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Title: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: tokeweed on April 06, 2019, 12:59:28 PM
Date: Saturday, April 13
Preliminary Card (ESPN+): 23:15 BCT / 3:15pm PST / 6:15pm EST
Preliminary Card (ESPN): 1:00 BCT / 5pm PST / 8pm EST
Main Card (ESPN): 3:00 BCT / 7pm PST / 10pm EST
Live Streams: http://www.fěrstrow.eu/


https://i.imgur.com/QcZ5m7s.jpg

Main Card (ESPN+)

https://i.imgur.com/TNaFXPM.gif Max Holloway (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Holloway) (20-3) vs. https://i.imgur.com/TNaFXPM.gif Dustin Poirier (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dustin_Poirier) (24-5) (Interim Lightweight Championship)
https://i.imgur.com/TNaFXPM.gif Kelvin Gastelum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin_Gastelum) (15-3) vs. https://i.imgur.com/M5HAlET.gif Israel Adesanya (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Adesanya) (16-0) (Interim Middleweight Championship)
https://i.imgur.com/TNaFXPM.gif Eryk Anders (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eryk_Anders) (11-3) vs. https://i.imgur.com/TNaFXPM.gif Khalil Rountree Jr. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalil_Rountree_Jr.) (7-3) (Light Heavyweight)
https://i.imgur.com/TNaFXPM.gif Alan Jouban (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Jouban) (16-6) vs. https://i.imgur.com/TNaFXPM.gif Dwight Grant (https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Dwight-Grant-68983) (9-2) (Welterweight)
https://i.imgur.com/TNaFXPM.gif Ovince Saint Preux (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovince_Saint_Preux) (23-12) vs. https://i.imgur.com/HRmdqZF.gif Nikita Krylov (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikita_Krylov) (24-6) (Light Heavyweight)

Preliminary Card (ESPN)

https://i.imgur.com/TNaFXPM.gif Jalin Turner (https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Jalin-Turner-158269) (8-4) vs. https://i.imgur.com/TNaFXPM.gif Matt Frevola (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Frevola) (6-1-1) (Lightweight)
https://i.imgur.com/1M3a7Pb.gif Wilson Reis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilson_Reis) (23-9) vs. https://i.imgur.com/1M3a7Pb.gif Alexandre Pantoja (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandre_Pantoja) (20-3) (Flyweight)
https://i.imgur.com/TNaFXPM.gif Max Griffin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Griffin_(fighter)) (14-6) vs. https://i.imgur.com/X1kAVPE.gif Zelim Imadaev (https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Zelim-Imadaev-232055) (8-0) (Welterweight)
https://i.imgur.com/TNaFXPM.gif Boston Salmon (https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Boston-Salmon-131463) (6-1) vs. https://i.imgur.com/8PvkFk4.gif Khalid Taha (https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Khalid-Taha-117849) (12-2) (Bantamweight)

Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass)

https://i.imgur.com/TNaFXPM.gif Curtis Millender (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Millender) (17-4) vs. https://i.imgur.com/TNaFXPM.gif Belal Muhammad (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belal_Muhammad_(fighter)) (14-3) (Welterweight)
https://i.imgur.com/TNaFXPM.gif Montel Jackson (https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Montel-Jackson-206717) (7-1) vs. https://i.imgur.com/TNaFXPM.gif Andre Soukhamthath (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andre_Soukhamthath) (13-6) (Bantamweight)
https://i.imgur.com/TNaFXPM.gif Lauren Mueller (https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Lauren-Mueller-202159) (5-1) vs. https://i.imgur.com/1M3a7Pb.gif Poliana Botelho (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poliana_Botelho) (7-2) (Women's Flyweight)
https://i.imgur.com/TNaFXPM.gif Brandon Davis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Davis) (9-5) vs. https://i.imgur.com/TNaFXPM.gif Randy Costa (https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/fighters/65764-randy-costa) (4-0) (Bantamweight)

Thanks to the Puertorican for letting me use this content (https://www.liquidpoker.net/poker-forum/1161797/UFC_236:_Holloway_vs._Poirier_2.html).


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: tokeweed on April 07, 2019, 01:41:54 PM
Here are some vids to start.  I hope this gets more of you to get into watching the event.  I wish the UFC uploaded Poirier vs Gaethje.  The vid below they have vs Holloway doesn't show his development as a fighter.  It mostly feels like a promotion mostly for Holloway.  

