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Title: Japan to Provide G20 With Solution for Crypto Regulation
Post by: alyssa85 on April 23, 2019, 12:55:14 PM
https://news.bitcoin.com/japan-g20-cryptocurrency-regulation/

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Japan is preparing to share its experience regarding cryptocurrency regulation with finance ministers and central bank governors from other G20 countries at the upcoming summit which it will host in June. According to local media, Japanese regulators have a solution for crypto regulation to offer the G20 countries.

According to local news outlet Sankeibiz, Japanese regulators have created a handbook “that each [G20] country can use for regulations, such as measures to prevent the outflow of virtual currency.”

“International rules are being developed to prevent money laundering and terrorist financing, with virtual currency restrictions in place,” the news outlet described Monday. “On the other hand, there are no rules in terms of the protection of customer assets and the soundness of the market, so it is the first time that certain ideas are shared internationally,”

It remains to be seen whether the other G20 countries are interested though.


Title: Re: Japan to Provide G20 With Solution for Crypto Regulation
Post by: aad140386 on April 23, 2019, 01:27:54 PM
In fact, the governments of many countries are reconsidering their attitude to cryptocurrencies and even the Russian national bank, which previously stated that cryptocurrency are monetary surrogates and now prohibit cryptocurrency activities to be more loyal to cryptocurrencies and see them as a prospect and opportunity to protect themselves from US sanction. In addition, the Russian central bank is considering the possibility of creating a steablcoin provided by the state. Similar positive developments are occurring in many countries.


Title: Re: Japan to Provide G20 With Solution for Crypto Regulation
Post by: YuginKadoya on April 23, 2019, 01:33:51 PM
I really think that Japan really wants Cryptocurrency and especially Bitcoin to spread from different countries to country and they are doing a lot of work to make it happen, I really think after regulating cryptocurrency in their country they are starting to see the potential of it and realize that they need help from different countries to make it happen, And they have a financial service agency to prevent suspicious transaction and report them to the authorities, I really think that this is helpful for different countries to simply make Japan as a model country if they are having trouble adopting cryptocurrencies.  


Title: Re: Japan to Provide G20 With Solution for Crypto Regulation
Post by: creeps on April 23, 2019, 01:57:54 PM
Most of the G20 country will do adopt for sure, and its Good that Japan started this one. They really support cryptocurrency and I can’t wait to visit Japan soon and try some coffee shop their and use my bitcoin there. I hope this guidlines can help G20 countries and other nation to understand cryptocurrency, its about time for this.


Title: Re: Japan to Provide G20 With Solution for Crypto Regulation
Post by: alisafidel58 on April 23, 2019, 02:20:13 PM
At least Japan is somehow taking a stand over cryptocurrency. This is quite a bold move for Japan to have a discussion about cryptocurrency in the G20 summit. I just hope that there will be some good outcome upon this G20 summit meeting that they have and manage to put some discussion over cryptocurrency when there are a lot more important things to discuss in that summit.


Title: Re: Japan to Provide G20 With Solution for Crypto Regulation
Post by: mk4 on April 23, 2019, 02:28:27 PM
Yeah but how can they stop blockchain?

Them being impossible to stop blockchain isn't the point. For bitcoin and cryptocurrencies to evolve and prosper faster, clear regulations regarding cryptocurrencies are needed. Also, I'd definitely prefer using BTC in a country that it's confirmed to be legal.


Title: Re: Japan to Provide G20 With Solution for Crypto Regulation
Post by: The Cryptovator on April 23, 2019, 02:44:22 PM
It's been long time that hearing about regulation of cryptocurrency. But still now we haven't gotten any results. But if a powerful country like Japan take step regarding it then we can expect something. But regulation crypto-currency isn't easy task really although I don't have much knowledge about it. But since any transaction isn't traceable then how it would be regulated? I think only fund raising could be regulated if they want. Wondering how they could regulate bitcoin since it has no any record about sender and receiver.


