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Craig Wright has sent a legal letter to Hodlonaut, the creator of the Lightning Torch, accusing him of libel for referring to Wright as a "fraud."

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/craig-wright-threatens-libel-suit-letter-bitcoiner-demands-apology/

As a public figure, this lawsuit would be extraordinarily difficult to win in the United States, but it could be filed in the UK, where libel cases are somewhat easier to win, though still difficult.

this sounds more like the social media drama that we keep seeing every day. otherwise Craig Wright IS a scammer so calling him "fraud" is only stating the facts. everyone already knows it, he knows it, and the court will also probably know it.
and since the evidence of his fraud is easily to find and prove he doesn't really have much of a case here.

Well, I think it is time that something like this is taken to court. Let them finally get to the facts of this whole matter and show that Craig Wright lied about the claims that he made that he is Satoshi Nakamoto.

I think a lot of people will even donate to Hodlonaut's legal cost to help to expose this snake oil salesman for what he is. Craig Wright will do anything to stay in the limelight, because he thrives on attention.  >:(

Bring it on!

But Craig Wright can't win the case if he eventually hits the court, because he has been masquerading as the real Satoshi Nakamoto. Let him come and prove to us all how he managed to creating the bitcoin or he risked going to jail for misleading the public about such a important issue.

So the drama continues...Craig Wright still fighting for his claim as the real Satoshi. It is interesting to see how the end of all this drama, will he be declared as the real Satoshi or he will get the opposite.

OK, after a quick look at the differences between U.S. and UK laws on defamation, I can see why Craig Wright is threatening to file in the UK. In the U.S., the burden of proof is on the plaintiff to prove he was defamed, whereas in the UK the burden of proof is on the defendant to prove his case. Thus, perhaps Wright will simply make the defendant prove he's not Satoshi - basically proving a negative - but it still may open him up to a lot of negative publicity as the defendant tries to make his case.

Source: https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/03/21/394273902/on-libel-and-the-law-u-s-and-u-k-go-separate-ways

I keep seeing Craig Wright's name all over the place. He actually claims he is satoshi and failed to prove it. So, I think it's normal for him to be criticized by a lot of people. He just wanted more exposure, and I think he is butt hurt that is why he filed a lawsuit. If he is going to act that way, why not collect all the names that is bad-mouthing him all over the internet and file a lawsuit against them.

Craig Wright is really out of his mind right now, if he decided to file it up in the US he won't win. Everybody knows that he is a fraud I think that even in the UK he will have a hard time winning his case, just look all the "proof" that he has claiming to be Satoshi.

That was a cheap publicity stunt from craig. He wanna be called himself as Satoshi and now he is threatening bitcoiners to call him a fraud, funny isnt it.
He is none other than a known bitcoin faliure who is just as hurry to make profit as the trade declines.

this seems particularly hard to win since wright has already been proven to be a fraud! ::) eg backdating a PGP key and claiming it was satoshis or forging a signature to claim he held early satoshi keys.

what does this clown expect to gain from this?

Indeed atleast Craig seems to accept being hurtful by this issue 😂

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But even if the case pursued and Craig wins still this is a bailable suit and needs only small amount

Exactly mate this will only prove that he is not worthy to be known as satoshi in which he was claiming

But CZ strikes back: https://twitter.com/cz_binance/status/1116563034476957699

https://i.ibb.co/L1Cgg3d/Screen-Shot-2019-04-12-at-4-23-12-PM.png (https://ibb.co/6F4ttk0)

CZ threatened to de-list Bitcoin SV from Binance itself if CW continue his pursue of doxing Hodlonaut. Everyone should change their twitter handle to Hodlonaut now.  ;D.

Craig Wright has been know for his threat and not sure that he's serious at this particular time. Let remember that, the same Craig Wright was several times be accused of fraud, so, this is not the very first time he's be call such. Let him start the drama again because it has been long for his act.

