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John McAfee claims to know the identity of Satoshi and has made several twitter posts suggesting he will reveal the identity if the they do not reveal themselves.

https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/1118574492538875904?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1118574492538875904&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccn.com%2Fjohn-mcafee-satoshi-nakmoto-identity-countdown-bitcoin

https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/1118583356915159042?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1118583356915159042&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccn.com%2Fjohn-mcafee-satoshi-nakmoto-identity-countdown-bitcoin

https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/1118569049871482885?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1118569049871482885&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccn.com%2Fjohn-mcafee-satoshi-nakmoto-identity-countdown-bitcoin

I don't know if he really knows who he is, but he is probably the most credible person to come forwards claiming to know or be him. That itself is not really difficult with the string of charlatans who have pretended in the past, but it is entirely possible given his past that he does know and again entirely possible this is just another John McAfee PR stunt.

Another move by McAfee, during the bull-market a lot of crypto enthusiasts are following his posts on twitter, waiting for his post what next altcoin will be pumped. However, a lot of people were disappointed with him since this a lot of them lost a lot of money after the bull-market. After that a lot of people had distrusted him and stopped following what he has to say. So, I guess this might be another move for him to get attention after being silent for a while.

Hasn't McAfee got enough on his plate already, what with his presidential bid and figuring out how he's going to eat his own dick?

How will he "reveal" him exactly? McAfee: "Person X is Satoshi". Person X: "No I'm not". How can McAfee prove that someone else is Satoshi? Not that it matters, since like everything McAfee says, it's complete nonsense.

Perhaps we can stop giving idiots like McAfee and CSW the attention they seek by opening a new thread every time they tweet something?

Another of McAfee's antics which I gladly wouldn't buy. There are a lot of things in his posts in the past that doesn't seem to be right, or just generates hype and nothing more. It'll be interesting though if he really comes into a single man that has the credentials, the qualifications and the intelligence that has crafted the whitepaper and can explain it thoroughly in front of the world (though we know that that will not happen). For sure this is just another trick of McAfee to make his name ring again and not really help the community into identifying Satoshi.

At this point, only the newbies are interested into knowing who Satoshi is.

McAffee is seeking attention. Unless the "Satoshi" he will reveal would consent to provide the cryptographic proof that he's Satoshi, it's all only blah-blah.
However, I'm waiting patiently the end of 2020 to see McAffee doing ... interesting things at public television  ;D

Another incident to seek attention from the people. Since CSW's topic is fresh to the media and community, he's adding flavor and salt to the topic so that he won't miss the publicity that he might get with this.

I don't really care if he know satoshi or not or he's telling the truth or not. Satoshi will never claim himself unless proven by the way that the community wants him to prove himself, not just with claims that 'hey I know who satoshi is'.

McAfee is a real attention whore, he likes to pull ridiculous stunts to get attention and that keeps him relevant. He will also do anything for money, even shilling for Alt coins that has no chance to succeed. <Pay him and he will tweet anything you want him to say>  ::)

His "Dick eating" stunt has lingered in the media for many months and nothing happened, so that should show you how credible his announcements and comments are.  ::)  - Just ignore the guy, because it is worthless energy wasted on something that will not happen.  ::)

Just another drama to get an attention from the crypto community. I would not be surprised if there will be another claims in the near future. CSW claims to be Satoshi, now John McAfee claims to know who Satoshi is/are. Who next?
If he really know who is Satoshi, he should reveal it without announce it first as it is useless and no one will care about the claim.

What is with all these 'Satoshi Revelation' threads all of a sudden recently? Hilarious. How in the world do rich people like CSW and McAfee end up ruining their popularity for all the wrong reasons?

These claims will only be remembered for a couple of days after and they know it which is why I wish they would used their power and fame for positive reasons instead.

McAfee is really stupid. His name should be "Fakefee". Some day he will claim that he is satoshi. He just want to get attention from public and again will give fake predictions. Although I never followed his predictions but many people's lost money due to his fake predictions. What will happened if satoshi expose himself? I don't think he will expose himself. Just few stupid saying they are satoshi or they know who is satoshi but still now no one can prove that.

So we should avoid this kind stupid news. Leave satoshi to stay anonymous. Satoshi is turn into community now, so let's build it more stronger.

McAfee is a guy who found a way to earn bunch of money just for trash talking.

He has charisma to attract people and believe him - like some politicians.

When his statements turn to be correct he is making like a big boom and on the other hands he just play cool.

This is madness.
Does the man dont have something to do with his life?! ;D
Yes he will spill a name somewhere in the future but will it be believed?

The sad thing is if the man doesnt even know a thing about it and yet he is being targeted and accused with something he did not do.

We should really not believe a crazy guy by now. Everyone will claim it and so is he. Right?

So many individuals have come out to claim they are santoshi Nakamoto and until now the real identity of santoshi, but I believe the community of bitcoin lovers are santoshi may be santoshi is an acronym and it means the whole community of bitcoin users.

Two Individual who love to create News for their own benefits are John McAfee and Craig Wright. Both of them are hated and loved of all the wrong reason. People tend to believe them and later repent when they loose their hard earned money.

I always enjoy whenever they are in News. That is what I am doing now, rather following them blindly.  ;)  

just FYI last time McAfee was doing the same thing and tried so hard every day to increase his "popularity" he was using it to earn a shitton of money. in fact he was getting paid $100,000 for every single tweet.
i wouldn't be surprised if this was a build up towards some advertisement that he was paid to do...

We will see another drama from McAfee. Yesterday, we saw Craig Wright claims that he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto, and right now, we will see another claim from McAfee, but I am not sure if he will claim that he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto like Craig Wright.
Why they are so curious and really want to reveal who is Satoshi Nakamoto? Why don't they let him to works in the other project without any disturbing sounds from them?
But let's wait for what McAfee says about Satoshi Nakamoto and see what public will react about that.

No one would really care but there are people who do watch closely with these guys tweets and now we are creating again these kind of threads and i do rather believe that
these news are created just to cover up the current CW issues or do just redirect peoples attention to this nonsense news.