Anyway, I'll look for a boot leg vid of that match and post it itt if I can find it...  Enjoy.  :)

UFC 236 Free Fight:  Holloway vs Poirier 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqMwkVu3RNs

UFC 236 Free Fight:  Holloway vs Ortega
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBU4Hxqe8vY

UFC 236 Free Fight:  Adesanya vs Silva
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr8AhulhFuE

UFC 236 Free Fight:  Gastelum vs Bisping
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9kkFb6cQ_M

Edit:  Found it!  The quality's not as good tho.

Poirier vs Gaethje
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlEiKM5wJGU

Watch eeeet!!!


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: YuginKadoya on April 07, 2019, 02:38:20 PM
Max Halloway now had a chance for revenge against Dustin Poirier But I can see that this is going to be hard for him because of the advantage Poirier had, His experience and reach is pretty much a threat against Halloway, but this can be a great fight because both fighters would surely give their all in the fight, Like in my previous post I will bet for Dustin Poirier because of his experience in the league.


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: Bitinity on April 07, 2019, 02:47:00 PM
It is a bit confusing to see 2 same thread discussing about this event although the other one is created by other member.
As I know you are the first member who are focusing to create thread about UFC predictions, so I think it is better if you make 1 thread only for all UFC events instead creating many threads so all discussion related to UFC will be on 1 thread only. You only need to update the main post once there is new events so it can be tracked easily. Just my 2 cents


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: tokeweed on April 07, 2019, 02:49:12 PM
Max Halloway now had a chance for revenge against Dustin Poirier But I can see that this is going to be hard for him because of the advantage Poirier had, His experience and reach is pretty much a threat against Halloway, but this can be a great fight because both fighters would surely give their all in the fight, Like in my previous post I will bet for Dustin Poirier because of his experience in the league.

^  I'd be betting on Poirier cos I think the line on Holloway is kinda steep.  But if it moved giving a bit more for Holloway, maybe 1.70ish - 1.80ish then that's gonna be some nice value for Holloway.


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: eaLiTy on April 08, 2019, 05:51:47 PM
Max Halloway now had a chance for revenge against Dustin Poirier But I can see that this is going to be hard for him because of the advantage Poirier had, His experience and reach is pretty much a threat against Halloway, but this can be a great fight because both fighters would surely give their all in the fight, Like in my previous post I will bet for Dustin Poirier because of his experience in the league.
Max Holloway is the bigger man but Poirier has the reach advantage, but if you are counting experience, Holloway is the champion at 145 and moving up the division for his next belt and how can you neglect that and he is riding a 13 fight winning streak that dates back from 2013 and his striking skills are excellent, i go for Max to win the fight if he is healthy.

so I think it is better if you make 1 thread only for all UFC events instead creating many threads so all discussion related to UFC will be on 1 thread only. You only need to update the main post once there is new events so it can be tracked easily. Just my 2 cents
That is the best option rather than creating new threads for every events and now we have two threads for the same event.


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: BRE on April 09, 2019, 06:05:34 AM
Thanks tokeweed  for taking your time on making such a nice and full of info threat of the event!! with out doubt it's better than the other one.

In this ufc event my heart and my wallet are with Max and Israel. I have my btc placed in aparlay that pays X2.2



Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: tokeweed on April 09, 2019, 12:28:38 PM
^  No problem...  I just want more of you guys getting into MMA cos it's an awesome sport.  And it's really fun to put some action in the matches.  ;D

...  And here are some staple vids to watch before any UFC PPV event.  Enjoy.  :)

UFC 236:  Inside the Octagon - Holloway vs Poirier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRIt9lQThmE

UFC 236 Countdown:  Full Episode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGp7F-WuCBg

UFC 236:  Vlog Series 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD0mQh1R_P4


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: peter0425 on April 09, 2019, 01:33:03 PM
Max Halloway now had a chance for revenge against Dustin Poirier But I can see that this is going to be hard for him because of the advantage Poirier had, His experience and reach is pretty much a threat against Halloway, but this can be a great fight because both fighters would surely give their all in the fight, Like in my previous post I will bet for Dustin Poirier because of his experience in the league.
This will surely be a good fight to watch. Max is really making a lot of improvements lately so it's going to be interesting to see if he can avenge his first lost against Poirier. Dustin is not push-over and wants to prove that his win against Max is no fluke. This could be a bloody and I hope to see the fight goes into full distance so that as fans, our money will be worth.


