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Title: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: EncryptKnomes on April 11, 2019, 08:53:09 AM
"Fiat-backed stablecoins are therefore rarely actual cryptocurrencies, which causes them to inherit their main characteristics and shortcomings from the centralised banking system. Ultimately, they function in the same manner as fiat, backed by what amounts to an IOU."

Danial Daychopan wrote a short article linked below that has got me thinking. Are stablecoins bad for the cryptocurrency ecosystem because they are essentially fiat in digital form, or are they beneficial as they provide stability in an extremely volatile market? Curious to hear your thoughts, give it a read and let me know your angle on it.

https://medium.com/@DDhopn/stablecoins-3b93b4f1ddc5


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: Haunebu on April 11, 2019, 12:13:47 PM
I honestly feel that stablecoins like Tether etc are indeed a necessary evil. They do pose problems for the cryptocurrency market(Tether controversy etc), but they will still be in demand as long as the market is extremely volatile.

Once the volatility lowers in the long term, the demand for these coins will most likely fall which is why they are a necessary evil at present.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: muslol67 on April 11, 2019, 12:21:16 PM
"Fiat-backed stablecoins are therefore rarely actual cryptocurrencies, which causes them to inherit their main characteristics and shortcomings from the centralised banking system. Ultimately, they function in the same manner as fiat, backed by what amounts to an IOU."

Danial Daychopan wrote a short article linked below that has got me thinking. Are stablecoins bad for the cryptocurrency ecosystem because they are essentially fiat in digital form, or are they beneficial as they provide stability in an extremely volatile market? Curious to hear your thoughts, give it a read and let me know your angle on it.

https://medium.com/@DDhopn/stablecoins-3b93b4f1ddc5

In the beginning there was only Tether. And it was enough for everyone. As you already know, the bull from 2017 was also very effective. But the obvious mistakes they made came here. Today, the number of stablecoins on the market is increasing day by day and I am not sure how much they are necessary anymore.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: spadormie on April 11, 2019, 12:50:44 PM
I honestly feel that stablecoins like Tether etc are indeed a necessary evil. They do pose problems for the cryptocurrency market(Tether controversy etc), but they will still be in demand as long as the market is extremely volatile.

Once the volatility lowers in the long term, the demand for these coins will most likely fall which is why they are a necessary evil at present.
Necessary evil because of controversy but necessary for us to be safe on our trades. It is a safe-haven for our trades. Since they are stable, if we are on loss we can simply put our btc on tether in order for us to be safe on the continuous downfall.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: r1s2g3 on April 11, 2019, 01:34:02 PM
If they are giving protection against volatility, They are helping to increase liquidity then I do not think terming them "evil" is correct.
I do not think our dependence on them is going to reduce because market will not like to reduce the liquidity.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: Perunex on April 11, 2019, 01:49:43 PM
They are good for the market atm. They give some stability on this volatile market af. Atm, of course as the market is still very much immature and at early stage. Once the market develops and one other actual cryptocurrency (probably BTC) develops in a way that it will be big enough to be stable, then we will have no need for stablecoins.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: Zadicar on April 11, 2019, 02:03:59 PM
"Fiat-backed stablecoins are therefore rarely actual cryptocurrencies, which causes them to inherit their main characteristics and shortcomings from the centralised banking system. Ultimately, they function in the same manner as fiat, backed by what amounts to an IOU."

Danial Daychopan wrote a short article linked below that has got me thinking. Are stablecoins bad for the cryptocurrency ecosystem because they are essentially fiat in digital form, or are they beneficial as they provide stability in an extremely volatile market? Curious to hear your thoughts, give it a read and let me know your angle on it.

https://medium.com/@DDhopn/stablecoins-3b93b4f1ddc5

In the beginning there was only Tether. And it was enough for everyone. As you already know, the bull from 2017 was also very effective. But the obvious mistakes they made came here. Today, the number of stablecoins on the market is increasing day by day and I am not sure how much they are necessary anymore.
Tether is already enough and considerable but when another stablecoins out in the market it already pisses me and questioning why these coins popping out yet
it isnt really necessary for them to be used. One stable coin is enough but more than that has no sense at all.Stable coins might oppose or fully contradict crypto system but we cant
deny on the fact that this coins are useful for fast conversion to secure out or save out yourself from volatility.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: mk4 on April 11, 2019, 02:10:10 PM
It depends. There's this stablecoin, DAI, from the MakerDAO platform, that isn't backed by fiat, but is actually backed by ETH(and will have an option to be backed by BTC in the future). Tether(USDT) though? Well, that's another topic. We really don't know for sure if USDT is actually really backed by fiat in banks; which is very scary in my opinion, as they can definitely easily abuse their power.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: shield132 on April 11, 2019, 02:16:03 PM
To my mind stablecoins are good at some point, for example imagine Monero with stable price. This way you won't have to worry on price movement if anonimity and privacy is important for you rather than profit from holding/trading cryptocurrencies. This means you have analogue of usd but with crypto opportunities, doesn't sound bad to my mind. I don't talk about tether and etc.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: pawanjain on April 11, 2019, 02:34:49 PM
"Fiat-backed stablecoins are therefore rarely actual cryptocurrencies, which causes them to inherit their main characteristics and shortcomings from the centralised banking system. Ultimately, they function in the same manner as fiat, backed by what amounts to an IOU."

Danial Daychopan wrote a short article linked below that has got me thinking. Are stablecoins bad for the cryptocurrency ecosystem because they are essentially fiat in digital form, or are they beneficial as they provide stability in an extremely volatile market? Curious to hear your thoughts, give it a read and let me know your angle on it.

https://medium.com/@DDhopn/stablecoins-3b93b4f1ddc5
If we see it from this perspective then I guess stable coins are necessary to be present in the crypto market. Just think about it in this way, when the market is too volatile and the prices are going down, you will need a stable coin to save your investment because if the coin is not stable then your portfolio will have significant decrease anyway. So in order to keep the investment safe we do need stable coins like tether which are backed by fiat currencies.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: talkbitcoin on April 11, 2019, 02:48:50 PM
Stablecoins are necessary but only if they were decentralized. we are in a decentralized world after all and we should avoid any kind of centralization in this world which will include using centralized altcoins, stable coins, exchanges, wallets, payment processors,... so far we have alternative to all of these that are decentralized too but people have to always get bitten and lose a lot of money in the centralized sector before they start looking for a solution. which is why centralized things are still at large!