McAfee came to firm in crypto during the bull run with some of his predictions and the allegation that he does collect money from project developers in other to tweet their coin been the coin of the week for a price hike. While some traders made some gain, majority made loses due to FOMO buying. Transcodium was an ICO that listed him as one of their advisers, when that coin got listed, it just turn a shit, till date. Investors money gone. So people no-longer take McAfee serious in the space. This his new claim will end up hitting a dead end.

This is another PR move from John McAfee.I wouldn't be surprised if he finally declared himself Satoshi Nakamoto.)Personally I don't care who Satoshi Nakamoto(if it exists) and where it is.In any case, the product he created will remain with all mankind for millennia.

I’m actually sorry for him because he seems like he can do anything to get more “attention”. I used to have some respect for him but now i don’t believe even one word from him. He makes money by talking weird things.

He claims so many thing. Question is have you believe to him for just once?

I never believe that he is completely manipulator and FUDders! Don't take him serious.

Dude I remember this saying. And I think he only got 1 more year left for him to eat his dick on television. I take this as a funny thing for him. I bet he'll lose.

John McAfee is doing some shit move again that will not benefit him in the long run. It will make people have their disbelief on him for this. What if the future scenario will be, he reveals himself as Satoshi? What in the world is happening now if that happens. First its Craig now it's him.

In the past, McAfee has been known to say a lot of things towards cryptocurrency with regards to anything whether it be a negative or a positive thing about crypto. I can think of two cases with it

• He knows the Real Satoshi (group of people)
• He is just bluffing and just using it to make him more famous than he already is

It's just those two things, I don't know what other possible motivation to do that. I have been told that there are a number of people are "Satoshi" they say they are above 20+ people but still, no matter what people say, it's not going to be true unless proven otherwise.

This is again a move by John McAfee. He remains silent for years and many people in the crypto world are ignoring him. In this way again he finally gains another attention of the people. I don't really know if its true what he was saying but, One thing I am sure. He is John McAfee and he will do anything for the bull run of bitcoin.

macafee is just blabbing, he doesn't know the real identity of satoshi, no one does i guess. lots of smart people have tried to solve mysterious identity of satoshi but have failed. satoshi forever will be anonymous.

McAfee can understand. First - he earns it. Secondly - old already, I want to talk with people. Does he know Satoshi? This question is completely unimportant. Someone listens to him. Someone - will laugh.

Why now, why not when people and the media are in the hype looking for Satoshi Nakamoto, when did he find out the identity of Nakamoto, I will not believe until he really who Satoshi Nakamoto really his and be will become the most famous guy on Earth for revealing who Nakamoto really is. I think this guy is just doing media stunt, he really does not know the identity of Nakamoto.

Just remember that this old retard is a good friend of Roger Ver and a strong supporter of their "true Bitcoin" BCH. So as we see making a scamcoin and calling it a real bitcoin is usual business for him so it is hard to imagine what kind of bullshit he will show this time. Feels like it would be related to BTCSV but anyway, that's gons be some shady shit.

i mean i don't know if i can believe any other guy claim he know satoshi. John McAfee is one of the biggest influencer in cryptocurrency atleast for me. you can trust his word. (i was being sarcastic)

Well, it is more than likely that his identity , or the group if it is so, will be revealed. Of course we do not know, as we are not psychics or fortune tellers, but realistically, it's better if it does so the Bitcoin community may be at peace knowing the full truth of who created it. BTC will live on regardless though, but hopefully Mr. John McAfee encourages this group of people to come forward. lol

He is a pioneer of any community since people know him and he has an identity but satoshi for that name alone people will have great faith. Whether you reveal it or not. Nothing will change for satoshi's name and people love towards him.
May be you could ask the forum admin to know who is satoshi but John you cannot do anything to identify the Satoshi Nakamoto.

McAfee wants not to lose public attention. He wants to be talked about. Therefore, coming up with a variety of information, claiming the role of sensation. While one thing is clear: if Satoshi Nakamoto himself does not want to declare, no one can force him to do so. And he does not seem to want to do this. So all this is nothing more than words.

McAfee is an attention-seeker who is not to be taken seriously. He just happens to have more energy than most people his age. He's the same guy who claimed if bitcoin does not hit $1 million by 2020, he will eat his own appendage. From what I understand he's on the run from the U.S. government for not filing taxes. It will be interesting to see what happens to him in the coming years.

It is a very low probability that he really knows who Satoshi is. But then it appears the hypothesis in which he knows Satoshi's identity and that is why he made that bold bet. He might know something we don't. But however I wouldn't put much weight on his statement.

I went to read comments on his twitter and it seems that he is serious, I do not think he would be so stupid to invent a lie as big as this. even if I do not approve of his behavior, this time I want to see how he will get away with this new series that he has gotten into. I will give the following title for this new series: "jonh, in search of satoshi"


You mean he's a friend of the ex-bitcoin Jesus, this crypto world is full of jokes.

John McAfee, credible?

Like the way he does paid promotional tweets to pump altcoins? Or maybe you're referring to his plan to eat his dick on live television? Or the way he was suspected of a gruesome murder a few years ago and was found civilly liable for the man's death?

Sounds like a really credible dude. It's too bad the Craig Wright debacle shows these sorts of lies can go a lot further than one might expect.

Probably it's a new trick of Mr. McAfee to divert peoples mind from the fact where he predicted Bitcoin price to be $1m by 2020 (2020? am I correct?) or he will eat his DICK publicly.

He started the gameplay early because everything needs time to establish and crypto peoples in numbers are not less, it's in millions.
So to divert millions of peoples mind from the main fact, he played something different now.  ::)

The thing I am most curious to know is: is Satoshi still alive? That's the thing that drives me crazy more than anything else. If he is still alive, why did he suddenly stop being involved with bitcoin? Why has he never moved his coins? Why he never came back, even when someone else claimed to be Satoshi?

Thankyou for amalgamating this collection of his rants in one place, was an amusing read for me. How can any of us give him any credibility at all considering he should be eating his own dick after earlier statements he made. He may have an elevated position of power/status but he has only used this to further himself through advertising and attention to his own projects in the past.
Not a credible source at all and highly unlikely that he knows anything about satoshi's identity at all.

He will never change! We can except nothing useful except another drama like Craig Wright! No one knows exactly who is the Satoshi and this mystery will not end! Because some people say Satoshi is already dead, some people claim ed that Satoshi still holding lots of Bitcoin and anytime he can appear! So, whatever John Fucking Mcafee said, We shouldn't care! Because this man is not useful for the crypto anymore!

