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Economy => Economics => Topic started by: btccredit_io on April 15, 2019, 05:37:55 AM



Title: What is p2p lending
Post by: btccredit_io on April 15, 2019, 05:37:55 AM
https://medium.com/@info_60688/what-is-peer-to-peer-lending-6d714dadc4e2
An article on peer to peer lending by Btccredit to explain the proposition of lenders and borrowers.
Do share your comments and suggestions.


Title: Re: What is p2p lending
Post by: Ailmand on April 15, 2019, 05:49:46 AM
https://medium.com/@info_60688/what-is-peer-to-peer-lending-6d714dadc4e2
An article on peer to peer lending by Btccredit to explain the proposition of lenders and borrowers.
Do share your comments and suggestions.

I think it's more convenient to use p2p lending thank banks. However, with regards to security traditional lending is more secured than p2p lending. P2P lending cuts off interes rates from the bank plus service charge or fees. A lot of p2p lending had popped-out in our country, it's really easy to apply and it only takes hours or days to be approved. The lender takes higher risk since there's no way or limited ways for them to verify credibilty when it comes to timely payment.


Title: Re: What is p2p lending
Post by: traderethereum on April 15, 2019, 06:24:24 AM
According to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer-to-peer_lending):

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Peer-to-peer lending, also abbreviated as P2P lending, is the practice of lending money to individuals or businesses through online services that match lenders with borrowers.

So it will work on the internet, and it doesn't need a high cost of offering the service. Besides that, the P2P Lending can reach in many places over the world so people in other countries can try to lend some money and the other can borrow the money. I think there is a broker of P2P lending in out there, but I don't know which one is recommended.


Title: Re: What is p2p lending
Post by: Crypdon on April 15, 2019, 06:33:38 AM
The risk is on the lender more than the bank, after delivering the coins there isn't much of a chance of getting them back unless legally secured against a valuable asset


Title: Re: What is p2p lending
Post by: btccredit_io on April 15, 2019, 06:45:50 AM
https://medium.com/@info_60688/what-is-peer-to-peer-lending-6d714dadc4e2
An article on peer to peer lending by Btccredit to explain the proposition of lenders and borrowers.
Do share your comments and suggestions.

I think it's more convenient to use p2p lending thank banks. However, with regards to security traditional lending is more secured than p2p lending. P2P lending cuts off interes rates from the bank plus service charge or fees. A lot of p2p lending had popped-out in our country, it's really easy to apply and it only takes hours or days to be approved. The lender takes higher risk since there's no way or limited ways for them to verify credibilty when it comes to timely payment.

You are right. Were the new p2p lending based on crypto or just fiat based?
And about the risk of lender in p2p lending we are offering crypto collateral for borrowers before lending them. This will be not needed in future when users develop their credibility with their successful transactions.


Title: Re: What is p2p lending
Post by: btccredit_io on April 15, 2019, 07:38:05 AM
The risk is on the lender more than the bank, after delivering the coins there isn't much of a chance of getting them back unless legally secured against a valuable asset

I would like to mention here that on our platform there is a system that borrower has to deposit a collateral in Bitcoin or BTCC tokens, then only he can get loan. So the lender's fund is safe. Our goal is to ensure the fund protection and help others in need.


Title: Re: What is p2p lending
Post by: Astvile on April 15, 2019, 08:26:35 AM
P2p way of lending money i think is alot reliable then lending money from the bank,in p2p lending you can talk about the rates of interest and not be forced to pay in huge interest.Compared to bank where you need to pay huge fix interest rate


Title: Re: What is p2p lending
Post by: btccredit_io on April 15, 2019, 09:44:08 AM
P2p way of lending money i think is alot reliable then lending money from the bank,in p2p lending you can talk about the rates of interest and not be forced to pay in huge interest.Compared to bank where you need to pay huge fix interest rate

Exactly, the borrower gets the right to decide his rates and so does the lender.


