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The good thing about the bearish market condition is that you can buy more bitcoins. Thus, some investors did it and even made some FUDS to fully let bitcoin go down for more before they invested. Clearly this is what they want to buy more bitcoins. Now, many are worried and uncertain that bitcoin could not recover. However seeing the current condition make one to get encourage to invest again while bitcoin is cheaper.

So my point is that having a bearish market condition is not really bad at all. It means that you can buy more bitcoin and earn in the next bull run.

Well that's one. But you know what I like about the bear market? Most bitcoin and cryptocurrency communities are more focused on development and adoption rather than posting a lot of those price prediction posts and useless and redundant topics like "wat hapen to ze market y beetcoin prize up?". Recently we've been going back to the latter type of posts again.

In bearish market , you have to wait for a bull run. You have no idea if market can further dwindle. The best thing of the bull market is even a noob can make profit without putting any brains.

It entirely depends on what side you are standing. If you have invested back in late 2017, current market fluctuation will not bother you! But if you are a regular investor who invests in bitcoin at regular intervals, then you will find it very enticing! So it is subjective when you say bearish market is Bad or Good! Doesn't really matter to anyone!

Usually the opposite direction from the herd is good, but, it seems to have remained at 5k. That doesn't sound bearish to me... Time will tell i guess.

Well when it was down and you started seeing it climb, you are a bit late. But if you do nothing, you lose your chance.

Yeah, You're right but average people in cryptocurrency does not think that way. You know of that and usually it is all about money.

I do like people thinking about the development of the project but we could not also blame that there are many ICO projects out there being dump so this is why cryprocurrency especially bitcoin became an investment. Some may think that is an asset or an electronic cash use as payments? Whatever really its purpose then it should prevail.

I just can't stop thinking like it for I am also an average or common people think that way of bitcoin as money tree!

Well, that's just common sense for an investor to do so. Buy low, sell high, that's just how all of the markets go. But it depends on when you invested.


I completely agree with the above post. With the bear market on, it will surely test certain projects resolve to deliver what they've promised. This is what I like about bear market before bull market, shit coins wouldn't be able to survive and those who are legit will give us the things we've been asking for.

A lot of cryptocommunities actually focus on the fundamentals and the ethos of their chosen coin when everything is going down, or a bear market is engulfing the whole trading scene. Also, more people are engaging in topics that are really needed for a community to move forward, instead of constantly discussing why prices are like this, what news would be needed for that.. you get the gist. Also, a bear market gives an equal opportunity for all the players in the field to make their moves, just like what you said. It's not all about the reds in a bear market but how would you take advantage of the failing price to make a profit in the future.

Just apply the rule of buy at low price, then sell at high price.
A common thing and a cheap thing to do by them. You can see that there would be people that are famous and known in the industry that will open a full disbelief in bitcoin and then within a few days when bitcoin will go down, they will have a bag of it and then they'll sell.

I think that they are just doing that because they know that bitcoin will recover. So, while bitcoin could go lower, they'll do what they can and do what they want for it to go down and buy bags of it.

I can't imagine how much money people lost following that logic when BTC price at first dropped from 20k to 15k, then to 10k and so on. I remember that after BTC lost 5k extremely fast many people decided that now there would be a pullback but no. The price stayed at the same point for a long and then dropped again.
No one can guarantee that the price would fall lower, especially if the price grew pretty much recently.

the bear market weed away the newbies, the ones who are only after the price and not the technology, the wannabes and the soft hands. The bear market also switches the focus from price to development.

If you are an investor or trader then you would absolutely love the bear market but if you are a consumer or a business owner then I don't think that the bear market will be your friend. Remember that the last bear market made a lot is businesses to pull out crypto payments as it was too volatile for them an its affecting their sales.  Also with this consumers or users are also affected as their BTC has less buying power compared to before and they are forced to hold it out in order for the prices to be acceptable again. So the bear market isn't really a good thing for some depending on how you looked at it.

