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This user wants to sell a way to beat casinos but we know if he can beat the house why he want to sell it and don't use it to be a bilionare?

Profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2567991

Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5124619.0

Archive: http://archive.fo/3dVEC

Also quoting this fun post from him:



Archive: http://archive.fo/ikCId

Highlighting this part:


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Basically, he admitted he can't beat the house, but he sells how to beat it and we know you can't beat the house edge without cheating or hacks, he wants money to let players lose slowly.

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In the meantime let me answer some question you have bias in this post.


Basically, he admitted he can't beat the house,?

Of course, if we did it we would be lying... we can’t change the math but we can predict the results to win more than what you loss in the big picture of the strategy.


but he sells how to beat it and we know you can't beat the house edge without cheating or hacks, he wants money to let players lose slowly.?

Gambling Games are designed to make you lose  in long term by default, this is why probability are against you, this is a fact.

We countermeasure those fact and make you win in short and long term,

In short term winning mini session 0-1% of your capital and in long cashing out your capital each time you double it.

The real fact here is we  are not lying, it's what it is... everyone that gamble lost more than what he win in long term and what we are offering if a method that change the results not the facts..

Please understand we are not the enemy here... i hope you give us a try and start making real money...

Waiting for your real review when you test our platform.

Thanks

So you are selling a lie.


You can't beat the house but you are selling "Artificial Intelligence Algorithm to make you always win".  ::)

It will always make you win because if your had double 4x and cash out 4 time and then loss your capital ( which could happend) you will still be up 3x and so on.. this is how this work.. you wil always win even when you lose..

Please let me show you on your free membership.

This un-trusted reputation is unfair because you have no base to review what you have not test..

If you are not willing to even try it please be honest and delete it dont hurt our bussiness with the only statement of prejudgment


Thanks

Yes of course if you cash out when you win, you win, it is how it works.

Yes, and you can lose again 10 more times after and lose again, you can't beat the house's edge.

I do not test it, is math you can't beat the math.

Your example with the double is wrong.

First of all, if you double 4 times you will have (assuming 1% edge) and 100$ bet

Game 1 capital 100
100*(2-1%(100))=199

Game 2 capital 199
100*(2-1%(100))=199

Game 3 capital 199+99=298
100*(2-1%(100))=199

Game 4 capital 298+99=397
100*(2-1%(100))=199

Final capital 496

Now if you lose 4 times in a row you will get 496-400= 96$. You seem to forget always the house's edge (and the cashout fee since you says to cash out every single winning)
And you are not breakeven.

If you talk about the double bet on loss to get a bigger win after you lose(bet 1 100 lose, bet 2 200 lose, bet 3 400 lose, bet 4 800 win, final win +100) is an old and known method and it will not work since casinos are not stupid and use a cap on the bet to avoid this.


What others people think about it?

It is obviously a scam.


You admit that it is possible to lose. Therefore, it is entirely possible to lose on your very first run and go bankrupt. Therefore, you are advertising a scam.

Furthermore, if you could double your money every 5 hours guaranteed as you claim, you could simply run your system for a week and turn $10 in to $86 billion. Don't know why you would be wasting time trying to sell membership for $100 when you are sitting on more wealth than some countries.


I didn't need to spend money on BitConnect to know that it was a Ponzi, and I don't need to spend money on your nonsense to know that it is mathematically impossible.

From what I can tell, it is probably both a bankroll management and Martingale progression scheme. Also, it is geared toward dice and roulette games which are total luck. If you play long enough, you will eventually hit the maximum bet limit and lose that bet as well. Also, with the edge in the house favor, the amount you lose in your bad sessions will likely exceed the amount you win in your good sessions. Even if there was no house edge, this strategy won't work either. The reason is because the casino likely has a bigger bankroll than you do. For example, let us say you have one dollar and are playing a penny ante game with the a casino who has one thousand dollars. It is likely that you will go bust first.

We've seen it all many times already. If you think a quick win makes it a quaranteed win, you're either a scammer or dumb. Whatever you do, the expected value is negative. It doesn't matter whether you win or lose.

I'll let you in on a little secret: fighting legit red trust usually leads to more red trust.

YYou totally don’t understand how our strategy works, our platform give you the bets to be executed in the casino and when this session end our platform will notify the client as session end and the client will had break even or make 0-1% of the capital the same process will repeat until the user had double the capital to cash out the winning and repeat..

I understand you are doing your work but its not good to hurt a business reputation without any proof..

IF you want use to fail good for you, but until you show a proof of evidence that our platform doesn’t  work it will only be your prejudgment and nothing more.

i will repeat a prejudgment is not an ethical and fair way to review a business, please test our service or delete your review.

I’m giving you a free 1 week membership isn't it enough?

ok guys i understand all your inquiry and i will answer al them one by one, you will thanks me later.

The platform is not a bot, the bet are done manually by the clients in the casino, yes you can double your money in 5h, which is the time a normal person can dedicate playing. this is why in our plans we say 50-100% profit / daily.

Yes you can lose your capital but it will not happens without you had cash out many time before or your money back.

If you think it’s a scam why don’t you try it so you can say it very louder and with proof?

We are giving free away membership; take this opportunity that we change your life :)
Just register with us and post your username here

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mathematically impossible.

Our AI algorithm prediction is enough to make the difference.

Sell everything you have and become a billionaire then, you certainly don't need 30 - 300 dollars from unknown people if you can beat the system.

No, I do not want your free trial, I do not want to install any client from you on my pc. (you talk about clients)

@BTCGamblePro as a former gambler and someone who has a Math BA, I'm not swayed by what seems to amount to extreme puffing on your part. I left you a neutral rating. However, I am watching your announcement thread. If I catch wind that people are starting to experience glitches in the free 1 day trial of getting their money back if you are not honoring your 100% money back guarantee, it will change to negative in a heartbeat.