Title: Re: What is p2p lending
Post by: shield132 on April 15, 2019, 10:01:59 AM
Banks are the worst thing but I highly doubt p2p lending has any future, especially with cryptocurrency. One day price is x, another day - y and this diffetence can hugely affect any lending company which plans to take care of thousand people.
Let's say truth, no one likes taking loan and we usually take when really need but also consider the fact that usually demand is from people who can't pay back. With p2p lending, risks of lender is huge, so logically demand will be very, very low. Also p2p has nothing to do with fees, I can set high pay interest, doesn't matter it's bank or p2p, I can set. So in this aspect, banks are and still will be leaders.


Title: Re: What is p2p lending
Post by: Ailmand on April 15, 2019, 11:51:21 AM
https://medium.com/@info_60688/what-is-peer-to-peer-lending-6d714dadc4e2
An article on peer to peer lending by Btccredit to explain the proposition of lenders and borrowers.
Do share your comments and suggestions.

I think it's more convenient to use p2p lending thank banks. However, with regards to security traditional lending is more secured than p2p lending. P2P lending cuts off interes rates from the bank plus service charge or fees. A lot of p2p lending had popped-out in our country, it's really easy to apply and it only takes hours or days to be approved. The lender takes higher risk since there's no way or limited ways for them to verify credibilty when it comes to timely payment.

You are right. Were the new p2p lending based on crypto or just fiat based?
And about the risk of lender in p2p lending we are offering crypto collateral for borrowers before lending them. This will be not needed in future when users develop their credibility with their successful transactions.

Currenlty they are just offering fiat. What lacks on their system is the collateral. They only require KYC and necessary documents, the first loan is just small just like 20$ payable within 15 days with an interest of 10%.
Once clients paid his/her first loan they can get higher loan amount on their next loan.

In this part, lender is at risk, a lot of clients are not paying them on their first or second loan. Lender won't even bother reporting this since the cost of filing a case and hiring a lawyer will cost more than the loan. ;D


Title: Re: What is p2p lending
Post by: Indamuck on April 15, 2019, 12:08:09 PM
The risk is on the lender more than the bank, after delivering the coins there isn't much of a chance of getting them back unless legally secured against a valuable asset

The majority of people get credit without collateral.  They hand out credit cards like candy to anyone with a pulse.  Most people pay back or at least attempt to, lenders make money off volume.  Of course there will always be a few people that can't repay but they work on averages. 


Title: Re: What is p2p lending
Post by: Beerwizzard on April 15, 2019, 01:08:17 PM
1. First of all you should move your thread to service discussion. Here no one really gives a shit about the project you are advertising.
2. You have creates 2 almost the same threads in a single section. That's called a spam and it is more likely that those threads would be deleted and maybe your acc get banned.
3. Advertising your service by violating forum rules is not  a wise move.


Title: Re: What is p2p lending
Post by: jjjfff on April 15, 2019, 02:41:57 PM
According to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer-to-peer_lending):

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Peer-to-peer lending, also abbreviated as P2P lending, is the practice of lending money to individuals or businesses through online services that match lenders with borrowers.

So it will work on the internet, and it doesn't need a high cost of offering the service. Besides that, the P2P Lending can reach in many places over the world so people in other countries can try to lend some money and the other can borrow the money. I think there is a broker of P2P lending in out there, but I don't know which one is recommended.

I think that definition is wrong.

If there's a middleman that matches lenders with borrowers then it's no longer P2P.


Title: Re: What is p2p lending
Post by: Gozie51 on April 15, 2019, 03:39:52 PM
I think one of the major factors in P2P lending is that it is less formal because from the name, it is interpersonal kind of transaction and so the rules might not be strict.


Title: Re: What is p2p lending
Post by: sheenshane on April 15, 2019, 04:13:42 PM
If you have a great community and mutual friends within the industry, p2p lend would fit with your needs. However, you must make sure to ask some help to the people who you would trust and will let you a comeback if you went down and became broke. In cryptocurrency, you have to accept that the time won't always be with your side. Sometimes you will also fall and you have the choice to stand or let yourself lying down and weak.

So you have to choose the people who will be able to back you up. Let you borrow theirs and will also help you stand up and pay them back in 2,000% interest. 2,000% interest means paying them back with things they couldn't afford using their money. Like loyalty, trustworthiness and being friends with them.


