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On telegram earlier, no one could remove the message from both sides. And if it could be removed from both side then it was only a few and most recent. But today I have seen that anyone can remove all the messages from both sides. So, if anyone makes any conversation on telegram regarding any transaction eg: trade, lending or something else try to make enough proof so that other person cant betray you and if betray then you may show the proof on the accusation. And if there is any suspicion or you think their might have any fault then you should avoid any discussion on the telegram.

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This is not a new feature, it was there from start and many people are already taking advantage of it to scam more users on telegram.

If a user deletes the sent message, you have some options to choose from:

1. Delete for Yourself
2. Delete for both (yourself and viewer)

If the user selects second one, it will delete the message for every one. The best solution is taking screenshot of the conversation if you find the person you are talking to is suspicious or risky. I always prefer taking screenshots if I trade through telegram.

The feature you mentioned has been here forever yes but not the ones Shasan mentioned where basically If I'm chatting with you, you could delete my own messages from both parties and not just yours.

Taking screenshots is not really that useful because one can always deny and say the pictures have been photoshopped. Exporting the chat history is also not useful because it will result into an HTML file that can be edited afterward. So, It's better to avoid Telegram or any other chat method really. Keep it to private messages in the forums.

Ok, I see this is a new feature. I literally tried it now. I didn't new that its possible to delete others messages too. That also looks pretty risky to deal with.

Also, taking screenshot would not help. I would too say its better avoiding telegram for deals.

I think It is one of the bad feature It will make a difference to many bad people Because they can scam very well from now on and there will be no evidence of this few days ago launch this service facebook, but it bad for all. But if they survive in the market then there will be a lot more to come Which will be far better than listening. ???


Edit:  telegram CEO now inactive He still does not say anything.

Well if you open a secret chat you can time bomb it for self destruction, so its more or less the same. But from a design perspective, it seems counter-intuitive that you can delete messages from others, to the other person too. Are you positive they are not just disappearing to you? Do they disappear to the other party? If so, that's definitely a design mistake. It has always been like that for a group admin which makes sense, but inside a PM who is the admin? both parties?

Well i guess you could make a client that saves everything and doesn't even honor the delete from remote part...

In that case if you think it is suspicious then before the other party able to remove the messages then you should take a screenshot as future proof if it happen. In short, you have to make a back up copy of everything you do in a transaction. Take this as an example, you bought bitcoin from that person but it seems suspicious then you can show proof that the other party want to take your money in exchange for nothing (like a bubble that you can only see it for a second and vanish into thin air).

The point is: don't do business on telegram.

Use telegram to contact folks, then carry your business out in some external platform. Use escrow or localbitcoins or something that maintains records.

Telegram isn't a trade app, it's a chat app.

A chat is supposed to lead you to a deal but not represent the deal itself. In real life do we just do deals based on chats or do we have contracts and actual papers? Why would online deals be any different?

Telegram is not so good for doing trades or any bussiness, users can change username when they want and also delete the messages, the only option i think is to bussiness there if possible recording a video when made a trade and this can be used for if someone say is not him doind trade, but always better use Escrow for doing trade. Any escrow from forum is good, but always message escrow here on forum before to be sure is the real one and not someone trying scam on telegram.

Telegram has made communication more private. Other than being able to delete private messages from both ends, there is also this feature where you can also control when your messages link back to your account if forwarded. https://t.me/telegram/106

Yes, this was launched about 2 years ago and this feature is only valid for 48 hours each message sent (CMIIW). Beyond that limit, the feature doesn't work.

I agree more with shasan's opinion that "Never have any deal in the telegram". Unless you've prepared a third party media to verify that produces evidence accurately.
48 hours is a long time even if you try to trap the scammers' actions, they will realize it faster.

Thanks for the heads up, I just try it and was thinking now to switch on other chat app whenever I have someone to deal with it.
I don't know what's got into the telegram team for putting this up, perhaps they aren't aware that their platform is being use in fraudulent activities.

If this will be the case, I'll create group chat since the update just work in private chat. lol!