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: dothebeats on April 11, 2019, 02:57:39 PM
It's a compromise traders have to agree with in order to safeguard their assets if they want to spend a day or two not doing anything or transferring funds in between exchanges/platforms. The controversy only arose since Tether cannot really show its assets amounting to every USDT they have printed, and so some people have questioned whether they are being true to their claims or not. I don't think stablecoins are really a necessity in the whole of cryptomarket, but rather an optional feature/token that people can use if they want a temporary hedge against the market's volatility.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: xWolfx on April 11, 2019, 03:04:44 PM
I honestly feel that stablecoins like Tether etc are indeed a necessary evil. They do pose problems for the cryptocurrency market(Tether controversy etc), but they will still be in demand as long as the market is extremely volatile.

Once the volatility lowers in the long term, the demand for these coins will most likely fall which is why they are a necessary evil at present.

I disagree. People can release all the coins they want obvious but they are not really necessary at least from a progressive point of view more than an economic/profit/greed one.

Bitcoin will be stable in the future too, but a long time is still ahead of us for that to happen. They are not necessary at all. Now, the people who want to profit from them i wish them luck, i hope it goes well. For my part i won't invest in them in the future.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: Pursuer on April 11, 2019, 03:06:06 PM
"Fiat-backed stablecoins are therefore rarely actual cryptocurrencies, which causes them to inherit their main characteristics and shortcomings from the centralised banking system. Ultimately, they function in the same manner as fiat, backed by what amounts to an IOU."
I disagree, they don't function similar to fiat at all!
while fiat is being printed by the government and banks and they run the show, that gives fiat a very good level of security. for example if you are using USD you know that tomorrow morning USD is not going to be wiped off the face of the earth.
in comparison centralized stablecoins are controlled by a company that may not even be legal not to mention that when they "print money" it is not allowed in most countries around the world. so you can and probably will wake up one morning to see them disappear. that means they are not secure at all.

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Danial Daychopan wrote a short article linked below that has got me thinking. Are stablecoins bad for the cryptocurrency ecosystem because they are essentially fiat in digital form, or are they beneficial as they provide stability in an extremely volatile market? Curious to hear your thoughts, give it a read and let me know your angle on it.
no they are bad because they are centralized. if they were decentralized then it was an entirely different story.
as for their benefits, if you are only using them for trading for example to transfer funds from one exchange to another with a lower fee compared to transferring fiat, or if you are using them in an exchange that  does not have fiat market but you want to temporarily exit that coin and go to a fiat like coin that keeps its value then they are good but other than that usage of them is a very bad idea.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: okala on April 11, 2019, 03:16:53 PM
I prefer security tokens to stable coins because of the involvement of the centralized financial institutions in the operation of the stablecoin, and at that the stable coin will not offer any thing new from the traditional centralized mode operation which lack anonymous and decentralization/ freedom from third party involvement from either the bank or government.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: manok jepang on April 11, 2019, 03:19:04 PM
This is where stablecoin plays a role, Stablecoin cryptocurrency that gets more appeal has a much more stable value than normal cryptocurrency. This is because the value is pegged to other assets such as US dollars or gold. Stablecoin on the other hand, utilizes the benefits of cryptocurrency such as transparency, security, eternity, digital wallet, fast transactions, low costs, and privacy without losing the guarantee of trust and stability that comes using fiat (such as US) dollars or Euros.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: maianh09 on April 11, 2019, 03:24:22 PM
Stablecoins attracted a lot of investor interest because of its stability as FIAT and received support from FIAT. But if Stablecoins don't have big exchange floors and attract investors, it will become Shitcoin, and the price will fall sharply.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: Artemis3 on April 11, 2019, 03:33:31 PM
I honestly feel that stablecoins like Tether etc are indeed a necessary evil. They do pose problems for the cryptocurrency market(Tether controversy etc), but they will still be in demand as long as the market is extremely volatile.

Once the volatility lowers in the long term, the demand for these coins will most likely fall which is why they are a necessary evil at present.

They are especially useful if you live in a country where you don't get free access to those fiat currencies which is nearly none in this world, but for those unfortunate souls that have to live under the oppression of a socialist economy, they are indeed quite useful, if only for trading inside an exchange.

Ironically i have found them unsuitable for normal coin use, what with them needing a second crypto just to pay fees. Most of them need to pay tx fees in Etherereum, which is a big letdown for regular use.

I mean, if you are going to bother having to fill your wallet with both Ethereum and, say, usdc, why not just stick to ETH alone? Sure its safer to use someone else's big blockchain, but you must admit its a major inconvenience, unless you went and teach everyone how to use a token with its parent coin; or worse, tell them to use the online wallet of an exchange that "magically" hides these fees (in another coin) from them.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: gentlemand on April 11, 2019, 03:48:16 PM
No.

They either turn out in two versions - total obfuscation like Tether where we have no idea whether there's any actual money behind them, or you have the legitimised ones that are so uptight they'll cut you off from your ability to redeem them if they think you've been spotted on Chaturbate.

If you want to park money in a stable form go to an exchange with real fiat and park it there. There's plenty of them and the barriers to entry are no higher than alt only places.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: mk4 on April 11, 2019, 03:54:35 PM
No.

They either turn out in two versions - total obfuscation like Tether where we have no idea whether there's any actual money behind them, or you have the legitimised ones that are so uptight they'll cut you off from your ability to redeem them if they think you've been spotted on Chaturbate.

If you want to park money in a stable form go to an exchange with real fiat and park it there. There's plenty of them.


I think one of the reasons why people use stablecoins instead of exchanging to fiat on exchanges is that it's either:

  • They don't trust their local currency
  • They don't trust the exchange

And I really can't blame them to be honest; due to the lots of exchanges fiascos in the past. Though I'm really not sure if storing your money on stablecoins is any better. Personally though, I'd rather leave my money on DAI(a lesser known stablecoin); even though the price is fluctuating a lot between $.97-1.01. Which is a downside I'm willing to take compared to holding the more centralized stablecoins like USDT. I know a good number of people will disagree with me, but yea.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: gentlemand on April 11, 2019, 04:00:29 PM
I think one of the reasons why people use stablecoins instead of exchanging to fiat on exchanges is that it's either:

  • They don't trust their local currency
  • They don't trust the exchange

Kraken only rejects residents of these countries - Afghanistan, Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Japan, North Korea, Tajikistan.

