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I watched the news last night and I saw how people were demanding better service and/or rights by acting collectively. They

might turn to drastic measures like boycotts or Strikes or even mass mailing complaints to accomplish their goals. We want

these services to start to take Bitcoin seriously, but we are not pushing hard enough. I think we should target one online

merchant and then mass email them collectively to ask them if they could consider accepting Bitcoin as a payment option. We

could switch merchants every other week to reach more merchants.  ;)  Someone should just start a Poll to ask people what

merchant should be targeted first and then details should be posted about the contact details of their support to get things

started. I have been contacting some services individually, but it is not making any impact... I think if MANY people do this

collectively.. then companies will see that there are lots of demand for Bitcoin payments for their services or goods on their

platform. What do you think, would this work?  ???

I'm pretty sure that some people are suggesting other sites/companies to accept bitcoin already. But, they simply currently don't want bitcoin, and it's completely understandable in my opinion. Bitcoin's price volatility is most probably just going to be a huge hassle for them, to implement such a system, with such a small advantage for them as I'm pretty sure people paying with bitcoin will be a very very small minority.

I get your point and there are actually groups who are pushing a lot of merchants even huge businesses and companies to adopt bitcoin but there are really lots of things to consider.
The votality of Bitcoin is one of the major reason why merchants couldn't choose it that easy. Some of them are afraid to take risks.
I guess if every country would adopt Bitcoin, good things and adoptions would follow.

We shouldn't really boycott companies just because they don't accept bitcoin. Acting organized to make companies accept bitcoin isn't really a bright idea in my opinion. It may blow back to our faces.

Instead, as an individual, you should just prefer the companies which accept bitcoin over which doesn't.

I believe these things should develop in a more natural way rather than a "forced way".

I'll give you an example, I see shitloads of "xrpthestandard" fucktards on twitter. I already hate ripple and seeing thousands of them makes me hate ripple even more. Trying to force something down to someones throat is never a nice way of doing things. Especially when that someone already has negative opinions about that thing.

I am not saying advertisement is bad. Overdoing it is indeed bad however.

The reason why we're not pushing services is that people seem to be more focused on hodling to get rich and not using bitcoin.

I honestly don't think that the reason service doesn't accept it is because of volatility, especially lately, it's so stable.

If done, it has to be organized and unless this is started by someone famous within the community, it won't work because most of the people won't take it seriously.

Companies should adopt Bitpay like services, and there are few who already do.

No.

Fuck Bitpay.

Bitpay is a centralized third party piece of shit which has many bugs.

If a company wants to accept bitcoin, it should use BTCpay instead.
https://btcpayserver.org/

You don't really need a third party to accept bitcoin. You don't really accept bitcoin by using bitpay at all. Bitpay isn't helping bitcoin. They are parasites.

All you need to do is, setting up your own BTCPay server and that's it. It works as smooth as bitpay. Actually it works a lot smoother.

We do not need to force anyone to do anything, we merely show them that 1000s of people want to use their service or buy

their products with Bitcoin. I think it is better if 1000s of people ask simultaneously than 1 or 2 people asking occasionally.


Payment processors will not help to increase Bitcoin adoption, it will however drain bitcoins from hoarders and also be

converted to fiat immediately after it reached the payment processor.  :(   We need direct Bitcoin payments without

third party payment processors leeching profits from fees.

I don't think mass emailing a merchant/store will really force something to happen. Especially when it won't really effect their bottom line. Why should big companies like ebay add bitcoin as a payment option? They are doing fine without it, and adding it as a new payment option won't increase income.

Businesses are run by profits. If you can prove that adding bitcoin would help increase profits, the merchant/company might think about adding it as a new payment option, otherwise, will never happen.

The main reason is the high volatility of Bitcoin and altcoins. At some point, we will regret making a purchase by paying BTC when the market starts to show an uptrend. The same goes for merchants. What if the rate goes down. This might incur a great loss for them. I like to see Bitcoin as a commodity.

I think the major hurdles are
- Very high volatilty. Most businesses do not want to fall into a trap of making losses once the price deeps in  no time
- Public is less senstised about the blockchain technology and bitcoin. Very few people now even just the basics about bitcoin.
Other technical aspects like setting up bitcoin wallets, making transactions etc keep the general population less interested in BTC

Even if we does, the company/merchant itself will not look into it as priority. Surely, it was already done in the past.

Disregarding volatility and fluctuations, most company doesn't really making crypto as big deal. They are focused more on improving their business, improving customer relations, enhancing their services etc. because that will give them more profits in the long run rather than to think on a virtual currency which is another thing. And besides, pointing to local merchants, if they sees big global merchants not considering crypto adoption then why should they follow.

But on the bright side, just give it time. Let the process flow without doing an aggressive act.

