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In the quest to clean up the forum,i feel there is need to be considerate.I appreciate the fact that we need to maintain some check and balance in the forum,but it is bad when some innocent become a victim all in the name of trying to maintain some check and balance in the forum.I don't know why some guys have turned to police overnight in the forum,hunting for people,claiming that they are running multiple account,at times ,most of their proof are not strong enough as far as am concern because we all know that,this is internet where anything is possible.Though some might feel,the so called police are doing all these to clean up the forum,but you know what i see,
1.I see hatred been demonstrated to some section of the forum.
2.I see people that are desperate to earn some merit by using other people as a bait.
3.I see people that are seeking to be known by the administrator by pretending to be cleaning the forum.
4.I see opportunist

I feel the administrator can actually run the check and balance by themselves instead of leaving the destiny of people on this forum at the mercy of these desperate set of people.I want you all to know that,the forum need the people just like the people need the forum.If care is not taken,more desperate guys will take advantage of this and more innocent will become a victim,and this can later result to,if i can't beat them,then,i will join them.Am calling on theymos and the rest to do some review.
  I know we have got a good administrator,in the person of theymos.

Many people resort to bullying in real life. They seem to believe that it will gain them respect, but very often the reverse is true. I'm sure that this is true of some members here. However, one has to be careful when venturing such opinions, very often the evaluation is subjective, and it could be that one hasn't considered the wider ramifications for the forum.

Can you provide evidence of a user(s) who has been bullied or been wrongly picked on?

Can you provide evidence for any of the below?


If you’re unable to then I’m suspicious that you’re possibly just another butthurt scammer that got red trusted, probably.

If you’re a supposed noob then you seem to have a very good knowledge on the politics of this forum. Why don’t you start by admitting that you’re using a sock puppet & tell us you’re real profile name.

I see someone who isn't willing to make this post from his main account.

Yeb looks like an Alt Account !

Registered few days ago and know the forum looks like longer and straight posting on Meta !

As you can see above,a call to theymos and the rest,i don't know why an observation need a proof,i don't need ten years to know what is happening in the forum.

You need to have experience on the forum to start demanding change & showing dissatisfaction.
So, I’ll ask again, what’s your main account?

I'm not going to pretend I'm blind to people's faults and foibles, but it's hard to know what you're talking about without knowing who you're referring to.  And I have no clue what you mean with point #2 above, using people as bait to earn merit.  You'll have to explain that one.  Same thing with #3.

As far as getting administration involved, good luck with that.  Theymos tends to take a hands-off approach to running this forum, and he's the one who put the merit system in place, which is probably the cause of much of what you're complaining about.  In addition, the people who complain the loudest about all the perceived injustices around here are usually members who contribute nothing but IQ-lowering nonsense in hopes of getting the maximum payment from whatever bounty they and their alt accounts are in.  Theymos knows this, and I don't think he's going to make modifications to anything based on whining from the peanut gallery.

And yes, some of the older members tend to be very crunchy, but I don't often see people getting 'abused'.  It's more like extremely harsh criticism, which everyone ought to expect on the internet.

You only need 4 days to analyze the market and act like a good one.
If you want to get the attention of Theymos or you want something to change then try to be more specific and have some proof so there will be the basis of this claim. If you want to clean your name then prove yourself, talk to those who misjudge you instead of complaining, go for the process and don’t take any shortcut.

Why use a newbie account to post? Your newbie account was registered on 8th April 2019.

What is your real user name here and what is the exact issue?

Yep, it's an alt alright.  My guess is that it's St4yInTh3D4rk who has been under suspicion (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5124012.msg50287042#msg50287042) of having alts in various campaigns, maybe two in the same campaign, dealing in hacked accounts, and abusing merit.  Very similar grammar and punctuation errors.





Quoted for reference.

Who?

Who?

What accounts?


But you still don't give one example..ONE!


Yeah, add a bit of ass kissing at the end like is going to work with theymos.


Probably because he has at least 5 red tags for selling accounts, ICO bumping, fake ICO , loans without collateral or stuff like this?
And you have asked the wrong question :D
I'm willing to bet he has more than two or three "real usernames".

I'm sure he is afraid to post from his main account because he know that bias will stay and his rant won't be forgotten.  I don't blame him, people have shown here to take things very personal and arguments can get very petty.

Just fucking nuke this thread. Total waste of time, effort & forum space.

**Sigh**

Probably Himself.
Probably His Account/s

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I think I've seen something familiar with the OP's username, it must have been a coincidence ??? (Definitely not reffering to the 3 accounts mentioned above)

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OP, would you mind getting us off on our curiosity and reveal yourself here? We won't cost any harm for yah.

