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Title: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: TheNewAnon135246 on April 21, 2019, 11:11:32 AM Over the past few days I've seen a lot of YoBit signature wearing accounts breaking several rules like:
Forum rules 1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads. [1][e] 2. No off-topic posts. 9. Discussions in the main boards must be in english. All other language discussions should be posted in the appropriate Local board (posts using Google translate, turning their posts into nonsensical word spaghetti). 12. No duplicate posting in multiple boards (except for re-posting it in the local language boards if it's translated). 21. Old bumps should be deleted. [2] 25. Ban evasion (using or creating accounts while one of your accounts is banned) is not allowed.[e] 27. Using automated translation tools to post translated content in Local boards is not allowed. 33. Posting plagiarized content is not allowed.[e] Obviously the posts can be reported and left to be judged by the Bitcointalk moderators but there is no way to can amount of spam we've seen over the past few days (and I suspect it will only get worse). So my question is: Do you think it is justifiable to leave negative feedback for spamming in the Yobit campaign (and other campaigns alike) to render them useless for future spam? Obviously, a simple slip up is completely forgivable. I'm talking about the obvious spammers/account farmers. Please do not turn this into another discussion about DT, Lauda, trust abuse or extortions. Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: yazher on April 21, 2019, 11:53:59 AM as long as You see them breaking any rules report them and let the Mods do their job, It's up to them whether they want to Tag or not. they know how to deal with this kind of situation, Mods are Mods for a reason they are the Saviour of this forum. These spammers are nothing to them.
Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: The Cryptovator on April 21, 2019, 11:57:24 AM If they are breaking rules then it should handle by moderators. And seems they are breaking rules as well. I don't think trust system should use for spammers. Personally I am not encourage to tag them. Also report their post isn't easy task. Lots of people's already joined their campaign.
How it will be if admin disable Yobit link from signature? So no one could wear that signature with link. Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: LoyceMobile on April 21, 2019, 12:11:57 PM No. Trust is for things that aren't handled by forum rules, such as promoting a scam exchange or Ponzi.
Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: Golgoth on April 21, 2019, 12:14:09 PM I do not view it as appropriate for trust ratings to relate primarily to non-trust matters. By giving someone negative trust, you're basically attaching a note to all of their posts telling people "warning: do not trade with this person!". [...] - Giving negative trust for being an annoying poster is inappropriate, since this has nothing to do with their trustworthiness. If they're disrupting discussion or never adding anything, then that's something for moderators to deal with, and you should report their posts and/or complain in Meta about it. - Giving negative trust for merit trading and deceptive alt-account use may be appropriate, but you should use a light touch so that people don't feel paranoid. - You should be willing to forgive past mistakes if the person seems unlikely to do it again. - It is absolutely not appropriate to give someone negative trust because you disagree with them. Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: TheNewAnon135246 on April 21, 2019, 12:24:48 PM I do not view it as appropriate for trust ratings to relate primarily to non-trust matters. By giving someone negative trust, you're basically attaching a note to all of their posts telling people "warning: do not trade with this person!". [...] - Giving negative trust for being an annoying poster is inappropriate, since this has nothing to do with their trustworthiness. If they're disrupting discussion or never adding anything, then that's something for moderators to deal with, and you should report their posts and/or complain in Meta about it. - Giving negative trust for merit trading and deceptive alt-account use may be appropriate, but you should use a light touch so that people don't feel paranoid. - You should be willing to forgive past mistakes if the person seems unlikely to do it again. - It is absolutely not appropriate to give someone negative trust because you disagree with them. I'm not talking about disagreeing with anyone. I doubt the moderators can handle this amount of spam (especially if everyone starts reporting posts). No. Trust is for things that aren't handled by forum rules, such as promoting a scam exchange or Ponzi. Plenty of DT1/DT2 tend to tag other people "to protect the community" so I was wondering what their opinions are on these spammers continiously breaking the forum rules on purpose. I personally wouldn't use the trust system for it. Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: Theb on April 21, 2019, 12:25:15 PM Quote from: https://yobit.net/en/signature/details/ Poor quality and unconstructive posts will not be tolerated on this campaign. You don't need to write an essay with each post but one word replies in spammy off topic threads or streams of constant half-assed one liners will immediately get you removed. Please just put some effort in to your posts and you'll be fine. If Yobit (this time) is really an advocate of quality posts in their campaign they'll be following on their own rule on removing participants who have received negative feedback in the forum no matter what the DT's negative feedback is. You'll be helping Yobit avoid having participants abusing the 20 paid post daily (140 posts a week) by adding more shitty content in the forum. Users with negative feedback from defaulttrust members are no longer permitted on the campaign. If you sign up you will be removed. NOTE However if participants part of Yobit if not tagged from their spam will most likely be tagged by being part of the Yobit campaign itself. Yobit as an exchange has a bad reputation already in the forum and is not trusted anymore, all of their negative feedback in the forum are all left unresolved before they got inactive for a long time. So I expect that a lot of DT members would be easy to hand out negative feedbacks to participants wearing their signature. Some DT members already have given their warning about the campaign so I won't even think twice of removing their signature just to risk my reputation in the forum. Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: Quickseller on April 21, 2019, 01:06:30 PM Doing this would be very harmful to the forum. You should let the moderators do their job.
Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: o_e_l_e_o on April 21, 2019, 01:31:46 PM Do you think it is justifiable to leave negative feedback for spamming in the Yobit campaign (and other campaigns alike) to render them useless for future spam? Based on the rules you have listed (which I agree are being regularly and frequently broken) - no. Moderation and bans are separate from the trust system and negative ratings. Being a spammer doesn't make you inherently untrustworthy per se, and although many people will be less likely to trust spammers, they don't deserve red trust for this reason alone.However, there is another point to be raised. There have been many accounts tagged by a variety of DT members in the past for promoting known scams in their signatures - everything from exchanges, to ICOs, to vanity address generators, to legal services. I have not spent a great deal of time reading in to it, but from what I have read, it seems that everyone who isn't part of the YoBit campaign agrees that YoBit is a scam. I'm not saying campaign participants should be red trusted for this, but it is a separate and potentially more serious issue than simply wanting to tag them for being spammers. Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: izanagi narukami on April 21, 2019, 02:10:40 PM Basically trust system is not design to tag spammer.
Trust system being made for scammer ( trading purpose ) Only moderator that able to punish the spammer by banning them all. That's my opinion. Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: TheUltraElite on April 21, 2019, 02:49:12 PM Obviously the posts can be reported and left to be judged by the Bitcointalk moderators but there is no way to can amount of spam we've seen over the past few days (and I suspect it will only get worse). Just report them as much as you can and and fast as you can. This is a good time to uprage your report count to a maximum with your keen eyes and reporting abilities. I am also doing the same.Quote So my question is: Do you think it is justifiable to leave negative feedback for spamming in the Yobit campaign (and other campaigns alike) to render them useless for future spam? Obviously, a simple slip up is completely forgivable. I'm talking about the obvious spammers/account farmers. Tagging people for spamming is not what theymos wasts DT members to do. Whoever wants to do so is free to do that keeping their DT status at risk. What can be done is a proper gathering of evidence to around YoBit being a shady exchange - if at all that is true, which I also dont know for sure other than that they list all the shitcoins that get released. That should be enough to make people move on from their exchange's signature campaign in fear of red trust on their account for promoting such an exchange.Maybe DT can reach a consensus about whether to consider YoBit as a normal or shady exchange with consideration of all the facts revolving around them. Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: fudster on April 21, 2019, 03:09:52 PM Accusations to Yobit so far weren't really proven apart those altcoins that can't be withdrawn from their exchange due to the outdated blockchain/wallet on their side. AS far as I know this can be resolved through the support as I have solved mine before which I eventually withdraw BTC. There were people who had been in their campaign since 2014 - I think the user Gabmen was one of them.