Title: Re: Japan to Provide G20 With Solution for Crypto Regulation
Post by: vit05 on April 23, 2019, 02:58:07 PM
I believe that disassociating the bitcoin with terrorism and money laundering is the best thing that can be done. Governments will try to hamper transactions using Bitcoin if it is widely used for these two options.

I want to use cryptocurrencies in my day to day. And I have no intention of laundering money or financing terrorism with the cryptocurrencies I own. Cryptocurrencies are superior to fiat and current credit card companies. Society needs to recognize this before politicians try to associate this technology with illegal activities.


Title: Re: Japan to Provide G20 With Solution for Crypto Regulation
Post by: avikz on April 23, 2019, 02:59:52 PM
https://news.bitcoin.com/japan-g20-cryptocurrency-regulation/

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Japan is preparing to share its experience regarding cryptocurrency regulation with finance ministers and central bank governors from other G20 countries at the upcoming summit which it will host in June. According to local media, Japanese regulators have a solution for crypto regulation to offer the G20 countries.

According to local news outlet Sankeibiz, Japanese regulators have created a handbook “that each [G20] country can use for regulations, such as measures to prevent the outflow of virtual currency.”

“International rules are being developed to prevent money laundering and terrorist financing, with virtual currency restrictions in place,” the news outlet described Monday. “On the other hand, there are no rules in terms of the protection of customer assets and the soundness of the market, so it is the first time that certain ideas are shared internationally,”

It remains to be seen whether the other G20 countries are interested though.

I really appreciate what Japan is trying to do. They are the pioneer to legalize cryptos and they have also understood that a big knowledge gap is preventing other countries to adopt cryptos. It's commendable that at least they are trying to beidge the gap.

Even though the orthodox countries will not going to change their stance, but at least they will get the idea of how things can be regularize instead of an blanket ban!


Title: Re: Japan to Provide G20 With Solution for Crypto Regulation
Post by: Beerwizzard on April 23, 2019, 04:46:46 PM
Wars? North Korea nuclear programme? Or maybe international relationships? What will leaders of the most powerful countries discuss? Do you really believe that the world's elite will gather in China, sit around the table and would start discussing cryptocurrencies? IMHO it sounds like bullshit.


Title: Re: Japan to Provide G20 With Solution for Crypto Regulation
Post by: kryptqnick on April 23, 2019, 04:55:13 PM
In my opinion, Japan has one of the best regulations for cryptocurrencies. Unlike other countries we call 'crypto-friendly', Japan actually recognizes Bitcoin as a legal tender. This country also plans to conduct an experiment with implementation of cryptocurrencies soon. I think it's not only good that someone brought up the topic in G20, but that it was Japan with its pretty attractive approach.


Title: Re: Japan to Provide G20 With Solution for Crypto Regulation
Post by: Yakamoto on April 23, 2019, 05:13:23 PM
https://news.bitcoin.com/japan-g20-cryptocurrency-regulation/

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Japan is preparing to share its experience regarding cryptocurrency regulation with finance ministers and central bank governors from other G20 countries at the upcoming summit which it will host in June. According to local media, Japanese regulators have a solution for crypto regulation to offer the G20 countries.

According to local news outlet Sankeibiz, Japanese regulators have created a handbook “that each [G20] country can use for regulations, such as measures to prevent the outflow of virtual currency.”

“International rules are being developed to prevent money laundering and terrorist financing, with virtual currency restrictions in place,” the news outlet described Monday. “On the other hand, there are no rules in terms of the protection of customer assets and the soundness of the market, so it is the first time that certain ideas are shared internationally,”

It remains to be seen whether the other G20 countries are interested though.
Sounds like Japan's trying to break Bitcoin. This is why I can't trust a government to regulate anything that goes beyond their sphere of influence; they totally muck it up.