They have real Euros and a perfect security record so far. I have no idea why anyone would choose some fuckhole with potentially non existent money over that. I'd rather take the hit on exchanging whatever alt to something I can sell into EUR on Kraken rather than stay put in USDT for any period of time.

Maybe I'd do it for a few hours but if I was sitting out an apocalypse no way would I take the risk.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: Irvinn on April 11, 2019, 04:29:04 PM
I do not consider stable coins to be evil in any form. Stable coins are very necessary for us, because they serve the activity of a real cryptocurrency. In fact, stable coins are not full-fledged cryptocurrency, they have only a cryptocurrency shell, but in fact they are a digital copy of the currency of a particular state that they represent.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: mk4 on April 11, 2019, 04:37:37 PM
They have real Euros and a perfect security record so far. I have no idea why anyone would choose some fuckhole with potentially non existent money over that. I'd rather take the hit on exchanging whatever alt to something I can sell into EUR on Kraken rather than stay put in USDT for any period of time.

I don't know either. But I assume the reason why they trust USDT so much is that it ran fine for years, with a bit of price hiccups here and there. Not to mention that some people might actually think they're holding actual USD. Don't underestimate ignorance I guess. 🤷‍♂️


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: antisocial77 on April 11, 2019, 04:40:37 PM
i never understand those stablecoins.how come their price are not equal to usd?and another thing is they cause to inflation.i dont see any good effect to market.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: South Park on April 11, 2019, 09:16:44 PM
"Fiat-backed stablecoins are therefore rarely actual cryptocurrencies, which causes them to inherit their main characteristics and shortcomings from the centralised banking system. Ultimately, they function in the same manner as fiat, backed by what amounts to an IOU."

Danial Daychopan wrote a short article linked below that has got me thinking. Are stablecoins bad for the cryptocurrency ecosystem because they are essentially fiat in digital form, or are they beneficial as they provide stability in an extremely volatile market? Curious to hear your thoughts, give it a read and let me know your angle on it.

https://medium.com/@DDhopn/stablecoins-3b93b4f1ddc5
Whether we like them or not it was inevitable that stable coins will appear, if you are a trader and you want to get out of the market because you think it is going to go down your only option before was to sell your coins for fiat and this was a huge problem for those that wanted to retain their privacy because now they will need to go through KYC, but now stable coins offer you the possibility to get out of the market without getting out of the market.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: EncryptKnomes on April 12, 2019, 08:50:45 AM
I do not consider stable coins to be evil in any form. Stable coins are very necessary for us, because they serve the activity of a real cryptocurrency. In fact, stable coins are not full-fledged cryptocurrency, they have only a cryptocurrency shell, but in fact they are a digital copy of the currency of a particular state that they represent.

Agreed, an important difference to note. However, the article is saying that means they are inheriting many of the negative attributes of regular fiat currency which could be bad for the crypto ecosystem as a whole.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: cribusen on April 12, 2019, 11:15:24 AM
They are not evil, we really need some stable coins on this market. It is a pretty great thing if you want to stay out of the market, but you need you funds to be ready to invest directly from an exchange. The only thing I do not get, do we really need 10 stable coins?


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: EncryptKnomes on April 12, 2019, 11:54:03 AM
They are not evil, we really need some stable coins on this market. It is a pretty great thing if you want to stay out of the market, but you need you funds to be ready to invest directly from an exchange. The only thing I do not get, do we really need 10 stable coins?

I agree stablecoins are necessary, but are they actually backed by the dollar and stable?


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: jan.nicolas on April 12, 2019, 03:05:05 PM
I think that this is so. And they really pose a threat, because stable Coins in general are not related to cryptocurrencies, which are limited. This needs to be understood and that is exactly what separates cryptocurrencies from fiat money.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: sockpuppet1911 on April 12, 2019, 03:09:22 PM
Evil is a strong, subjective word. They are just an assets trading on the same exchanges as cryptos. They are not cryptocurrencies but they obviously have their use cases, otherwise they would not be needed.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: HodlChampion on April 12, 2019, 03:50:37 PM

Very interesting article, and I completely agree that they are necessary for the growth of the cryptocurrency ecosystem, despite potentially being the crypto equivalent of the federal reserve bank.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: elitemobb on April 12, 2019, 03:59:53 PM
I do not see anything wrong with stable coins as the market attracts a lot of investment due to them. This type of tokens is created so that you can fix your capital and not be afraid for it.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: nikola22 on April 12, 2019, 04:08:46 PM
stablecoins are not an evil but a tool for crypto/fiat transfers and there is no danger from them for traditional cryptocurrencies.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: Adriano2010 on April 12, 2019, 04:11:33 PM
I think people still need stablecoins to hold their money on before and buy with after crypto coins, because is better to hold money on stable, not 100% safe, maybe in future something will happen and stablecoins will die, who know.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: boazsalosa on April 12, 2019, 04:18:15 PM
They have real Euros and a perfect security record so far. I have no idea why anyone would choose some fuckhole with potentially non existent money over that. I'd rather take the hit on exchanging whatever alt to something I can sell into EUR on Kraken rather than stay put in USDT for any period of time.

I don't know either. But I assume the reason why they trust USDT so much is that it ran fine for years, with a bit of price hiccups here and there. Not to mention that some people might actually think they're holding actual USD. Don't underestimate ignorance I guess. 🤷‍♂️

Holding USDT is the same as holding real money so they will be more trusting it is compared to altcoins who have good potential, so they don't underestimate anything.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: Febo on April 12, 2019, 04:26:07 PM
"Fiat-backed stablecoins are therefore rarely actual cryptocurrencies, which causes them to inherit their main characteristics and shortcomings from the centralised banking system. Ultimately, they function in the same manner as fiat, backed by what amounts to an IOU."

Danial Daychopan wrote a short article linked below that has got me thinking. Are stablecoins bad for the cryptocurrency ecosystem because they are essentially fiat in digital form, or are they beneficial as they provide stability in an extremely volatile market? Curious to hear your thoughts, give it a read and let me know your angle on it.

https://medium.com/@DDhopn/stablecoins-3b93b4f1ddc5


Any crypto asset backed with a physical item is tricky thing. No one grantee o you that that item really exist. or that you will really get it when you will want to redeem it.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: pushups44 on April 12, 2019, 04:26:32 PM
What I don't understand about the cryptocurrency space is why people have an either/or mindset. You cannot have decentralization everywhere - if you are an intruder I will neutralize you on my property - acting as a centralizing agent within my space. I will expect central authorities to be in charge of things around my community or county. I expect central authorities to be involved in the computer made for me - at an organizational level - to type on now. NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE DECENTRALIZED.