Craig Wright just make it worst for himself. He just literally shooting his own foot here. I don't know if he can get support from his lawsuit.

Every crypto enthusiast really knows that he is not Satoshi, and it has been proven many times that he can't prove that he is Satoshi. Does he have anything to protect? he has been unmasked already years ago so this case will be just thrown out in the bin again.

And look, CZ entered the picture now, should he file a libel case against Binance CEO as well?

since when does stating the obvious facts are leading to a lawsuit? it is like suing someone for saying the sky is blue.


publicity! what else? he is never going to go ahead with the lawsuit. it is just something he is trying to make himself look "not fraud" and continue his scam for a little bit longer.

Hmm, I don't like this at all.
Of course, CW is a fraud and probably he will not get anywhere with his lawsuit but were opening Pandora's box here.

Are we going to use exchanges to threaten people?
How the *** is this different from Paypal stopping donations to Wikileaks?


Yeah, that's the problem with this lawsuit in the UK.
And your assumption is unfortunately correct, he will have to prove he is not Satoshi without demanding evidence from CW like a signed message.

It's like me knowing you hit my car but I have no footage, just that I saw you, BUT I must prove this without demanding that police check your car. So unless he finds proof somebody else is Satoshi he won't be able to sustain the fraud accusation.

I think it's a mistake to assume everything has to be decentralized. Bitcoin itself is decentralized, and Binance is known to be a centralized exchange with people behind it. If CZ wants to delist Faketoshi, so be it. People can collect that shitcoin somewhere else. Not everything has to be decentralized.

Just proves CSW isn't really the man behind bitcoin because he's easily offended by remarks about him being fraud. If I was the real Satoshi and I was being remarked as such, I'll just laugh it off and do nothing about it, considering that I know to myself that I am the real deal behind bitcoin. Also, this proves that CSW can't take the heat of what he had caused, leading to an eventual spur of negative events toward his way. Never been amazed of this man since I read about him, and never will I ever be.


That sucks, so basically if Hodlonaut can't present a good case, he basically loses the lawsuit and gets jail time. Clever thinking, CSW, but still negative publicity from the community.

I'm willing to bet that nobody said the same when PayPal blocked WikiLeaks..
If I remember correctly that was commented as threats, abuse, illegal, etc etc..
Now, it's a free market and everybody should do what they want.

Although I hope it won't happen let's see your attitude on a major bank bans again crypto purchases.
Will you still keep this everyone is free to do what they want attitude?


Yeah, it sucks and it doesn't depend on the accusations. In this case, it does..
But if anyone is accusing you of embezzling money or getting a bribe good luck proving you didn't take money from the mob 20 years ago at a dinner. This is one case where the one accused is better off in this system.

I hope they just delist bitcoin sv. I mean, what is bitcoin sv? What they are worth for? Just some rich guys playground nothing more.

I wonder, can they recover from delisting on binance.

Paypal banning Wikileaks is what brought attention to bitcoin as decentralized money. It's like the yin and yang - this is a part of the bitcoin story.

Paypal has every right to ban whoever they want, and they do. So people go to bitcoin.

Bitcoin and Paypal are not the same.

CZ probably tweeted that to put a stop C. Wright shenanigans around the Bitcoin community.  What are they worth for? nothing, we all know that its just another altcoin waiting to be pump by the people behind. That case won't go further, everyone knows that he is fake as nowhere is he near the 'classy' Satoshi. Did he really think that someone will take a bite on his reward and unravel someone in crypto?

Here we go again. Another drama by Craig Wright. I think this time, I will sit in the audience and watch the drama until it ends.
I wonder what will CZ did after this drama end ;D
But I hope that it's the time for Craig Wright to end of his drama and someone must stop him from being a controversial person in the cryptocurrency world.

continuous drama from Craig Wright
I think he just wants to find the stage to gain popularity, that's all.
and regarding this latest issue, I can't say because I don't know the legal rules in the UK and America. so this is just a stage for jokes

Good to share such information about the threaten lawsuit against Bitcoiner by Craig Wright. We all know who Craig is, and what he can do in person, but based on the public figure he is, i strongly believe that if he institute the lawsuit action against the Bitcoiner, he will win the case and sue them for potential damage. Let watch what happen at the end of the story.

