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Title: Need your help with something easy Post by: Get-Paid.com on April 02, 2019, 09:06:22 AM I tried to accelerate this transaction:
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/632e1733fb51412b7ddd3685f5e545fb9d58d25aae5fcd7d647ff6cd83f35b42 But ViaBTC says "Transaction input unconfirmed". Can you please help me understand which transaction is unconfirmed so perhaps I can pay for an accelerator for it? Thanks. PS It should be easy for you but difficult for me. Title: Re: Need your help with something easy Post by: LoyceV on April 02, 2019, 09:26:27 AM Click the addresses on the left, you'll get https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1Dyii5mcN84QytY6FtVeuguDHNZG5rm2mY and https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/14qb9XtSjDeBnfQJUhwxBooLQQjJNQVwKn.
The last one has an unconfirmed input, and if you click on them again, you'll find a long chain of unconfirmed inputs. It looks like you've been doing many small payments, like sending 721 Satoshi (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/3MmpZFpZxG19H36bV9hmFf8KLGW3E1JXgd), while fees are rising. Basically, you're creating Bitcoin dust. Not only do you pay more fee than the dust is worth, the dust can't be used because it would require a higher fee than it's worth at the moment. You may want to read Fees are low, use this opportunity to Consolidate your small inputs! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2848987.0) By clicking addresses on the right, you see the unconfirmed chain continues in that direction too. Can you explain how you make these transactions: is it a script or manual work? There are several things you can (and probably should) do: use Bech32 addresses, bundle transactions, and set a minimum payment amount to prevent creating worthless Bitcoin dust. If you really want to keep doing what you're doing, you can prevent a long chain of unconfirmed transactions by using different inputs. If you own more smaller inputs, you can spend coins from a new confirmed input instead of building a deeper chain of unconfirmed transactions. However, this is not the preferred solution. Title: Re: Need your help with something easy Post by: Get-Paid.com on April 02, 2019, 09:55:57 AM It looks like you've been doing many small payments, like sending 721 Satoshi (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/3MmpZFpZxG19H36bV9hmFf8KLGW3E1JXgd), while fees are rising. Basically, you're creating Bitcoin dust. Not only do you pay more fee than the dust is worth, the dust can't be used because it would require a higher fee than it's worth at the moment. It's payments to users, some asked for $0.50 so we didn't use high fee... Why SENT funds cause problem to use RECEIVED funds if all of our RECEIVED funds were fully confirmed? Title: Re: Need your help with something easy Post by: poordeveloper on April 02, 2019, 10:03:42 AM Actually not. The 2nd link LoyceV posted was, as he said, unconfirmed by the time you sent it.
https://i.imgur.com/trp6UhZ.png The fact that you could send it doesn't mean it was confirmed. Title: Re: Need your help with something easy Post by: john2231 on April 02, 2019, 10:32:15 AM It looks like you have a series of unconfirmed transaction look at this 14qb9XtSjDeBnfQJUhwxBooLQQjJNQVwKn and click the every output from the left side you can see all transaction is unconfirmed.
OMG I tried to click all outputs to find where the bitcoin comes from but almost the series of transaction are unconfirmed but some of the transaction put enough fee. Add this from LoyceV suggestion. Why not collect all unconfirmed transactions and follow my guide below. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5127118.msg50421878#msg50421878 Then rebroadcast them from this list https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_broadcasting So that you can notify miner's to don't forget about all of your transactions and let's hope that sooner it may includes all of unconfirmed transaction to next block. Title: Re: Need your help with something easy Post by: LoyceV on April 02, 2019, 10:48:13 AM It's payments to users, some asked for $0.50 so we didn't use high fee... Well, there's your problem :P You can't do that anymore with fees on the rise.Title: Re: Need your help with something easy Post by: HCP on April 02, 2019, 11:21:25 PM Why SENT funds cause problem to use RECEIVED funds if all of our RECEIVED funds were fully confirmed? It isn't a problem IF your funds are confirmed... but the problem is that your RECEIVED funds are NOT fully confirmed...One input from: 632e1733fb51412b7ddd3685f5e545fb9d58d25aae5fcd7d647ff6cd83f35b42 (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/632e1733fb51412b7ddd3685f5e545fb9d58d25aae5fcd7d647ff6cd83f35b42) comes from