There isn't any way to "prevent" the outflow of Bitcoin without some kind of massive intervention, and a hard fork, which would somehow limit transactions to their geographical coordinates. There isn't any way to implement something like that in a way that the community will accept. Trying to add consumer protection can easily be done through expanded escrow services, it's not like a government has to step in and operate Bitcoin wallets like they're bank accounts.


Title: Re: Japan to Provide G20 With Solution for Crypto Regulation
Post by: Baofeng on April 23, 2019, 06:16:57 PM
Those solutions are not new, in my opinion, and it only boils down that government should be really involved and put everything under their control, for which is goes against the premise of decentralisation. Anyways let's see if this framework could led into something. The downside of this is that the G20 is thinking to put up a 'universal regulatory body', at least that's what I interpret during their last meeting last year.


Title: Re: Japan to Provide G20 With Solution for Crypto Regulation
Post by: monalia on April 23, 2019, 06:44:41 PM
https://news.bitcoin.com/japan-g20-cryptocurrency-regulation/

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Japan is preparing to share its experience regarding cryptocurrency regulation with finance ministers and central bank governors from other G20 countries at the upcoming summit which it will host in June. According to local media, Japanese regulators have a solution for crypto regulation to offer the G20 countries.

According to local news outlet Sankeibiz, Japanese regulators have created a handbook “that each [G20] country can use for regulations, such as measures to prevent the outflow of virtual currency.”

“International rules are being developed to prevent money laundering and terrorist financing, with virtual currency restrictions in place,” the news outlet described Monday. “On the other hand, there are no rules in terms of the protection of customer assets and the soundness of the market, so it is the first time that certain ideas are shared internationally,”

It remains to be seen whether the other G20 countries are interested though.

Naah ignore these G20 countries whoever declines to accept the bitcoin or legalization over it. Few years before itself this Japanese take bitcoin into action and they are accepting it in their country.
If you are not ahead of this bitcoin acceptance country you will be out this technology race for sure.


Title: Re: Japan to Provide G20 With Solution for Crypto Regulation
Post by: kingpin4321 on April 23, 2019, 07:05:30 PM
I don't think g20 would adopt this because it comprises of nations and some off those nation might have there own different opinion when it comes to cryptocurrency so I don't think this would materialize


Title: Re: Japan to Provide G20 With Solution for Crypto Regulation
Post by: n0ne on April 23, 2019, 07:11:10 PM
As Japan has already a big supporter to the cryptocurrency usage it will take further steps to make every country get into bitcoin usage. As the regulation of bitcoin into countries were a big concern for lot of users G20 summit is being focused on the issue. From my view we'll get some positive support and surely this will cause a big change in the prevailing market of bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies.


Title: Re: Japan to Provide G20 With Solution for Crypto Regulation
Post by: Haunebu on April 23, 2019, 07:11:51 PM
Wars? North Korea nuclear programme? Or maybe international relationships? What will leaders of the most powerful countries discuss? Do you really believe that the world's elite will gather in China, sit around the table and would start discussing cryptocurrencies? IMHO it sounds like bullshit.
Discussion related to a billion dollar market sounds crazy? You have got to be kidding with me. I know that there are far more important issues which you mentioned, but majority of the entire world recognized Bitcoin(Positive or negative) after the 2017 rally.

This is why this isn't a trivial issue at all, but I don't think one country can change the opinions of others unless there is some kind of huge incentive for them.


Title: Re: Japan to Provide G20 With Solution for Crypto Regulation
Post by: okala on April 23, 2019, 07:15:11 PM
I believe finance minister and central bank of members of the G20 who will be present in the meeting in June will really be interested in Japan regulatory experience and will want to tap into the same space with Japan, if regulations will prevent users against hack and fraud as stated then it will be a welcome idea.


Title: Re: Japan to Provide G20 With Solution for Crypto Regulation
Post by: alyssa85 on April 23, 2019, 07:16:33 PM

Sounds like Japan's trying to break Bitcoin. This is why I can't trust a government to regulate anything that goes beyond their sphere of influence; they totally muck it up.