Most of us now know who McAfee is
just a juggler tries to re-attract attention to him
John McAfee = FUD
I do not forget his recommendations on failed Tokens projects

This clown doesn't know what to do anymore to get more retweets on Twitter. He surely takes a whiskey bottle and a couple of acids before login in twitter account. If his story was real that not something he will publish on Twitter but rather on TV.

for me, it's just another move to get public attention. Well, I am sure Satoshi was well aware not to use any anti-virus program (especially McAfee  ;D) while he was involved with digital coin. I mean common even if McAfee finds out who Satoshi is can they really let it out considering the fact that "They are using public information" to find him. if they want to expose him they also have to accept that they are tracking every device without users will.

Wow, breathtaking if it really ends up holding weight because those are some serious claims to make. I don't know whether to be excited or to feel shame that Satoshi may have been found. He's a hero to some, but a villain to others. It really puts a spin on you're moral conpass.  :-[
   However, I think only time will tell, the rest iseems like gossip until proven otherwise.

I don't know this type of discussion always appear whilst I don't care about who is satoshi and I don't care if there is someone who reveal that he is the real satoshi. This doesn't make sense for me. The real satoshi will hide himself from the public because he will close himself to be known by other people. This is concerning to the anonymity of bitcoin user, yeah I guess he always hope bitcoin users will hide their identity from the public. A few years before I like John McAfee but now I don't.

I'm really believing right now that it is truth. Why? Because he is also telling weird things. Some things i kinda agree with him, like the future of Bitcoin's price.

But seriously, is he really dead? He is probably really rich right now and he truly deserves it. And he will show himself someday if he really wants to. I don't think that he really wants fame or he would be famous already and i kinda share his point of view.

A signed message from one of Satoshi's addresses - that's all everyone needs to see and to believe, not a Craig Wright stunt or John McAffee one. I don't know why the media keeps on regurgitating such stories.

Funny guy. I hope he is on drugs or his account was compromised while writing these tweets. He is just an attention seeking whore who is giving community fake promise since 2017. Stop giving him the attention and move on.

We can be sure he is on Drugs, and it's some hard shit because talk about Satoshi that way is even disrespectful! If we want to place a bet about who will end first in jail, we can be sure the winner would be John and not Satoshi.

This John "fucking" McAfee is just shit talking to get people attention that's all.

For sure i know who would that be?isnt it Craig “Satoshi Nakamoto “Wright?😂😂😂

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Or at the end of the day John McAfee will also claim he was Satoshi?damn if this happen i will never open thread than mentioned both their name again lol

Because that will be a total craziness to us cryptonians

I am also waiting for the thing that he said that he will eat his own "d**k" if Bitcoin did not reach a certain price that he said on a specific period of time. ;D He may be completely speaking nonsense sometimes but he got influence in the crypto world and some people believe in what he is saying but I think there is nothing wrong about predicting the price of Bitcoin because we are in a speculative asset industry.

Nah just let them tweet what they want to tweet on Twitter or any social media sites it's part of the freedom of speech. :D

People should not pay attention to McAfee, he is probably just wanting to increase his views or likes on his social media by making outrageous claims that never come to fruition. There is no need to get angry either, just, ignore him.

It's not about credibility (remember when he said, he'll eat his penis if btc doesn't reach some usd?), he just knows how to keep hype around himself.

Let's see how this one unfolds.

he doesn't have to be on drugs or have his account hacked to act like this, what you see is his "normal" behavior. you can't really expect more than this from an attention whore which has proven over the past 2 years that he is willing to do anything to gain the attention, of course he uses that attention to make thousands of dollars easily. and this is no different.

This is just to get the community to excite, we all know Mcafee's antics I still not get over with his I will eat my dick if Bitcoin will not reach 1 million dollars in 2020, I don't know if he really knew the guy, but why now, why not when a lot of so-called real  Nakamoto's are coming up, I bet the end of this is he will not reveal it and will make an alibi that Nakamoto came to him to ask not to reveal him the ending is pretty obvious.

jeah mcafee give those idiots hell,

reveal your satoshi and them sell them his satoshi vision "token"

so many idiots in this world, he will be successful.

I, too, think that the behavior and manner of presentation of the information that McAfee says and shows are more like an eccentric person than a serious investor.

People should stop giving this man attention, he's just spreading bullshit, if he knows who satoshi is he should reveal it right away and not make a sequel to his twitter post, he didn't even re-read his post just misspell a word, showing he is just shitposting in his twitter account like he usually do.

The only influence he has is over "get-rich-quick" chasing newbies and idiots. No one with any sense or understanding of crypto pays any attention to what McAfee says. You can see this from his "coin of the day" nonsense from the end of 2017. He was being paid over $100,000 to shill each project on twitter, which then doubled in price over the next few hours, before dumping again. Every one of these projects has turned out to be utter trash. He got a tattoo of some nonsense called Skycoin, which has lost >95% of its value since then.

He has no real influence, and no one should pay any heed to anything he says. I really wish we could stop creating new threads every time he makes another ridiculous assertion.

I don't think that he can do that because he is not Satoshi himself. We don't have to follow him until he can prove himself as the real Satoshi and meanwhile, we could let him talk more about the claiming and it's better to us to focus with the market. I think that in someday, he will feel tired to claim to be Satoshi and he will stop nonsense argue in public.

It's coming from the man who said he is fucking (sexually mind you) some whale in the certain island.

Hard for me to trust him, but if he keeps his promise to eat his own dick in national TV if bitcoin price was lower than his prediction I will consider it, well it's not like I hate money but yeah I admit it's must hilarious to see it.

"That itself is not really difficult with the string of charlatans who have pretended in the past,"

Credible compared to the others, that's not to say he's credible himself.

Don't get me wrong, anyone who knows a little about John McAfee knows the guy is a looney and an egotist.

Anyone who has seen "Gringo: The Dangerous Life of John McAfee" ( https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6071534/ ) knows just how much of a nutcase he is [spoiler]real life john wick[/spoiler]

So I'm not saying he's a credible person by any means but let's give the man the credit he deserves. he wrote McAfee AV in 1987~ back when that was impressive and ran it until 1997 when he sold and made millions.