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: tokeweed on April 09, 2019, 01:52:28 PM
^  But for the line the bookies are giving Poirier, it's def value...  Even at 2.84ish at Nitrogen (got in higher at 3.05 tho  :)).  The match is gonna be closer than what almost everybody expects imho.


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: tokeweed on April 10, 2019, 02:21:34 PM
Hey guys, here's part two of the vlog series.  I used to not watch them cos I thought they were more like fillers for the last week before the event starts.  But they actually get you into the mindset of the fighters, the coaches and everyone else behind the scenes.  

And do watch the Top 5 Finishes videos.  :)  The main event could finish itd...

UFC 236:  Vlog Series 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isM1QdkWyxc

Poirier Top 5 Finishes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm4uF4J-dzw

Holloway Top 5 Finishes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDW_PsxYjTE


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: alisafidel58 on April 10, 2019, 02:52:09 PM
I would still be going for Poirier in this fight, even though Max is a champion and Dustin is not. Dustin will be more eager to beat Max once again because he has a champion and there a title that is on the line in this fight.


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: nydiacaskey01 on April 10, 2019, 11:59:26 PM
I am more interested with the Gastelum and Adesanya fight. Both fighters have an edge but it looks like Adesanya have a bright future with UFC. Whenever he fights, I always think of watching Anderson Silva on his younger years. I just hope he will not be careless like Silva on his later fights in UFC where he fools around, that's where he got caught get KOd.


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: bbc.reporter on April 11, 2019, 04:20:58 AM
I would still be going for Poirier in this fight, even though Max is a champion and Dustin is not. Dustin will be more eager to beat Max once again because he has a champion and there a title that is on the line in this fight.

However, Max will be eager to win a lightweight title also and be a 2 division champion.

It is also not on who is more eager. It is on who has improved more since their fight 7 years ago. I reckon it is Max Blessed Holloway. He will test Dustin Poirier's cardio on the 4th and 5th rounds and I predict Max will win by technical knockout.


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: Kemarit on April 11, 2019, 12:50:39 PM
I am more interested with the Gastelum and Adesanya fight. Both fighters have an edge but it looks like Adesanya have a bright future with UFC. Whenever he fights, I always think of watching Anderson Silva on his younger years. I just hope he will not be careless like Silva on his later fights in UFC where he fools around, that's where he got caught get KOd.

Agree, he is being Adensaya has been compared to the great Anderson Silva. I don't know but I have a feeling that Kevin might pull a upset here.  ;D. As for the Max vs Dustin fight, I will also go with Max Holloway, as everyone noticed, he has improved and developed into a well rounded fighter. His name was always in the discussions to fight either Khabib, Conor and Tony F. So that's how far he his career had grow and matured.


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: tokeweed on April 11, 2019, 01:47:59 PM
^  The line for Adesanya is kinda steep too tho.  I think I'm gonna go for the under 3.5 rounds at 2.09ish.  I can see it finishing early since Gastelum is aggro and moves forward a lot.  You guys should know that there's a huge chance Adesanya didn't give full power vs Anderson Silva.  It was more of a show than a real bout imho.  I think he could have finished him if he really wanted to.

Edit:  UFC 236:  Vlog Series 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzUtNfyTswc


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: mich on April 11, 2019, 08:20:02 PM
The Hawaiian is in top form and I dont see Porier able to keep up.
In the co main, Im giving Gastelum a legit shot at defeating the barely tested Adesanya.
Adesanya looked great in his last fight defeating a over the top Anderon Silva but other then that we dont really know how good he is.
Interesting to see if Gastelum will make weight. 


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: nydiacaskey01 on April 11, 2019, 10:57:13 PM
The Hawaiian is in top form and I dont see Porier able to keep up.
In the co main, Im giving Gastelum a legit shot at defeating the barely tested Adesanya.
Adesanya looked great in his last fight defeating a over the top Anderon Silva but other then that we dont really know how good he is.
Interesting to see if Gastelum will make weight. 
Yes I noticed that Gastelum is big and might encounter weight problems on time for the weigh-ins. Have you watched the video where it looks like Adesanya and Gastelum are checking in something at a UFC event and you can see Gastelum with chewing gum and looks nervous or maybe he just feel awkward at that time. And Yes I would also like to see Gastelum win in this fight.