There isn't any way to "prevent" the outflow of Bitcoin without some kind of massive intervention, and a hard fork, which would somehow limit transactions to their geographical coordinates. There isn't any way to implement something like that in a way that the community will accept. Trying to add consumer protection can easily be done through expanded escrow services, it's not like a government has to step in and operate Bitcoin wallets like they're bank accounts.

They're not trying to break bitcoin. Just share what they've learned from the Mt Gox fiasco, plus their experience with several other exchanges that got hacked.

Crypto will only get adopted if users feel safe and feel their coins are safe. Regulators can go a big distance in making it safe if they keep a close eye on the exchanges.


Title: Re: Japan to Provide G20 With Solution for Crypto Regulation
Post by: squatter on April 23, 2019, 07:25:48 PM
https://news.bitcoin.com/japan-g20-cryptocurrency-regulation/

It remains to be seen whether the other G20 countries are interested though.

I really hope other countries don't take the route of Japan, who can only be described as over-regulating. Japan is using its licensing scheme to force exchanges to de-list any cryptocurrencies it deems to be a threat (https://www.forbes.com/sites/adelsteinjake/2018/04/30/japans-financial-regulator-is-pushing-crypto-exchanges-to-drop-altcoins-favored-by-criminals/). Several exchanges have de-listed privacy coins as a result:

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The FSA has also informed other exchanges applying to be registered, that dealing with these three highly anonymous cryptocurrencies [Monero, Zcash, and Dash] would be detrimental to gaining approval.

I'd much prefer to see a more hands-off approach to regulation.


Title: Re: Japan to Provide G20 With Solution for Crypto Regulation
Post by: Beerwizzard on April 23, 2019, 07:33:15 PM
Wars? North Korea nuclear programme? Or maybe international relationships? What will leaders of the most powerful countries discuss? Do you really believe that the world's elite will gather in China, sit around the table and would start discussing cryptocurrencies? IMHO it sounds like bullshit.
Discussion related to a billion dollar market sounds crazy? You have got to be kidding with me. I know that there are far more important issues which you mentioned, but majority of the entire world recognized Bitcoin(Positive or negative) after the 2017 rally.

This is why this isn't a trivial issue at all, but I don't think one country can change the opinions of others unless there is some kind of huge incentive for them.
First of all those billions do not influence the world economy so that's probably not the most important thing that they should discuss.
Second is that politicians are taking part in G20 summits, not economists and not bankers. They are not competent to discuss economic details and they probably won't do it.


Title: Re: Japan to Provide G20 With Solution for Crypto Regulation
Post by: Yaunfitda on April 24, 2019, 04:35:27 AM
I don't think g20 would adopt this because it comprises of nations and some off those nation might have there own different opinion when it comes to cryptocurrency so I don't think this would materialize

And that is why they are trying to make compromise here.

As Japan has already a big supporter to the cryptocurrency usage it will take further steps to make every country get into bitcoin usage. As the regulation of bitcoin into countries were a big concern for lot of users G20 summit is being focused on the issue. From my view we'll get some positive support and surely this will cause a big change in the prevailing market of bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies.

The thing is that there are also lots of nation in the opposite side of the spectrum. So I don't think that this proposal will have positive support specially from the other side. I say it would get approve. Let every country have their own regulatory framework and not some standards.


Title: Re: Japan to Provide G20 With Solution for Crypto Regulation
Post by: lyks15 on April 24, 2019, 05:29:21 AM
I hope G20 will adopt crypto regulation. We all know that Japan is a rich and progressive country and they have enough knowledge in digital industry. So I believe that they can easily convince other country to adopt crypto regulation. Even most of country are against bitcoin I know that Japan can be a role model to other country about crypto regulation.