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Also a waste of sMerits I suppose?

In my opinion, yes.

I can't disagree to the multiple account busters point. It is really annoying to see someone connecting 2 eth/btc addresses and say look these are alts let us tag them.

I know the intention of most alt busters is good, but the lack of evidence and giving how easy it is to frame someone , it is really unfair , regardless of the fact that most of these accusations are probably accurate despite the lack of evedince.


P.s  there is no point in attacking this newbie or asking him to reveal his main account ( which he probably has).

I don't think it is sensible for the same DT members to attempt to derail, defame, and discredit the post and poster on the basis of pure speculation as to whom the individual may be.

This kind of behavior from the same DT members could be construed to be the bullying and mafia type tactics the thread is trying to bring attention to.  Even if you believe you are acting in the best interests of the board, you should still confine yourselves to operating with a certain decorum and remain respectful during discussions whether they align with your own views or not. If you can provide evidence that you feel is robust enough to provide a refutation, then that is a different matter.

There are certainly some instances where people are being unfairly treated on this forum.  
It comes as no surprise to me that some members will feel compelled to use alternative accounts to protect their main accounts from reprisals.

The admin should provide some strict enforceable guidance for red trust . I feel that is what the initial poster is asking for.

Regardless of who is behind the newbie account, I hope he posts back at least giving some information about what his issue is so it can be addressed.

Maybe he has some reasons to take this course of action and not post from his real account but he should at the very least make a detailed specific point that can be read/understood and then looked in to.

Another sock puppet with 2 posts.

I think #2 relates to the uptick in activity in reputation threads. The ones where someone either posts a very flimsy connection of alts or suspected merit abuse. I know reading some of the threads or comments, I get the feel that it's done in the hopes of gaining merit. Probably doesn't help when people create threads offering merit to connect accounts, "I'll reward you for telling me what I want to know"

#3 could be inline with the last bit or possibly the "tag alongs" I've noticed some members who pretty much only mirror feedback. Maybe they'll change or update but I think quite a few people took to this strategy to work towards DT. Might just be my impression as I've been reviewing a lot of feedback recently.

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I don't really agree with the pleas to administrators. It does show me you don't really have a grasp on how the forum operates in regards to set rules from the top down. Easy mistake most of us take a while to figure out this place is different in that regard. You would be better making your appeal to the general forum members and engaging in the debate with references to get your point across.

I can say this I wish you would express your ideas from your main account. If you haven't done anything that clearly deserves a negative rating it would only help clean out members who shouldn't be "Trusted for fedback" in DT, if anyone tagged you for an unpopular opinion.

I'm sorry, I do not seem to be able to find any kind of value within your post. You seem to be demonstrating clearly the type of behavior referenced in the initial post.
This type of allegation without accompanying evidence seems to be way too prevalent on this forum. There should be clear rules with regard making false allegations or unsubstantiated accusations. 

Are you claiming that I have an alternative account here and that you can prove this?  How is this on topic or any kind of response to my previous post? These low value and quite ugly accusations should be reported and deleted.

Back on topic. I strongly agree with the initial poster, in that the admin or even the board owner should intervene if there are instances where red trust is given out in a frivolous or vindictive manner.

     Posts on this forum are not supposed to be deleted based on whether they are true or not. Otherwise, there would be even a bigger outcry that the moderators are censoring posts. (We already get complaints, but if moderators could delete merely on whether something is true or not, the complaints would go through the roof.) It is not the moderator's responsibility to determine if a allegation is true or not. However, you could report a post as being insubstantial or off topic and it may be deleted.

Admin doesn't need to intervene, the DT community has been doing a good job policing themselves.  Stick around long enough and you'll see members being dropped from DT2 when suspected of distributing tags for frivolous or vindictive reasons.  It's happened at least a couple of times in recent months.

No I disagree. The community needs to decide on these matters. If you feel DT has left you frivolous or unsubstantiated feedback, make your case. It's as simple as that, and the only way to shape the system to work for everyone. If people agree with what you say, it can be discussed with whoever left the feedback, and if people lose confidence in how they proceed, they just might get removed or excluded from enough lists to be removed from DT.

So without references or facts all that happens are these discussions that go around in circles.


Happened to me, got off shift found I had been tagged by a new DT. Went to bed, woke up and they had been removed based on their feedback standards being petty. So I firmly believe the system can be used and made to work for everyone, but we need people to actually participate.

The OP hasn’t provided any substance to his accusations. He’s provided zero evidence, quotes, documents to back up his quite firm statements.

My initial comment to yourself holds some value. You’d only made two posts at the time & one of them was in here. I doubt that you’re a genuine new poster & this is why people will never take threads like this seriously.