That's true, we can see the efforts of different teams for the development of the market not only with those bi-products that we are up to, and I guess that's great since it shows that everyone is aiming now for a better community and better cryptocurrency in this platform. We have seen skyrocketed prices of the different alternative coins which naturally tend us to focus more on prediction not with the value of the projects and the market itself and how great or qualified the services that they are offering just like in gambling, it doesn't focuses mainly on making profits, it also executes certain strategy for us to be profitable in it. What we usually think about gambling is something addictive or waste of time or even entertainment, but as we go deeper it exercises capabilities in taking risks and guts to coincide with luck. That is what I usually do in  Vegas casino (https://vegascasino.io/casino/video-slots/crazy-bananas?utm_source=cccb)  playing variety of games that I love with proper moderation as well as enjoying their great deal of welcoming reward just for doing my deposit into it.Taking risks and making strategies, not only after with the profit that we can get but how well we can be and the utility it offers.

Yes, in fact, no one knows exactly what will happen next. Simply, many people are afraid and sell their cryptocurrencies, because they do not know what will happen next. And many large investors do not dare to buy cryptocurrencies because they also do not know what will happen next. So far, there are no clear rules of the game in relation to Bitcoin. I mean, big business will be wary of investing in Bitcoin until the situation with the regulators of developed countries is clear. As soon as regulations and laws are developed for the interaction of cryptocurrencies with the existing financial system, large sums of money will immediately enter the market.

The point is that newbies in the market are always worried on the stagnant bearish conditions of the market whereas an experienced or seasoned trader would know that bearish state of the market is an ample opportunity to buy more and hodl bearing in that price pump and dump and catching the lows and highs to buy and sell and certainly believed that the price will always recovers despite the long period of the bearish sentiment.
Now the price of btc had pullback to $4K9 of course some trader would have sold at $5K+ and started buying again.

Yes, this a good thing OP that the price was low and possible many people profit on and get more bitcoins and now hold or maybe some of them sell when grow and now buy again.

The logic behind the unreasonable profit which people earn or make through crypto currency  investment was actually generate from the bad condition or bearish market as some people use to say but the exact logic was lead to an inexperience traders and investors panic sell.

That is what happens, whatever the conditions will have something that can be used well by those who have good skills, in contrast to those who are easily panicked because of fud which makes it difficult to get good profits. It's hard to predict if you don't understand how to analyze everything that happens, at least having a little skill will make you more confident in facing a bearish market.

I haven't seen much more development take place in the current beark market. Everything that most serious projects did and do right now was planned well before the bear market even initiated.

People tend to give a positive twist to anything they see as negative, and the bear market versus the buidl mentality isn't any different. On top of that, after a bear market we're due for another bull market, and all the shitty scam projects and noobs will be back gambling their credit and live savings. Every bull run results in more mainstream adoption and thus more get rich quick noobs. They are here to stay.

This is one option and it is true.
In my opinion, a bearish market is good because the community and the market in general, gets rid of the non-believers of the technology that lies behind the cryptocurrencies. Those people that are just in here for making profits because they thought that bitcoin is an easy way to do so. We don't need these people and bear markets help us kick them out.

If people can predict that, maybe not a problem if price not up for now. Maybe who panic is who bought when it is peak and start to tired to wait bitcoin price can give profit for them and sell it more than price that they bought.

The benefit and the genuinely reason behind the bearish market which some high ranking members of this forum also misinterpreted was the reason why I agreed to Pompliano statement when he said "crypto is for the machines, not the humans" because some people believe crypto will never survive the bearish market.

Current market conditions are conditions that make investors fall hesitant about their actions to take a stand regarding the next market price because they are still afraid after the previous bear market and bearish market is the most decisive thing to get or lose by holding it for that.
because we know the market is very turbulent and winding it is not easy to go straight to the finish line

This situation is sometimes influenced by manipulators, prices are manipulated according to targets and desires. we must follow the situation and we must be able to take advantage of momentum. it is true that when prices decline or increase we can take advantage of the next bearish market situation .

Its not just bitcoin but all of the cryptocurrency and also tokens are cheaper in bearish market ,and you perfectly correct that on this situation we can accumulate as many as we can purchase and may gain profit just like what we are having now,lucky i have bought litecoin in February and sold them yesterday lol

Now i am waiting again for this coin to drop the price because i can feel that theres another growth happening soon

Well manipulation or not, i think it a bearish market keeps things balanced. Same thing as a bull market. We can't just have one type of movement and yeah, a bear market gives chance to traders to think clearly to fill their pockets with cheap coins.

