  They need to sync these in order to manipulate Bitcoin.  And with the money of these whales I guess it would be easy for them to manipulate Bitcoin.  They have the resources, the contacts and the backing.

Once bitcoin was easy manipulative, this happens when whales contributing to the market tend to move a big volume of funds. Along with the same negative news, ban of bitcoin by governments, each and everything will be circulated among the common users. This initiates a panic among the common people fearing about crash of the market. Now people were much aware and intend to stay active avoiding price collapse.

I don't think so but the so called whales can make an impact. If there's an easy to manipulate here, those are the people with weak hands. In that way, others or big players rather can easily make the situation in favor with them because of those weak hands doing what others wanted. If btc was easy to manipulate, then it should be anyone can, but it's not.

Bitcoin is the most capital-intensive currency among all existing cryptocurrencies, so I'm not sure that it is easy enough to manipulate its price, but for those who have great resources, this task may not be so difficult. People in whose hands huge funds are concentrated - they can do what we see as incredible.

I don't think bitcoin can be easily manipulated compared to other coins we have in the market because it has a good volume and it will take a lot of money to manipulate the bitcoin market, though I can't say it is impossible because we have whales in the space who have a lot of money and just investing huge amount of money in the bitcoin market can actually manipulate the price of bitcoin, this is very rare unlike other coins.

For the price we have bitcoin now, it will be hard for any of those institutions to manipulate the market again because I don’t see any form of dumping that will cause a price crash other than the one it is now and if they are coming in newly because I believe some of them are not in the system yet, their action will end up causing prices to go up because the only way they can really manipulate bitcoin is through fund, bad news cannot do any more damage to the system, government policy cannot in any way have effect our a system that is decentralized and have no control over. So, it will be quite impossible for any form of manipulation to really work on the coin now.

well, whether it's easy or not. too many conspiracies like that, sometimes it's supported by FUD. whether it's easy or not, I think it's not good to do. and of course it will harm the perpetrators, and also others.

You don`t get it, it`s not supported by FUD, this groups in BitcoinPanther coin the mment are creating FUD, they have soldiers who do that everyday. In theory you can manipulate with everything, in reality things are different. Like BitcoinPanther said for huge manipulation you need many people and groups involved. I don`t believe that someone, anyone can fully manipulate with bitcoin, actions from already mentioned groups affect price movement, but nobody can manipulate with bitcoin 24/7 on the global level.

Not only Bitcoins, but also all the cryptos can manipulate if we take and consider everything seriously.
First of all you need to make sure that Bitcoin is a stable coin,  that means it fluctuates in the price very less.
So there are less chances of going ups and downs.
Moreover it will be beneficial if we invest in bitcoin then it will be profitable.
Bitcoin is a stable coin and it is guaranteed to make profit with it.

The major thing that affects the price movement of Bitcoin is fund, it is either they move in fund or they move out fund, we have some super rich people who are playing smart and can move large amount of fund within bitcoin at once.

I mean one person and it will have serious effect over the global market, what do you think will happen if we have an investors called SHANTEL and MR shantel decides to move in 1 billion dollars into the cryptocurrency at once, do you think this act alone from 1 person is not enough to price increase on global level, and what if after a period of time, MR SHANTEL decides to MOVE out his fund after getting probably 30% increase on it overtime, we see big dump and panic sell going round.

But, reason why this can’t happen now is that major investors we have are matured investor that would hold their coin for a very long term and would not allow FUD control them.

As long whales want to manipulate a coin, they will. That is why crypto can be very fluctuate but my hope for now maybe bitcoin not get pump and dump scheme again like in past. Maybe stable movement but steady is good.

Manipulate bitcoin price, maybe yes or not depends on the situation. Because last year panic seller manipulate the value of the bitcoin to decreased the value of the bitcoin.  But in the year 2017 investors manipulate to rised the value and that's gonna happened. The only can manipulate the value is the investors what kinds of investors you are is either rich or not buy simple buying and selling bitcoin they have effect.

I don't think so because if Bitcoin is susceptible to manipulation, many organizations and many people will be able to proceed. Bitcoin has a very high market capitalization and value. I think Bitcoin in USDT can only happen when the crypto market When Bitcoin decreases people buy into aim and trade exchange rate differences so there is no reason to say Bitcoin is manipulated. When Bitcoin increases, the number of USDT users does not increase.

Total Market cap of bitcoin and crypto is very less and whales can easily buy a big amount of bitcoins with which they can manipulate the market. A pump / dump of 500 - 1000 Bitcoins is enough to  manipulate the market.
Once the marketcap of crypto is increased and crypto is widely spread, only then it will be difficult to manipulate the market.