Similarly, not all currencies have to be decentralized. We can have decentralized and centralized cryptos working together.



Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: pushups44 on April 12, 2019, 04:30:31 PM
To use an analogy, imagine the wheel. The wheel was important for civilization and advantages in war. Now imagine crowds awestruck by the wheel insisting everything has to be round. "Why are you using arrows? They are not shaped like the wheel!" "Why are you using bricks for the house? They are not shaped like the wheel!"

Well, the wheel has a specific purpose. The wheel is not for everything.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: bitcoin-shark on April 12, 2019, 05:22:05 PM

unfortunately the stablecoin are obligatory with this market too variable, i use them to get out from the altcoin at the end of the evening, at the end of the day trading...


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: zhekinsp on April 12, 2019, 05:47:17 PM
It is completely against the crypto currencies but it is good thing for traders,so these coins can never be used for holding long term.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: playboy654 on April 12, 2019, 05:57:02 PM
I think the competition is important here so when stable coins are not here in our society there will be no development up with the cryptocurrencies happen in the current situation both are very important for the people to make their life peaceful.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: Snaic on April 12, 2019, 06:32:35 PM
They are not evil, we really need some stable coins on this market. It is a pretty great thing if you want to stay out of the market, but you need you funds to be ready to invest directly from an exchange. The only thing I do not get, do we really need 10 stable coins?
Stable coins, of course, are very useful for working with our cryptocurrency. It would even be very good if we had stable coins linked to our national currencies, and not only to the currencies of the main world states. Today, using cryptocurrency for ordinary people is still difficult and stable coins, along with other functions, can partially solve this problem.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: DeadCoin on April 12, 2019, 07:57:27 PM
If you deep drive, stable coins are the ones investors look at always when investing on other coin with more fluctuations. Its anther best choice to increase the profit as well. When the value goes up and you sell the altcoin into USDT, and the value goes down. Here you are safe and you can buy the same altcoin bit more. 


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: mrdeposit on April 12, 2019, 09:44:29 PM
They are not evil, we really need some stable coins on this market. It is a pretty great thing if you want to stay out of the market, but you need you funds to be ready to invest directly from an exchange. The only thing I do not get, do we really need 10 stable coins?
Stable coins, of course, are very useful for working with our cryptocurrency. It would even be very good if we had stable coins linked to our national currencies, and not only to the currencies of the main world states. Today, using cryptocurrency for ordinary people is still difficult and stable coins, along with other functions, can partially solve this problem.
If the stable coins were not useful, I guess would not be as much volume (look tether). On the other hand, there is also possibility that they may be scam, and the majority is afraid.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: ataki on April 12, 2019, 11:04:31 PM
If we want mass adoption and  this is what we aim for then stable coins are a necessary evil. How could merchants deal with a volatile crypto coin which can lose 50% from it`s value a day. Merchants cannot accept that risk in real economy.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: misterjo on April 12, 2019, 11:12:37 PM
pitifully they are necessary !, but tether should leave the market, there are other more transparent establishments like TrueUSD ... although the coins backed with fiat money is not the best! (it is as if it were the gold backed dollar), if the fiat begins to disappear, will they remove that support and print coins in an unlimited way? Is the story going to be repeated? ... I think a stablecoin backed by cryptocurrencies is better (it can be in bitcoin or another strong crypto) and that it can be verified in the blockchain


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: jdarren on April 13, 2019, 12:28:12 AM
I think they are worth having right now especailly as we transition from fiat to crypto entirely. We've seen it as more people are getting paid in strictly crypto what happens over time


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: DeathProxy on April 13, 2019, 01:16:59 AM
 they might be a necessary evil  but for now they are good because of volatility.  The volatile nature of the market now has made it necessary that you trade qnd store your crypto asest using stable coin


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: EncryptKnomes on April 15, 2019, 04:05:59 PM
pitifully they are necessary !, but tether should leave the market, there are other more transparent establishments like TrueUSD ... although the coins backed with fiat money is not the best! (it is as if it were the gold backed dollar), if the fiat begins to disappear, will they remove that support and print coins in an unlimited way? Is the story going to be repeated? ... I think a stablecoin backed by cryptocurrencies is better (it can be in bitcoin or another strong crypto) and that it can be verified in the blockchain

A gold-backed stablecoin would be amazing


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: MoonProjects on April 16, 2019, 02:29:13 PM
Unfortunately, I can't imagine Bitcoin ever becoming stable enough to warrant stablecoins useless, not for the foreseeable future anyway.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: Nasonn on April 16, 2019, 02:33:57 PM
I don't want to imagine crypto market without stable coins. It is very necessary because of market volatility, it helps traders maintain their capital during a sudden market dump.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: South Park on April 18, 2019, 08:18:56 PM