People have been screaming that this is an accumulation period. I don't know if member here listens though. And when the bull run started or if we touch all time high, they complain that they didn't  buy when the price is cheap.  ;D


And there are traders who can also earn even in bearish market. But you need to take the risk and at least have the experienced to short it.

The bear market seems to awaken me from sleep. Because sometimes I always think that there will be an increase and continue without thinking about the end. However, these situations explicate you the loss is like slapping.

but that doesn't mean you have to buying all the coins that have cheap prices, lots of shitcoin on the market and only a few coins that
rise when the bearish ends, if you want to take advantage of that moment it's a good thing, but selective also needed

The bear market is not bad because if we can use the moment to buy bitcoin or other coins at a very low price, we will be so lucky to see the price will start to increase later. But many people don't see this as their opportunity and they only desperate and waiting for the time to increase without doing something like buying bitcoin. That will be bad for them because they cannot make a profit from bitcoin or other coins when the bear market is ended because they don't buy anything in the bear market.

We don't have to follow their step because they have their own decision and so we did. We'd better buy from now on while the price does not yet increase so we can make a big profit later. So both, bear market and the bull market will have different benefits for us, and it only works for people who know the opportunity that will make a profit and us.

Sometimes this can also work in favor of us, depending on our level of patience, like me, even if I have an investment that had already gone high on profit and they create FUD that will make the price slash.

I will still not panic sell, I don’t mind if the price still falls below my purchase price, I see it as another opportunity to even get more of it because one thing I really know for sure is that a time will come that it will be totally impossible for whales to manipulate bitcoin again, when the price has gone so high and become too expensive for them to purchase, Then there would have been more than enough profit for my investment, which FUD will they create now that will make the price of BTC fall back to 2010? So none of this really affect those that invested that time.

Honestly, those things are has become a theory but we can't make it reals sometime. Although we will know the future of bitcoin and know the potential of bitcoin in the future but we can't decided it easily. I myself always have those things, I perennially knows if bitcoin price fall and even meet drastically fall I'll have an idea in my mind that this is time is a good to buy a lot of bitcons.

But I always have a doubt to do it until I don't buy it because I have a thought I'll buy when the price start recover. But when the price start to recover then I have other thought that this price increase is a trap and bitcoin will fall again so I decide to not buy and wait the other good time to buy. Those things are always come when I decide to buy bitcoin and the conclusion is bearish market is indeed the good time to buy but for those who has knowledgable to bitcoin.

Friday afternoon/late evening was my best trading day in recent memory on LBC (my regular scheduled sell-btc-pay-bills period). Put up a significant sell offer, just a nick below market rates, and I got a flurry of offers emptying me out to escrow in under a minute. I was even delayed on a couple of orders just because I had to reply to the first ones first.

So I don't know about bad market condition, it was really nice to close all trades and everything out in 10 minutes what normally takes me a couple of days on a "good" market.

So yeah, guess people are all thinking now, no better time to buy cheap Bitcoin. They shoulda got it off me a week ago though;)

The bear market is time to buy, the crypto market is still not over and there are still opportunities to rise again, and when the bull run comes it will be a big advantage.

Sounds like you were "selling into strength." (https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/sellingintostrength.asp) It's not a bad strategy for locking in profits. Demand was strong on the last wave up but we should probably expect momentum and volume to fade out on the next attempt upwards. That's why conservative traders will often aim to sell into Wave 3 rather than hoping/waiting for Wave 5 to develop (in Elliott Wave terms):

http://learningcenter.fxstreet.com/img/learning-center/unit-2/chp3-5wave-pat.png

Not many people believe on this theory of buying cheap in bear market. I have seen people who do not buy when bitcoin is near 3500$ and think it will not rise. Now that bitcoin is above 5000$, they are asking if they can buy bitcoins now. This mentality of the people need to be changed. They need to buy when others are selling.

Bear market for me is a blessing. Since in history of bitcoin, bitcoin is always the bubble. It exploded many times. And for the bear, it is just a reminder for us that bitcoin is still alive. HISTORY REPEATS  ITSELF. Bitcoin is a great history for all of us. It is currently 10 years old and underwent so many downfalls. Bear market is not that bad. It's the accumulation process for us just to get back on track.