unconfirmed transaction: f7ef220c1b4eb23de43f514f433fc3b00fb0feda074bf6da29a9c502f75e8fc0 (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/f7ef220c1b4eb23de43f514f433fc3b00fb0feda074bf6da29a9c502f75e8fc0) which comes from unconfirmed transaction: ee234ddc9555bb252f30389f274d9072ff9d11ca6f0677b3b91bde6c4d66e199 (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/ee234ddc9555bb252f30389f274d9072ff9d11ca6f0677b3b91bde6c4d66e199) which comes from unconfirmed transaction: 04af53ab298a2d50edb33b2aa1bdad4c6f48d08e3942c7c4bb3ad80a9d1b070c (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/04af53ab298a2d50edb33b2aa1bdad4c6f48d08e3942c7c4bb3ad80a9d1b070c) which comes from unconfirmed transaction: e5fe84a0337d216d9cd114eb9c803dfb61fc74b2142e0b1d708ba78be58c3a64 (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/e5fe84a0337d216d9cd114eb9c803dfb61fc74b2142e0b1d708ba78be58c3a64) which comes from unconfirmed transaction: 4e4cf509a3cad247a3a623cd9d24f29baa84f6ffb99081ede9abc0112505a21e (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/4e4cf509a3cad247a3a623cd9d24f29baa84f6ffb99081ede9abc0112505a21e) which comes from unconfirmed transaction: 7c124f3b964bccde81760504700a089ef57caa6f528d303e30e008d260328e20 (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/7c124f3b964bccde81760504700a089ef57caa6f528d303e30e008d260328e20) which comes from unconfirmed transaction: 8c8ef940004d935227b894b1277730d1232a8740662f4db4b6badad502a7944f (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/8c8ef940004d935227b894b1277730d1232a8740662f4db4b6badad502a7944f) which comes from unconfirmed transaction: 8072d4034ebe2193407fdaf997ddcc3d2e2503317b8b888f10b13ddbf2d9d29f (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/8072d4034ebe2193407fdaf997ddcc3d2e2503317b8b888f10b13ddbf2d9d29f) which comes from unconfirmed transaction: bea4d21c603268d0a468a5fe542571d8f28f3d038fa49cac120fe506e7aba1fb (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/bea4d21c603268d0a468a5fe542571d8f28f3d038fa49cac120fe506e7aba1fb) which comes from unconfirmed transaction: d118302e0d6b133edd4c49af76b55acb724dcb582da6c61b6c0c54fc0d59864f (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/d118302e0d6b133edd4c49af76b55acb724dcb582da6c61b6c0c54fc0d59864f) It then branches at this point... as all 4 inputs there come from unconfirmed transactions... Branch 1: c42ec709069cf22dbd0ff22514194d2487c8aba47722b6e6ab0dca1d4ba37b1f (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/c42ec709069cf22dbd0ff22514194d2487c8aba47722b6e6ab0dca1d4ba37b1f) Branch 2: c336d40b375d64f262fd78377dbcdec5b57112934219951441018b7d7b1e33c8 (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/c336d40b375d64f262fd78377dbcdec5b57112934219951441018b7d7b1e33c8) 7548505d013fa630d38f887ae8b433731b48591812e7554abac65c2d9c1c2f4d (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/7548505d013fa630d38f887ae8b433731b48591812e7554abac65c2d9c1c2f4d) 131035a0be8415cbffc63289872cb62f11772a4703ab40d28fd08018df9a5fe9 (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/131035a0be8415cbffc63289872cb62f11772a4703ab40d28fd08018df9a5fe9) Branch 3: 7d510cd0d0dd58b1b6f58cef7f4612dbca084738418946b39ff4a97277659227 (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/7d510cd0d0dd58b1b6f58cef7f4612dbca084738418946b39ff4a97277659227) ea0671e7b05eabe9a727ae71ed6f75cc9c84cfdeb1451d65b991255f0ec21335 (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/ea0671e7b05eabe9a727ae71ed6f75cc9c84cfdeb1451d65b991255f0ec21335) Branch 3 also splits here: Branch 3a: cac7eb21c30f8ee8be79957809d0d257c59ef862166c45b725c0a7e6bb7d2456 (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/cac7eb21c30f8ee8be79957809d0d257c59ef862166c45b725c0a7e6bb7d2456) f3d739861ebec71c9cc35a63997e5a62992b663e6892dfc327ef3c484f9f7f45 (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/f3d739861ebec71c9cc35a63997e5a62992b663e6892dfc327ef3c484f9f7f45) Branch 3b: fb55444011306f8c3eadf2d9b765423c4cb7052c22b4a01ead8bc68643e63d76 (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/fb55444011306f8c3eadf2d9b765423c4cb7052c22b4a01ead8bc68643e63d76) Branch 4: 5886236164c7c9dba08ce890dae5a55a06ea3147ba1e606726d5ac9fc6c6bfe6 (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/5886236164c7c9dba08ce890dae5a55a06ea3147ba1e606726d5ac9fc6c6bfe6) 61c6924395091ccd968c3c6a43ee4cede5d3ea813cc4c56ee7f55d666db03adc (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/61c6924395091ccd968c3c6a43ee4cede5d3ea813cc4c56ee7f55d666db03adc) it is going to take a while for all of this to confirm... especially with the pump in BTC value, the network is going nuts, blocks are full and fees have shot up. (https://jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#0,24h) I suggest you either learn how to batch up transactions, so you can send multiple amounts in ONE single transaction... implement a "minimum payout"... (possibly even switch to a different coin like Bitcoin Cash where block space is plentiful and fees are practically zero :P) EDIT: and wouldn't you know it... just as I finish typing all this, the transactions confirm! ::) #youGotLucky :P Title: Re: Need your help with something easy Post by: Get-Paid.com on April 03, 2019, 03:48:03 AM EDIT: and wouldn't you know it... just as I finish typing all this, the transactions confirm! ::) #youGotLucky :P No, it's not about being lucky. The transaction was urgent for us, so we paid ViaBTC to accelerate many of the unconfirmed transactions until it hits this one. The costs? 