He was also really bitter with his departure from McAfee and how they controlled the company when he sold his majority shares. He wanted to discredit the company by giving himself bad PR because the name of the AV is linked to his name and he thought he could destroy the company by acting insane... I think he did too many drugs though and stopped pretending at some point.

The point is... he obviously isn't stupid and it is possible through his work that he may have made the connections needed to know, and it's entirely possible it's just john being john. I just thought people might be interested. And as someone else said, reading the comments on his posts he does seem serious about it. I guess we'll see in a few days :popcorn:

It seems to me that this is another PR from McAfee. In many of his statements, there were false or unrealized predictions that disappointed many of the people who previously believed him. I am not negative about McAfee, but I don’t have any positive feelings for him either. He, like hundreds of analysts and forecasters of the market just like him, just catches the HYIP on the topic of the crypto and everything connected with it. I do not think this is right, but I do not condemn them. But personally, I do not think that McAfee knows who Satoshi really is. And it seems to me that Satoshi is not one person, but a whole team of developers who came up with the embodiment of their creation in the person of one person.

Ha ha so funny.

His company's focus was to make money, not to stop hackers.

That's why the anti-virus software doesn't stop all viruses, it ONLY stops known viruses.
By his design he made it so that he would have a continuous stream of money coming in - you need all the updates all the time.

I've no idea why some people think anything positive about him.

So not only did he create one of the first anti-virus programs, he actually did the opposite of what you said and tried to make it detect viruses that they didn't know the signatures/checksums for.

Edit: Misread the quote, he may not have pioneered heuristics for AV but McAfee AV and almost all modern AV these days have such things - which obviously are not fool proof.

All these bullshit claims by people. If anyone knew about Satoshi, we have had his identity already. What is better to get publicity and pump the prices of coins by revealing the identity of Satoshi. John McAfee has always been a troll. He's earning good through then why not. I guess with all these rumours, shit remarks and tweets, he would have earned billions. This guy hold no credibility whatsoever to me.

I really don't know what the real score or logic why bitcoiner is so eager to know who is Satoshi. So many blogs pointing who is Satoshi, someone are already claiming that he is Satoshi. Even we know and we meet him I think nothing will change. You don't have get any income if you meet him so I think we need to focus only in activity that we can earn.

I bet he can't do anything. If he had or could find out who Satoshi was, he had already said so in a magazine. He would have found a way to turn this over for money.

McAfee took to Twitter to spread the word that he would out the mysterious Bitcoin creator if Satoshi didn’t come forward and reveal himself first.Does McAfee know who Satoshi is? The smart money is almost certainly on no, but as ever with John, his background,The cryptocurrency world is split on the possible revelation of Satoshi Nakamoto’s true identity. While the intrigue surrounding Satoshi Nakamoto is ever present, many are afraid it could lead to an array of negative results for Bitcoin.

John McAfee credible? Does not compute. McAfee would say anything as long as you paid him to do so. He's either trolling or is on under the influence of drugs, but either way he only has his own interests heart so he's only saying this for his own agenda whatever that may be. I would say with a strong degree of certainty that he doesn't know who satoshi is. He's probably just doing this for the attention to be honest. He's built his brand these last ten years or so by courting controversy and getting his name in the media and this is along the lines of the same sort of shtick he's always done.

Why Craig Wright and John McAfee after the 10 years celebration of bitcoin finally claiming to be a Satoshi Nakamoto and the other one knows who is Satoshi Nakamoto?is this really relevant or just for publicity?sorry but i a, really confused on what’s happening now.they can do this damn claim from the start or atleast after 5 years since bitcoin is already famous that time but took this long

It is really sad that he is only a celebrity with almost zero knowledge about market dynamics. He is a technical guy but has no understanding of how the economy works. His predictions are not logical and we all know he failed with his predictions many times in the last bull.

It sounds interesting but I just wanna ask what's the point of knowing who Satoshi is? What are the disadvantes and advantages of knowing this guy? And I wonder where he will get the evidences on who Satoshi is. Anyway, for me knowing and not knowing this guy, is just fine. We really don't have to know who he/she is.

i wont blame him if he would reveal his satoshi, and shortly after that his satoshi will reveal his satoshi vision token

if that happens i laugh myself an entire day.

Mcafee is off his rocker, I mean this dude is really insane.  Don't believe anything he says, this guy is just an attention seeker that is fueled by heavy drugs.  He is a smart guy for starting his antivirus company but that doesn't mean he has any morals.

Atlast i will be having a chance to know whos the real Satoshi Nakamoto .for sure this woll bring another breakthrough for this great community as the revelation of the greatest man on earth will happen.but the question is do McAfee is reliable for this very secured information?well the community will answer for this and not only me 😜😜😜

the new satoshi will of course come with his true vision of bitcoin, invest in it!!! it will start like bitcoin sv at 100 usd.  ;D ;D ;D

you cant even imagine the longterm negative effects for certain instances of the current cryptoindustry what marketing scemes like these will have

you will simply not be taken serious anymore

I don't think John mcAffe has any more creditability than the imposter Craig wright. Though there could be some people who personally knows satoshi nakamoto like theymos or cobra or some early Bitcoin developers but I highly doubtful satoshi would be in contact with someone like McAfee.

john macAfee it just seeker attention. after a lot of peoples hate him because some signal from him that not valid now he become like this. and satoshi nakamoto should be anonym. no need to know about his identity

Lol, we all know that John McAfee loves attention. His persona is like that, so everyone should not be surprised. The guy is eccentric, borderline wacko and now see another good opportunity to make another controversial statement so the guy is doing it again.

I wouldn't take him seriously though, but he always gives us a good chuckle,  ;D

Satoshi could be anyone from Silicon Valley now that we know he arguably resides in the USA lol. I think I know the real identities behind Bitcoin. Let me show you before Mr. McAfee does:

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The guy in the middle is the mastermind  ;D

I tough John McAfee popularity its already dead, Right now he only wants to make some attraction for him. He using the dramatic of CSW, Satoshi & Binance Delisting BSV to make his popularity more hype because his popularity already died with a several ICO Shiling/Coins from him. Waiting for him to cut his **** on the televisions.

I dont think he knows him. Its just another useless postings to get more attraction to his pump & dump trades.