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: NavI_027 on April 12, 2019, 12:10:44 AM
I am more interested with the Gastelum and Adesanya fight.
Both fighters have an edge but it looks like Adesanya have a bright future with UFC.
Me too, but I'm still looking forward for our main event of course :D.

Regarding to that fight, I'll go for Adesanya because he is faster and more versatile fighter than Gastelum and you can really see his dominance on his every match thus making for him not impossible do it again against Gastelum. However, we can't still underestimate his opponent because he is more of a defensive player, the tables could turn once he found a proper timing.
Whenever he fights, I always think of watching Anderson Silva on his younger years. I just hope he will not be careless like Silva on his later fights in UFC where he fools around, that's where he got caught get KOd.
Silva and Adesanya got similarities but they're still way different from one another (IMO). Anyway, I hope the same thing. I love the "careless" style of Silva somehow because it is unique and it's really fun to watch counter punch KOs but this is not advisable at all because sloppy movements creates open spots in which you might get trouble.


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: Haunebu on April 12, 2019, 11:43:46 AM
The Hawaiian is in top form and I dont see Porier able to keep up.
I don't agree. I predict that Poirier will defeat Holloway and win the championship even though Max is in great form currently. Max wants redemption, but he will end up getting more than what he bargained for at the end of the day.

Poirier all the way in my opinion.


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: tokeweed on April 12, 2019, 12:19:55 PM
I'm feeling real good with my under 3.5 round bet on Adesanya vs Gastelum after seeing this vid.  :)

UFC 236:  Vlog Series 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spJIwBADCX4


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: Hydrogen on April 12, 2019, 12:38:10 PM
Initial notes

-Montel Jackson has been a professional MMA fighter for less than 2 years. He's accomplished some amazing things for how short of a career he's had. There's still a question of whether his relative lack of experience could be exposed @ some point. Aside from that he's a good prospect with a good amateur wrestling background as an olympic hopeful who looked for another sport to compete in after wrestling was pulled as an olympic sport(before later being reinstated).

-This is Eryk Anders first fight @ 205 lbs. He's moving up from 185.

-Max Griffin was robbed in his last fight versus Thiago Alves. Officially he "lost". In reality he won.

-Curtis Millender's ground game looked terrible in his last fight. I don't know if Belal Muhammad will shoot for takedowns or if the fight will end up on the ground. Millender could have one of the worst ground games out of anyone in the entire UFC. That's a hole in his game future opponents could look to expose.


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: Cloudbet on April 12, 2019, 01:40:56 PM
Looking forward to this weekend, there's even some fun matchups in the undercards for a change!

We've got tips for the top matchups at UFC 236 (https://www.cloudbet.com/en/blog/previews/13268-ufc-236-bitcoin-betting-holloways-rematch?utm_source=bitcointalk&utm_medium=community&utm_campaign=0419-bitcointalk-post&utm_content=sportsbook-ufc236) over at the Cloudbet blog (https://www.cloudbet.com/en/blog/previews/13268-ufc-236-bitcoin-betting-holloways-rematch?utm_source=bitcointalk&utm_medium=community&utm_campaign=0419-bitcointalk-post&utm_content=sportsbook-ufc236), written by our guest writer, semi-pro MMA fighter Ernesta Bukauskaite (https://youtu.be/NJ6KeGBLJd4):

Max Holloway v Dustin Poirier (https://www.cloudbet.com/en/sports/mma/dustin-poirier-v-max-holloway/e1512244?utm_source=bitcointalk&utm_medium=community&utm_campaign=0419-bitcointalk-post&utm_content=sportsbook-ufc236-holloway-poirier)

Although Pourier has shown advancement and calibre as a fighter, Holloway is far more nuanced. His skillset is far more advanced and his natural reactions better. He has already dramatically and unquestionably proven himself in his own weight division. We believe that this time, Holloway may be victorious.

Max Holloway to win (1.46)


Kelvin Gastelum v Israel Adesanya (https://www.cloudbet.com/en/sports/mma/kelvin-gastelum-v-israel-adesanya/e1512245?utm_source=bitcointalk&utm_medium=community&utm_campaign=0419-bitcointalk-post&utm_content=sportsbook-ufc236-gast-israel)

Gastelum is clearly the more balanced fighter and overall has a stronger ground game with more varied finishing power. Adesanya’s strategy relies more on striking and take down defence than does Gastelum’s. However, considering the great advantage in height and reach, we would predict that Gastelum could not get close enough to make an impact with his striking or finish a take down without it being countered and that it is likely that Adesanya will take the victory.