Yobit campaign status was CFNP since last 2017 which there are fewer users only promoting yobit up to 2019 of March. This month of April 2019, they opened their campaign for new participants now a lot of you complains about it? Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on April 21, 2019, 03:15:36 PM Do you think it is justifiable to leave negative feedback for spamming in the Yobit campaign (and other campaigns alike) to render them useless for future spam?[/b] No. Some of us tried this before the merit system was implemented and Theymos did not approve, and it isn't a good use of the trust system. Doesn't matter if the circumstances have changed with Yobit's new campaign, because that actually isn't anything new. True, they haven't had a campaign running in a while but they did before--and with the same campaign rules.Reporting spam/shitposts to the mods is the best way to handle this IMO, even though that's going to be a hell of a lot of reporting. Believe me, I would love to tag these idiots but that's what we have the merit system for. Tagging people for spamming is not what theymos wasts DT members to do. Whoever wants to do so is free to do that keeping their DT status at risk. Right. And I doubt any DT member who starts tagging people for their post quality is going to stay on DT for long. As far as determining whether Yobit is a scam exchange or not, there's been some discussion already. My own opinion is that they're not a scam exchange and their campaign participants should not be tagged. Yobit definitely has some problems and has had a ton of complaints, but that's true of a lot of crypto businesses. Cryptsy was a scam. Mt. Gox was a scam. Other exchanges have scammed. Yobit is not on that list, IMO.Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: AdolfinWolf on April 21, 2019, 03:16:14 PM It doesn’t matter whether you tag them or not - yobit doesn’t seem to care.
Even though they said redtrusted users weren’t accepted into the campaign, this rule is not actually enforced. (I mean, who would’ve thought, it’s yobit, right?) As long as your account isn’t banned, you’re invited to the party to make some serious dough! How long does it take to see the results on the Yobit website? ★ Personal stats updated every 3-4 hoursTitle: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: Aero Blue on April 21, 2019, 03:17:18 PM If they are breaking the rules, report the post and lets the mods handle it. It is not your job to decide whether they are breaking the rules or not.
Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: pandukelana2712 on April 21, 2019, 03:24:32 PM Afaik, tagging at trust-feedback only for users who broke the trust rules (in general behavior): what happened, who is he/her, and how it happens; especially for trading, monetary and security system. And DT members work in this area.
For the user who broke some forum rules. I think it's clear enough that users should get sanction/punishment, terma/permaban from the forum. And this is moderator should do so. Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: YOSHIE on April 21, 2019, 03:26:49 PM I think now that spam are increasing, from various posts in the forum, Signature, Yobit will take a lot of victims, from accounts that are suddenly blocked, red trust, With post spam, scamer, alleged deposit process by users, to data manipulation graphics, etc.
This often happens in parts. Discussion of Bitcoin, Economy, Altcoin discussion, Off-topic, sales exchanges, trade etc. various other things, which are often seen appear. On the Bitcointalk forum for example, which you can see for yourself on the topic (Scam Accusations) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0), was posted on a post that revealed the same thing. https://i.imgur.com/PqAxgxh.jpg It will continue to be done by many people who both use the Yobit Signature, there is spam, scamers and so on, Yobits in a high paid fee for all people chasing their paid posts. Remember the yobit signature can destroy you, if you are not vigilant in pursuing daily posts. Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: jhenfelipe on April 21, 2019, 03:51:00 PM I am not in favor of tagging spammers too. Same reason, it wasn't meant for that.
We should rather encourage members to report each spam post they see. It would be hard as we can't please everybody, but it will be good for the forum if ever. You are worried about mods being unable to handle the reports, it seems like they can still handle them atm. When the time comes that they can't I think theymos will make a way. Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: Findingnemo on April 21, 2019, 04:21:32 PM Even most of the DT members says it is not appropriate to tag spammer because DT system is not meant for spammers.
If you find spammers just use Report to Moderator button which is the right thing if we want to clear spams.If we tag spammers then most of the bounty participants were spammers so we are going to tag them all? Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: onlinedragon on April 21, 2019, 04:47:53 PM All campaigns that require a certain amount of post each week could be seen as adding more spam to this forum, Yobit campaign is paying people without the need to reach a certain amount of posts how great is that. They also never said that you should post the max amount of post they are willing to pay and when Yobit did announce the relaunch of the signature they directly added some extra rules to this campaign so they did thought about the problems from the last signature campaign.