Don't you think that rather than posting 46 posts in a single day !!!! you should actually take a look at what you're posting and how you're answering questions?
Don't try to fake conversation with me by doing your usual 3 lines crap.
If you can't understand what I'm asking, do some research, if you don't know what to answer nobody is forcing you to do so,

The community is not exactly opposed to CZ taking a stand against Faketoshi. I just happened to give my opinion that jives with the community in large part. I honestly don't think everything has to be decentralized, and if people don't like Binance they can go elsewhere. In fact, Binance is about to set up a decentralized exchange, so people can go there instead. They choose which cryptos to list and which to kick out - that's the nature of Binance.

I mean damn. You don't need to hate on a lower-ranked member with more earned merits than you. But of course, that's irrelevant to the point of this thread.

 ;D ;D ;D
Further proof you have no idea what you're talking :P but that can't stop you on your quest to reach 100 posts a day, right?
Kiddo, you have earned 5 merits, I have earned 504 !!!


Again, gibberish, nothing to do with what I've asked you.
But nice to see you have done 4 lines of text now, not 3.

So let's agree to disagree. This is an industry with sociopaths. CZ is taking a stand on principle. Yes, that does conflict with some of the ideals of bitcoin, but like I said, Binance regularly delists coins for various reasons. There is no reason to take shots at Binance for this and to be silent when they delist coins due to low volume - that's also a centralized action.

All I am saying is taking a stand based on principle - as opposed to the pure passivity of decentralization - is not exactly so objectionable. I do not believe in robotic acquiescence acording to some predetermined principle. Arguably, the problem with hyper-decentralization is that it allows too many psychopaths to thrive - hence why humans evolved in a communal, centralized fashion and tendency.

So why are we always slandered by the government and the media as one of the biggest scams? Why don't we sue fools who have declared this? I do not agree with this, and I believe he cannot win this case.

What principle????
I don't agree with you but I'm more powerful so I will hurt you?

So you basically agree that an exchange should delist a coin, be it a shitcoin like btcsv just because he doesn't like the attitude of the team behind it.  Shitcoin or not shitcoin, that thing is the 16th most traded coin, and will get delisted ..why?
Because somebody doesn't like CW?

I don't like him at all and I have never touched nor his coin not any other altcoins except for dumping my BCH but this is simply stupid.
What if next, he will say that he is concerned that the CIA is behind BTC and chooses to delist bitcoin, are you going to applaud his move again?

What is the difference between this guy threatening to delist coins and getting congratulations by the mob and Chavez nationalizing private business and houses in the applause of the angry mob?

Sorry but if we're replacing bank with exchanges run by this kind of people, then count me out.
I'm more comfortable with the former.

Oh....and nothing about the merit remark? Nothing?  ::)

I was wrong about the merit comment and can admit when I'm wrong - so you win that one.

I think there's murkiness with this topic, but I also don't think it's possible for the decentralized purity that some people want for a number of reasons. For example, Binance is known to freeze coins stolen by hackers - a lot of people are not opposed to that. In many ways the space is still centralized. Heck, this forum is centralized with arbitrary rules and moderators, and for me that's OK. On the other hand, I understand that Larimer and Ver have had bad experiences with governments overextending themselves, so I understand why they take their somewhat extreme philosophical approach. I just don't see one path here that is objectively right.

I think we will eventually have decentralized exchanges that will prevent what Binance is threatening to do - as well as delist and freeze stolen assets. The question is - will these exchanges be absolutely good? We have laws and need regulations because there are abuses in the system. Where the middle ground is people will still disagree - but usually a compromise is found. But again, totally decentralized exchanges and virtual realities will come to fruition eventually. I don't think Binance has ever pretended to be decentralized.