unfortunately the stablecoin are obligatory with this market too variable, i use them to get out from the altcoin at the end of the evening, at the end of the day trading...
Which is the way stable coins should be used, holding those coins for the long term is the same as holding fiat and unless the currency of your country is doing very badly then there is not a reason to hold those coins for the long term, but when we consider the volatility of the market and the amount of money that you can lose by simply being away from your screen monitor in an hour then it is easy to see why stable coins perform a necessary job for many traders around the world.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: abake on April 18, 2019, 08:25:22 PM
I'm a trader and I keep telling people, stable coins are very important in this space especially for traders like me. Sometimes you just have to convert to USDT or TUSDT when you suspect there'll be a downtrend per say. I understand there are so many concerns about stable coins, but for me, it's OK.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: Myraidcoins on April 18, 2019, 08:27:46 PM
I do not think that stablecoins is evil. I think that steyblecoiny is convenient and the development of stablecoins who can be trusted is very important for the market.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: minersday on April 18, 2019, 10:46:17 PM
Stablecoins are really needed in the crypto space to help be this ecosystem balanced.  They usually serve as the best option for other cryptocurencies to be paired with to help reduce the volatile nature of that crypto coin. But in my own opinion, i think stablecoins are the real definition of digital currencies. They are not volatile and constantly have a fixed market value.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: JeffBrad12 on April 18, 2019, 10:59:15 PM
They are not evil, we really need some stable coins on this market. It is a pretty great thing if you want to stay out of the market, but you need you funds to be ready to invest directly from an exchange. The only thing I do not get, do we really need 10 stable coins?
Stable coins, of course, are very useful for working with our cryptocurrency. It would even be very good if we had stable coins linked to our national currencies, and not only to the currencies of the main world states. Today, using cryptocurrency for ordinary people is still difficult and stable coins, along with other functions, can partially solve this problem.
If the stable coins were not useful, I guess would not be as much volume (look tether). On the other hand, there is also possibility that they may be scam, and the majority is afraid.
But tether has a lot of possibilities to become a scam consider about there was no real result for the audit to the reserved funds of tether itself. Majority of the stable coin gets manipulation by the creator and tether could be the best example to tell everyone about how it works.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: george_hured on April 19, 2019, 07:49:57 AM
The main idea of ​​that today, the fixing of the deposit is the main reason for the existence of all these stable tokens. I think, and I hope that all the same, fixing the deposit will not be the last operation.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: craslovell on April 20, 2019, 02:34:01 AM
With the current volatile and young state of the crypto market, yes they are. However I believe stablecoins are something we'll outgrow with enough time. Need that paradigm shift to occur!


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: mmo4me.2016 on April 20, 2019, 05:04:19 AM
Stablecoins are still a safe place for investors when the market is volatile and no investment decision is made yet! Everything is risky, but the possibility of stablecoins in the short term is quite low!


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: Indrawan77 on April 20, 2019, 05:21:13 AM
I think stable coin doesn't got the same idea with Satoshi and it kind of ruin the decentralised feature, but the investors and traders need those coins, when the market is bad the investors like to keep their coin into stable coin form and the traders need stable coin for the trade pairing, so although it tainted the crypto idea it proved that its a very useful coin


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: TheHas on April 20, 2019, 05:35:54 AM
I don't see why they are evil, but they are necessary.

They can help with shorting crypto, or purchasing to account for volatility.

Eventually, you might not even want to have a stablecoins pegged to USD or another fiat. If you prefer, you could have a stablecoin pegged to the price of gold or silver if you don't like the idea of crypto still relying on fiat as the benchmark for value or stability.

I actually think a stablecoin pegged to gold or another auditable product like that could be really useful.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: bitcoinikdotcom on April 20, 2019, 05:36:31 AM
Stable coins like Tether (USDT) are necessary for the crypto market. Stable coins provide easy and negligible fee (as compared to fiat) to transfer between different exchange and wallets. Good stable coins are hard to manipulate and remain equivalent to 1 USD maximum times. Stable coins play an important role in the upcoming bull run and mass adoption.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: Wayan_Pedjeng on April 20, 2019, 06:24:24 AM
Although I don't like the concept of stablecoins, I don't want to demonize them. Since BTC and the other cryptos are highly volatile, some of the users might be tempted to convert at least a part of their holdings to Stablecoins such as USDT. And this situation will remain the same as long as the crypto market remains volatile.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: TheClownSong on April 20, 2019, 07:13:46 AM
Although I don't like the concept of stablecoins, I don't want to demonize them. Since BTC and the other cryptos are highly volatile, some of the users might be tempted to convert at least a part of their holdings to Stablecoins such as USDT. And this situation will remain the same as long as the crypto market remains volatile.
I think stablecoin needed to measure the value of bitcoin. Beside that, daily traders must be need stablecoin to convert their asset in fiat when bear market. I dont think crypto will replace US Dollar or fiat money because we are living with government and every people trust on government money


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: harrypotpot on April 20, 2019, 08:00:52 AM
"Fiat-backed stablecoins are therefore rarely actual cryptocurrencies, which causes them to inherit their main characteristics and shortcomings from the centralised banking system. Ultimately, they function in the same manner as fiat, backed by what amounts to an IOU."

Danial Daychopan wrote a short article linked below that has got me thinking. Are stablecoins bad for the cryptocurrency ecosystem because they are essentially fiat in digital form, or are they beneficial as they provide stability in an extremely volatile market? Curious to hear your thoughts, give it a read and let me know your angle on it.

https://medium.com/@DDhopn/stablecoins-3b93b4f1ddc5

I think its ironic to say, "necessary-evil" let us focus on saying, stable coins are savior in my opinion. Not considering the fact that these stable coins are better in business and investments. I am just using it to save my profit on a downfall of my altcoins. As simple as that.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: OLDARH on April 22, 2019, 11:12:40 AM
In order to successfully track and predict the rates of many altcoins, a binding to any coordinate system is necessary.
Bitcoin is often the starting point.
But the thing is that it often has very high volatility and that is why stable coins are necessary in order to track the fluctuations in the rate of the Bitcoin itself, without resorting to direct binding of cryptocurrency to FIAT.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: South Park on April 24, 2019, 07:06:06 PM
I don't see why they are evil, but they are necessary.

They can help with shorting crypto, or purchasing to account for volatility.

Eventually, you might not even want to have a stablecoins pegged to USD or another fiat. If you prefer, you could have a stablecoin pegged to the price of gold or silver if you don't like the idea of crypto still relying on fiat as the benchmark for value or stability.

I actually think a stablecoin pegged to gold or another auditable product like that could be really useful.
That is a nice idea and something I would like to see but there have been many attempts to try this in the past and all of those attempts ended in a scam so it is understandable why many people do not really trust in the possibility of that happening in the future, however stable coins backed by fiat are good enough in my opinion even if there have been some controversies about whether or not those coins are actually backed by the amount of dollars their developers claim.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: DeadCoin on April 25, 2019, 09:07:01 PM
If you deeply look into, stable coins are the ones investors look at always when investing on other coin with more fluctuations. Its another best choice to increase the profit . When the value goes up and you sell the altcoin into USDT, and the value goes down. Then with the USDT earned, you can very well buy more coins with what you have. 