It's never good to judge about a whole group of people when some individuals are the main problem, in each campaign you will find rotten apples and if people go to far you have always the forum mods and staff that can kick/block people from joining a specific campaign. https://yobit.io/en/signature/details/ (https://yobit.io/en/signature/details/) ★☆★ Rules ★☆★ Poor quality and unconstructive posts will not be tolerated on this campaign. You don't need to write an essay with each post but one word replies in spammy off topic threads or streams of constant half-assed one liners will immediately get you removed. Please just put some effort in to your posts and you'll be fine. Users with negative feedback from defaulttrust members are no longer permitted on the campaign. If you sign up you will be removed. Any user who hasn't made a post in over a month will also be removed. Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: NavI_027 on April 21, 2019, 05:00:10 PM If you find spammers just use Report to Moderator button which is the right thing if we want to clear spams.If we tag spammers then most of the bounty participants were spammers so we are going to tag them all? Oops! It seems that the eagerness to hunt those Yobit spammers lead us to another issue. Hmm, in my opinion every member who proven guilty of spamming should be reported whether he wear a Yobit signature or other signatures or even not wearing at all. There should be no exception upon the law. So if you found a spammer based on your own judgement then report it as long as it is reasonable, and after that let the mods decide for the final verdict. But if there's an emotional attachment for every time you report then I might say that's not healthy at all because you become bias without noticing it. Better to stop it because you are getting toxic. (Just a friendly reminder for Yobit campaign antagonists) Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: Theb on April 21, 2019, 05:00:44 PM By the way here is what theymos got say during the default trust changes that happened in the forum recently, and I think all DT members concerned about the spam created by the campaign (or for any other campaign in that matter) should take a note about this.
I do not view it as appropriate for trust ratings to relate primarily to non-trust matters. By giving someone negative trust, you're basically attaching a note to all of their posts telling people "warning: do not trade with this person!". If we can get DT working well enough, in the future I'd like to prevent guests from even viewing topics by negative-trust users in trust-enabled sections, so you have to ask yourself whether your negative trust would warrant this sort of significant effect. In particular, in my view: - Giving negative trust for being an annoying poster is inappropriate, since this has nothing to do with their trustworthiness. If they're disrupting discussion or never adding anything, then that's something for moderators to deal with, and you should report their posts and/or complain in Meta about it. We should remember that the the quality of post or the sense of the post in relation of the topic does not relate to the member's “trusworthiness” in the forum like what theymos has said. All we can do now is either continue what were doing in the Meta now (complain/report about something or help the moderator eliminate spam (and therefore eliminating their post count which will hopefully change their post quality) by using the “report to moderator” function Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: morvillz7z on April 21, 2019, 05:01:19 PM User tagged by DT getting paid for his posts.^ Yesterday I checked some of those accounts for alts and it seems that shimbark123 (summoned after six months of deep sleep) has one. - hyunee (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1013131), currently participating in another spammy campaign. All three accounts (including banned - robbietobby) write regularly in the Pilipinas local board. Coincidence? Quote from: hyunee August 12, 2017, 05:55:09 PM https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2080397.msg20820574#msg20820574 Link to your twitter account: https://twitter.com/rhnyy Link to your tweet: https://twitter.com/rhnyy/status/896398651408343043 Number of real followers as audited on twitteraudit: 308 BTC Address: 3JSWQBjvexhdR6NqeRZXtDcpLMiQcP7GZK Quote from: shimbark123 December 02, 2017, 07:42:14 AM https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2494912.msg25591067#msg25591067 Join Form: Signature campaign Bitcointalk username: shimbark123 Account URL: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1009626 Rank: Full Member Starting post Count: 394 Date of Join: December 02, 2017 Bitcoin address: 3JSWQBjvexhdR6NqeRZXtDcpLMiQcP7GZK Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: r1s2g3 on April 21, 2019, 05:10:15 PM All campaigns that require a certain amount of post each week could be seen as adding more spam to this forum, Yobit campaign is paying people without the need to reach a certain amount of posts how great is that. They also never said that you should post the max amount of post they are willing to pay and when Yobit did announce the relaunch of the signature they directly added some extra rules to this campaign so they did thought about the problems from the last signature campaign. When some accounts just woke up to post for Yobit ,then it simply means they are financially motivated. Few of the spammer are already earning in this campaign. Feel free to read [FABLE] The Resurrection of YoBit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5133795.msg) and tell me how many of the spammers are now thrown out of Yobit campaign for spamming . Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: Searing on April 21, 2019, 05:52:15 PM Well the catch is...I've had some neg trust in the UNTRUSTED area...on yobit
as sketchy as this exchange is...I think all exchanges are such..just never leave coin or $$$ in them and you are golden...if you do leave coin or $$$ in them you can be screwed even by legit exchanges that get hacked like http://www.cryptopia.co.nz/ (http://www.cryptopia.co.nz/) which I missed that bullet by being 'exchange paranoid' but none of that effects my overall trust rating (so far)...22+ thus it is kinda a moot issue unless somebody with the multi-BTC deals that gave me positive feedback back in the early days of 2013-2016...is suddenly offended..(for the crapload of $150 USD BTC I gave them for a somewhat dubious USB miners back in the day...I doubt they have any issues with that at this late date!) I doubt it is gonna affect anything. IF the moderators suddenly don't want that tag line under my avatar...well then it is gone....and I would guess yobit would have to adjust to such as well or everyone would leave. The last point, I have turned DOWN campaigns which pay more than yobit due to the fact ALL OTHER campaigns I've tripped over...recently only open ones since Jan 2019 all require you to CHANGE your avatar to their corp avatar Ad. (sorry like my hat..so I resisted that much). So at least they are the only open campaign I've seen that leaves the avatar alone these days. Just saying. Not that I know squat. But my 'justification' (barring any other drama of an evil nature from yobit) on why I went 'meh' and stuck the sig campaign on brad Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: Lauda on April 21, 2019, 06:10:52 PM Leaving this to the moderators has never worked before. Why exactly would anyone argue for this? It will not work again, stop drinking kool-aid. This warrants the nuclear option (kill all yobit ads of any kind), but theymos is too lazy.
Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: o_e_l_e_o on April 21, 2019, 07:38:13 PM but theymos is too lazy I agree we need a heavy handed approach here, but I don't think it has anything to do with laziness. If theymos wanted to ban the YoBit campaign and their spammers, I'm sure he would do so. It's more an issue of how far you let individual users' freedom to say what they want (including spamming) encroach on everyone else's ability to actually use the forum.If it were down to me, I would immediately hand out a 7 day ban to the majority of the YoBit spammers, and disable all signatures which mention YoBit for 7 days. Obviously theymos disagrees. Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: FistBump on April 21, 2019, 07:56:15 PM Afaik, tagging at trust-feedback only for users who broke the trust rules (in general behavior): what happened, who is he/her, and how it happens; especially for trading, monetary and security system. And DT members work in this area.
For the user who broke some forum rules. I think it's clear enough that users should get sanction/punishment, terma/permaban from the forum. And this is moderator should do so. Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: Lauda on April 21, 2019, 07:57:30 PM but theymos is too lazy I agree we need a heavy handed approach here, but I don't think it has anything to do with laziness. If theymos wanted to ban the YoBit campaign and their spammers, I'm sure he would do so. It's more an issue of how far you let individual users' freedom to say what they want (including spamming) encroach on everyone else's ability to actually use the forum.If it were down to me, I would immediately hand out a 7 day ban to the majority of the YoBit spammers, and disable all signatures which mention YoBit for 7 days. Obviously theymos disagrees. Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: logfiles on April 21, 2019, 07:58:02 PM This would make the much feared red tags so common in the forum and it would make them lose their credibility.
Imagine if red tags became a common thing in the forum and people no longer cared about getting them. Scammers would just swarm in like never before with no limits. I think we should be careful with the Negative trust thing and should only apply it when it's appropriate and very necessary. Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: mindrust on April 21, 2019, 08:05:57 PM but theymos is too lazy I agree we need a heavy handed approach here, but I don't think it has anything to do with laziness. If theymos wanted to ban the YoBit campaign and their spammers, I'm sure he would do so. It's more an issue of how far you let individual users' freedom to say what they want (including spamming) encroach on everyone else's ability to actually use the forum.If it were down to me, I would immediately hand out a 7 day ban to the majority of the YoBit spammers, and disable all signatures which mention YoBit for 7 days. Obviously theymos disagrees. The problem here is, theymos is making money from their activity. If we ban every shitposter there is and scare people away, there would be 50 active users left in the forum posting relevant stuff. This is nothing new anyway. I remember it was exactly the same in 2014 and I know it will be exactly same 5 years later. Just leave it to the mods. Also: https://i.ibb.co/CJxNd7w/dder.png It doesn't look good already. Banning yobit sigs will definitely not make it better. Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: shield132 on April 21, 2019, 08:53:03 PM To be fair banning their signatures will be a little bit unethical from this forum because it automatically means theymos and whole administration rejects yobit service and let other scam services to run here.