It is very easy to manipulate Bitcoin because of the decentralized nature of the entire blockchain portfolio but certain conditions need to be met in order for someone or a group to manipulate it.  The first condition is that, the person who wants to manipulate Bitcoin needs to own not less than 40% of the amount of Bitcoins in circulation in the crypto ecosystem and the crypto market. With that, you can control the market value of Bitcoin at any moment in time. The second condition is that, you need to be very active on every active and big exchange platforms to monitor every activity going on with regards to Bitcoin trading. But the key factor needed to manipulate Bitcoin trading is you owning huge amount of Bitcoins.

With huge funds its possible? the total market capitalization is only 70 million dollars. and you know there are a lot of people in this world who have more money than that. but we know that bitcoin with a limited supply has spread to many users, so the answer will be two, it can be easy and difficult

the answer is too easy. if bitcoin was really "too easy" to manipulate then the price should have never moved the way it has been moving 80% of the history of bitcoin. instead it should have been constant pumps and dumps because that is the real way you manipulate a market and make money. what we have is some manipulation while the market moves logically for the rest of the times and the bigger the market gets the harder it is getting for whales to manipulate it but it has not yet gotten big enough to have no manipulation.

That’s right and if the market continue to improve this way without the input of the whales will really be a good thing for the cryptocurrency.

It might take a little time for us to reach the higher price we want to see but the waiting will be worth it and also benefit all bitcoin holders than whales pump that are very fast and gets dumped quickly which will only make those who were lucky to catch such pump them winners while the ones that were slow to act losers but this normal way of it growing will give chance to both losers, and winners. By this time next year, the market should have fully be green for the next halving too.

Bitcoin market could definitely be manipulated by anyone but in order to do that you require a great amount of money and a good reason to do that. You can't just play with the price because you are bored and don't have anything else to do, you do it with a certain reason and purpose.

To manipulate bitcoin price will be need that a lot of millionare, people to make a team and put most of their money on bitcoin market and start buy and sell or only buy, but they will kot risk their money to manipulate bitcoin price, because is too risky for them.

From my many experiences in trading, there was no exception in manipulating the market including bitcoin. The big investors can easily dump and pump the market whenever they want it. And unluckily, we can not stop them. They control the market ways and that's the truth.

you're right, it doesn't look that easy. I think the risk is greater, and the loss that can be obtained when doing this. I think that is quite a difficult thing, moreover there are hundreds of markets that sell bitcoin.

Whales could actually cause this to happen but they might no longer succeed because we have lots of investors who are actually quite very rich and genuine to counter the actions of the whales with their simple act, some of the actions of these genuine investors are what we saw yesterday which got the price stabilized above $4500, so right now, with the way bitcoin is being accepted and used, it will surely be quite difficult for them to really move that market again as they like, and even if they will do, their effect on the market will really be less significant and will seems just like that of traders activities.

In a way you are right the market cap of bitcoin is very low and there are many institutions and individuals that could try to manipulate its price, but if they tried to buy as many coins as you state that will make the price of bitcoin to skyrocket because many of the coins are not up for sale and are being held by long term investors so as they keep buying coins the price goes up and it becomes more difficult for them to keep buying coins, and even if they could get control of enough coins to manipulate the market will they be interested in crashing the price when they paid so much more for each one of their coins?

Not just Bitcoin but I think in general everything can be manipulated by Whales. I read somewhere that someone purchased 100M worth of BTC which might have caused the pump the last few days. Let's see if this rise is organic or quite manipulated.

Cryptocurrency cannot be separated from manipulation, with a high increase and then falling low, I think there is manipulation in it, and for that we must be more careful.

These billionaires can easily make the price jump 10-20 % with relatively small purchases.  Imagine the movement Jeff Bezos could make happen on the crypto markets if he threw a few billion in bitcoin.  Throw a few billion into USD and nothing even happens.

Only them has the power to move the price, they say whales can move the price so they are called whales.
Actually that is not new, this market has been manipulated and they are still here doing that from time to time but it
would be nice if their manipulation will result to a bullish market, lots of investors will be happy.

actually, manipulation can indeed be done. but, of course it is very risky. we know that only people who have very large money can manipulate the price of bitcoin to be bigger. however, we know there are so many holders out there, who will certainly sell the assets they have at a certain price. so, it's very difficult to do that.

I'm really not that worried about whales that are holding fiat because the market of cryptocurrencies given enough time will grow more powerful and more people will begin to use them which means that the amount of fiat that you will need to buy a bitcoin will go up and the power of those whales will go down, the whales that worry me are the ones that are holding huge amounts of bitcoin because regardless of its price in fiat they will still have the power to manipulate the market as they want.

I don't think it is risky, because one with the large fund manipulates. If the market reacts to the move made by him, he'll get the profit through the same in a short time period. If not he isn't gonna get any big loss. From my understanding earlier it was highly manipulative, now things have changed as people don't panic sell or take some immediate action on price manipulation. Upon this the market won't be that volatile for the whales to profit big.