Title: Re: What is p2p lending
Post by: avikz on April 15, 2019, 04:22:37 PM
https://medium.com/@info_60688/what-is-peer-to-peer-lending-6d714dadc4e2
An article on peer to peer lending by Btccredit to explain the proposition of lenders and borrowers.
Do share your comments and suggestions.

I won't go into the definition of the p2p lending because it is already available in various resource which can be fetched through Google search! Rather, I would tell you about my experiences with it! It is a failed business idea in crypto space! BTCJAM was one of the pioneers of crypto p2p lending which closed down their operations back in 2017 or in 2018 beginning. I had an account and I used to lend to a lot of highly ranked borrowers. Only 90% people defaulted and I received only 10% of my investment back. I would be at least 4 bitcoins richer today if I had avoided this p2p lending business back in 2016 and 2017. It's a flawed business idea because you can't really track down a person in Nigeria from USA for few hundred dollars! 


Title: Re: What is p2p lending
Post by: stompix on April 19, 2019, 02:47:13 PM
Hahahahahah, what garbage!!!!

Let's see what the OP propose with his "project".

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By using USDT as a medium of exchange the System fees for borrower will be 0.25%.
When Bitcoins are pledged as collateral, borrower has to pay the interest as per the Loan contract.

Borrower can borrow upto 75% LTV of the collateral value by pledging BTCC Token.
Borrower can borrow upto 60% LTV of the collateral value by pledging Bitcoin.

Seriously?  Probably people working in banks are calling 911 while choking from such laughter!!!!

So I go to your platform, deposit 10 BTC worth 50 000 euros and you loan me 30 000 euros!!!
 ;D ;D ;D ;D

Are you people out of your f mind?


Title: Re: What is p2p lending
Post by: Haunebu on April 19, 2019, 03:54:05 PM
I won't go into the definition of the p2p lending because it is already available in various resource which can be fetched through Google search! Rather, I would tell you about my experiences with it! It is a failed business idea in crypto space! BTCJAM was one of the pioneers of crypto p2p lending which closed down their operations back in 2017 or in 2018 beginning. I had an account and I used to lend to a lot of highly ranked borrowers. Only 90% people defaulted and I received only 10% of my investment back. I would be at least 4 bitcoins richer today if I had avoided this p2p lending business back in 2016 and 2017. It's a flawed business idea because you can't really track down a person in Nigeria from USA for few hundred dollars! 
4 freaking BTC? Damn. I always knew that the p2p model was not sustainable or feasible in the long term due to the risks involved, but I did not know that this model was so heavily flawed in the crypto world.

Why do people even bother when there are way better alternatives out there? Plain stupidity.


Title: Re: What is p2p lending
Post by: carter34 on April 19, 2019, 04:05:10 PM
It's a flawed business idea because you can't really track down a person in Nigeria from USA for few hundred dollars! 

This is exactly the issue with p2p. Once you are cheated, then forget it ;D

It involves high level of trust.

I should say is more like cryptocurrency itself, decentralized  ;D


Title: Re: What is p2p lending
Post by: Bitinity on April 20, 2019, 05:21:43 PM
Hahahahahah, what garbage!!!!

Let's see what the OP propose with his "project".

Quote
By using USDT as a medium of exchange the System fees for borrower will be 0.25%.
When Bitcoins are pledged as collateral, borrower has to pay the interest as per the Loan contract.

Borrower can borrow upto 75% LTV of the collateral value by pledging BTCC Token.
Borrower can borrow upto 60% LTV of the collateral value by pledging Bitcoin.

Seriously?  Probably people working in banks are calling 911 while choking from such laughter!!!!

So I go to your platform, deposit 10 BTC worth 50 000 euros and you loan me 30 000 euros!!!
 ;D ;D ;D ;D

Are you people out of your f mind?

Nice catch and it is obviously not good service/offer. People will prefer to do real p2p lending in this forum with trusted member. The process is basically the same but the amount of the loan we can get by p2p lending in this forum will be higher as most lenders are requiring collateral with 120% value of the loaned amount.