Title: Re: Japan to Provide G20 With Solution for Crypto Regulation
Post by: figmentofmyass on April 24, 2019, 05:34:19 AM
In my opinion, Japan has one of the best regulations for cryptocurrencies. Unlike other countries we call 'crypto-friendly', Japan actually recognizes Bitcoin as a legal tender.

recognizing bitcoin this way amounted to very rigid AML/KYC procedures and strict supervision by the FSA. not only that, but as others have mentioned, the FSA has also been forcing exchanges to remove privacy coins in order to receive an operating license.

best regulations? i don't think so.


Title: Re: Japan to Provide G20 With Solution for Crypto Regulation
Post by: Kakmakr on April 24, 2019, 05:54:36 AM
https://news.bitcoin.com/japan-g20-cryptocurrency-regulation/

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Japan is preparing to share its experience regarding cryptocurrency regulation with finance ministers and central bank governors from other G20 countries at the upcoming summit which it will host in June. According to local media, Japanese regulators have a solution for crypto regulation to offer the G20 countries.

According to local news outlet Sankeibiz, Japanese regulators have created a handbook “that each [G20] country can use for regulations, such as measures to prevent the outflow of virtual currency.”

“International rules are being developed to prevent money laundering and terrorist financing, with virtual currency restrictions in place,” the news outlet described Monday. “On the other hand, there are no rules in terms of the protection of customer assets and the soundness of the market, so it is the first time that certain ideas are shared internationally,”

It remains to be seen whether the other G20 countries are interested though.
Sounds like Japan's trying to break Bitcoin. This is why I can't trust a government to regulate anything that goes beyond their sphere of influence; they totally muck it up.

There isn't any way to "prevent" the outflow of Bitcoin without some kind of massive intervention, and a hard fork, which would somehow limit transactions to their geographical coordinates. There isn't any way to implement something like that in a way that the community will accept. Trying to add consumer protection can easily be done through expanded escrow services, it's not like a government has to step in and operate Bitcoin wallets like they're bank accounts.

Nope, they cannot "change" the Bitcoin protocol or hardfork the technology to suite their needs. They will use proper regulation to "force" people to use Bitcoin in a way that KYC/AML is required by law. If someone use Bitcoin without these requirements, they will be prosecuted.

A lot of criminals will still be able to bypass capital control mechanisms, so they will just hunt them down and make examples of them. So the message to the G20 countries will be to "outlaw" Bitcoin use without KYC/AML regulations.  >:(


Title: Re: Japan to Provide G20 With Solution for Crypto Regulation
Post by: ubay on April 24, 2019, 07:09:11 AM
Japan is indeed a very advanced country in terms of technology, it can see great opportunities in the future for bitcoin. Therefore Japan fights for bitcoin to become legal throughout the world. It is indeed not an easy thing, but if we join in supporting it then it will definitely happen.


Title: Re: Japan to Provide G20 With Solution for Crypto Regulation
Post by: Irvinn on May 03, 2019, 08:49:35 PM
Japan can really help the G-20 countries to understand how to handle cryptocurrency and how to regulate it. Only I don’t like that the issues of preventing dirty money laundering and combating the financing of terrorism are discussed first, and only after that the general issues of cryptocurrency circulation and protection of participants of the cryptocurrency market are discussed. The issue of regulating the activities of the ICO has long been long overdue, but for some reason, the states in this matter are too slow.


Title: Re: Japan to Provide G20 With Solution for Crypto Regulation
Post by: Artemis3 on May 03, 2019, 10:16:17 PM
Japan KYC includes sending you a 2fa code by mail. No not email, actual snail mail, as a letter to the physical address you provide... I hope, such ideas don't spread. But yes i admit that's one of the countries with most experience regulating (over or under) Bitcoin and others. I know for a fact using Bitflyer is a PITA compared to your average American exchange. Oddly that particular exchange also works as sort of payment processor for some stores, and confusingly, call that service Lightning (completely unrelated to LN). So you get to read things like "Lightning payments" on their site...