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I recently got to know about the existence of privacy coins and what they mean. I can imagine why anyone will be interested in its usage being that it's offer more anonymity that the bitcoin ledger. But can such implementation be incorporated into the bitcoin blockchain and make it as a choice for those that don't want input and output to be publicly viewed on the blockchain?

There are some ways to improve privacy in Bitcoin, but they're not quite as extensive as the privacy-oriented coins.  Have a look at the Dandelion protocol for starters.  Some of the other ideas like Bulletproofs, Taproot and Scriptless Scripts are still in the pipeline. 

Seriously not sure about but I know the existence of privacy coins in that we can specifically say that monero, zcash and few others coins are great expo in privacy coins.
One more things bitcoin ledger will not be turn out as privacy coins in future too.

Privacy coins are those coins that hides data about their users. It hides identity even the traded amount of cryptocurrency being held in different wallets.
Bitcoin isn't a private coin because it doesn't hide identity and every data is visible. There are lots of privacy coins like Monero, Dashcoin, Zcash, Verge, Komodo and a lot more.

Bitcoin weren't mean to be privacy coin, some people think using BTC is safer because we can be anonymous behind it but its actually not. Everything that a wallet does like the transactions can be traced back to its owner specially now that we are all requi9red to submit documents to exchanges.  The blockchain of BTC puts everything there in, its different with anon coins like Monero and the rest because it hides under layers and privacy settings.

Bitcoin could technically become more anonymous like other altcoins, however, there would have to be a fork done so that the technology could be implemented. Not a lot of people have been happy with the previous forks that have been implemented, so it would likely split the community unnecessarily. Bitcoin "mixers" already exist, which primarily obfuscate the specifics of a Bitcoin transaction. This is more than enough for most people, as it makes it much more difficult to track the trail of Bitcoin from one address to another.

I would personally just use the various altcoins to move crypto in a "secret" manner. The implementation of a new privacy system likely wouldn't be completed for a long time. It's disappointing, but the community has to agree on it, and I don't think everyone would.

More Privacy!! Seriously bruh? do you know why I have started hating this term now because I do not care about privacy and I think I have taken enough precautions that no one can hack my private keys easily? Do you know why the banking system is still alive, its, because they provide privacy and security  ;D ( hope u got the joke?). Common why will anyone gonna need any more privacy, do u care to provide some links to this new coin!

If you want to stay anonymous but still want to use Bitcoin, there so many good mixer services out there.
One of such services is the one I am wearing in my signature (Bitblender.io)

I think Satoshi's dream was to keep the Bitcoin Blockchain as transparent as possible such that scandalous things like money laundering, fraud and corruption and i believe it should remain that way.

Majority of these privacy coins have their core blockchain protocol embedded with Bitcoin's blockchain protocol  with additional protocols which improve the anonymity nature of their blockchain network. Looking at this additional protocols by these privacy coins, the bitcoin ledger can also be improved and become more private and anonymous if Satoshi decide to upgrade the entire bitcoin's blockchain network. Bitcoin is the definition of privacy and anonymity. 

bitcoin has never meant to give full anonymity to the users, it is only meant for a good level of privacy. because of that if we wanted to change bitcoin to be a full anonymous coin then it would require such fundamental changes that are nearly impossible to implement without breaking everything apart. which is why it will probably never happen. but there are lots of ways to improve that privacy though which are being used like coinjoin.

There will always be market for privacy coins as there are people who prefer not to reveal their records of transactions in the world of cryptocurrency. Bitcoin can be anonymous but definitely not so private as transactions and even your own balance can be viewed by anyone. This is one reason why alternative to Bitcoin focused on privacy are now also doing good business in the market.

It can, but most probably the devs won't incorporate such thing knowing that bitcoin's ethos involves it being centered into transparency with pseudoanonymity involved. With this, the advent of privacy coins became a hit for those who want to keep their transactions a secret to move around the cryptospace. While these techniques privacy coins use cannot be integrated into bitcoin, mixers are still good thing, along some other scripts and whatnot to at least add another layer of security and privacy to some transactions.

Even though Bitcoin has proven to be the most dominant cryptocurrency in recent years, Bitcoin has not been able to meet the needs of all its users. And, in an era where privacy is a more important problem in the community, it seems that some individuals prefer cryptocurrency such as Monero, Zcash, and Dash, which has proven to be more effective in protecting user privacy.

Lol. Wrong. Bitcoin is the most popular cryptocurrency which helps safeguard your privacy to a large extent(Not as much as Monero etc), but it does the job majority of the time according to many investors including me.

Privacy isn't everything. There are other important factors like popularity etc and Bitcoin is the king since it a complete package basically. Also, regular developments like LN, segwit etc make it an even better cryptocurrency which is why it will always stay at the top.

Privacy feature can be implemented in Bitcoin, There are several protocols proposed actually, But implementing is the hard/risky part. I like the way Bitcoin is, If Bitcoin becomes fully private we might face harsh regulations by governments. If you want full privacy Altcoins are the best!