You know you can double your money in just 1 bet, right? It takes about a second on any online casino.
The catch is: no matter what you do, the chance of losing everything is larger than the chance of doubling your money.

There's nothing to prove here.

You're not giving away anything with any value.

Do you really think advertising your scam in a reputation thread is going to work?

AI here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4826180.msg48268705#msg48268705). I don't believe you.

Hello thanks for your interest in our product,

First at all we dont use martingale, have you check out our site ? www.btcgamblepro.com

we clearly state that:

 What is not included?

No Martingale, Fibonacci, Labouchere or any other failed strategy in the market.

Its insane how much talk people post assuming with out reading.

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No. AI can't beat math. Casino always wins otherwise it would be bankrupt in a jiffy.

Ok good that now you could trust it could work and what should I do :)

I'm the developer of the algorithm and a few years ago i got kick out of a casino, after that i understand that the way to go was to create a team we could all win.

We are looking to recruit 10,000k members worldwide  in long term, do the math :)

BTW you don’t need to install anything in your pc, this is how it works:
Our platform will tell you how much to bet and which direction, high or low, execute the bet on the casino. Then you should feedback the platform with the results of the outcome pressing Win or Loss. Continue the process, and repeat.

Just for fun, you should be rich to do this, can you sign a message from an address with over 100k $ in bitcoins?

Let's put it to the test :D

1foreverDArUNEX2gVD26vautcx3b8zTZ
G+c5EF9KpFoPbuyUUpA7jXzUmf0PKpYLMwsy466t/yZwYlp1tdblD1RGwYEqTNdVT+hGiApdoMrA5XY+VZwCekM=

I got 100 random numbers from random.org. I've posted 50 of them here. Please prove that your AI can predict the other 50 numbers.
Once you're done, you can use the signature to verify the data. If you can pull this off, I'll totally vouch for your system and leave you green trust.
If you can't, well, please stop making things up.

Thanks so much Bones, this sound very fair to me,

i want to award you with 1 week free membership, please post or pm me your username in our platform

Thanks :)

I try not to make gambling a habit anymore. I will need to decline your offer.


Exactly what kind of algorithm is this? The only one that would make a little bit of a difference is one that can somehow detect bias. However, that would probably require a huge sample in order to detect any possible bias, and the bias would probably still not be enough to overcome the 5.26 % house edge in American Roulette, the 2.7% edge in European Roulette or even a 1% house edge in "dice" games.

Our platform consist on Bet selection, progression and money management, mixing all together and increase the accuracy of predictions is the only way to beat the house edge :)

 
We have a Great and unique technology but look like people are more willing to critics rather than even try it out for free

It does not work like that, no one can predict the future, we have winning betting strategy, that make you play short term session where you will lose and win but at the end of the session you will break even or profit 0-1% of your capital.

This has nothing to do with what you are asking, if you really want to help me with a green review, get a free membership and post your results :)

Also, your program may be a free trial. But giving it a try requires putting my money at risk at the casino. Even if I am dissatisfied, and end up not getting charged by you, I am afraid the casino is not going give me my money back.  :D I'm not putting my money at risk to test your algorithm. Also, I don't have the time to test this out on the free games for you either. (And I'm not quite certain if these free games aren't biased to let you "win" anyway.)

Bones, most of the people here are only talking non-sense about why it could be scam without even try it once anyone of the people posting here.

Thanks to the lord some question directly to the point of the matters.. let me answer you:

As you know all casino game have probability against you and this can't be change, actually if there weren’t any probability randomness it sell will kill you long term for the bias of the results and the fail of the user strategy.

For example not everyone know that all results are independently, this mea if high hit 10 time, it could hit 10 time more without any glitch from casino site.. ETC...

Let me tell you how this bias work on bitcoin dices game, which is what kill the players and not the 1% house edge.

You have 2 options high and low let say you set payout 1.5, so you can get results under 66 and over 33. Equal to your odds right ?

NO when the game result get bias to results under 33 and over 66 you will have only 50% of change but lossing 2/1 and winning only 1 units.

The same will happens with all payout and this is what is killing the players in long term
Since more people here play Dice game, let me tell you why you all loss the game is not rigged but it’s totally bias and the bet selection don’t help you.

In roulette is difference since you can select a bigger betting range... the house edge is bigger and is what kills you eventually too..

ok no more talking about why you all lose, want to know how to really win ? just try our strategy it for God Sake <-- this go to everyone in the forum talking non-sense with empty words.

We’re a group of professional Gambling players that had create something beautiful to make all of you rich.

Understand, gambling is not for everyone, sometimes some balls are necessary hehe, he have a platform that provide all the winning bets to everyone and we are looking people to join us but what we had found is a group of people telling and marking us with bad reputation only with their prejudgment without even willing to try out service...

This trust reputation system in this forum is wrong, and this is why I’m investing my time posting here, hopefully over time some real customers will arrive and will share their results :)

Asked 3 times with this one:

If you can beat the system why don't you sell everything and become a billionaire, instead of asking 30$ to randoms?

Sorry to not reply you, i think i reply this question above,

We are not asking 30 random, we are looking for users to joins our money making team using our gambling strategy. you could win as much as you want and our cut is the membership.

Thinking as a business this make more sense since there is a limite between what i could win playing myself, and if you multiply the membership for 10k users we will all win more this way.

Remember i offer you a free membership, just let me know

I would suggest to lock this thread. It's quite clear at this point that the perp is just posting gibberish and using this thread to promote their product.

Yeah, I had the same impression, most of his posts are about to give away free trials of his product.

Locking the thread, many people are agreeing with my judgment on this case, nothing to add till new things will happen (if).