Israel Adesanya to win (1.53)


Nikita Krylov v Ovince Saint Preux (https://www.cloudbet.com/en/sports/mma/nikita-krylov-v-ovince-saint-preux/e1512887?utm_source=bitcointalk&utm_medium=community&utm_campaign=0419-bitcointalk-post&utm_content=sportsbook-ufc236-krylov-preux)

Both fighters are experienced and balanced in their skillsets. However, whilst St. Preux may have taken the victory last time, Krylov has shown progress and greater finishing power. We believe that this time Krylov will likely be the victor.

Nikita Krylov to win (1.85)


Check out the full blog here (https://www.cloudbet.com/en/blog/previews/13268-ufc-236-bitcoin-betting-holloways-rematch?utm_source=bitcointalk&utm_medium=community&utm_campaign=0419-bitcointalk-post&utm_content=blog-ufc236), including a full breakdown of the games above and the other undercards.

I'll be 'submitting' (geddit!) to our expert's opinion and going with a multi on the above (~4.13)  ;)

Ronnie @ Cloudbet



Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: TopTort777 on April 12, 2019, 01:58:23 PM
Looking forward to this weekend, there's even some fun matchups in the undercards for a change!


Does Cloudbet blog writes review for each UFC event ?

Btw, if you click on tags in the end of article. For example Bitcoin Sports Betting - you will get forwarded to the other page. But if you click on MMA or UFC - Boom! nothing happens. 404 Page error.

I've checked the blog, there are others review, so this tags should have worked.


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: Cloudbet on April 12, 2019, 02:24:04 PM
Looking forward to this weekend, there's even some fun matchups in the undercards for a change!


Does Cloudbet blog writes review for each UFC event ?

Btw, if you click on tags in the end of article. For example Bitcoin Sports Betting - you will get forwarded to the other page. But if you click on MMA or UFC - Boom! nothing happens. 404 Page error.

I've checked the blog, there are others review, so this tags should have worked.

Great spot, looks like there's something wrong with the tagging - I'll pass that on to our content team now!

We usually try to have blogs written for all the UFC events, and sometimes for the smaller fight night's too. Here's a couple of the previous ones:

- UFC 235 (https://www.cloudbet.com/en/blog/previews/12182-ufc-235-is-jon-jones-back-on-track?utm_source=bitcointalk&utm_medium=community&utm_campaign=0419-bitcointalk-post&utm_content=blog-ufc235)
- UFC 234 (https://www.cloudbet.com/en/blog/previews/12000-ufc-234-bitcoin-betting-guide?utm_source=bitcointalk&utm_medium=community&utm_campaign=0419-bitcointalk-post&utm_content=blog-ufc234)
- Fight Night 144 (https://www.cloudbet.com/en/blog/previews/11837-ufc-fight-night-144-bitcoin-betting-guide?utm_source=bitcointalk&utm_medium=community&utm_campaign=0419-bitcointalk-post&utm_content=blog-fightnight-144)

Thanks,

Ronnie @ Cloudbet


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: DeathAngel on April 12, 2019, 02:26:22 PM
Poirier to win again for me but it’s not a sure thing. A Holloway win wouldn’t surprise me which would set up a deciding trilogy fight.

I’m just leading towards Poirier atm though.


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: mich on April 12, 2019, 02:38:12 PM
UFC 236 weigh-in video
https://www.mmafighting.com/2019/4/12/18306820/ufc-236-weigh-in-video

Main card
Max Holloway (155) vs. Dustin Poirier (154.5)
Kelvin Gastelum (184) vs. Israel Adesanya (183)
Eryk Anders (205) vs. Khalil Rountree Jr. (206)
Alan Jouban (171) vs. Dwight Grant (171)
Ovince Saint Preux (206) vs. Nikita Krylov (205)

Gastelum no problem making weight is worth a small play.





Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: electronicash on April 12, 2019, 04:22:46 PM
poirier was just that lucky that day max holloway during their first fight weren't equipped for ground fight but he must be this time. he will win this fight via flying knees and raining straights.

Poirier to win again for me but it’s not a sure thing. A Holloway win wouldn’t surprise me which would set up a deciding trilogy fight.

I’m just leading towards Poirier atm though.


yep a 3rd fight would make money money for Dana which is why its going to be fitting for max to win the fight via tko. 