I think tagging only shitposter will be fair, if yobit still wants red tagged people, then ban can be a deal. Seems they don't care about forum, don't wanted to say here again but this company is very shady and it has no limit. Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: Lauda on April 21, 2019, 09:05:18 PM To be fair banning their signatures will be a little bit unethical from this forum because it automatically means theymos and whole administration rejects yobit service and let other scam services to run here. It does not as Yobit would be allowed to have an ANN thread like any other service. Signature AD ban =/= service ban.Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: coinlocket$ on April 21, 2019, 09:13:41 PM This makes 0 sense, the downfall of the forum is related to the downfall of the market. Google trends https://puu.sh/CYvlR/2e0f3ead7b.png https://puu.sh/CYvnl/1c42927def.png https://puu.sh/CYvp3/4cfa4275e3.png If the price of bitcoin will increase, the word bitcoin will go up on google trends and the traffic of bitcointalk will increase again, it's all related. Also after the bump of the last month. Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: xolxol on April 21, 2019, 09:15:37 PM if you do that,why wouldnt you remove signatures instead for more convenience? simple as that.
Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: marcotheminer on April 22, 2019, 12:43:42 AM if you do that,why wouldnt you remove signatures instead for more convenience? simple as that. The forum has a net-gain with paid signatures being allowed (spam is an 'acceptable consequence' of it). Removing signatures means a decent part of the forum's activity drops as "only-here-for-the-pay" members leave. We should try it though. No-sig September, anyone? Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: suchmoon on April 22, 2019, 12:50:37 AM The forum has a net-gain with paid signatures being allowed (spam is an 'acceptable consequence' of it). Removing signatures means a decent part of the forum's activity drops as "only-here-for-the-pay" members leave. Good riddance. 386 participants prior to the Yobit campaign used to create ~230 posts per day combined. They created ~3600 posts within the last 24 hours. That's a 15-fold increase, or 3000+ extra posts per day. I think it's safe to assume that most of those are shit. Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: mikeywith on April 22, 2019, 12:58:31 AM You all enjoy the forum for free, but as adults you should have probably learned that nothing comes for free, the forum needs traffic, shitposters provide that, so everytime you run into a shitpost from a Yobit member consider it forum fees.
Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: cabron on April 22, 2019, 08:56:14 AM if you do that,why wouldnt you remove signatures instead for more convenience? simple as that. The forum has a net-gain with paid signatures being allowed (spam is an 'acceptable consequence' of it). Removing signatures means a decent part of the forum's activity drops as "only-here-for-the-pay" members leave. We should try it though. No-sig September, anyone? In September, the forum would be dead as well. Believe it or not, we have a good thing going on in the forum. The best thing that a forum could ever happen. If you have been on the internet for quite awhile you must have heard of Digitalpoint Websmaters forum, they also allow signatures to be rented before 2010. Digitalpoint was a very busy forum until they disallow renting. Now they are dead. Theymos hired mods and staff. Let them handle all these. Just walk care free in the forum. Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: tranthidung on April 22, 2019, 09:18:13 AM It is inappropriately to call Yobit as a scam exchange, at least so far.
I think I've voiced my opinion enough times on this matter, so I won't get into my opinion about whether their new campaign is a good idea or good for the forum. Well, at least not extensively. But I've always said I missed Yobit's campaign after I quit it and when it subsequently ended. As far as signature campaigns go, it was fantastic and was the first one I ever joined after being a member here for about 9 months if I recall correctly. There were never any problems with payouts, and you didn't have to wait a week to get paid--they pay out within hours. The only lousy thing about it was that your payment went directly into your Yobit account, which you were obliged to have, and if you wanted to withdraw your funds there was a fee. I recall it being pretty steep and I often converted bitcoin into an altcoin that had a lower withdrawal fee. Yobit's bitcointalk account is painted red, and I'm sure it deserves it, but I just can't wrap my head around Yobit being a scam exchange overall. For me they've always done everything I've expected of them. Every trade I've done was without issue and I never had any trouble withdrawing my funds. That said, I don't doubt others who say they've had trouble with Yobit. I think the major problem with them is their customer service. They just don't resolve issues quickly or at all. I think of Yobit as more of an exchange that's run very poorly but one that isn't truly a scam service. Anyway, we'll see how this all plays out. I'm definitely noticing a lot of shitposting by members wearing the Yobit sig, and that's not good. Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: cabalism13 on April 22, 2019, 09:29:48 AM Instead of leaving Negative Feedback, Forum Spammers should just be nuked and banned.