The reality is, fraud and theft are rampant in this industry. This is partly due to the Wild West nature of it with regulations that are archaic and lacking. So I see this problem as a puzzle where pieces have to be put into place, and we're going to always disagree on the setup. But anyway, there will always be jurisdictions out there more suited to individual biases.

To sum it up, yeah, I think CW is an asshole, and I don't care if his coin gets shitcanned. Does it violate some core principle among bitcoiners? Yes. But I'm just going to shrug my shoulders on this one. I am not a purist.

yes this became his own boomerang for him, trying to trick people into claiming he was satoshi nakamoto. but people don't believe in him and of course he will get harsh criticism. and bringing this matter to court to fear those who criticize it is ridiculous and he will not win in this case. it seems like he wants to find sensation and attention.

Craig wright is taking the whole thing too far any way we wish him goodluck in doing that because he has always come out to criticized the whole system and no one threatened a law suit now that he is refer to as a fraud he is filling charges. This case may be difficult in the US considering is popularity and involvements in the past.

I will really like to see if this will followed through to a reasonable end and not just as a world of mouth. Even though am not a fan of Craig and many things has been said about him in this space which are not cool. Maybe now he is trying to pick them and react to them or he might want to prove something out of it. To me if someone calls me what am not , I simply move on because that’s just the opinion of the person and I keep doing my good.

How about you stop spamming the forum with posts that make absolutely no sense just to be paid more in your signature campaign ?
Your post history is shit, you should be careful or you'll get tagged soon.

the holdnaut donation page has raise 9k until now. Everyone must support him against this hoaxer fraud

https://weareallhodlonaut.com/

and a full list of all of Craig Wrights scams

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/bc7j9m/craig_wright_is_a_fraud_hoaxer_a_reminder_for/

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/b318ih/in_honor_of_craig_wrights_ragequit_from_twitter_i/eiwho2w/

i really really can't stand this Craig Wright.
I will be really disappointed if, in the end, he can prove to be the real Satoshi. In my mind Satoshi is not someone who is so bully and wants so much attention.

https://twitter.com/KennETHbosak/status/1116642717226942464?s=20

Yes, exactly. That's a great reason. As was pointed out earlier Binance is a business. They can choose to do as they please. You don't have to like it, just use a different exchange. I highly doubt their business is going to suffer if the delist BSV, and I sincerely hope that happens.

BSV doesn't have enough technical merit to stand on its own, hence the constant attention-seeking behavior by Craig. It was ranked #10 after the fork, it is ranked #16 now, by the end of the year it will be out of the top 20. If Binance can speed up the process, that's awesome.

i am so happy about the community today because it seems like that everyone have eventually woken up and are seeing Craig for the fraud that he really is.
it was nearly last year where people were still confused about whether he is really Satoshi or not but it seems like they are eventually catching up. hopefully we can put an end to his scams soon and stop paying any attention to him so that he leaves this community with his shitcoin worth 0 soon.

almost 15k now

https://weareallhodlonaut.com/

If you look at the market place and the N number of coins in the market you cannot tell that it is a crap project, the vision they are preaching are good to hear and if they are able to implement those things, then we will consider their valuation be worth, but the delisting part is just a twitter drama and nothing else, if binance starts delisting coins because of personal reason then they cannot be taken serious as a business  :P.

Exactly, the community has really shown solidity this time to really expose Faketoshi and everything backfired on him. CZ thanks a hard stance, twitter is also erupting with support to Hodlonaut.

Every Bitcoiners now become Hodlonaut:

https://twitter.com/PeterMcCormack/status/1116733748794540033

This make sense:  ;D

https://i.ibb.co/f0rLrPf/hodlonaut.jpg (https://ibb.co/ZTc7ck5)

No need to be a rocket scientist to understand what hodlonaut has posted. CW is really irritated that's why he goes on suing people where everyone is entitled on his own opinion. Can his case have weight? Nah, I doubt, he is just another troll that needs to be swatted away from crypto sphere.