Okay so John "fucking" McAfee is indirectly saying that craig is not the real Satoshi. Should we also expect a legal action against McAfee ??? It'll surely be fun if that ever happens  ;D

He said that it's a group of individuals, so maybe this group includes faketoshi?

I believe that it was too quiet around John since he had to run and hide. I bet that it was one of those nights on the boat. The air was full of tobacco smoke and John was contemplating if he's more drunk or high. His thoughts were spinning around three tough choices, none of which seemed better from the other. Should I pour another drink, snort another line, or screw one of the stoned hookers before they go catatonic? No, I should do something more, like... like when I pumped ICOs! Those were the days. Money flowing, people retweeting my words, doing interviews. Then it came to him like a lightning. Like that day when he woke up and Bitcoin was down 50%. Like when he realized that he's going to have to eat his dick on TV. He stood up buck naked, jumped on the table, below him a sea of half conscious courtesans, and shouted: Satoshi!

I have never for once take this man serious. I see him as one of those celeb that always look for a way to become relevant after some period of dormancy. The last time I checked on his page, he was talking how he will be contesting as president of united state of america from a boat he was. The guy is known for directly using his social media influence to promote shitty project. I can never for ones believe anything this man says.
 

McAfee is a drug addict. He is on the side of anyone who offers him a nice payday.

The very fact that McAfee is threatening to reveal satoshi just shows how retarded he is. No one in his right mind pretending to consider Bitcoin to be a greater invention than the internet and agriculture (his actual words) would do something like that to satoshi. Bitcoin allows McAfee to enjoy financial freedom, else his finances would easily be frozen or even seized. Fucker.

Satoshi did the right thing to only interact with a select few people, and McAfee was definitely not part of it, or even close to the people who had contact with satoshi.

yet another John's McAffe's public stunts to attract attention
I doubt he out of all the people has any clue who Satohi is (are)
probably bull market attracts all sort of visionaires and shamans and McAffee decided to continue his illustrious career as one
we all remember his predictions :
https://ethereumworldnews.com/john-mcafee-sticks-1000000-bitcoin-prediction-hard-date/
https://www.ccn.com/john-mcafee-bitcoin-price-predictions
so I , personally have little faith in what he says

If anyone was aware of the real identity of satoshi, it will not be a big secret by now and the identity would have being exposed a long time back, i am certain that no one knows the real identity of the person behind all this and so is the reason everyone is excited to know when these sort of topics pop up and i will not believe anyone coming out right now without proving that he has the access to the genesis block chain.

I doubt McCaffee knows who it is. Most likely (say 30-40% chance) it is the deceased Dave Kleiman. That would explain why Craig Wright is trying to convince people he is Satoshi. Possibly Craig even knows how to access Satoshi's Bitcoins but hasn't done so yet due because he can't get access until some time in the future or without some extra info he doesn't know etc.
However there are other good candidates, and I wouldn't be surprised if someone who was integral in the first few years knows the identity. I do not think they are likely to have told anyone let alone McAfee.

How he will be sure that person is a real Satoshi unless that person that he called Satoshi have proof all the things about bitcoin. And why he need to bother the person that have normal life for what? For fame that he found Satoshi? I think much better that McAfee leave alone Satoshi because I think that person wants a normal life that's why he never introduced him self to every one.

Well I think this is another of his attention seeking post but who knows maybe he could really reveal Satoshi,
But what is holding him back? If he really knows who is/are the person behind Bitcoin why wouldn't he reveal him/them?
And what benefits would he get from keeping his mouth shut?
I really think that this is just for attention and he doesn't really know a thing.

agree with you, Macfee is just a attention seeker, just like Hollywood bitches who will do all type of dramas just to get attention. He told bobsrepair ICO is the best ICO and we find it no where now on exchanges. he is just a filthy shit.

Good god. *gag*

Mcafee is a very funny person. I really dont believe his claims that he knew or that he can reveal the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto. Also even he knows hacking it is still hard to decipher and look where Satoshi is. Probably Mcafee just wanted attention so he will not be overshadowed by Craig Wright and wanted a part of the action. He just wanted attention and publicity since being famous is his business and that means more clients wanting him to endorse their new ICOs. More clients meant more money for Mcafee.

Dont' know whether he does this to only gain attention or really knows something but in any way it sounds very interesting. Btw he acts pretty well in both way, as he states, everyday he will narrow down satoshi's identity which actually boosts gaining of attentions everyday but on another hand he really knows something , only small piece of real information and tries to push satoshi to reveal identity and this way fool him or group.

Whenever he(McAfee) need attention; he always take the attentions of the people from twitter. Personally i have concluded that he has destroy himself with this fake assumptions of who Satoshi Nakamoto is. Nobody like me will put McAfee words serious because of what he has done in the past and still doing in the world of cryptocurrency. 

His prime inside crypto world already past, not the same person who shared predictions and make the movement go wild, that's already another part of his book of life, revealing who's satoshi might be an interesting topic as most of us never have any idea if he(satoshi) is an individual or a sets of group who
build everything inside this industry, very well, there's no implication whether he's claim is right or just to get attentions.

You got it https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/1119801690566352896 Seems this is the new coin he will be pumping.

I don't know why he needs to do this. If he really knows the "group" he was talking about then why not just unleash the kraken? Bitcoin is having too much drama.

His statement is very interesting but the integrity of it is so lacking.  There are lots of stunts that McAfee did only giving damage both to cryptocummunity and investors.  So how would anyone believe that statement that he really knows who Satoshi is. I think this is just for a show, though I won't be getting any popcorn since anything about the precedence of his announcement is so boring.

He is not really brave enough, so I don't think it will ever happen, it's just game on the public, for us to believe for him to become more popular

He is just getting attention for people to blindly follow him again on his crypto advises. Remember he endorse a token that didn't pumped instead it goes dumped so hard that make some of his followers distrust him. So telling that he will reveal Mr. Satoshi I think it is just a hoax for whom the person he will points on, on who is the real Satoshi.

John Mcafee is just an attention seeker, I wouldn't trust anything this guy says.  He is just attempting to get more twitter followers.  I still respect him and everything he has done for cryptocurrency and antivirus systems though.

He doesn't need to get more twitter followers. However, McAfee has been touted to be running for the US Presidential election in 2020 so he needs media.