Bitcoin opportunities isn't a greedy matter with regards to investments, because there's always a chance for everybody that's why bearish market kepts creating market downfalls. Fluctuating price always fall on cheaper value in order to fix some of those so called bubbling price. Yes, we all seen an old story that always seems to happen again and again because of bitcoin's volatile character as currency. Generally during bad market conditions, bigger chances will become more interesting as part of the growing numbers of holders, who've patiently waited for a perfect time on price to achieve another successive increasing trend.

The bearish times doesn't go well for most people but sometimes I want to see a little correction so I could buy more of whatever coin I have my eyes on.

Every time we can take the opportunity even though the market is bad, it all depends on us in responding to the market, if we look together, the crypto market has many good opportunities. When prices go down we can collect them and this is an opinion that is easy to respond to and need not be afraid, must remain optimistic.

Actually we must have intelligence in seeing the situation. We cannot rely solely on our abilities, we must be careful and smart in determining what we do. Crypto market does have a huge opportunity to be utilized, but the utilization must be right. What we do will determine what we will get.

The only good thing about having a bad market is that you can gain more cryptocurrency that you can sell later on. This is the right time to abuse the market but still be very careful because you might end up losing more if the coin that you bought has a really hard time couping from its losses.

May people are willing to responds to any opportunity the bear market gives them but at the end, they still end up losing the opportunity to FUD, many people wishing now that the price could drop back to $3000, if the market responded to that and drastically start dropping in price, they will still be confused when they should buy or not, from there, they will the next lower value till they finally miss out.

Some of the opportunity comes when we are not even aware of it , talk less of responding to it. Like you said, we are very optimistic about bitcoin and anyone that wants to respond to market should do now before it gets too late to do so.

That is why only those that followed the market cycles that really make money from the cryptocurrencies market.  We are not going to have bad days if we buy now that the market is lower and sell when it has grown significantly.  Therefore the bearish market give us opportunity to buy low and the bullish market is when we should sell  .

Bad market condition is also good purposes because yes you can avail bitcoin with lower value. So once the market decreased better for us to invest more and those people who follow already gain some profit more than 30 percent their profit from now if they purchased bitcoin in the month of January.

You are someone that is thinking about the long term prospects of the market and the profit that you can get with it but most investors are not like that they only care about the profits that they can get during the next week or two and for them a bear market is terrible because it means months or even years of no profits, then they cannot take it anymore and they leave the market which gives smart investors the opportunity to buy coins for cheap and get huge rewards when the market finally recovers.

Undoubtedly, for the one who sets himself the goal - to increase the size of the deposit in bitcoins - a bear market is the best opportunity for this. It is at such moments that the price decreases on such a scale in order to accomplish what is needed. However, for the vast majority of investors, a bear market is always a negative.

For bullish investor, bearish market is not bad, it's the cycle of the market, we can be in bearish and we can be in bullish.
They said buy it since it's bearish and prices are cheap, and I would say they are right, the newbie will fear but the experience will be confident
and they will see a big opportunity during the bear market, and they can buy at the cheapest price.

If BTC have dipped already and bull run continues, that would result to a good profit for buyers are bear market.

Definitely because that's the reason why market need volatility so that despite of the situation some investor can buy affordable price also. Because it's very unfair if the price constantly increasing always  which is there's no opportunity for others to atleast gain massive profits when investing .

That's right, there's no need to panic with the bearish market because it becomes an opportunity to buy more at low prices, and when the market goes up we will harvest profits.

Current market we can't mark bad as well. Since bitcoin growth is good we can buy some alts those are not yet recovered. By this way we can increase our capital/bitcoin. Obviously we should choose best and potential coin/token. Once btc was 3K people's thought it will go more down. They will think now why they had not buy bitcoin at 3k zone. However, market could pull back a little bit. I think that time new people's can buy some bitcoin whoever missed on 3K zone. We don't know when bitcoin will start bull run. There is possibility, just now touched 5.4K. So whoever want to enter they might wait for small pull back.

in the bear market in General is better out of the market , as you can get trapped and catch every time a new bottom , I think you need to buy when the trend is born to reduce the chances of losing money.

Getting out of the market during bears are a bad idea to do because you can either loose if ever you brought your coins at a slight higher value or you cant earn big because sometimes the value can increase unexpectedly after a bear because people will start buying coins   .


You mean buying at highs or during bull ?  That does not cut the chance of loosing . its actually more risky if we buy during a bull trend because the price can probably collapse since many are expected to dispose thier coins to earn a profit  .

