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Title: In 5 years all ASICs will be replaced by this...
Post by: Come-from-Beyond on March 13, 2014, 08:18:57 AM
http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/03/hp-corona/

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Codenamed Corona, this laser-powered contraption would handle 10 trillion floating points operations a second. In other words, if you put just five of them together, you’d approach the speed of today’s supercomputers. The chip’s 256 cores would communicate with each other at an astonishing 20 terabytes per second, and they’d talk to memory at 10 terabytes a second.


Title: Re: In 5 years all ASICs will be replaced by this...
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on March 13, 2014, 08:20:17 AM
I just triple-vetted myself. Anybody interested in a group buy?

http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/wp-content/uploads//2012/03/ring-of-fire1.jpg


Title: Re: In 5 years all ASICs will be replaced by this...
Post by: Come-from-Beyond on March 13, 2014, 08:22:44 AM
I just triple-vetted myself. Anybody interested in a group buy?

Of coz, just publish address where to send money to.


Title: Re: In 5 years all ASICs will be replaced by this...
Post by: railzand on March 13, 2014, 08:33:10 AM
5 years and 2 weeks


Title: Re: In 5 years all ASICs will be replaced by this...
Post by: podyx on March 13, 2014, 08:42:03 AM
is this good or bad?


Title: Re: In 5 years all ASICs will be replaced by this...
Post by: philipk999 on March 13, 2014, 08:49:27 AM
Is it on the BFL website yet................


Title: Re: In 5 years all ASICs will be replaced by this...
Post by: SpaceJelly on March 13, 2014, 08:50:35 AM
Is it on the BFL website yet................
They're already taking pre-orders  ;D


Title: Re: In 5 years all ASICs will be replaced by this...
Post by: ujka on March 13, 2014, 09:18:46 AM
I just triple-vetted myself. Anybody interested in a group buy?

Of coz, just publish address where to send money to.
http://photonicmining.com/#products

 ;D no need for a group buy - 125th/s for $9,999, and shipping Q3 2014!  ;D

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=511604.0


Title: Re: In 5 years all ASICs will be replaced by this...
Post by: jarhed on March 13, 2014, 09:34:24 AM
Crypto-currency will be the driving force behind making this a reality that much sooner.........


Title: Re: In 5 years all ASICs will be replaced by this...
Post by: b!z on March 13, 2014, 09:37:42 AM
I just triple-vetted myself. Anybody interested in a group buy?

Of coz, just publish address where to send money to.
http://photonicmining.com/#products

 ;D no need for a group buy - 125th/s for $9,999, and shipping Q3 2014!  ;D

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=511604.0
photonic mining is a scam


Title: Re: In 5 years all ASICs will be replaced by this...
Post by: intron on March 13, 2014, 10:18:26 AM
5 years and 2 weeks

You forgot the (TM) sign;)


Title: Re: In 5 years all ASICs will be replaced by this...
Post by: cedivad on March 13, 2014, 10:26:10 AM
photonic mining is a scam
I'm looking into it right now... You have to give it to them that they putted some real effort in this scam...

https://bitcointa.lk/threads/photonicmining-pretty-balsy.279611/ (https://bitcointa.lk/threads/photonicmining-pretty-balsy.279611/)
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #fOIBURwGq5n5yQwm


Title: Re: In 5 years all ASICs will be replaced by this...
Post by: HiroS on March 13, 2014, 10:34:22 AM
How close does this come to mining private keys?

This is my fear, that I will wake one day and it will all be over as the private keys get mined. I heard that there are some plans to migrate private keys to something more secure. Does anyone have a link for this?