Hey this is a feature I wasn’t aware of I do use telegram for few small trades, but I do it only with my regular traders as I have major trust issues. I feel this thread shall help many newbies and pros who use telegram for trades, and this feature will make telegram the home of scammers. I’m surprised that telegram has allowed this feature to exist, and I feel people are not aware of this cause once they become aware they’ll uninstall it.

I think people are already aware of this, a telegram is an easy to moderate conversation and both sides can delete their topic convo and also telegram is very well known now that most likely hackers and scammers are there fooling people. However, the telegram is a convenient way to have a conversation but that is the problem here you can't trust dealing anyone transactions to keep any record or documentation between convos unless if you always take a screenshot as a proof. I think not only in telegram even in discord you can delete convo both side.
Thanks to OP at least newbies are aware now on this.

Theo's features has been there ever since and the scammers have been taking advantage of them by deleting conversation from both that is the sender and the receiver that is why it advised that you always back up conversations for future references, and one way you can do that on both telegram and WhatsApp is by screenshot your conversations as it progress.

Yeah this is bad for doing transactions especially if transactions or negotiations will be done in telegram channel. This will definitely will be taken advantage on both parties. Telegram is one good chat services for cryptocurrency.

Anyway, thanks for this info mate. I will try to check later on if this really true for sometimes I am using telegram to do negotiations. So I must be careful for now.

Like who long have you been away from telegram social media. The deletion of message from both side has been on for some time now and even other social media platform like whatsapp does it as well.

FB also introduced this feature but you have to delete the message within few minutes from being sent.
I only use these platforms to stay updated about crypto news and projects I am interested in.
When it comes to concluding deals, I ask the other party to contact me via email.

Is this a new feature?didnt know that theres such though i feel safer because i never answered anyone who sends me private message and report instantly as spam
WEll thats the sad part since on those everything is editable so the issue can be denied at anytime
But most of the campaigns now requires joining telgram group,so better that keep safe in using and never entertain anyone in your inbox unless you are the one who started the conversation

You can export chat history and save it on your device at any time. Now if the addressee decides to delete the conversation in fear that it can be used as a proof against him in the future, you will still have a copy of it.

To export chat history: -select the conversation you want to archive
                                  -click the "thre vertical dots" button
                                  -click "Export chat history"
                                  -select which type of content you want to save and the path then click export.

I thank you because it is a very precious recommendation. However, I still thought of how about using Archive to store Telegram messages for later use if we think that those parts of chat is important.
Another issue, it is hard to prove that Telegram account is connected with forum user, so I think we should stick to official forum PMs for important deals.

The thing is that a lot of the times, this isn't applicable.

It's not always feasible to use an escrow in certain transactions, like giving out loans or whatnot, because the whole transaction is based on the receiver being able to access the funds now so that they can repay later.

Whilst it is questionable that this is allowed to happen at all on Telegram, I wouldn't say that it necessarily means that you need to avoid telegram for business dealings, especially when your contacts may already be established on that platform. Just make sure that you ask for a signed message, whether that be bitcoin/PGP/etc. and verify that signature before you agree to any deals, so that you can at least hold the counter party accountable.

Telegram was not really designed as a method for conducting business, and when people try to use it for this, they will encounter poor results.

If you wish to trade with someone, and are communicating on Telegram, you can negotiate the terms and conditions on Telegram, and finalize the terms on a platform where communications cannot easily be deleted. A superior way to finalize the terms of a transaction is for both parties to sign a statement outlining the expectations and obligations of each party that can be saved and easily independently verified by a third party in case of a dispute.

Honestly if you provide screenshot from telegram as a scam accusation evidence then its pretty much simple that scammer can make arguments easily. Its because of telegrams chat history handling system. Scammers will make statement that all the conversation is fake or made by Photoshop where he/she got the option to delete entire conversation. Basically we have nothing to do so far with telegrams chat system. Maybe we can expect several changes on their upcoming updates.

Its pretty much safer to use our forums existing chat (PM) system. IMO you can use it properly to make any business deal or payment where at least you got the chance to store all previous history.

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