Moreover, no one can guarantee that after accepting bitcoins for payment, in this store will become a large number of buyers with cryptocurrency. Because this is what any business is seeking - an increase in the number of customers.

We used to do that here on the forum, but that seems to have stopped at one point.
I can clearly remember threads back in 2013 and 2014 where people would show off emails they'd sent to companies, asking them to accept bitcoin.

It was actually one of the more fun aspects of this forum and a big reason why I initially stayed active here.

I would welcome more initiatives like that, maybe even start some of my own.

Collectively sending emails to one merchant then to another may push them away from even considering bitcoin. People has the tendency to go away from aggressive marketing.

We keep making this request/demands but will the community readily support it on a consistent basis?
I can't remember where I read it but there was a news before that featured a store accepting crypto for months but none of their customers have tried.

While the intention is good here, this could lead to a lot of spam which the merchants might not like and they might ban crypto related emails completely. Honestly, after the collapse of Bitcoin and other crypto in 2018, merchants have been a lot more cautious in this aspect.

I believe that the best path here would be to wait patiently and let them realize the value of crypto and provide BTC as an alternative payment option on their own.

I do understand your intention that you want more merchants to accept bitcoin or cryptocurrency as payment. Keep in mind that the risk of bitcoin to be accepted is yet to big for other to take. This might take time since bitcoin is not yet fully adapted and the risk of it's volatility, not to mention mass awareness. This might not be beneficial for them at the moment.

you can`t force anyone to accept your shit for their shit, especially if they know your shit stinks. If only the people woke up and accepted only bitcoin and not fiat, that would be cool  8) Well I am, no fruit and veggies for government fiat this year :)

I was walking to go to timmies this morning, I always bring two smokes with me one for the walk there and one for the walk back, Buddy asked hey you got a smoke (I get asked 20 times a day) I said no, I only have one left, "I`ll buy it off you".


I went to the market when I was a kid a lot (toronto food terminal), I would of have a basket for cherries for $20, I would always get people I can do $15, me: HOW ABOUT $25 can you not read the sign buddy it says $20

http://www.washingtonlaborandemploymentblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/thanks-but-no-thanks.jpg

This year it will be for bitcoin and if they come at me with fiat at the market, same thing :)

btw, not that I care, but most the people caring about the price would, the more merchants that accept bitcoin, the more they sell for fiat, these cooperation's want $lave money that is not so "volatile" most of the time the businesses that accept btc, cash it in right away to insure they cover the cost of the product, because they cannot see 1 bitcoin = 1 bitcoin no matter what clown world government fiat money is doing it does not matter to me.

I do not believe that  coercing merchants would be an effective way of accelerating bitcoin's adoption as a payment medium.
The Truth is that these merchants go into business for profit making purposes.
The volatile nature of cryptocurrency makes bitcoin unattractive to them....the. Volatile nature could make them to be recording losses every other day.
So I think that the issue of bitcoin volatility should be resolved so as to make it's usage favorable to merchants.

i think for most people it is because they are not spending bitcoin or have plans on spending it any time soon. they are just accumulating for "profit" as an investment so they don't really care if merchants and services accept bitcoin or not.

in any case last time i did this was with Steam and they did finally accept bitcoin but that didn't last that long due to the ridiculous rise in fees which meant the fees were higher than half of the games they were selling so they stopped accepting bitcoin payments. and that is a big preventing force against adoption.

Merchants are always looking for more sales and if there is something they can do to accomplish this goal then there is no need for anybody to make a campaign for them to do so. The problem here is that merchants know that people are not spending their Bitcoin on massive scale. In fact, many merchants who already are into Bitcoin stopped accepting Bitcoin due to low level of business volume. This is one big reason why Amazon is silent when it comes to Bitcoin...

The main roadblock to achieve this, is the mindset of the people! I see many of my fellow bitcoiners have pointed it correctly - people want to become rich by HODLing and they are least interested in spending! There are other reasons like price fluctuations and government regulation also plays a major role but majorly it's us!

Pushing online merchants is a good idea but it's easier said than done! Pulling up a lot of people on the same platform will remain a big challenge and even if we can do it, how many of us will actually spend bitcoins to buy things!

from what i understand mass mailling is considered as a spam  . our efforts of sending too much mails will only be useless because email service providers will only block it  . doing rally is also a bad idea because this will only make us look desperate of promoting bitcoin  .  the best thing we can do to spread adoption is support bitcoins . buy bitcoins and encourage someone else on your place . by doing this little things we can help bitcoin grow .

