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I don't have a problem with alt accounts as long as they're not used to evade bans. Atlas is not banned.

Hi. My name is 'natural consequence'. Nice to meet you.
Atlas is a liar who has now stolen from several people in my group including me.

Let's play Atlas Puked. Every time Atlas forms a logical fallacy, take a drink.

I have not scammed nor stolen from anybody. These men have no valid say on my character.

You cannot claim none of us have valid say on your character and pass judgment on any of us in any manner.

I think its perfect, because as long as he keeps getting called out, new people coming to these forums to learn about bitcoins will be completely turned off by the plethora of fake accounts he has.  Especially when we keep calling him out in every thread he posts.

Only scammers do what he is doing.  There is no other purpose.

You really wanna go that direction? Excuse me while I go tell everyone who saw you give it to them in Skype while saying (paraphrased) "Still looking for a domain? You can have mine!" and then ran to go change the DNS (we trusted you at the time and didn't push the transfer issue), followed by the phrase (again, paraphrased) "I really love what you've done [to it]!".

Now you've got a very short amount of time before everyone comes here swearing you gave it away and promised it to the group, all pasting logs as well.

You still want to go this direction and get banned?

I am only being called out by liars and fraudsters. Their word is invalid.

I am not a scammer nor a thief.

Atlas, we can treat you like a child or an adult which one  is up to you and will be determined based on how you act, locking threads where you are called out for poor language use is the act of an impulsive child.

Haha. All I did was change the DNS. I did not transfer ownership. It is mine, Matthew. You have no claim.

Let them come on here. I fear nothing. I am in the right here. Any claims of ownership on their part will be falsehoods.

Yeah, yeah. We'll let theymos and the community decide what "Hey guys, I really believe in you, please take my domain, it is best used by you guys" means.

By all means, Matthew. The fact is it was never fully transferred to you. You can take me tinkering with my domain's settings as however you wish but that does not establish a property right.

Come on man, just be honest.  You gave him the domain and now you want to take it back because you're having an internet slap fight.

It has nothing to do with the internet slap fight. It was never popular when he ran it, now it is with my content. This "lost password" crap is nonsense. He must think we were all born yesterday.

By his own admission,he doesn't mind me having it, it's just that he "doesn't have access anymore", but then he says it's not mine. He's a total liar.

Again, Matthew is committing an act of libel and fraud by claiming I owe him or have stolen anything. Discretion is advised when interacting with this man and his circle of acquaintances.

Considering that you did allow him to use the domain and from all appearances have a sort.of verbal contract giving him control of it his, request for a transfer.does not sound unreasonable, continuing this mud slinging competition will not turn out will for either of you and I would advise that the two of you seek arbitration on the issue, and that you as a minor have a legal guardian aware of it.
As he is using the domain currently and you are content to simply let it expire I do not see why it is so valuable to you.

What I do with it is irrelevant. The fact I direct the domain to his server's IP is irrelevant. The relevant fact is the domain is rightfully mine and I never transferred to it him. I do not need to seek arbitration. I am innocent. I care not what this man feels and thinks about my property. He has no say and no claim on it. I am the judge here and the domain is my court.

The ruling: I am innocent.

Actually if someone else put effort into something and improved it, they have more right to it than you do.  You didn't pay him for his efforts, right?  Because tort law is all about making parties whole.

It's not even that complicated. He gave it to us as a group several months ago, and there are a dozen witnesses of it. He's just a liar and a thief.

Do you see how keeps changing what he's saying?

First it was he didn't have access, and that I would need to 'jump through some hoops' to get it.

Now 'it was never mine' in the first place.

I'm sorry Atlas, but only in your delusional world would giving someone something and then taking it back because you change your mind, alright by any measure.

You're a thief and a coward, and although I had given you the benefit of the doubt and only 'mildly' trolled you for your obvious ridiculous lack of grasp of the English language, now you're flat out stealing, and then lying about it.

Ok, I gotta know...

Atlas: Why so many user names?

So my statements and arguments are treated as they are. My person has been libeled against and I want to unremorsefully evade the falsehoods that pervade this forum.

Taking a solid, well reasoned stance with a single user name will gain you more respect than starting a new one every time a flat in you're logic or in your statements is found.

Trolling for the lulz has been the reasoning this whole time (Atlas is quite easy to troll because he's so obnoxiously self absorbed) but this has nothing to do with me this time. There are 5 people financially invested into the workings of that domain, who all have proof he gave it to them, and now he's bold faced lying because he knows it's valuable. He is a self important twisty snake.

I'd like to say "If you don't give that domain to me right now I'll blah blah blah", but frankly, I won't be the person doing anything. There are way more pissed people than me at this point. You really don't know what you're getting into Atlas.

Why not simply offer to sell him the domain for a reasonable price instead of continuing to stamp your feet?

So my statements and arguments are treated as they are. My person has been libeled against and I want to unremorsefully evade the falsehoods that pervade this forum.

Trolling for the lulz has been the reasoning this whole time (Atlas is quite easy to troll because he's so obnoxiously self absorbed) but this has nothing to do with me this time. There are 5 people financially invested into the workings of that domain, who all have proof he gave it to them, and now he's bold faced lying because he knows it's valuable. He is a self important twisty snake.

I'd like to say "If you don't give that domain to me right now I'll blah blah blah", but frankly, I won't be the person doing anything. There are way more pissed people than me at this point. You really don't know what you're getting into Atlas.

I already explained that in the thread about theymos trying to take away signature images.

No, this is like me never giving you an iPad.