0.3 BCH approx. (around $56) but we probably spent so much less than that, we bought BCH when it was $180, now it's $260, we have 1 BCH extra we saved aside, so we will just convert it to BTC and it would compensate for what we spent. Is it worth it? At these circumstances yes. ViaBTC is 100% genuine and it works. Title: Re: Need your help with something easy Post by: Get-Paid.com on April 03, 2019, 04:07:18 AM Well, there's your problem :P You can't do that anymore with fees on the rise. We sent a message to all users in our site we won't process any Bitcoin withdrawals until further notice, so they must choose an alternative or wait for the network to get stabilized. This was time consuming and we cannot allow ourselves to deal with similar incidents in the near future. Title: Re: Need your help with something easy Post by: HCP on April 03, 2019, 04:34:53 AM If you can't afford another similar incident... then I'd seriously reconsider your entire methodology regarding withdrawals for customers...
I realise you like the idea of offering "instant" withdrawals... but creating a long string of small fee transactions obviously comes with some downsides if the network conditions are not favourable. Given how many transactions your system created in such a short time (approx 10-15 in about a 5 minute window), you might be better off implementing a "batching" system to collate withdrawal requests in a given 5-15 minute window and creating one single transaction. Your overall fee costs will decrease and you're less likely to create such long unconfirmed transaction chains. There is a reason why most of the "big" sites do exactly this ;) Also, as the block time is typically averaged to 10 minutes, collating transactions means users are generally going to have to wait for that sort of timeframe to get a confirmation when the mempool is empty and fees are 1 sat/vbyte etc... so, they're not really likely to be disadvantaged too much by such a batching system. The really tricky part will be making sure you communicate any change with your user base so they understand why you're doing what you're doing... and the benefits for all involved. ;) Title: Re: Need your help with something easy Post by: Get-Paid.com on April 03, 2019, 05:54:12 AM I realise you like the idea of offering "instant" withdrawals... but creating a long string of small fee transactions obviously comes with some downsides if the network conditions are not favourable. Given how many transactions your system created in such a short time (approx 10-15 in about a 5 minute window), you might be better off implementing a "batching" system to collate withdrawal requests in a given 5-15 minute window and creating one single transaction. Thanks for the advice. How do you send 1 single transaction with multiple payments to users? Title: Re: Need your help with something easy Post by: Pmalek on April 03, 2019, 08:58:02 AM How do you send 1 single transaction with multiple payments to users? It depends on the wallet you use.If you use Electrum there is an option called Pay to many Click on Send > Pay to many. Title: Re: Need your help with something easy Post by: LoyceV on April 03, 2019, 09:04:47 AM How do you send 1 single transaction with multiple payments to users? See your own topic: Bitcoin Mass Payment (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5107473.0) :)Title: Re: Need your help with something easy Post by: Get-Paid.com on April 03, 2019, 03:48:33 PM How do you send 1 single transaction with multiple payments to users? It depends on the wallet you use.If you use Electrum there is an option called Pay to many Click on Send > Pay to many. How do you send 1 single transaction with multiple payments to users? See your own topic: Bitcoin Mass Payment (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5107473.0) :)I've used your advice and sent 9 small payments like this: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/1ab7e16441c6d7dc9e9cb3d0648c42ec2053dc2dd8fece8dfbfa2bacdf61b89b Is this better? Title: Re: Need your help with something easy Post by: LoyceV on April 03, 2019, 04:51:55 PM Is this better? Much better :) |