And that is why his releasing another bold statement but it doesn't hold any weight because obviously no one in their right frame of mind would believed everything when John opens his mouth.

If he said so, then maybe he has knowledge about satoshi. But I think even if he would reveal the real satoshi and satoshi would still not claim that he is then the real identity will still be left hanging. It would end up still in a debate of whoever is satoshi. Mcafee maybe credible  enough but the satoshi will always have the final say.

Come on no buddy believes this none sense, every now and than some one comes up to claim that he is the rightful owner and creator of bitcoin, hasn't McAfee had enough attention now he is claiming that he knows the true identity of satoshi, i don't think he actually knows, i just think that this is an attempt to get some attention, the attention that every time some faker comes out and says he is the actual satoshi nakamoto, people should know that satoshi will never come out and reveal himself because that will cause a lot of problems for him and for bitcoin.

I don't think that he has. It's a PR stunt by him and we can all watch it develop as news sites write about it and people like OP make threads on forums.

McAfee is known for talking too much and changing views. He made a price prediction last year and then acted like he never did it and did it all on camera. I expect him to later change his mind and decide not to reveal Satoshi's identity.

Why don't we just wait for a few more days where he says he'll continue to narrow down the identity of the real Satoshi  ;D
Let's see how this new show will play out.  

This seems like another round of John "fucking" McAfee tweeting juicy stuff to get headlines. It's already working, just google "Bitcoin mcafee" or "Bitcoin satoshi" and you already see tons of entries, actually by just tipping "satoshi" you see some ranked McAfee related pages. This is excellent SEO results, because those keywords are very competitive, so now everyone that searches for satoshi will learn about McAfee. This is the game of internet content and McAfee is winning at it again. He gets notoriety, that's all that matters.

I still want to see what he has to offer. He has resources and knowledge, however at this point not even signed keys from the genesis block would prove anything to me, it would just prove that satoshi got his coins stolen by whoever signs. Satoshi is most likely dead at this point or held hostage by some institution somewhere, or perhaps by some hired hitmen. Bitcoin is a scary world so stay safe.

The guy simply want's to stay relevant in the cryptospace, He saw what Binance CEO did and now he is trying to join the badwagon on the hunt for Who is satoshi. If he really know's who is the real satoshi, He would have already announce it and take the spotlight and credit for the person who reveal the great mystery behind bitcoin creator.

PR stunt 100% - McAfee is so full of shiet he doesn't know where or how to rid himself of the stank...

This dude comes and starts shilling ICO's. Just like Maywether, he doesn't know WTF he talks about.

Except he made it clear as day. "Yeah, I do drugs..."

OK John, Go smoke that crack pipe bro and shut the F**k up

I never trust this crazy crypto guy again. He's too arrogant and too sure about his statements that would never happen.
Following him in twitter just for jokes and just for looking some fun :D

I agree with all of you. For now, we can see it as "seeking attention" on his part to regain his credibility eventhough we are not sure if he really knows the identity of Satoshi. He is the only one who knows the truth. I guess we just need to stay on what we are doing and wait for the revelation of Satoshi whenever it comes or not.

John McAfee is Donald Trump of crypto world. He himself don't know what he claims. He just do all this shit stunts to gain popularity and to remain in news in crypto active media. I believe no one knows satoshi nakamoto. Only Themos, Knows him as satoshi and theymos has started this forum way back and satoshi is inactive on forum from since dec,2010. These are all cheap publicity stunts by John "fucking" McAfee and if keep on speaking such shitty things, he will loose all this authenticity and will remain as a piece of entertainment.

John McAfee just attracts attention. On his name, he recently earns a good idea. Therefore, do not pay special attention to his words. Even if we assume that he knows who is hiding under the name of the creator of Bitcoin Satoshi Nakamoto. then without hard evidence his words mean nothing. If Satoshi himself does not want to show up, no one can force him to do this. But it seems that he is not going to do it.

Dont know why anyone wants to know about Satoshi when he or they dont want to get themselves reveled. This all media persons just  wanted to keep themselves in the media for that the are using the name of satoshi. We should not bothre about it and work on bitcoin and other cryptocurrency progress.

I doubt it. He already said craig made a fake claim https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/1118577939535355904

Be alert, this dude cannot be trusted. He is just someone who is always desperate to be relevant and since people no longer believe his tweets when he supports a particular cryptocurrency, he is just looking for another means to be relevant. Lets just ignore him and focus on increasing bitcoin adoption across the globe.

Dudes if McAfee knew the real identity of Satoshi he would have been sitting in a dark room with a bag over his head being interrogated by 3-letter agencies as we speak lol  ;D He is just pulling everyone's leg that guy  8)

Don't you think this is his life?
He is very smart person, you think this is madness but I see everyone in this space is talking about John's retweet. He got some publicity, mission f...king accomplished for an old man.

If you have noticed many have already sent him emails trying to state they are Satoshi ::)
But like wise he's denying all of those imposters and laughing on their emails at his Twitter:

https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/1118685715611754496

https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/1118680835530592256

To be honest I'm still trying to understand why many people see McAfee as a big BTC expert or whatever they wanna call him. He just shoots some numbers, usually big numbers of course, and gets paid to promote some shit. Why are we even here to discuss about what he says? I don't get it.

The 1 Million USD challenge for BTC price makes him famous, I guess having a bad boy image that stand up against uncle sam with guns and goons is always loved & liked by crypto community.

So he's basically famous for being:
1) Notorious
2) Giving false hope (did anybody really think BTC could reach $1mln in a few years? Oh please.)
3) Going against US system, and I can understand this

But probably he's famous for the #2, and it's quite sad to see that many people follow him just because he says some BS, it's just like politicians.

He is likely trying to simply spark some buzz and get some more followers. He isn't a good source of news or educational content around cryptocurrency so I can see this working for him.

This man really will do anything just to get attention from people.

Everyone can tell anyone that this is Satoshi, Anyone can also claim he is Satoshi but no one will believe even though the real Satoshi reveal himself because Everyone knows that the real Satoshi wants to stay UNKNOWN.

mcaffe is sck antivirus, because mcaffe always report fake virus.
and why i must trust you john? i think you will report fake sathosi too  :D

 when john introduction XVG (verge) im really confusing, he reveal identity of verge, if the slogan of xvg is "Privacy is our standard, A secure and anonymous cryptocurrency, then i laughted,  "anonymous " never reveal his identity.