Title: Re: What is p2p lending
Post by: Quidat on April 20, 2019, 05:33:10 PM
I won't go into the definition of the p2p lending because it is already available in various resource which can be fetched through Google search! Rather, I would tell you about my experiences with it! It is a failed business idea in crypto space! BTCJAM was one of the pioneers of crypto p2p lending which closed down their operations back in 2017 or in 2018 beginning. I had an account and I used to lend to a lot of highly ranked borrowers. Only 90% people defaulted and I received only 10% of my investment back. I would be at least 4 bitcoins richer today if I had avoided this p2p lending business back in 2016 and 2017. It's a flawed business idea because you can't really track down a person in Nigeria from USA for few hundred dollars! 
4 freaking BTC? Damn. I always knew that the p2p model was not sustainable or feasible in the long term due to the risks involved, but I did not know that this model was so heavily flawed in the crypto world.

Why do people even bother when there are way better alternatives out there? Plain stupidity.
Its always been the risk involved behind these p2p lending business.We say it is really flawed but there are still investors who do still sustain into this field.Not all people who do plan to have a lending business would succeed.
4 BTC is freaking a big amount and you cant really do anything yet tracing them down wont be an easy task and it would even cost you more.This is why most lendors of this forum do ask out some collateral which is more than on the amount you are borrowing incase they decided out to default.


Title: Re: What is p2p lending
Post by: OrangeSeller on April 21, 2019, 06:50:19 AM
https://medium.com/@info_60688/what-is-peer-to-peer-lending-6d714dadc4e2
An article on peer to peer lending by Btccredit to explain the proposition of lenders and borrowers.
Do share your comments and suggestions.

I think it's more convenient to use p2p lending thank banks. However, with regards to security traditional lending is more secured than p2p lending. P2P lending cuts off interes rates from the bank plus service charge or fees. A lot of p2p lending had popped-out in our country, it's really easy to apply and it only takes hours or days to be approved. The lender takes higher risk since there's no way or limited ways for them to verify credibilty when it comes to timely payment.
I haven't fully understood how this p2p lending works because I have a lot of concerns, and one of this concern I have is that how can the lender be sure that he/she is going to get their money back in due time, since this is the blockchain space and you don't need to see the other party before you would be able to make transaction with them, I have been thinking of a method that would be suitable and save for both the lender and the borrower but I haven't seen any method yet, so how does this really works.


Title: Re: What is p2p lending
Post by: Russlenat on April 21, 2019, 07:40:34 AM
P2p way of lending money i think is alot reliable then lending money from the bank,in p2p lending you can talk about the rates of interest and not be forced to pay in huge interest.Compared to bank where you need to pay huge fix interest rate
In the bank loans, you have the options to choose of whether a fixed or flexible rate of interest charge to the total loan amounts.
Or it can be a fixed rate for the 4 years and flexible on the remaining periods. But the common advantages of P2P credit systems is the low on interest rates compare to banks even the credit score you have from the bank records aren't as good.


Title: Re: What is p2p lending
Post by: finzyoj on April 21, 2019, 07:56:38 AM
The risk is on the lender more than the bank, after delivering the coins there isn't much of a chance of getting them back unless legally secured against a valuable asset
That is right! But the lender got a protection against such circumstances. Actually, I sometimes go to Lending section of this forum to find something interesting in there and also taking a chance to learn someting new and here's what I noticed. The lender do not easily accept applicants, they interview it first mostly asking about their means of living or how they gonna pay their debt. Then if both parties agree, the applicant should give a collateral before closong the deal. The purpose of it is to let the lender at least get something valuable if the applicant suddenly btoke their deal. Collaterals could be in a form of crypto or crypto, bitcointalk account is not accepted.


Title: Re: What is p2p lending
Post by: samputin on April 21, 2019, 10:04:43 AM
The risk is on the lender more than the bank, after delivering the coins there isn't much of a chance of getting them back unless legally secured against a valuable asset

I would like to mention here that on our platform there is a system that borrower has to deposit a collateral in Bitcoin or BTCC tokens, then only he can get loan. So the lender's fund is safe. Our goal is to ensure the fund protection and help others in need.

Ah! My question in mind has been answered. Risk is more on the lender's part and that kinda bothered me. Also, there was nothing mentioned in the article about collateral (as far as I can recall) so I wondered that if I was the lender, how will I be guaranteed that what I will lend will return to me, right? But since you have already mentioned about it, then I was relieved. At least, I am ensured that my fund is protected.