Thats his right since libel is personal attack and if he has a reputation (if he really had lol) then he must pursue that case
If he is from UK and also the creator of lightning TORCH then i might say hes a lucky man but if not,then this has a case of no future

Bitcoin SV Miners Saw Gross Losses of $2.2 Million Since Fork: BitMEX

https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-sv-miners-saw-gross-losses-of-22-million-since-fork-bitmex

"A tweet published on April 12 by the research arm of major cryptocurrency derivatives platform BitMEX estimates that Bitcoin SV (BSV) miners have accumulated gross losses of $2.2 million.

The report released by BitMEX Research claims that BSV miners perceived a negative gross profit margin of 12% since the coin was created in a hard fork that split Bitcoin Cash (BCH). The estimate is based on mined coin count, current coin prices and lower bound mining electricity costs.

The tweet notes that, among costs, the estimate accounts for mining electricity only."

Perhaps he know that he has very little chance of a court victory. This move is to discourage other media outlets form publishing similar stories. Don't know how much the entire episode is going to cost him... but it looks like he may have to spend a few hundred grands.

It will not be an easy case especially if the person gets that lawsuit from other country to which there is no jurisdiction then that matter will not guarantee to promote the case to the court unless if both partiea are living in the same country. Anyway, if the case will push through then good luck on whoever wins the case.

If you wanna help hodlonaut, you can buy some of this merchandise :

https://layeronebtc.com/collections/what-bitcoin-did

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The fact that :-

   One is writing letters
   Making up names like faketoshi
   Starting campaigns
   Threatening to complaint in big authority

Means only one thing 😂
 
   They are super frustrated and just wants one thing ' popularity, a
   person who is this free and have that much time to make a lot of
   issue about nothing big , if it's real Satoshi why don't you just login and post something confirming your identity even on this forum , seriously you gonna sue everyone if they don't believe your made up story , it's funny seriously.

Satoshi might have undergone mind transplant now , because years before he fought hard and kept his identity hidden and seriously did everything he can to not let anyone know even a simple thing about him and now he is fighting everyone about his claims .

Seriously ? ?

This is stupid.

is true this. No one can loose a trial from such a fraudster. There are strong evidence against them. Imo is and a good change for everyone to get from them to the courts a dozen of free money.

yes, first. in 2016, he claimed as satoshi, even he gave evidence of his first transaction to Hal Finney in 2009. some people believed he was satoshi, like Gavin Andresen and Jon Matinis.

but, in 2018, his admission get a negative response from the BTC community and from the enthusiastic about BTC because Craig's proof was not public. I think Craig's confession as satoshi is only a short drama. finally, he apologized to the public because he could not provide evidence for the first key owned by Satoshi only.

Nickup, A person in the BTC ycombinator community commented that the paper released by Satoshi was very simple, clear and complex. and he said that Craig could not create the role of the real Satoshi. He also said that Craig had a problem, he was being pursued by the Australian tax authorities, because he became one of the biggest tax claimants in Australia. Nickup also says that he has a friend who works in a Craig, they say that Craig is a cheater.

Law of submissions made by Craig will not make him win, there is plenty of evidence that he is fake satoshi, Wikileaks provides evidence that he has documents about his claims as satoshi, in Twitter, Wikileaks provides fake documents made by Craig.
many figures gave negative responses to Craig such as NIK Cubrilovic, Peter Rizun, Charlie Lie, Paul SZtorc, and others, even his mother considered Craig a liar.

so, I think, Craig's Fraud to the public is a big offense, and the court must give punishment to him, not to the person who defames him.yes, first. in 2016, he claimed as satoshi, even he gave evidence of his first transaction to Hal Finney in 2009. some people believed he was satoshi, like Gavin Andresen and Jon Matinis.

but, in 2018, his admission get a negative response from the BTC community and from the enthusiastic about BTC because Craig's proof was not public. I think Craig's confession as satoshi is only a short drama. finally, he apologized to the public because he could not provide evidence for the first key owned by Satoshi only.