As of now, I have abused the "Report to the Moderator" Button and reported mostly Yobit Participants who made Post Bursting and spamming every Sections especially the Yobit Signature Campaign Thread in Service Section. More will be reported, as long as I can see non sense replies and feedbacks. With this I can make a Report for about a hundred in just a day! (This really killing my time, good for me for I'm at the Recovery Phase herein the hospital :D - for I have something to do while in bed) Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: tranthidung on April 22, 2019, 09:33:11 AM Instead of leaving Negative Feedback, Forum Spammers should just be nuked and banned. I don't think spamming will result in nuking accounts? I have never read such rule on nuking accounts due to spamming. Maybe I missed it. So, can you point it out if there is really a rule on nuking accounts due to spamming, please. :)Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: Findingnemo on April 22, 2019, 09:35:40 AM Instead of leaving Negative Feedback, Forum Spammers should just be nuked and banned. I don't think spamming will result in nuking accounts? I have never read such rule on nuking accounts due to spamming. Maybe I missed it. So, can you point it out if there is really a rule on nuking accounts due to spamming, please. :)Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: cabron on April 22, 2019, 09:54:11 AM Never have complains about yobit but they are shady for pumping and dumping coins every time. You can read in their chat about which coin are pumping, users are shouting on the chat box. Its hard to prove their involvement but then of course we already know exchanges are doing it. Who knows what Binance are doing before they got their current status. So lets all be fair to all. If you leave red to those yobit signature campaign bounty hunters, you might just give negative to those who suggest use binance. Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: klaaas on April 22, 2019, 11:41:18 AM Cant judge them all on the sig only, stubborn users that are repeatedly breaking the rules and get annoying would be material to distrust/ignore/tag
Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: cabalism13 on April 22, 2019, 11:50:20 AM Instead of leaving Negative Feedback, Forum Spammers should just be nuked and banned. I don't think spamming will result in nuking accounts? I have never read such rule on nuking accounts due to spamming. Maybe I missed it. So, can you point it out if there is really a rule on nuking accounts due to spamming, please. :)There are no such rule mate, but I have seen it already somewhere here. To make it short, it depends on the Mods' own discretion whether the user deserves to be nuked. (And actually its only my idea, and I don't see it as a bad thing, especially if these users are only intended to spam in the first place.) :P Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: blurryeyed on April 22, 2019, 03:25:37 PM Q: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming?
A: Yes, absolutely. Yobit have been scamming for years, everyone knows that, especially the (tens of?) 100's of users who have been scammed by them. Moderators have already deleted their service thread which was crammed with fake/shill/bumping accounts & they have a multitude of scam accusations against them that Yobit have completely ignored - every single one of them. They are the scourge of both the crypto sphere and this forum. It is right that scams be tagged & it is also right that those who promote scams should be tagged - Yobit are no different, in fact they are the worse kind of scam, the one that preys on noobs who don't know any better. I have always tagged scams & I will continue to do so, it helps warn others as well as myself that certain members are untrustworthy & unethical. Yes, MODS have a job to do, but so does the BCT community. Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: fudster on April 22, 2019, 04:22:55 PM All campaigns that require a certain amount of post each week could be seen as adding more spam to this forum, Yobit campaign is paying people without the need to reach a certain amount of posts how great is that. They also never said that you should post the max amount of post they are willing to pay and when Yobit did announce the relaunch of the signature they directly added some extra rules to this campaign so they did thought about the problems from the last signature campaign. It's never good to judge about a whole group of people when some individuals are the main problem, in each campaign you will find rotten apples and if people go to far you have always the forum mods and staff that can kick/block people from joining a specific campaign. https://yobit.io/en/signature/details/ (https://yobit.io/en/signature/details/) ★☆★ Rules ★☆★ Poor quality and unconstructive posts will not be tolerated on this campaign. You don't need to write an essay with each post but one word replies in spammy off topic threads or streams of constant half-assed one liners will immediately get you removed. Please just put some effort in to your posts and you'll be fine. Users with negative feedback from defaulttrust members are no longer permitted on the campaign. If you sign up you will be removed. Any user who hasn't made a post in over a month will also be removed. Enjoy it while it last though. Yobit campaign was known to pay so delayed like more than two weeks. If you read the old threads they have some users are complaining about the funds running out so you have to wait til they put funds for the withdrawals of the participants. They don't scam bounty hunters but will keep you waiting that's the issue awaits. Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: tranthidung on April 22, 2019, 04:36:22 PM When newbies found spamming then they will be nuked by mods,but if they atleast reached Jr.Rank or above then nuke is not possible they might get temporary or perma ban as punishment. Spam or shitposts only might lead to temp bans, if they don't violate and get the fourth bans, that will be perm bans. Only plagiarism will lead to immediately permbans. I don't see rules on account nukes, in the topic below. So, if forum staffs read my post, please help with links to rule on nuking accounts. Or, if someone knew about it, and had links, please share them here.Quote First offence: 7 days Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1684035.0Second offence: 14 days Third offence: 30 days Fourth: Permanent ban Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: 2girls on April 22, 2019, 05:20:46 PM but theymos is too lazy I agree we need a heavy handed approach here, but I don't think it has anything to do with laziness. If theymos wanted to ban the YoBit campaign and their spammers, I'm sure he would do so. It's more an issue of how far you let individual users' freedom to say what they want (including spamming) encroach on everyone else's ability to actually use the forum.If it were down to me, I would immediately hand out a 7 day ban to the majority of the YoBit spammers, and disable all signatures which mention YoBit for 7 days. Obviously theymos disagrees. Lauda, I am agree with you. Would you also tell us your arguments without wearing the Fortune Jack Signature ? ;D [Double Standards] Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: Lauda on April 22, 2019, 05:23:19 PM Lauda, I am agree with you. Unlike you, mr. Pajeet, I am not required to make a single post. :-* Double-standards only if you're a shitposting baboon with limited Would you also tell us your arguments without wearing the Fortune Jack Signature ? ;D [Double Standards] Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: 2girls on April 22, 2019, 05:31:12 PM Lauda, I am agree with you. Unlike you, mr. Pajeet, I am not required to make a single post. :-* Double-standards only if you're a shitposting baboon with limited Would you also tell us your arguments without wearing the Fortune Jack Signature ? ;D [Double Standards] What is your definition of Shit posting ? A Person with a Negative trust is a shit poster .. A person with a Yobit Signature is a shit poster ... What Else you have in your Brain Power :-* Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: TalkStar on April 22, 2019, 06:05:45 PM Its better to leave spamming issues for moderators where mods will take their decission to take appropriate actions against them. Reporting to moderators is our responsibility if we find spammers activity on forum. So I think same things will be fair for yobit too.
Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: tranthidung on April 22, 2019, 06:15:18 PM Its better to leave spamming issues for moderators where mods will take their decission to take appropriate actions against them. Reporting to moderators is our responsibility if we find spammers activity on forum. So I think same things will be fair for yobit too. Admin solved it with helps from DdmrDdmr (maybe). DdmrDdmr helped theymos months ago to add dozen of merit sources, so I guess he helped admin again. Singature ban 14 days or 60 days, depends.Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: mindrust on April 22, 2019, 06:29:27 PM The problem here is, theymos is making money from their activity. If we ban every shitposter there is and scare people away, there would be 50 active users left in the forum posting relevant stuff. This is nothing new anyway. I remember it was exactly the same in 2014 and I know it will be exactly same 5 years later. Just leave it to the mods. Also: [img width:100]https://i.ibb.co/CJxNd7w/dder.png[/img] It doesn't look good already. Banning yobit sigs will definitely not make it better. 129 users who were wearing a yobit signature and had at least 1 good report against them in the last 14 days are banned for 14 days. All yobit signatures are wiped. Signatures containing "yobit.net" are banned for 60 days. Some people were talking about neg-trusting spammers for spamming. This is not appropriate; report the posts, and if that doesn't seem to be working well, come to Meta with specific examples and suggestions. Wow I didn't expect that one. He actually did it. I believe this is the first time he mass banned signatures of a significant company. Am I wrong? Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: DdmrDdmr on April 22, 2019, 07:27:02 PM <...>Admin solved it with helps from DdmrDdmr (maybe).<...> Not really. I figure that those banned 129 signature bearers did their share by misrepresenting the brand, and the reports that people rightfully placed, that led to them being investigated and eventually temp-banned, did the rest. Objectively, that amount of banned users on a single incipient campaign denotes a clear lack of campaign management, and although things built up pretty fast, it should have been foreseen as a possibility and gateways should have been installed beforehand to campaign participation, further than the mere rank. Title: Re: Leave negative feedback for Yobit spamming? Post by: TheNewAnon135246 on April 22, 2019, 07:32:04 PM Problem solved, topic will be locked.
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