PS. If you are advertising this platform of yours, maybe you should move this article to a different section. Services section, perhaps?


Title: Re: What is p2p lending
Post by: SixOfFive on April 21, 2019, 10:48:00 AM
https://medium.com/@info_60688/what-is-peer-to-peer-lending-6d714dadc4e2
An article on peer to peer lending by Btccredit to explain the proposition of lenders and borrowers.
Do share your comments and suggestions.

P2P lending is a good concept and getting popular in crypto world,  but security and trust is big issue in this concept.  P2p lending is much cheaper and fast.  Cheaper because banks or other financial institutions is not involved in between so their interest cut and institution running cost is saved,  so it both lender and buyer got its benefit.  Moreover legal formalities can also be lenient and easy to fulfill.  But trust between two panties is the major factor for any such transaction,  which is really difficult to fulfill.


Title: Re: What is p2p lending
Post by: maianh09 on April 21, 2019, 11:01:31 AM
https://medium.com/@info_60688/what-is-peer-to-peer-lending-6d714dadc4e2
An article on peer to peer lending by Btccredit to explain the proposition of lenders and borrowers.
Do share your comments and suggestions.

I think it's more convenient to use p2p lending thank banks. However, with regards to security traditional lending is more secured than p2p lending. P2P lending cuts off interes rates from the bank plus service charge or fees. A lot of p2p lending had popped-out in our country, it's really easy to apply and it only takes hours or days to be approved. The lender takes higher risk since there's no way or limited ways for them to verify credibilty when it comes to timely payment.
Although lenders exposed to many risks, the profits they earn are very high. There are many similar services available on this forum, and this is a service that many people use. To minimize risks, lenders only make unsecured loans to people with positive credibility. On the contrary, you must mortgage some equivalent assets to secure the loan.


Title: Re: What is p2p lending
Post by: Naida_BR on April 24, 2019, 08:40:36 AM
P2P lending would be a revolutionary ecosystem if it can be implemented with the help of the blockchain technology and can be totally decentralized.
I wanted to start my own p2p lending company but still trust is an issue for this. The one problem is the assurance that the people who gets the money should give to the lender if he is not able to return the money back.
Collaterals like Bitcointalk accounts etc. aren't a guaranteed strategy in my opinion.


Title: Re: What is p2p lending
Post by: Vaskiy on April 24, 2019, 08:47:35 AM
It is just the common form of lending that we see within our forum. Here no intermediary is found, no added charges same as that of the banking and collateral is a must. With banking there is a need for referral, collateral, then documentation charges. With p2p lending everything happens through internet ans this makes it riskier to the lending person.


Title: Re: What is p2p lending
Post by: stompix on April 24, 2019, 11:42:50 AM
But the common advantages of P2P credit systems is the low on interest rates compare to banks even the credit score you have from the bank records aren't as good.

Really? You have some numbers to back this claim?
Btcpop has 15%, Ing has 6%

It is just the common form of lending that we see within our forum. Here no intermediary is found, no added charges same as that of the banking and collateral is a must. With banking there is a need for referral, collateral, then documentation charges. With p2p lending everything happens through internet ans this makes it riskier to the lending person.

Yeah, and everything is so perfect, let's get rid of the banks because we have this marvelous system. /sarcasm

So, let's take this scenario
a) traditional
- I went to the bank, filled the paperwork got a loan and I bought my house, close to 200k euros.

b) p2p
- I must gather 300k euros in coins , deposit them and I get a 200k loan so I can buy my 200k.....
If you don't see what is wrong with it then.....


Title: Re: What is p2p lending
Post by: StarofBTC on April 25, 2019, 05:34:23 AM
If you ask me I'd say that p2p is no better option because you're still going to give an asset that is worth the same amount of cash that you're borrowing from the platform. You're giving your asset because you don't want to sell it and you think that the price of the asset is going to increase, so you want to keep it locked in p2p lending and borrow cash and get back your assets when you return the cash you have borrowed with the interests.

I don't really fancy that, cause I'm not even sure of the assets, cryptocurrency is something volatile and you don't really know where it's heading to.