I still trust the bitcoin blockchain to privacy coins in the sense that while bitcoin hide the identity of it users to some extent it still allow for transparency such as enabling other users to know the amount a user holds in his wallet and also trace every transactions on the blockchain which have made it possible for none refounting of payment from any body but the privacy coins on the other hand don't allow all that which make transactions not transparent and which can lead to kiosk in the future.

Monero was the privacy coin i heard initially then after Deeponion made huge impact by airdropping coins to community . But Till now i dint invested single penny for these privacy coins. Its very difficult to sell these privacy coins for fiat currency.

According to CTN... "Though it’s expected that privacy coins would have been a most preferred choice for the dark web, the analysis above reveals that Bitcoin is a preferred choice. We can surmise that this is due to a steadily increasing exchange rate between altcoins in general.:

This is where I got the info from: https://cryptotradernews.com/crypto-trader-pro/bitcoin-btc-vs-privacy-coins-a-use-case-for-crypto-based-ransomware-payments/ (https://cryptotradernews.com/crypto-trader-pro/bitcoin-btc-vs-privacy-coins-a-use-case-for-crypto-based-ransomware-payments/)

Bitcoin have more than enough privacy that could be used by normal people. By using bitcoin mixers you can keep your stash safe without showing it to the other people. This is more than enough until you are sure that someone with a decent amount of resources (for example government) would try to uncover your assets.
So what we get is that there is enough privacy for those, who use BTC for legal purposes.

Bitcoin itself is already privacy, I think the anonymity of Bitcoin is enough even though it's not like the monero and dash (because indeed these 2 coins are privacy coins). If you want to add this, it is related to the implementation of options for those who do not have public input and output on the blockchain that requires hardfork as @ETFbitcoin says.
It would be better if the Blockchain BTC stays like this so that everyone can monitor.
I love BTC like this, its more than enough.

I really don't think incorporating privacy to our daily workflow like voting, drug distribution and office purchases using the Zerocoin protocol and RingCT will be a good idea, since the zerocoin uses the No-Knowledge-Proof, by which the input, output and the inputted datas are not visible to the public, which is used by the Zcoin. Well if we employ this in normal workflow, it will destroy evidence. It's okay to have some class of coins in privacy mode.

Bitcoin will forever be a strong and highly supported blockchain because of the amoount of people who are invested in it. I really respect all these privacy coins coming out especially in terms of daily transactions. There is also the new Elixxir instant messaging and payments platform which is encrypting metadata. Will be interested to see how they integrate a privacy coin

I belong to people who think Privacy should have been a default feature with Bitcoin. Perhaps something like 2 addresses. 1 for anonymous tx and 1 for pseudo-anonymous tx. Unfortunately, things are like that and are not going to change. But if someone is looking for real privacy this is where come mixers and privacy coins.

I am still surprised to see people saying Bitcoin is already anonymous and blah blah blah. I can see that there are a lot of people who don't understand what is privacy, financial privacy.

Yes this is exactly what I meant. The concept of two addresses. Users can choose what suites them at the point of transaction as regarding the kind of privacy the want the transaction to have. I do hope someday a network update will incorporate this feature.

I am for the fact the bitcoin blockchain originally proffered solutions to anonymity of transactions as regard the transaction financial system. But is it really anonymous. Anyone, I mean anyone who knows your wallet address can monitor the amount of input and output you make from your wallet. The worst of them all is the ethereum blockchain. If a family or friend knows your wallet address, they can basically monitor your activities which defies the concept of anonymity of transactions.

I understand why you would love the current bitcoin network this way. I do too. But I think for the bitcoin maximalists who do not want go outside the bitcoin blockchain to make use of options that features to either make a transaction completely anonymous or default.

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I know there will be increase in demand for privacy coins. Though bitcoin has not been much of a privacy as compared to monero, dash, veil and the likes. A lot of people still want their transactions private so the privacy coin will come in handy for them

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Of course it can be implemented in the bitcoin blockchain through a fork, if there ever comes to a time where the fungibility of bitcoin is under threat. Perhaps due to exchanges potentially blocking certain inputs or tainted coins in the future.

But I doubt that it'll happen any time soon, because there simply isn't really a reason at the moment to do that.

Plus, for niche users that are privacy centric they are most likely just going to use the existing privacy coins until the demand for such a feature for bitcoin arises. BTC is already irreversible, and pseudo-anonymous, which for its purposes right now is sufficient.

yeah bitcoin isn't privacy coin in the cryptocurrency. bitcoin use block can be easily trackable but with this blockchain technology the transactions that we have we can easily track it, so bitcoin is not 100% privacy coin.

yes I know this. It was exactly why I created this thread. Do you have any idea as to how the bitcoin blockchain can get the privacy we do desire?

Yes a lot of people actually care about more privacy. No one should be able to know your personal transaction details by simply knowing your wallet address.

I literally know one and only one person personally who is libertarian/anarchist who is pro BTC at this point, to hundreds who used to be but got turned away by constant bans and trolls and absence of all reason. Cults are unbecoming. I owe BTC and I trust more projects like Credits.