What won't McAfee do for some press?

he is not laughing at imposters, he doesn't give a crap if they try to pull an identity fraud. he is laughing at imposters who forgot to also offer him money for his support. because that is why he started this twitter drama, to get someone to pay him to "reveal" him as Satoshi!

When this person on the surfaced my prediction is that the bullrun signs are getting closer, or maybe John is planning an altcoin project to be blown up.

Thought Johnny boy already had enough money from all those pump and dumps he was promoting.  Also factor in the millions he got from selling his company, guess this guy really loves his drugs and mansions. 

Also don't forget about his bet where he said he would eat a part of his body if bitcoin didn't reach 1 million......

He won't reveal Satoshi to anyone. It is just a way to draw attention

Yes, exactly until this time the real satoshi is still Unknown. McAfee through this year is a just a person who wants attention from people who will believe in him. I do not believe this person until now since he promotes project before it did not succeed.

It’s just crap.

If you know it, then just reveal it.

From what it looks like. Satoshi did a good thing by disappearing in the shadows and let the community decide the fate of what he created. He also probably foresaw that some will create new coins with improvements like ether.

Let’s all just wait and see what the future holds. Unknown creator vs known/public creators and which one will be better in the end.

Does McAfee really know Satoshi's true identity? I think he is trying to create bullshit posts to polish his name, or he wants to increase the number of people he tracks on Twitter. I guess he can't point out who Satoshi is because he can't know exactly who it is. I believe in that, and I will resist those who believe in this.

Not me,  ;D. But John's been very busy lately trying to hype and wanted him to be the 'talk of the town'. There's no way he knowns Satoshi, and there is no way that Satoshi will associate himself with that kind of people. Satoshi is way more brilliant than that.

This guy is becoming a serious threat to this forum as every time he comes with a diplomatic note, I think he want to gain the followers in social media. Is he a real virus here? Sometimes he comes with a huge prediction in bear market was talk of town few months back. I understand understand what he wants to tell this world.

Well, if I have to bet my (few) cryptos I would definitely go with option number 2  ;D

No way he knows who Satoshi is, just like no way he knows where BTC will be in the next years.

Another lame move . by McAfee

Lets say he know who Satoshi is, why he use it to generate more publicity around him self?
He need to undersatdn that satoshi want his privacy probably for a reason and if he really care about this market he wont treath in revealing it... super lame move

He need more publicity around him self for money what for, candy? More people talk about him better it will be the money he will get .

At this moment we are all doing exactly what McAfee wants, talking about his. I think the crypto community should simply forget about him.

Agree with you.
in my personal opinion, John is actually good at utilizing situations where only one goal is to get the whole world focused on him and to always talk about John! John knows this, John knows that, John knows everything lol

I hope for him John also knows how to grow a new penis  ;D

McAfee might be looking for attention especially from media  for his future plans like running for the oval office. Unmasking Satoshi would be futile because nobody know who really he is. This move of McAfee might only resulted into many fake Satoshis that are hungry for media mileage. McAfee should instead prepare his political plans and create his platforms if he really planning for top position instead of finding the creator of bitcoin.

We should stop promoting this crazy old man. He is obsessed to get popularity and states a lot of stupid theories just to attract followers.

Everyone knows Satoshi but noone speaks.
I hope that one day the real Satoshi will be revealed and expose all these clowns that try to get exposure in Satoshi's back (If he is not dead.)

And we are making a huge mistake of following these guys with their stupid lies.

there is a certain level of anonymity required to keep decentralization. The public has not been given the identity of the Bitcoin creator at this point, even ten years after the token launched. The whitepaper was explicit in ensuring that the coin is ruled by those who use it, rather than one person with too much power. There have been a few theories about the true identity, and Craig Wright has famously claimed to be the true Satoshi. However, the evidence has not really led to a concrete answer.

You can't deny that he's adding some entertainment to the crypto world, but to actually take him on his words requires a bit more evidence for me.
Still waiting to see him eat his dick in 2 years, it's the only reason why I don't want Bitcoin to hit more than $500k by the end of 2020.

To me, he's just maintaining his persona, rest assured that he's making tons of money, just by being this controversial figure that he is.

if someone has something to say they will always come out like a normal human being and say it. in other words if McAfee really had slightest clue who the real Satoshi is, he would have already said something in the past many years!

but when someone has nothing to say and have no idea what they are talking about they turn into a weasel and try to manipulate and prolong their shenanigans because that is how they can gain attention, by being vague and giving promises they can not and will not deliver.

Any publicity is good publicity and John loves all the attention he gets.  I'll admit that I do follow his twitter sometimes, it is quite entertaining.

John is hearing a lot of remarks about that bet he placed on $1million bitcoin. ;D

John McAfee doesnt really know the identity of Satoshi form my opinion. He is creating attention to himself and also trying to create an atmosphere of talks around him. In the near future he will still talk about another thing and the whole cryoto community will still discuss McAfee opinion. I think we are doing what he want already by giving him attention discussing this

Let stop discussing about John McAee; to let him know that, the community has a strong stand against his wrong doing toward the entire cryptocurrency community. He should leave Satoshi either as a person or as a group out and concentrate on his weeds and womanizing(there are many fucking stuff to do). A fight to Satoshi is a fight to the entire community, so, stop.

I use to take McAfee serious in time past, I have been disappointed in time past, after several of his failed  speculations/ assumption, I feel he just want to be relevant globally. If you have an information about Satoshi, there is no need to announce you will reveal his Identity.

It was still in doubt, he even said it very confidently. Even though he published it, of course people wouldn't be that easy to believe. But I am very supportive if the "satoshi" identity is actually not published. Let his name be a legend according to what he (they) want.

Actually with all these happenings in the world of cryptocurrency which majority are as a result of John McAfee disagreement and agreement. Even his fight/search for Satoshi, his shitcoin BCH built for the purpose of defeating Bitcoin. He has lost his taste in the world of cryptocurrency and we all should ensure not to mind his talkativeness and speculative speech. 

John is a a great guy, but I don't think he is able to reveal the real Satoshi Nakamoto identity. I'm assuming he's just trying to reveal his own satoshi version and give some proof that people will believe it and more people will trust his words than before. What a beautiful plan!