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: cryptowolfsu on April 25, 2019, 11:48:33 PM


They are needed for trading and  for mass adoption of crypto as merchants do not want to deal with
volatile coins. Stable coins are needed, but what I do not like that most of them is centralized.
Would like to see more decentralized solutions like DAI


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: Gary Levanevskii on April 25, 2019, 11:55:20 PM
Every day, more and more stablecoins are being created. I think many of them cannot be trusted. It will be very bad if it adversely affects the market.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: lobat999 on April 26, 2019, 01:50:02 AM
I still regard stable coins as a joke to cryptocurrency world. Just recently a scandal broke out involving Tether and Bitfinex which could be the reason for today's price of BTC in a sudden plunge. Here is the news about it. - https://www.wsj.com/articles/bitfinex-used-tether-reserves-to-mask-missing-850-million-probe-finds-11556227031 and I think it could send crypto prices downward for a couple of days until it will become stabilized or resolved.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: glendall on April 26, 2019, 03:34:29 AM
actually the existence of a coin stable really helps a trader or a holder to secure his assets.
but what I don't like, a lot of stable coins have appeared, this should be a problem,
I think 1 to 2 stable coins is enough,
but this is just my opinion.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: julius caesar on April 26, 2019, 04:51:40 AM
If they are giving protection against volatility, They are helping to increase liquidity then I do not think terming them "evil" is correct.
I do not think our dependence on them is going to reduce because market will not like to reduce the liquidity.

I think that is because, they are promoting large business and to invite big businessman here on the cryptocurrency space? Because if we are going to look at the situation, when investors think about a stable market price, they might buy and accumulate huge amount of it. Disregarding other crypto's leaving behind.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: GreatArkansas on April 26, 2019, 05:06:02 AM
For what I observed, stable coins are very helpful for mass adoption for cryptocurrency. Since, some new people will try to use those stable coins to buy crypto, such as Bitcoin. And it is the best on stable coins are backed up with currency like USD, AFAIK, like USDT is backed up on USD. Since last year, a lot of stable coins are popping out.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: corrado25 on April 26, 2019, 05:14:40 AM
I will not be precise to say that stablecoins are evil but if they are really not backed up by dollars then that's very bad. personally, I do not hold stablecoins because any news is negative about that stablecoin is not backed up by a real dollar leading to panic and falling prices. although I like that for example, usdt can be translated between exchanges


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: veraro on April 26, 2019, 06:20:16 AM
I believe stablecoins is necessary. It is allow traders and people who invest in crypto save their funds. It is good for market actually. But i am not sure is it necessary to exist that much stablecoins as now. May be after selection in the end there leave only few the best.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: lobat999 on April 26, 2019, 06:21:12 AM
For what I observed, stable coins are very helpful for mass adoption for cryptocurrency. Since, some new people will try to use those stable coins to buy crypto, such as Bitcoin. And it is the best on stable coins are backed up with currency like USD, AFAIK, like USDT is backed up on USD. Since last year, a lot of stable coins are popping out.

Ideally, stablecoins should serve on that purpose and I agree with what you've mentioned but its a bit ironic now that a well known stablecoin such as Tether turns out to be unstable at all and all its outstanding purpose seems to have been compromised and was easily manipulated unbeknownst to the crypto community. I may not be surprised at all if there will be another issue that will surface involving another stablecoin soon though I hope I'm wrong with that. :)


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: Bitfling on April 26, 2019, 06:46:13 AM
For what I observed, stable coins are very helpful for mass adoption for cryptocurrency. Since, some new people will try to use those stable coins to buy crypto, such as Bitcoin. And it is the best on stable coins are backed up with currency like USD, AFAIK, like USDT is backed up on USD. Since last year, a lot of stable coins are popping out.

Ideally, stablecoins should serve on that purpose and I agree with what you've mentioned but its a bit ironic now that a well known stablecoin such as Tether turns out to be unstable at all and all its outstanding purpose seems to have been compromised and was easily manipulated unbeknownst to the crypto community. I may not be surprised at all if there will be another issue that will surface involving another stablecoin soon though I hope I'm wrong with that. :)

Stablecoin should be used for trading purpose. But if stablecoin can used for withdrawal to the banks, i think its getting more better. Tether price unstable because investor dont trust on the audit and i think tether should be transparant to keep investor trust.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: jrrsparkles on April 26, 2019, 07:22:58 AM
Literally they were just useless since we already have fiat money in the digital for so having virtual centralized currency is also just same as those but it is more worse to hold stable coins which is created by someone rather than banks or you government.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: South Park on April 26, 2019, 04:45:46 PM
Literally they were just useless since we already have fiat money in the digital for so having virtual centralized currency is also just same as those but it is more worse to hold stable coins which is created by someone rather than banks or you government.
If you do not like stable coins that is fine since no one is going to force you to use them but they are far away from being useless, their main use is to allow the users of cryptocurrencies to get a form of fiat that is easy to convert back and forth without incurring huge fees or having to give explanations to your bank about where you got your money, since there have been many instances in the past in which as soon as a bank found out of your operations with cryptocurrencies they will cancel your account.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: catsmile on April 26, 2019, 04:59:12 PM
"Fiat-backed stablecoins are therefore rarely actual cryptocurrencies, which causes them to inherit their main characteristics and shortcomings from the centralised banking system. Ultimately, they function in the same manner as fiat, backed by what amounts to an IOU."

Danial Daychopan wrote a short article linked below that has got me thinking. Are stablecoins bad for the cryptocurrency ecosystem because they are essentially fiat in digital form, or are they beneficial as they provide stability in an extremely volatile market? Curious to hear your thoughts, give it a read and let me know your angle on it.

https://medium.com/@DDhopn/stablecoins-3b93b4f1ddc5

Personally, I find this really a lack of stable coins. They need to be upgraded and overcome, I think. However, they help people feel easier when joining crypto world. That's why it is both necessary and dangerous.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: jacafbiz on April 26, 2019, 05:00:24 PM
For me, i think people fail to give these stable coins the credits they deserve, they have done well for the space, look at BTC for example people lost millions investing into it but no one in their right sense criticize it for being rubbish or nothing, but something that give you guarantee on your money is painted black, do you know how much is charge to get in and out of crypto using credit cards


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: jigawagawa on April 26, 2019, 05:34:50 PM
As far as cryptocurrencies are concerned, I think they are needed, because most businesses lthat have their platforms platforms integrated to blockchain love to convert their proceeds to stable coins in order to avoid the aftermath of the high level of volatility experienced in the space


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: prof7bit on April 26, 2019, 06:10:27 PM
For me, i think people fail to give these stable coins the credits they deserve, they have done well for the space, look at BTC for example people lost millions investing into it but no one in their right sense criticize it for being rubbish or nothing, but something that give you guarantee on your money is painted black, do you know how much is charge to get in and out of crypto using credit cards
I am not a supporter of moving capital into stable coins. For me, Bitcoin itself serves as a very stable and liquid coin! I believe only in Bitcoin!