Affidavit of Truth:

I never gave him the domain. What I do with the domain is irrelevant. The fact I direct the domain to his server's IP is irrelevant. The relevant fact is the domain is rightfully mine and I never transferred it to him. I do not need to seek arbitration. I am innocent. I care not what this man feels and thinks about my property. He has no say and no claim on it. I am the judge here and the domain is my court.

The ruling: I am innocent.

I disagree.  If you say you will give it to him, then do not, then you are no better than any of the other scammers who frequent these forums.

I disagree.  If you say you will give it to him, then do not, then you are no better than any of the other scammers who frequent these forums.

He has a history of backing out of agreements/bets once they no longer benefit him. 

I never said I would transfer it to him. Moot point.

You really wanna go that direction? Excuse me while I go tell everyone who saw you give it to them in Skype while saying (paraphrased) "Still looking for a domain? You can have mine!" and then ran to go change the DNS (we trusted you at the time and didn't push the transfer issue), followed by the phrase (again, paraphrased) "I really love what you've done [to it]!".

So you're saying the following is a lie?

It's paraphrased. All I can attest to is that I took my domain and pointed it towards his server and confirmed I did so. Nothing more and nothing less.

By pointing the domain to his server and telling him to use it, you implied that he would be able to use this domain for as long as you had it.  The reason that this implication can be made is because a domain is not something that a person can easily change without confusing their visitors.  In other words, a domain that may not be yours to use at any point in the future is worse than worthless.  And giving away something worse than worthless, while leading the other person to believe it holds value, is something only a scumbag would do.

Because you pointed your domain to his server, he built his intellectual property around it.

Because you have now redirected the domain to a different server, he has to recreate much of his intellectual property and brand name/image.

That makes you a scumbag.  You may have followed the letter of the law, but you sure as heck aren't following the spirit of it.

If you don't recognize those sorts of implications, that makes you a scumbag.

What sort of reasons did he give you to terminate the relationship?

Important to note: he hasn't redirected it to a different site-- yet. To quote him "that's besides the point". The real point is that he claims even he is no longer in control of something he already gave to a group of witnesses. So then the logical conclusion would be to connect that group to the person in control and let them fight it out, no?

There is no doubt in anyone's mind that he gave the domain to us. Who in their right mind would put any work into a website, call it their own etc (on camera even), if it wasn't? The domain was abandoned by him and he saw a use for it. At the time, he was doing what he believed was a good thing for the group. It's just that the group doesn't do anything good for him personally now that he's stormed out all butthurt because we pointed out the flaws in his "woolong device", so this is his one and only avenue of revenge.

It's just pathetic is what it is. He knows the domain is not mine or his-- it's the groups. He also knows what he said, and we have logs, but due to the way skype logs chats I have to wait until someone else wakes up to pull it as I reformatted this PC a while back.

Rebranding won't be impossible, but this is not even about the domain anymore. I've already been advised by the group to just use the domain to forward to a new rebranded one at his expense. It's the only thing that makes any sense now. The real issue here is that he's a scammy fuck and still ignored by the mods and allowed to continue on like this.

When is it going to be okay for baby to get reprimanded for his bad behavior?

You're an idiot. I got you-- a 17 year old-- an actual position at an upcoming university to basically stretch your wings and do whatever you want. I also intended to let you use any resources we had and I was writing the backend for your credit card idea, dimwit.

This had nothing to do about 'value', this was about your self obsessed arrogant nature and inability to accept criticism without looking too deeply into things. The "woolong device" will never work for a million reasons. Deal with it. When you want to pitch these unrealistic ideas to a bunch of older profit making, experienced, businessmen and programmers with the tagline "I don't care about money-- this is about not being evil", you can't be taken 100% seriously.

You're so young in the head, and that's why I tried taking you under my wing. You're just scamming me now because I didn't agree with you all the way and give you the rights to my soul, my house and my girlfriend to orgasm in admiration to you.

If it's about value just sell him the domain that's both an adult and business wise way to handle this as opposed to an electronic pissing contest.

The value I could give you? I think you just let your true intentions slip.

Getting the password reset on the domain account and transferring it to him is not worth the value he could give me. It would be a sacrifice. Again, I never sacrifice.

You sacrifice your image carrying on this way, as it is since you have to do the reset, which is a painless process in most cases ask for a reasonable price for your time

Hehe. It's gonna really funny when ICANN disables the domain for hosting child porn. The best part will be when you have logs and logs of yourself professing it's 100% yours!

Hehe. It's gonna really funny when ICANN disables the domain for hosting illegal content. The best part will be when you have logs and logs of yourself professing it's 100% yours!

Seriously, that would be the perfect solution to this problem.

I don't know what you're talking about Atlas. That domain is 100% yours. What do I have to do with it?  ::)

I'm going to call your email host today saying you're threatening to email me! rofl. You really don't know how badly you've already lost this. Not only is absolutely clear you're scummy fuck scammer (loads of witnesses), but since you claim that you own it and you're just "choosing" to point it to a server, then obviously it'll be your choice to point it away from goatse, right? Because that's where it's going first asshole.

(Also, you clearly have no clue how redirects or hosting works, much less the law or ICANN regulations.)

Now would that be the internet police?

Quoted for evidence. I'm logging all of this, Matthew.

Only an idiot like you would think that mentioning you're "logging all of this" would matter on a publicly searchable internet forum indexed in google.

I really wish you'd talk to a real police officer at least once in your life. They'd probably tell you why it's wrong and dangerous to break your promises. They'd also tell you all about what happens to people in prison for tax evasion.

Are you done with the internet detectives, because I've got a website for you to see....oh wait, you're a minor.

Update to the list of shame:

Atlas
Immanuel.Go
Ragnar
I.Goldstein
mrich8
ALPHA.
Boss
Jon

Boss
Jon

These two are the same account. He just used his donator status to change his name.