I think we need to do that, we need to push more shop and create more transaction volume so bitcoin can grow faster, but I think we also need to make bitcoin become more stable before we could encourage more shop to accept bitcoin, the high volatility has become one of the reason the merchant didn't want to accept bitcoin

transaction volume of bitcoin is now growing faster but the adoption of stores and merchants is leaving behind  . i like the idea of op  . doing campaigns can help encourage merchants to join bitcoin  .


yes i agree with that  . volatile nature of bitcoin is one of the factor that merchants consider but bitcoin is actually now getting stable these days  . i guess some merchants sees this as a go signal  .  lets wait for further notice about new store's opening that accepts bitcoin  .

I think they're aware to bitcoin and cryptocurrency the only thing is that it's price, we can't predict the price of cryptocurrency and it's not always on the bull market and there are times that the price dumps... if you are a owner and let's say you make a profit of $300 in that day... and tomorrow it becomes $100 only or maybe negative.

As a seller/merchant they are seeking for a secured profit through trading of goods and they will not take risk in cryptocurrency because of its volatile price.

Well not all online merchant are aware of cryptocurrency and if they are aware they don't know how does it work it needed some time for them to adopt it and also they need to know the volatility of each coin, I think it would be hard for them to adopt it since the bitcoin price pumps and dumps uncontrollably and would make their service or investment at risk that's why they're looking for a stable coins.

Maybe a Tether usd might do? since it's not that volatile like the cryptocurrency, what do you think?

The last year down is the major important of Bitcoin dump. But reality most of the countries are start the accepting of Bitcoin so we must think how major holders are sell continuesly, because sudden dump was totally irritating the peoples mindset. I think this year some countries are start the Bitcoin awareness so many peoples buy again and  it will move to forward. May be number of Cryptocurrencies are enter the market so surely it will reach the right adoption.

The low adoption rate and flow of Bitcoin in the live market is the basic reason, besides that the Bitcoin holding capacity of people pulling the online merchants and services back. :(

I think it is a brilliant idea. I want to compare this with people's voting power in a democratic country, where they determine the direction that many things will go in their country, by voting for a specific political party or cause that are supported by that party.  ;)

Let's say Donald Trump's party supported Bitcoin and we wanted a government that was pro-Bitcoin, then most Bitcoin supporters would vote for that party, if that was their main goal to vote for change.  <In theory>   ::)

One man is an Island, but many people are a community and when a community stand together, change will happen.  ;)

This is a wonderful ideas and do we know what will happen to bitcoin if online merchants like amazon began to accept bitcoin?  Bitcoin will definitely skyrocket in price and many people will become aware of it existence.  I do think we are not going to have bad days if we can mail those merchants that we think can adopt bitcoin and I am commencing my own this morning.  This is going to work to me and we just need to give it a test.

The new payment options are available immediately, Sunny Trinh, the company’s vice president of demand creation, told Bitcoin Magazine in an email. He added that the company has already “closed several multi-million-dollar transactions” using cryptocurrency.  especially coming from a century-old, blue-chip enterprise. So far, most of the companies that have taken the step of accepting payment in bitcoin have been younger and smaller.

Absolutely agree with you. To do what we want, you need to organize your activities in such a way that the sellers themselves want to accept bitcoins. They also thought it was their own desire. They should be interested in acquiring Bitcoin. In the meantime, the volatility is high, there is no guarantee that sellers will be interested in accepting Bitcoin.
First of all, we need to more and more promote information about Bitcoin among the general population. The more popular it becomes, the greater the guarantee that one day it will become a method of payment everywhere.

Most retailers are aware of bitcoin but still dont got the convince they can trust it or think it is a hassle to take care off. They will change there mind when more and more competition will add the option to accept bitcoin.

Well I don't mean actually spamming businesses, more like sending one email to gauge their response on that.
Yeah I don't think they would respond well on receiving a dozen emails in a short amount of time :p

I think Bitcoin is still very new currency and most people have no idea about it, they actually have shitty ideas. Besides that it is still very volatile and speculative and I don't think there is a big opportunity for merchants to make such switch in general.

I do not think we should push online merchant to adopt  Bitcoin as a means of payment. The  adaptation of bitcoin is growing exponential and it is left for people to want to use it.It is the choice of a merchant. He should be allowed  to make his decision as Bitcoin is highly volatile

Even if it were because of the volatility (which seems relaxed now), buyers can be made to make extra payment which is refundable if price doesn't rise above the agreed price for the product or services while on transaction. It's an easy way to tackle volatility.

More so, I don't think organising people to boycott services not accepting Bitcoin will help the mass adoption we crave. It will be counterproductive. We should let businesses accept Bitcoin at their own pace. It's a gradual process.

Some people think that Bitcoin is an unstable financial system scheme, which is why some people regard Bitcoin as a thing that has a large risk of inflation. Even if we understand better about Bitcoin then we can understand the potential and benefits that Bitcoin has. so actually the application of bitcoin to the financial system of a company must begin with the conscious awareness of the company's owner towards Bitcoin, acceptance and trust will make Bitcoin more developed.