To me unlike the market trend bitcoin is always good. Till date this has made a big change in my living. Particularly when the market is bad it can be prioritized as the right time to make an investment. Only thing that I found bad about the market is that even when the market is bad it is benefited by the large whales while the small scale investors won't be benefiting big as they are not that affordable.

Unfortunately, the market is now arranged so that it is difficult to find objective information about how events will develop in the future, perhaps right now the least expectations are placed on information that comes from the media as well as other unverified sources. Trust your inuition - its a best option now.

There is really no way of knowing when a bad market starts or a good market starts during the starting dates, when you look back on 20 thousand dollars price and how it started to fall you can see the point where it all started to go down and than we reached all the way down to three thousand dollars which is an insane fall.

However, during those early days I remember distinctly that people talked about how it was correction and it needed to drop a bit to go higher, everyone believed price would go down to 16-18 ranges and than it would skyrocket back to 20 and than to 30, that didn't happen at all. When it started to go up everyone was calling it a dead cat bounce or whatever and not believed it was going up but look at us now a lot higher than what we used to be just a month ago. Its easy to look back on prices but meanwhile nobody really knows they are in it.

This is not a good thing for those who have fully invested already, but good thing for those who wish that bitcoin will dump so they can accumulate again.
Bad market condition is what we called bearish, crypto has grown and improve but there are bearish times as some investors cash out and some are not certain of the future, so they are waiting for the right timing to get back in the market, and we called that bullish period then.

Everyone has to understand that the market did not collapse, don't get FUD and FOMO, be smart and always do some research.

Once the market is in the bad condition that is the right and good time to purchased more coins but not all coins are good because they have some coins who are going to lose you more if you invest it. Once the msrket rise after bad condition good profit will be in you..

  People with a lot of experience will enlighten to create an accurate deliberation by dealing off every circumstances in crypto world. As of now, the current market still on rapid growing and it is a good opportunity to every investor's to invest bitcoin while its price is affordable and purchase when the market has gain the satisfaction peak.

first of all, price is ALWAYS going to be "affordable" because you don't have to ever buy 10000000 bitcoins! you can buy a small amount like 0.001BTC too.
secondly those who have a lot of experience don't wait around for the rises to begin before jumping on board. they either take the higher risk of buying when price is still not moving and is at the bottom or jump on board the minute it started rising.

One of the most important characteristics of good Bitcoin investor or trader is to know how to deal with every situation on the market and get the most out of it. The situation will never be ideal and you have to know what are your options and possibilities so that you can use your best chances. Sometimes that means to buy and sometimes that means to sell. It's always good to watch closely at the market, to analyse and predict so that you can act accordingly.

Do you think that what you said was something difficult to think? Everyone, even child can logically tell you that. But personally I disagree you at some point, it's not good when the only thing people do is holding bitcoin, no, it has go be in circulation, it's not good for bitcoin economy to just buy it and hold in your wallet, also don't look at it as an investment option only, look it as payment method too.

It is always been a good thing for us TRUE INVESTORS  that bear market approach and stays longer because our holdings can be maximize everytime this type of market comes.the panicked people if the dropping of prices happens?those are the people who only want to take money from this community

Having a bad market condition can be good for a long term investor because they can buy altcoins at a low price but for day traders this bad market is not good since they cannot enter a good position but peraonally I love a bad market condition because I can buy more altcoin then I will hold for long term.


How can you identify a true investor? All of us can be investor but not all can hold  for long term most of the time people sell aktcoin when they saw a good chance or having a good profit, like what happen to IEO in binance Launchpad investor immediately sell they token after listing.

In order to void losing more money, whenhe market goes dip, it will be best we invest in already existing projects and focusing more on picking from the ones at the TOP on coinmarketcap.

Although sometimes, we just have to take the risk in trying some coins too that are not on the coinmarket top list but before then, thorough research is really needed to make the right choice, If we make the right choice of coin, there is then possibility that when Bitcoin Runs on bull, it will also carry along these coins before they end up getting dumped after or during the bull, but best to keep more of our money in BTC.