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: pixie85 on April 12, 2019, 05:24:17 PM
The Hawaiian is in top form and I dont see Porier able to keep up.
I don't agree. I predict that Poirier will defeat Holloway and win the championship even though Max is in great form currently. Max wants redemption, but he will end up getting more than what he bargained for at the end of the day.

Poirier all the way in my opinion.

The previous loss can sometimes make a fighter more resilient like that loss Connor got against Nate and turned it around the next time.
Maybe I see it in a different light because I like the underdogs and usually go with them. They are both very good fighters it's going to be a tough fight.


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: tokeweed on April 13, 2019, 01:05:41 PM
Kelvin Gastelum v Israel Adesanya (https://www.cloudbet.com/en/sports/mma/kelvin-gastelum-v-israel-adesanya/e1512245?utm_source=bitcointalk&utm_medium=community&utm_campaign=0419-bitcointalk-post&utm_content=sportsbook-ufc236-gast-israel)

Gastelum is clearly the more balanced fighter and overall has a stronger ground game with more varied finishing power. Adesanya’s strategy relies more on striking and take down defence than does Gastelum’s. However, considering the great advantage in height and reach, we would predict that Gastelum could not get close enough to make an impact with his striking or finish a take down without it being countered and that it is likely that Adesanya will take the victory.

Israel Adesanya to win (1.53)

Adesanya could throw elbows too.  I think Gastelum could eat a couple good ones and cause some damage. And it's possible that Adesanya was putting more of a show than trying to finish Anderson Silva out of respect imo.  I think somebody already pointed it out in one of the UFC threads.

UFC 236:  Vlog Series 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f68tbwa6us

UFC 236:  Vlog Series 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieSRUsfiuC8

Edit:  Oh and one of the things to watch to get into the UFC are the press conferences.  They would seem boring but they're def not.  Watch eeet!  :)

UFC Seasonal Press Conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ABjay32UKE


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: Baofeng on April 14, 2019, 08:41:13 AM
And here are the results:

Dustin Poirier def. Max Holloway via unanimous decision (49-46, 49–46, 49-46) – to win interim lightweight title
Israel Adesanya def. Kelvin Gastelum via unanimous decision (48-46, 48-46, 48-46) – to win interim middleweight title
Khalil Rountree def. Eryk Anders via unanimous decision (30-26, 30-26, 30-26)
Dwight Grant def. Alan Jouban via split decision (29-28, 27-30, 29-28)
Nikita Krylov def. Ovince Saint Preux via submission (rear-naked choke) – Round 2, 2:30
Matt Frevola def. Jalin Turner via unanimous decision (30-27, 30-27, 30-27)
Alexandre Pantoja def. Wilson Reis via TKO (punches) – Round 1, 2:58
Max Griffin def. Zelim Imadaev via majority decision (29-27, 29-27, 28-28)
Khalid Taha def. Boston Salmon via TKO (punches) – Round 1, 0:25
Belal Muhammad def. Curtis Millender via unanimous decision (29-27, 29-27, 30-26)
Montel Jackson def. Andre Soukhamthath via unanimous decision (30-26, 30-27, 29-27)
Poliana Botelho def. Lauren Mueller via unanimous decision (29-28, 29-28, 29-28)
Brandon Davis def. Randy Costa via submission (rear-naked choke) – Round 2, 1:12

Source: https://mmajunkie.com/2019/04/ufc-236-results-dustin-poirier-outlasts-max-holloway-in-stunning-battle-to-claim-interim-belt

I wasn't able to watch the fight, but from what I read, it was an explosive and very entertaining fight. But it was a UD win, meaning Dustin really did a lot of damage. So congrats to those who have pick Dustin to win. Personally, I'm on Max bandwagon, unfortunately, Dustin is his 'kryptonite'.


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: tokeweed on April 14, 2019, 02:08:54 PM
^  Just done watching the replay.  You could always download the torrent from TPB as a last resort.  Tho I would like everybody to know that I don't condone any form of digital piracy.  ;)

Anyway, AAAAWWWSSSOOOMMME MAIN EVENT!!! I can't say more except...  Welcome to LW Mr. Holloway, see you.  Bye!  :D


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: eaLiTy on April 14, 2019, 07:52:45 PM
I missed the live event and i was not able to make a bet for this event as i was busy today, i have to watch the entire fights now and it looks like Israel Adesanya is poking Jon Jones which is a really really bad idea at this stage in his career as there is no one that could challenge Jones and that too from a fighter coming up in weight and Max Holloway finally lost a fight after a great run and finally Dustin Poirier became an interm champion.