If somebody feels they’ve been treated wrongly & or unjustly by current DT Members or Mods then they’d just post from their main account & explain what the issue(s) is.

They also can write a PM to the DT Members if they dont want to make thread or post about !
We are all Humans !

But hide behind an Alt Account dosnt help !

I partly agree with op.
This place definitely needs some cleaning up and I'm all for getting rid of spammers, scammers etc...
But I also think some people here are taking it too far. It seems some are not here to talk about Bitcoin but just to act as policemen.
Who in the hell spends his all day tracking addresses in order to find multi accounts ? That's just crazy. I understand why op says they're doing this to receive merits and get noticed by high rank members.
These guys should relax a bit and enjoy this place, that is of course if they really like Bitcoin.

He is saying the post he quoted is off topic, as it has nothing to do with what is written in the OP.

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I do find the multiple newbie accounts posting here to be annoying. I suspect there is one person behind the multiple newbie accounts trying to create an illusion that a single person is complaining about what the OP is saying, and to create an illusion that the problem described in the OP is exaggerated. Sort of a false flag type thing. Or an attempt to prevent anyone from using an anon newbie account from being taken seriously so anyone who wants to criticize must do so openly, risking their reputation.

Where did the OP state what the exact issue or problem was?

Did he ever state a specific issue and provide evidence? From what I can see it was a generic complaint because he failed to give links pointing to a specific incident.

Not good etiquettes for an OP to start the thread using a newbie alt-account to hide his real user name then not even explain fully what in his opinion the problem is.

Having said that several newbie accounts seem to have taken a keen interest in this thread and they all share the same concern as the OP but have not provided links so the evidence can be seen.

So you are lying on purpose then?


I've been "policing" for over eight years.   You need to be here for a while to know what is happening...

LOL

I love how Vod always comes in & ends threads with a virtual hammer :D

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That would be nice. In an ideal world then yes. With a large proportion of the community having their say then yes again. In our current situation it is quite clear that if a prominent DT1 decides to give red trust for something not directly related to scamming, then admin needs to be called to make a judgement and set a precedent. There are not sufficient guidelines to warrant DT1's causing rifts with other DT1's at this early stage.

This is in relation to frivolous and retributive vindictive red trust that is not related to scamming.

A sample size of 1 incident (in your case) and a handful of persons apparently representing " the community" is not sufficient to dispense with the need of admin guidance and intervention in these initial stages. I see no reason for admin to avoid giving clear guidance on matters where DT's are giving red trust for non scamming incidents if there is any doubt whatsoever.

It appears that increasing the number of DT1 is the only way forward if admin level intervention is to be avoided altogether. You seem to be advocating a very centralized system that also manages to avoid any accountability. I would remind you though that the number of real individuals is likely less than the number of accounts on DT1.

The accusation that people are using alternative accounts, to voice their honest opinions for fear of reprisal, is actually recognition that there is an issue here.

Hardly I see somebody making a case and winning. More the they try to argument/defend more the forum dedicate itself to find the facts and bring out the  more shady facts/past.

Using  newbies account simply means that posting from real account may posses lot more damage to OP , if the real account of OP is dig out.


Do you think anybody complain without any issues?

No, it just appears that way from the angle of perspective you get with your nose implanted firmly upon his rectum.

Show your real face :))

Don't know why are we feeding this user(sockpuppet) with merit ?

Sometimes type of post indicate that OP is sockpuppet of someone. Whoever unable to show their main account they are using sockpuppet. It's really not a good practice and we shouldn't feed them. Let them do their job.

That's a good question even though its not really a question.

Its obviously Thule due to the lack,of,spaces between punctuation .Or the odd insertion of a space where there doesn't need to be one .

That is speculation, just like we are speculating you are not the original nutildah, because that account was listed for sale for 0.3BTC, and the new owner is recently begging for 0.02BTC loans. That kind of poverty spec legend, does not sound like someone from 2014 and a previous dark coin scam shill.  

Besides, it does not matter who delivers observable events or factual information. The information is still valid.

Your account notildah, not having red trust, is just another demonstration that the DT trust scum, are gaming the systems and pushing double standards on the other members of this board.

Let's hope admin takes some action, before this observably untrustworthy bunch of DT members, pulls a huge scam or extortion, and the admin get dragged down for knowingly allowing them into positions of trust when it could have been prevented.

Whatever it is, if someone has to say something, then he must do it from his own "main" account, otherwise it will always looks weak or not honest or false or .....
I know whatever I feel I have to say, it will always come from my single and only account....

My guess is Cryptohunter.