Absolutely right dude,imagine that accumulating cryptocurrency specially bitcoin is really hard when market is in green position.the higher value hindering us to buy cryptos and now if the market stays in lower prices then we can buy confidently

Yes that is the good part of bad market condition. Me myself I buy different cryptocurrencies specially when they are in the dip because I know they will have a worth in the future when bitcoin increase they will increase also :). Bad market condition is not bad at all we can take this as advantage and buy more alts in dip.

This is our opportunity to buy more when bearish market happen. Good decision that you buy different crypto that when time price increase we can take profit. Also we have to be patience since market condition is volatile that we do not know when it can recover.

There are good things about having a bad market , one is people can buy altcoins and bitcoin in a low value and wait for the pump to gain profits. People can invest in their choice of cryptocurrency and earn a lot of money once their value goes up. Traders will definitely gain profits from a bad market condition.

This is one thing so many persons don't understand and I wish they really understood this, when some group of persons are running away from the market, there are some persons out there creating FUD news in order to make holders of coins dump the coin the more so they can pick it up at a very cheap price for themselves, this people don't just invest for the now but for the future because they know that surely the price of Bitcoin will go so high and they will benefit a lot from it, one thing we should know in the market is that as one is dumping, someone else is picking up.

I do believe that we are becoming wiser than the manipulators and FUD creators!  It is your understanding on how the market work that do put money in your pocket as a trader. I always see any position of the market as an opportunity to do something.

Well, it is not a bad thing, someone must loose for someone to win, we cannot all be believers, while unbelievers are dumping the coin, we believers will keep picking it up, and when the future comes, it will teach them a very sound lesson to always learn to be patient in life.

If they don’t believe in the coin, it is better they don’t get in at all, rather than risking it and eventually coming to dump it at a lower price. We all know the potential of Bitcoin already and its future abilities, this is the best time to stick to our Holding and not let go till we receive our own portion of its blessing, which will come when the bull run finally shows up and gets us to BTC ATH.

A true crypto aficionado knows how to take advantage of the situation, good or bad market, he will find a way how to maximize his possible gain. Noobs are complaining about the bearish market but if you are a true crypto lover, this is your chance to hodl btc.

That is how we had to react on a bearish market situation. Buying and invest more bitcoins and other altcoins. Being a smart investor while the their corresponding prices were too low are significant  to gain huge profits when the pump comes.
But we have to understand the feelings of most of the investors who bought btc at high price and then being deficient because of the bear market. They were too emotional and scared that it might not returned their invested money.

It's always positive when you are fully supporting the industry, you'll find your way to take every opportunities to earned from the market situations, only amateurs will complain about every trends as they can't work out but for those skills and experienced traders, the downfall will bring benefits to accumulate and wait for the next bull shine out and harvest the benefits from those cheap coins that you bought during the bear market.

With the bearish market happen, we can buy many coins available in the market, and we can get a lower price. That will be good for us because we can get all coins we want and we only need to wait for some time until the coins price can increase and we can start to sell some amount to get the money's back. The bad market will attract the investor to come to the market, and they will buy the target coins too because they don't want to miss the chance.

Traders are required to adjust to the situation, they cannot continue to deal with high prices but are not prepared for falling prices. fluctuations will always make prices fall and you have to get used to it, and not always it's a bad thing, you can use it to buy, not always falling prices are a bad thing

Investors or traders should know about this. But sometime a lot of trader out there when market is on bear trend and take a rest. Maybe it is their style but for me act like investor is better than day trader if bear market come.

We have a lot of negative prejudices towards investors of bitcoin or investors cryptocurrency as a whole. We always thought bitcoin price can be manipulated easly and I think this is what OP's means. Whilst, it isn't good for the development bitcoin in the future, newcomers will always afraid to buy bitcoin becuase the factor manipulation side. You have own strategy and you ca do it without tell to anyone about what's your thought, the volatile price can be use as a field to gain a lot of profits and this thing just fews people who know it.

Bad thing is when we panic, as long as we understand that this situation is normal to the market, we will be able to find an opportunity on it.
Whales are making themselves more profitable because they are using their power properly, we for the fact that they can manipulate the market and if they will dump it will cause panic, but not for the smart investors because we do the opposite of panic selling, which is buying.

Actually, the bearish market situation is a blessing in disguise for many big traders, I am sure that many of them invest heavily during this period and reap benefits when the market goes in bull trend. So, you have to have funds available in all situation, so that you can take advantage of the dull condition.