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: e@symode on April 26, 2019, 07:21:58 PM
For traders, this is the only way not to use cryptocurrencies. You understand what exactly so today people try to use stable tokens. Who knows how stable they are? Probably no one will ever know.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: BlueStackz on April 27, 2019, 07:17:34 PM
If they are giving protection against volatility, They are helping to increase liquidity then I do not think terming them "evil" is correct.
I do not think our dependence on them is going to reduce because market will not like to reduce the liquidity.

I think that is because, they are promoting large business and to invite big businessman here on the cryptocurrency space? Because if we are going to look at the situation, when investors think about a stable market price, they might buy and accumulate huge amount of it. Disregarding other crypto's leaving behind.
I think the existence of stable coins in the market has been of great influence as regards creating awareness and making the crypto space easier for these business men to operate. If we look at the cryptocurrency world and its volatility, we will realize that this period only favors more of investors and not institutions or an individual that wishes to use the crypto strictly for utility token.

As these businessmen gets acquainted to using stables coins for savings and making necessary payments without the fear of volatile or the value of the fund they intend using for some particular payment settlements plunges overnight, it will become easier for all of them to migrate to BTC easily in near future when it becomes stable too.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: Ezenwanyi1 on April 27, 2019, 08:09:35 PM
Stablecoin backed by Fiat are very necessary .
It's estimated that the tether stable coin has a daily volume of billions.
This is a testament to the fact that there's a demand for the development of more stable coins here.
Stable coins would accelerate mainstream Adoption of cryptocurrency.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: cchub on April 27, 2019, 08:20:53 PM
"Fiat-backed stablecoins are therefore rarely actual cryptocurrencies, which causes them to inherit their main characteristics and shortcomings from the centralised banking system. Ultimately, they function in the same manner as fiat, backed by what amounts to an IOU."

Danial Daychopan wrote a short article linked below that has got me thinking. Are stablecoins bad for the cryptocurrency ecosystem because they are essentially fiat in digital form, or are they beneficial as they provide stability in an extremely volatile market? Curious to hear your thoughts, give it a read and let me know your angle on it.

https://medium.com/@DDhopn/stablecoins-3b93b4f1ddc5

This is an interesting article. I believe crypto is here to stay! Crypto with lower volatility is also needed. We need stablecoins for that, to make some apps (dapps) function better and stable.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: Snaic on April 28, 2019, 03:19:04 AM
Literally they were just useless since we already have fiat money in the digital for so having virtual centralized currency is also just same as those but it is more worse to hold stable coins which is created by someone rather than banks or you government.
If you do not like stable coins that is fine since no one is going to force you to use them but they are far away from being useless, their main use is to allow the users of cryptocurrencies to get a form of fiat that is easy to convert back and forth without incurring huge fees or having to give explanations to your bank about where you got your money, since there have been many instances in the past in which as soon as a bank found out of your operations with cryptocurrencies they will cancel your account.
I wonder how much criticism and dissatisfaction with stable coins. And at that time, when it is clearly visible that they greatly facilitate the work with cryptocurrency. Nobody forces anyone to use them. I am very pleased with the appearance of stable coins. This is really a new stage in the development of cryptocurrency. Cryptocurrency continues to evolve. Perhaps, in the future, something more perfect will appear, but for now we have stable coins in their form.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: TheHas on April 28, 2019, 04:09:30 AM
Well one thing about stablecoins, you might not make any money - but you'll never lose any money either ;)

Unless its USDT, then maybe you will when the house of cards crumbles...


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: South Park on May 01, 2019, 10:01:26 PM
Well one thing about stablecoins, you might not make any money - but you'll never lose any money either ;)

Unless its USDT, then maybe you will when the house of cards crumbles...
And this is the biggest issue with coins backed by something, they are centralized which means that is very easy for the ones emitting the coin to defraud the trust of their investors in a way similar to banks and governments, if the recent news are correct then each tether is only backed by 74 cents and while many probably do not mind this investors were assured they were investing in an asset completely backed by US dollars, so it will not surprise me if USDT disappears during the next years as people lose trust in the coin.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: 3core on May 01, 2019, 10:05:00 PM
Why hold stable coin, when I can keep my money in fiat currency, stable coins are not cryptocurrency. Stablecoins are regulated and centralized which is not a feature of any cryptocurrency.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: Danslip on May 01, 2019, 10:14:29 PM
For liquidating the winning trading position we need to re-think about the our views on the stable cryptocurrencies. Altcoins have higher volatility and these type of stable coins can solve these problems.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: jak3 on May 01, 2019, 10:35:22 PM
I do not consider them to be evil until now. as the principal is almost the same as a coin on water. support if you put 1coin on the boat and then sail the boat into the water. it will float and even jump on the water but as the coins weight increases, the boat will become more stable and at a point when the coin becomes too much valued the boat is even gonna sink into the water and not gonna move anymore.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: levvv on May 02, 2019, 06:22:46 AM
A stable coin is something that we need to measure the cryptocurrency with fiat value.
But too much stable coins is not good, because some of them maybe turned to be a scam coin.
There is no profit from holding stable coin, so it is not necessary to be created more of them.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: Jeborn on May 04, 2019, 10:46:03 PM
Indeed stables coin are very much needed neccesary evil. If not for all everything stable coins offer but for the fact that stable coins is a safe haven for trader during continuous down trends. It more than neccesary to have them around I ll say it's compulsory for our safety


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: Argoo on May 06, 2019, 05:58:56 AM
Why hold stable coin, when I can keep my money in fiat currency, stable coins are not cryptocurrency. Stablecoins are regulated and centralized which is not a feature of any cryptocurrency.
Stable coins make it easier to work with cryptocurrency. They are not really intended for a long storage period. It is convenient to use them when you need to quickly withdraw funds from a particular  cryptocurrency, but the time has not yet come to invest these funds in other coins or to withdraw them in fiat.
At the same time, if someone does not like to use them, it is their right.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: Ayobami99 on May 06, 2019, 06:11:17 AM
My opinion is that they are actually good especially to attract more adopters who might be afraid of loosing money due to an unstable market when they do business transactions. Imagine using btc,  the one who accepts it will rather loose or gain when the market rises of falls. Apart from the accusations around USDT I'm sure stable coins are very cool