So I will need around 6 years to really know whats happening here DAMN :)

You believe Cryptohunter bought the nutildah account?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1622642.5

I do not think that someone of Cryptohunter's said wealth would be begging for 0.02btc loans, like whatever broke down peasant has nutildah's account now.

Cryptohunter has no wealth. He is so triggered by anyone who is actually wealthy, which makes it very likely that he is just jealous. I bet he lives in some shitty shack in India, staring at a CRT monitor all day.

No... she wishes for a CRT, that would mean she had a PC..  come on mate you know she is rocking a 2011 windows phone

That would be very unlikely, given what is publicly available to read in his post history. Only a jealous fool such as yourself could believe that was true. Keep spamming your gambling sig for some btc crumbs, chump. Fortune jack really does seem to employ some dubious characters. We must look into your past.

Show me proof of wealth and I will take back what I said.

Hey ch...

I think this leaves no doubt whatsoever that cryptohunter is very very rich. Except don't go back more than a few months in his post history lest you find him saying different things about rich people.

I, for one, did not do this.  I don't really care if he's using an alt to voice his complaints; my concern was that he wasn't being specific enough about what he was talking about.  Speaking in generalities oftentimes is not helpful, and it's the case here, and I also just didn't comprehend some of his arguments

Also, you're derailing the thread yourself by complaining about what DT members are doing, and you have an obvious agenda here that's out of place.

Yep.  As I said, I don't care if OP is using an alt, but there's no way to grasp forum politics enough to voice concern without being here a while.  And noobs generally don't just register here and jump into the Meta fray instantly.

No pink rolls royce...he doesn't know how to roll
https://i.imgur.com/6bE46Hk.jpg



Not only, but you will also get some serious medical issues after reading all that


Indeed the problem is not that the OP is using an alt or if he is a jr or a legendary.
The problem is that we already have 40 f***** threads with the same garbage already that went nowhere and none of those created by those "newbies" bring anything new. 0 , zero , nada, the same  never-ending rambling that won't go anywhere

Those are just topics to express someone's frustration, not once has he (them) offered a solution for his complains other than removing the DT system.

No need to take it back. Just continue to look very foolish to any that can review his history here. Be my guest. I feel he was not the type to shy away from telling others of his successes in the recent months to those he knew would be very jealous, people may verify those claims for themselves, or not. I'm sure he does not care.

Let us not detract from what we can clearly see. Nutildah sold/offered for sale his account for 0.3BTC ,  the new owner is recently begging for 0.02btc loans. This person is a DT. I believe that makes nutilldah account a very high risk selection. This post is validating that DT's handing out red trust supported by untrustworthy and dubious accounts must be viewed with caution. This is an opportunist right here.

Oh look, snitchmoon appears,  to add her only 2cents worth. Taking this thread more off topic. I will report her post and see if it gets deleted.
Reading those words of the true legend makes me laugh. That guy has you obsessed with him by messing with you . What a character. Sad that he is no longer with us. The 2 000 000 000 dollar legend all gone, never to return, all because he told the truth about the untrustworthy pasts of suchmoons friends and they wanted to shut him up.  I feel snitchmoon knows the true legend even more than we do such is her extensive continuous reading of his illustrious past. I know who she thinks about when shes alone in the evening.

But enough obsessing over TRUE LEGENDS who fought for fairness and equality for all. Let us focus on the fake legends like nutildah who purchased their accounts for 0.3 BTC or less and now beg for 0.02btc loans whilst supporting observable scammers and liars. Who don't have red trust and find themselves on DT putting honest members at risk far more than justiceforyou another VIP contributor that was trust abused by these red trust  DT bullies.

@ the smarmacist

How can one be derailing the thread by tackling in that thread the very people the initial post is complaining about, whilst they are attempting the same tactics he is mentioning in the initial post? That is quite a stretch even by your own convoluted reasoning

It is fun to see the same faces time and time again, defending their untrustworthy actions, and trying to deflect and derail the focus away from an examination or THEIR behavior.

Who? :D
I had forgotten about that user already, but his name keeps popping up, even though he hasn't been here for 5 days. Ignore the troll and his sockpuppets, or if you do post about him, make it count (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5084723.msg48660255#msg48660255) :D

I wouldn't bet on that.  He probably bought an account is laying low to keep it enrolled in a sig campaign.  Just a hunch.

I see what you did there. :P

I hereby take back what I said. Cryptohunter doesn't sound like a poor pajeet at all. I bet he's the richest guy in his shanty town.

I see it too now, but it was a mistake. My head hurts, that somehow makes the difference between English words that sound the same disappear.

shut up bitch ill buy your town!

shit - that fool sounded like cryptocunt as well