Title: Re: In 5 years all ASICs will be replaced by this...
Post by: cedivad on March 13, 2014, 10:36:04 AM
How close does this come to mining private keys?
This has nothing to do with private keys, that if unspent (as signature of the private key is not available under public domain, the blockchain), are quantum - computing - proof.
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Title: Re: In 5 years all ASICs will be replaced by this...
Post by: HiroS on March 13, 2014, 10:55:15 AM
Did I read that right, private keys are quantum computer proof? Party on then :)

So, as you have the public keys you could try and brute force the private key that corresponds to the public key. However this is impractical as it would take an extremely long time, like, the sun would burn out before you got the right key. But perhaps some magic future technology can do this, you never know. Some of the things we take for granted today were deemed impossible in the past.


Title: Re: In 5 years all ASICs will be replaced by this...
Post by: jonald_fyookball on March 13, 2014, 10:56:26 AM
How close does this come to mining private keys?

This is my fear, that I will wake one day and it will all be over as the private keys get mined. I heard that there are some plans to migrate private keys to something more secure. Does anyone have a link for this?

Lol. NO.. See the thread on stealing satoshis stash.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=508880.0


Title: Re: In 5 years all ASICs will be replaced by this...
Post by: tkbx on March 13, 2014, 11:19:40 AM
http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/03/hp-corona/

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Codenamed Corona, this laser-powered contraption would handle 10 trillion floating points operations a second. In other words, if you put just five of them together, you’d approach the speed of today’s supercomputers. The chip’s 256 cores would communicate with each other at an astonishing 20 terabytes per second, and they’d talk to memory at 10 terabytes a second.
The question isn't necessarily how fast it can compute anything, it's how fast it can compute SHA256. By the time this is out, there will be better ASICs that will be faster for mining than this thing.


Title: Re: In 5 years all ASICs will be replaced by this...
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on March 13, 2014, 01:47:29 PM
Is it on the BFL website yet................
They're already taking pre-orders  ;D

haha, thought the same  :D


Title: Re: In 5 years all ASICs will be replaced by this...
Post by: Liquid on March 13, 2014, 02:34:18 PM
Amazing speeds  :o


Title: Re: In 5 years all ASICs will be replaced by this...
Post by: Come-from-Beyond on March 13, 2014, 02:45:14 PM
Amazing speeds  :o

Aye, u would mine all the bitcoins within 2-3 years.  :D


Title: Re: In 5 years all ASICs will be replaced by this...
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on March 13, 2014, 02:50:34 PM
The question isn't necessarily how fast it can compute anything, it's how fast it can compute SHA256. By the time this is out, there will be better ASICs that will be faster for mining than this thing.

Exactly.  This is rather unremarkable compared to the power of existing ASICs.  The article doesn't mention integer performance and that isn't unusual most super computers are focusing on high floating point performance and high bandwidth interconnects. 

Still if we assume an equivalent integer performance (more likely it will be significantly lower) that would be 10 trillion IntOps per second.  SHA-256 is 80 rounds lets assume (highly optimistically) that it can do one round per IntOp that would be 80 IntOps per hash.  Lets round up to 100 to include loading, incrementing, checking logic.   So 10 trillion integer operations = 100 GH/s.


Title: Re: In 5 years all ASICs will be replaced by this...
Post by: Come-from-Beyond on March 13, 2014, 03:02:49 PM
The question isn't necessarily how fast it can compute anything, it's how fast it can compute SHA256. By the time this is out, there will be better ASICs that will be faster for mining than this thing.

Exactly.  This is rather unremarkable compared to the power of existing ASICs.  The article doesn't mention integer performance and that isn't unusual most super computers are focusing on high floating point performance and high bandwidth interconnects.  

Still if we assume an equivalent integer performance (more likely it will be significantly lower) that would be 10 trillion IntOps per second.  SHA-256 is 80 rounds lets assume (highly optimistically) that it can do one round per IntOp that would be 80 IntOps per hash.  Lets round up to 100 to include loading, incrementing, checking logic.   So 10 trillion integer operations = 100 GH/s.


Difference between floating point and integer is not so big. Look at SSE registers that work with the both representations using the same bits but slightly different opcodes.

Edit: Even more, 1 floating point operation equals to 4 integer operations.