Precisely. He probably just want to gain attention to his followers. Nice steps. He is now breaking a noise to the crypto community and been famous AGAIN because of his nonsense claims.
I bet, after that controversy he made with this satoshi revelations he will think another way to still seek attention from crypto space. Let it pass and ignore his craziness.

True enough. Now I'm thinking how much stress or damage they will cause on they guy that they believe that it is the real Satoshi. But because it's McAfee, there is a 50/50 chance on this situation where the 50% will not believe while the 50% blind followers of him will think he is right because of his evidence gimmicks that he will certainly present.

Dumb money talk smart money listen. He is not smart money.
Somehow people keep on paying attention to him.

John McAfee is indeed quite influential in the crypto world, but he has no contribution at all to the bitcoin community. He only used his big name to make a profit in the crypto world.

I think revealing him will not do bitcoin good and for him hiding himself is a good things in other for people not to idolize him.  He has giving the world the best any person can give and he is not a selfish man and that is why he did not create cryptocurrency and bitcoin around himself but for all  to take the decentralized nature of cryptocurrencies and makes transactions through it.  We are creating trust on each other and that is the trust that was not there before. The banks and elites made us to believe that we can not trust one another but bitcoin has proven that wrong.

Also his team making their own profit, i remember went one of the team from John McAfee make some a case about fraud at some ICO. After that he kicked the team member and clean his reputation by out at that project.

He doesn't know who Satoshi really is. Even if he did, McAfee owns probably lots of BTC and by revealing Satoshi he would only cause his fortune of BTC to disappear.

People don't realise that its best if nobody knows who Satoshi really is. If his identity is revealed then the stability of Bitcoin is in Jeopardy because at anytime he could sell his 1 million coins and cause a huge bear market, much worse than the one we just experienced.

I lost all the respect for this guy when he began endorsing scam ICOs after accepting payments from their promoters. Now this new trick is to get some free publicity ahead of the upcoming POTUS elections in 2020. John McAfee has stated that he may run for the presidency. But he is not willing to spend any of his money for this purpose.

everything that John McAfee talks about is a lie. ::)
everyone should see the netflix documentary about John McAfee  :-X

John McAfee, if you are not going to reveal who the real satoshi is by the end of this month (sic) I will. Dude is trying hard to be relevant in the crypto sphere

Yes, I read his tweets. That was funny. John McAfee once again arranges clowning. This is another PR move.
This man is an addict and an alcoholic, he has long been living in "his drunken reality." I"m sure that in this "his reality" he knows who Satoshi is.
John is just having fun and entertaining his followers on Twitter. Don't take his words seriously.

The main question is not about who is SN, the main question is if someone who know who SN is can probe it... McAfee could say whatever he want but without any proof is the same as nothing.

Lets see whats finally happen, but i doub that something relevant is comming...

He is the owner, the founder of the world-renowned antivirus software and very much one of the most influential person in cryptocurrency. Just let him say what he wants to say, no one believes in him anyway. LOL

Is John McAfee getting tired of his bs? Years ago he said that he'll eat his dick on television if bitcoin will not get $500,000? Is that right or I just heard that from somewhere. Now he says that he'll reveal Satoshi is. As if he know who is Satoshi is. Goodluck believing this guy.

He won`t reveal anything, I bet $500,000 or I will eat my own nutsack on camera by the end of 2020

He became wealthy because of his techie background and he is a smart individual and he is using his past glories to make some waves in the market and if he was not that smart how come the world media is publishing what ever he says, he knows this is the social media era and he wanted to be in the news all the time and so is the reason he is coming up with stupid shits all the time, he knows it does not matter what he says, people will listen whether they like him or not, don't you think that is a smart move. :P :D

I've seriously grown tired of the guy. Such an attention whore, no better than all those people claiming to be Satoshi. "I'm John Fuckin McAfee" just reeks of narcissism.

And let's just say he do "know" who Satoshi is, what will he do when the guy denies?

I'll just be waiting till 2020 to so where this publicity stunt will go and how far worse the new ones would be.

As many of the users pointed out, I think that this is a pathetic attempt by John McAfee to get some free publicity ahead of the 2020 presidential elections. And I don't think that McAfee is capable of tracking Satoshi. The latter is too smart for him. Also, McAfee got involved in cryptos long after Satoshi became inactive here in Bitcointalk (and other social media circles).

Funny how McAfee created a lot of anxiety and expectation on everyone who wants to know who Satoshi Nakamoto is. Once he achieved the attention he was looking for, he just said that wasn't going to reveal anything because he was advised by his lawyer.
I thought he was just looking for attention and to appear on the internet news, but after reading this thread seems he is looking for something else: the presidency of USA.

Dont worry the next day this stupid McAfee will claim that he also know Santa Clause and even the reindeer Rudolf lol

And given that he knows the man,then who cares?do we really care about the true identity of Satoshi Nakamoto?of what we are concerning is the help and goodliest of what bitcoin gave to us

I possibly think that, he's just trying to gain popularity in the world of cryptocurrency, as you have rightly said, if he refuse to reveal the real Satoshi, then he will automatically be irrelevant in my own eyes and will never react to his statement again on social medias. There's nobody called Satoshi and the name is just a group of individuals.

Anyone saw his latest tweet? Now he wants to get involved in the Binance investigation as well. He has offered his "services" to Binance, and claimed that he may be able to track the hackers who stole close to BTC7,000 from that exchange. Now the problem is that McAfee is all words and no action. One of the reasons why I stopped purchasing his antivirus software, and shifted to Kaspersky.

The only thing that will make me believe is that if someone claims to be Satoshi and then trying to give us some BTCs using his account. That will make those talk shits surprised.  8)

McAfee is a typical clown. It creates a lot of noise from nothing. He, being in a drunken state or in a state of drug intoxication, has long lost reality. He lives in his world with his reality. He, according to his own statements, didn't pay taxes for 8 years. And also used crypto currency for criminal purposes. Think about his words "run for president". He after receiving the charges he fled from the US authorities... Created another show.

McAfee is a guy that thinks he knows too much and despite the fact that he has been around for a while give him that confidence that he know santoshi Nakamoto, I have taken a stance since that santoshi is not a person but an acronym which means all of if in the bitcoin community that is the real decentralization.