Nickup, A person in the BTC ycombinator community commented that the paper released by Satoshi was very simple, clear and complex. and he said that Craig could not create the role of the real Satoshi. He also said that Craig had a problem, he was being pursued by the Australian tax authorities, because he became one of the biggest tax claimants in Australia. Nickup also says that he has a friend who works in a Craig, they say that Craig is a cheater.

Law of submissions made by Craig will not make him win, there is plenty of evidence that he is fake satoshi, Wikileaks provides evidence that he has documents about his claims as satoshi, in Twitter, Wikileaks provides fake documents made by Craig.
many figures gave negative responses to Craig such as NIK Cubrilovic, Peter Rizun, Charlie Lie, Paul SZtorc, and others, even his mother considered Craig a liar.

so, I think, Craig's Fraud to the public is a big offense, and the court must give punishment to him, not to the person who defiling a name of Craig.

Any lawsuits in court on such trifles for any person will turn into a laughing stock.And here in the arena itself Craig Wright.I would not do this in his place. You need to respect yourself.Let's see what happens in the end.

I don't like Craig and I think he's a fake. His lawsuit is a joke. He's doing it to promote himself and it obviously is working because medias are covering it and now that CZ has responded they will keep on covering it again. What CW is doing is all a joke.

He's not doing anything constructive just trying to spew hate at everyone he's doing business business with.
First he liked Bitcoin then he did not like bitcoin and went with Ver and his fork then he did not like Ver and made his own coin then he threatened Bitcoin and Ver and now he's offering bounty for private information about a bitcoiner.
Craig is cancer.

Satoshi's account on this forum has been disabled a very long time ago and not to mention that such log in would not prove anything at all because hacking an account is super easy, lest we forget bitcointalk databse has been hacked before.

besides it is not about suing anyone, it is only about getting some publicity and continuing his fraud trying to convince some sheeple that he is Satoshi.

Agree. This guy just want to stay in the limelight and we all know that he loves attention specially from press people. Of course we all know that his coins will not go forward because it doesn't have the support of the community and continuing his ways to scam everyone. He is no worst than Roger Ver I would say.

He can't prove that he is Satoshi so I guess we really need to close that book already.

This is ridiculous, filing a lawsuit is a good thing we will see if he's the real satoshi it will reveal the truth. Looks like he is just making a noise and gone too far and trap himself to a delicate and uncertain situation.  ;D

Craig Wright is a fraud (maybe I will get served too) and is no way Satoshi. (Satoshi doesn't want to be known,that's why he remained anonymous in the first case) His rants is not healthy for the cryptospace. Bitcoin SV has already been delisted by binance, who knows what will happen next.

And if seems that everything is out of control now,

https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/1117111166164197376

Even John McAfee is riding the hype, (what do you expect), but suing Calvin Ayre for $800 million. We all know that Calvin is a know associate of Craig Wright, so now crypto sphere turns into a circus.  ;D

lol :P

https://twitter.com/PeterMcCormack/status/1117448742892986368

:):)

What I would really like to see is that these discussions were not legal disputes. With lawyers and laws being used.

It is the only possibility that fraud is recognized as true. Since lawyers can distort everything. There are ways he can prove to be Satoshi that they would leave no doubt. Since he never succeeded in any of these attempts, let us forget him and move on.

I had to look for this article:

Bitcoin Creator and Superagent: What You Should Know About Craig Wright (https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-creator-and-superagent-what-you-should-know-about-craig-wright)



https://i.imgur.com/Qmx2aRO.png


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if the judge does research on Craig Wright, I wonder if the judge will take Craig Wright seriously.


Binance is a company that has its owner and its owner dictates the rules, and in this case he is right to take such action. Look how much faketoshi destruction has already caused