Not all merchants are ready to embrace cryptocurrency due to it's risk and volatility, and not all merchants are aware of cryptocurrency in the first place. It might take sometime, mass adaptation will push companies and merchants to use blockchain technology in their business system.

Well probabily because companies think they do need legal papers to achieve certain approvals in between their softwares for virtual payments transactions with real fiat.
It's just a matter of time till everyone starts realizing it's free to do and accept it as a main payment method without any consequences.
They could also start asking their government and financial businesses about what sort of cons they had to make such as taxing.

Wait, wait, is there demand but not supply? Oh, no, it's not like that, demand is so low, it even doesn't worth for them to accept bitcoin. Also as popular it gets, the more troubles there falls. If amazon/ebay starts accepting bitcoin, I believe a lot of regulations will be set on it and to sum up, bitcoin was greatest at first but every good thing gets abused and for this reason, regulations are always here.

In my opinion, what we need is campaigns to convince governments to legalize bitcoin, only with clear laws in the world that look bitcoin in a good way will we see a mass adoption. Many merchant will be afraid to use bitcoin because bitcoin is not legal in many countries around the world. There are still many uncertainties about which way governments will take on bitcoin and this is a major obstacle to mass adoption

It will take a lot of effort to push them to accept bitcoin as a payment. Before they will agree, of course you have give them enough knowledge about bitcoin and what it can bring to them. You have to make them agree by giving the positive result they can get from accepting bitcoin. Plus, it is also up to them if they want to. Of course the risk in it. It is still depend on the person if he's willing to take such risk or not.

And where is it illegal? (don't mean 1-2 country, such number will be always in everything). If government doesn't consider bitcoin as a currency, it's usually better because there are less regulations. In some countries it's considered as an system that has nothing common with real money and is mix of mathematical things. Also do you see there is a demand? Personally I can't. One man here started to accept btc payments in his cafe - none transaction during months, also low demand on their ATMs. Just demand isn't enough, make petition on change website and let's see how many people will sign.

Your idea is not a bad one. I have also thought about how we can make online merchant adopt bitcoin. I believe if we push them harder and make them see how bitcoin usage can be of great benefit to them , then so many of them will adopt bitcoin for use. We should all play our part accordingly so we achieve this soonest.

Like you said the idea is not bad but I still believe pushing the merchant to adopt or add bitcoin payment to their system doesnt seems mature enough for we both know people will always do what will favour them and pushing them will make them think negatively for people love things with passion when it come from the heart which was also the reason why you and I love bitcoin with passion.
What we need to do is woo them and make them know the important of bitcoin and how their business will gain more exposure with profit if they integrate bitcoin into their payment system.

I believe we can put this to a test, because that is the only way we can see the real effects of this campaign. but instead of flooding their support with email i think we can reach out to the marketing team/manager and probably drop the email of the marketing department in here so that individually we can send messages to them. If we decide to flood their main support channel it might turn to be a nuisance and would probably be ignored. We can do this but let's all try and find a better way.

To be honest I do not know what exactly the point from pushing someone to use something only for he/she to find later that it is not suitable for them before we think about pushing the adoption harder for online merchant we should think about how things will be for them after they decided to start using it, I remember someone posted before the online merchants that is accepting Bitcoin as payment and I decided to visit some of them to check what they are selling only to find that most of them removed Bitcoin as a way of payment and that exactly what will happen again. 

This is true. Even if you have a Bitcoin to spend, question is are you willing to spend it on a bottle of beer, movie tickets or maybe a hotel room if you know that there's an opportunity for that BTC to grow 5% overnight. Lets admit it, we are more focused on holding it than spending it and I guess that is the reason why merchants are not adding Bitcoin as a pay option.

i am custumer to buy some goods online be happy when i click purchase i get bitcoin as payment option another one. some time i want to buy goods when they have online store not accepted bitcoin i am pleasure will leave his store and mailed to make option bitcoin payment on the future, if he want me.

Adopting bitcoin is not easy for those merchants that have not enough information on how to use it. Many merchants are also reluctant to accept bitcoin because of its rapid price fluctuations so there is a need to educate them with the basics of cryptocurrency. An information campaign might also needed to raise bitcoin awareness to the people and business to convince them to use bitcoin in their daily transactions.

I don't agree with this method, from what I'm seeing, this will hurt Bitcoin more than it would help. Adoption must be organic, otherwise it will just fail. Think about it, if we spam some merchant and they would agree to accept Bitcoin (which is not guaranteed, because it's highly suspicious to get such requests out of the blue), but then all the people who sent emails wouldn't buy anything from that merchant, the merchant would end up with a loss, and other merchants will think twice before working with Bitcoin.

I personally would only request Bitcoin payments from places that I already use or at least intend to use.