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: YuginKadoya on April 14, 2019, 08:30:29 PM

^  I'd be betting on Poirier cos I think the line on Holloway is kinda steep.  But if it moved giving a bit more for Holloway, maybe 1.70ish - 1.80ish then that's gonna be some nice value for Holloway.

It was a good match for me and Max Holloway is no pushover that gives me chills just watching the fight But after the judge's decisions were made I can say that Poirier has the upper hand against Holloway even though Holloway was punching a straight punch Poirier had him with a crunching devasting punch well it was really a close fight and both men surely gave their all in the fight so I give respect for both of them,  



Max Holloway is the bigger man but Poirier has the reach advantage, but if you are counting experience, Holloway is the champion at 145 and moving up the division for his next belt and how can you neglect that and he is riding a 13 fight winning streak that dates back from 2013 and his striking skills are excellent, i go for Max to win the fight if he is healthy.



I am counting the number of fights and not by the winning streak alone, And if you would really watch many fights in the past you will surely need to experience a lot of losses to really reach greatness, I can say that Poirier was really had some past experience because of his moves alone,

But all I can say is that both men were a great fighter and I was so shock just watching the fight and had the goosebumps because of their performance so I give them both respect and reaching the final rounds of the fight.


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: nydiacaskey01 on April 15, 2019, 07:18:34 AM
Too bad Kelvin Gastelum run out of gas on the final rounds of his fight with Israel Adsensya. Israel Adsensya have the reach advantage by 8.5 inches and yet Kelvin Gastelum keeps on closing in and he is within reach of Israel Adsensya. One ting I noticed with Israel Adsensya is he is fast but his punching power is not enough to knock his opponents down. 4 of his 6 UFC wins came from Unanimous Decision.


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: TopTort777 on April 15, 2019, 11:10:17 AM
^  Just done watching the replay.  You could always download the torrent from TPB as a last resort.  Tho I would like everybody to know that I don't condone any form of digital piracy.  ;)

Anyway, AAAAWWWSSSOOOMMME MAIN EVENT!!! I can't say more except...  Welcome to LW Mr. Holloway, see you.  Bye!  :D

I personally don't like this UFC event. Almost no KO in the whole night. Watches both belts fight saying "when...when...when..." but both of them ended with decisions.


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: mich on April 15, 2019, 10:45:41 PM
What a outstanding performance by the young man "The Last Stylebender".
Can not go without saying congrads to Kelvin Gastelum who will be back and put on a good showing.
Israel 2.3 seems like a fairly nice pick for his next in Australia for "The Reaper".


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: bbc.reporter on April 16, 2019, 01:20:22 AM
I reckon Dana's new storyboard for the lightweight division would be Khabib versus Dustin and Tony Ferguson versus Justin Gaethje, and the winners of those 2 fights should be Khabib and Tony for the awaited superfight hehehe.

Also, one of the losers should fight Conor. I want Dustin versus Conor to rematch.


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: kenzawak on April 16, 2019, 04:04:55 PM
I really thought the judges would give it to Holloway at the end. I'm glad they didn't because Poirier deserved the win.
But damn... he should have finished that fight in round one or two. If he had had a decent ground game, it would have been over quickly.
After hitting the guy so many times in the face, just TAKE HIM DOWN !!!


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: tokeweed on April 16, 2019, 04:10:14 PM
What a outstanding performance by the young man "The Last Stylebender".
Can not go without saying congrads to Kelvin Gastelum who will be back and put on a good showing.
Israel 2.3 seems like a fairly nice pick for his next in Australia for "The Reaper".

Against Whitaker...?  Dunno.  It feels like it's gonna be close to a coin flip.  I'd happily take Whitaker as a slight underdog.  Let's hope the bookies get the lines wrong at open.  ;D

And still...  At a coin flip I'd still take Whitaker.


Title: Re: UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread
Post by: fudster on April 16, 2019, 04:19:00 PM


Poirier really exposes the weaker side of Holloway. Clearly he is outboxed, I was impressed how Holloway can take the punches, its like he doesn't realize where its coming from. The only fight that I did enjoy the most was that of Adesanya, I thought he is a goner already but came back with his striking. Its like the underdog won the biggest fight of his life.