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: Wolfwar on May 06, 2019, 07:49:36 PM
My opinion is that they are actually good especially to attract more adopters who might be afraid of loosing money due to an unstable market when they do business transactions. Imagine using btc,  the one who accepts it will rather loose or gain when the market rises of falls. Apart from the accusations around USDT I'm sure stable coins are very cool
The fact is that I can not understand why the author considers stable coins as evil.  In any case, These coins enable many users of cryptocurrency to minimize their losses.  I have repeatedly used USDT when another cryptocurrency market collapsed and I was able to stall my capital level at a certain place.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: CryptoGosu on May 06, 2019, 09:52:59 PM
Currently, stablecoins can create many problems in the market. This may have strong negative consequences. But in general, I think that the stablecoins are useful for the development of the market.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: powerman24 on May 06, 2019, 11:45:02 PM
It seems that stable coins are very useful for trading and for merchants to avoid high volatility of crypto. I am not confident of the backing mechanism of stable coin which are centralized like Tether, and prefer decentralized solutions like DAI.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: cr197 on May 06, 2019, 11:49:13 PM
The best decentralized approach would be what BitBay.Market is trying to achieve.

As far as I know 99.99% of stablecoin projects think they have to be hard-pegged to a currency or commodity.
They don't. And this is their biggest weakness.

If anyone trades forex, they will know that the dollar value is not hard pegged. Its value is dynamic. The only difference is that it exchanges within a low volatility market. This low volatility is to a point where people are willing to accept it as a medium of exchange. A 5 dollar burger is still a 5 dollar burger at a restaurant, even if on a bad day in forex, the dollar possibly loses over 1/2% in value against gold or the Euro, etc.

Therefore the most robust stablecoin is one that tries to establish itself as a decentralized cryptocurrency that's value is independently determined. Bitcoin can already do this except it most likely has years even possibly decades  before it will ever become stabilized enough to be considered a medium of exchange.
So the only real step bitcoin is missing is a way to stabilize it's price. Paul Donovan, chief global economist of UBS, said it best back in an interview published in Nov. 2018, "Every economist knows a store of value is about balancing supply and demand, and with cryptocurrencies you cannot control the supply in response to a drop in demand."

And he nailed it on the head! While he was trying to be a smart ass about the future of crypto and why he thinks it will fail, he also provided the solution to fix the rampant volatility in the industry.
This is programmable money, never underestimate what can be hard coded into a blockchain - never say never.

BitBay.Market will be the first cryptocurrency that will solve this. Rather than complicate itself with hard pegging itself like 99.99% of others are doing. BitBay is simply applying a decentralized peg protocol that will allow coin holders to vote to freeze or unfreeze the total coin supply. Each coin has a memory, and can either be a liquid coin or a reserve coin depending on the voters consensus. This way it doesn't have to print new coins or burn existing coins. It simply takes the majority consensus and freezes or unfreezes the liquid supply so that it can "balance with dynamic demand". BitBay will prove Paul Donovan wrong.
This means price is not hard pegged. It can reach new values and hold these values. And why not? Pegging a stablecoin to the dollar, which has been steadily losing value since God knows how long, doesn't make any sense. If anything, decentralized cryptocurrencies that have a limited supply with or without regulated inflation should always be able to gain in value against fiat as long as demand growth is constant.

Will the price be volatile? In the beginning most likely, yes, it will. But over time, the ability to balance supply with demand should keep trade ranges contained with a minimal amount of volatility.

How is this possible? Bitcoin can take anywhere from 1-2 years for a bear market to end. With BitBay, voters can freeze roughly 80% of the total liquid supply in just 8 days! It would be hard pressed for a bear trend to last longer than 8-12 days at most. Some traders wouldn't even call that a trend, just a hiccup!

When investors can fight back against speculators, they have much more incentive to want to invest and stake which pushes out the volatility speculators so love.

There are many goals for this decentralized peg as I've already states some above, but one other major goal is to create a low-volatility coin is always independent of any other coin, currency or commodity.
Voters have the power to create either a positive or a negative correlation to bitcoin's price action. This could allow BitBay to be used as a volatility hedge against bitcoins price action. But people must remember also that since BitBay is not hard pegged, the profit potential does not stop once a trader hedges. For example, if bitcoin goes up in a bullish mini trend, but then traders feel that it could retrace, they now have 2 options: either sell their btc for a hard pegged stablecoin or sell their btc for BitBay. If they choose the former then for the most part, their ability to continue to increase their equity is done (unless they have access to margin trading and short). If they chose BitBay, their is the 'potential' that the new demand for BitBay from btc hedgers could actually cause BitBay to go up in value against BTC. This way they have the potential to continue profiting on top of their btc profit taking! There is risk obviously since nothing is guaranteed. But remember if any losses get out of control with BitBay, then voters will start freezing to protect their equity!

It should make for one hell of an interesting trade game.

BitBay.Market is just about 2-4 weeks away from presenting the decentralized peg to exchanges to test and integrate. The coding is done, it's been done since Nov. 2018.  They just have to finish up the exchange integration coding.

Hope this helps some people open up their eyes to some of the possibilities that are about to enter the industry!















Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: South Park on May 07, 2019, 08:14:42 PM
A stable coin is something that we need to measure the cryptocurrency with fiat value.
But too much stable coins is not good, because some of them maybe turned to be a scam coin.
There is no profit from holding stable coin, so it is not necessary to be created more of them.
That is false, we can compare and trade cryptocurrencies directly against fiat so stable coins do not serve that purpose as you claim, however it does not mean that stable coins are useless, they have their function since they allow you to get something similar to fiat without using banks, but as we have seen during the last week they have the same weakness as fiat in which you need to trust a third party to hold the parity between the coin and fiat, and that is a huge weak link that cryptocurrencies were supposedly trying to solve.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: rjp55 on May 07, 2019, 08:16:13 PM
They have a place in crypto. I can't say evil but they are not an investment.

They are just a way to trade.


Title: Re: Are Stablecoins A Necessary Evil?
Post by: premiumproductss on May 07, 2019, 08:29:43 PM
Fiat-backed, the problem is with the word "FIAT".
Cryptocurrencies were created to fight with FIAT money. FIAT is an evil that infiltrated cryptocurrencies and try to dump them all  :D.