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Dear Miners, Traders, Investors and quests.
If you are reading this you are the FIRST to hear about new iOS BTC service.


We proudly present our Beta for the first secure easy and fast iOS Bitcoin wallet that really works.
Fruitwallet designed specifically for iPhone, iPad and iPod.
Let us introduce, we are the team of indi developers from all over the world launching FruitWallet app for the first time ever!

Our goals:
- To make Bitcoins payments easy as a pie.
- Push the the Bitcoin popularity to a new level giving a handy instrument that anyone can use.
- Boost BTC spread in the world.
- Solve the question with secure storing your pocket coins.
- Help you to access your coins anywhere anytime with your iOS device.


Beta goals:
- Collect high quality feedback.
- Involve BTC community into testing to find out any defects that were not observed on Alpha stage.

Despite of concentrating on a small amount of users needed for this Beta, we will appreciate if you could pass this message to your friends who may be interested to help us collecting high quality feedbacks.

The application is available at fruitwallet.com - iOS device only, Safari browser only.

Please address your feedback to feedback@fruitwallet.com
In case of facing technical issues please drop us a line to support@fruitwallet.com

Have a great time playing with our service!
Best regards,
FruitWallet team.
 :o

UPDATED:
Who is really interested to play with the app, please be informed, that it is only Beta and some minor bugs can appear.
If you afraid of using your own BTC to test, drop me a line privately. I will borrow you some BTC

Hmm, smells like a scam.

Please check yourself :) Why do you blame us for this not even trying the app?
It is only a closed Beta, we would like somebody to tell us the feedback. That's all.

You see, it's generally accepted that newbies that just registered and posted their applications usually means a wallet stealer(or possible keylogger). It could also be a wallet indeed, but with a weak PRNG for privkeys. Do you see what I mean?

Also, I am an Android user ;)

No probs. But strange to get such a negative feedback :)
btw, who is really interested to play with the app, please be informed, that it is only Beta and some minor bugs can appear.
If you afraid of using your own BTC to test, drop me a line privately. I will borrow you some BTC :)

What about the fact Apple will never put your app on their store?

GOT you :)
We will never need to be there.  :P
It is technology web based app with security on hardware level. Safari supports this security system just fine.
Has anybody tested it already? I would really appreciate real feedback.
Thanks.

i'll do a test for you... I'm not loading it up with my own BTC tho, it's my work phone and I could get sacked at any minute (kidding, i run the business!)

EDIT1. installed. on first view, it looks OK, you do realise i'm being VERY trusting here.. this is unusual for me!!
EDIT2. Please send bitcoins to 13vTfRHp6DK4TzewyZskhFGL7wzjNDHNEM

raskul, I reeeeeeeally appreciate your input!!!!
Thanks a lot. please let me know your impression!
If you have questions, feel free to ask.

I like it.
as long as you can ensure it's security and don't become a dickscammer, this has legs.

All my family are iOS users (mostly iPads) and we were left a bit lost when blockchain app was removed from the app store, so let me test this for a week (i'll set up some mining to the address) and if all is well with no problems, i'll recommend it. This is just the kind of thing we need, to be honest.

EDIT: test BTC received OK, I will wait until it's got 6 confirmations before I start some mining - 13vTfRHp6DK4TzewyZskhFGL7wzjNDHNEM - will be on eligius, so feel free to check it's stats later on in the week to see the funds which my fruitwallet app will be receiving...

ADD: for those who are unsure about this service, it will change the profile of your iOS device, and if you are at all unsure, just come back here in a month or so and i'll advise - I am not affilaited with FruitWallet, i'm just an end user, and will be happy to give you my honest opinion of this.

Sent 0.002 to you! You should get e-mail. transaction it must appear in transactions list. If you click the transaction it will show confirmation status.
so excited

0.002 BTC received. thank you. just waiting to see confirmations before I start mining to it for further tests.

great. pls keep us updated.
thanks again.

P.S. just be informed. this wallet is tied to you iPhone. You cant get access to your BTC from any other place.
I recommend to set up Security code for your device if you still has none. It is asked before each transaction sent.

will do, the email was received no problem the instant you made the transfer.
watch the miner for yourself if you like, it's set up now;

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/13vTfRHp6DK4TzewyZskhFGL7wzjNDHNEM (http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/13vTfRHp6DK4TzewyZskhFGL7wzjNDHNEM)

i'll check the app each day and if all is secure enough to my linking, i'll leave the miner running for a week or so. I've only got 50GH/s or my rig pointed at it so it may, take a while to accrue some coins, once it has some coins, i'll start doing a few transfers with other members of my family and report back here with my findings.

on first look, it looks fabulous, very simple user interface, nothing fancy, it does what it says on the tin. And that's just my kind of service.

RE: PS. yes, i always use a security code and two-factor auth for everything I run. the service needed the code to begin installing, which I have now changed to anotehr code to ensure no jiggerypokery can occur ;)

confirmations of received BTC seem to be clicking in OK. Refresh button working OK. Balance showing 0.002 - spendable - 0 (only one confirmation)

Question: what is the purpose of the trash can symbol in the settings page? (before I click it and accidentally delete stuff!)

That must be a sign out :) Will make it more obvious. thanks!

OK, cool, yes, it signed me out, signed back in without a problem and state is the same with no worries.
I think all you will need is to make sure the back end is not open to compromise, if you have truly got this security nailed, I can see this being huge.
I'm going to recommend my family to install it now.

Raskul. Thanks a lot. Just opened beta less than a 24 hours ago. So you are the first one giving real feedback. Will do our best to make you proud of being the FIRST in some time  ::)

happy to help out mate, bitcoin is about community, which many folks tend to forget so easily. I've emailed my family who have BTC and recommended they install this - so let me take a week and i'll hope to report back with positive comments. As long as the wallet will accept my mined coins, i'm happy to make it my main mobile wallet (i can finally delete the blockchain app - which was full of bugs)

test BTC confirmed.  ;D

http://www.thescribe.eu/img/fruitwallet.jpg

Confirmation from my side.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/kgq0gbfwwl65dfe/Screen%20Shot%202014-03-14%20.png

we may have some teething problems;

my brother in law has installed fruitwallet, and has sent me a request to send him some coins.
BUT - the address he sent me, via the fruitwallet app;

Please send bitcoins to

mrs61q1DPwScASkKzd2LCdHZyS17V9evRg


clearly, this is wrong... can you investigate the issue and let me know please?

yep, pls wait few minutes.
Updated.
for some reason account was created at beta.fruitwallet.com :(
Will resolve asap.

OK, let me know and I can relay the message to him.

2 e-mails were suddenly redirected to BETA.fruitwallet.com which is using not real bitcoins.

These are:
jos****@******
ro*******@******

If your brother is one of them, pls ask him to register at fruitwallet.com
We shut beta.fruitwallet.com down for now.

Issue resolved.
Thanks for help.

yes, one of those is my bro in law

i've let him know, and also directed him to this thread.
can you remove the names above in the post now please^^

thanks.

done! sorry for inconvenience.  ;)

not a problem. just waiting on him re-installing so I can send him some coins.

Hi - I have not tested the app on my iOS device yet (only on my computer with a spoofed user agent)

I have three questions though:

1) Why is my password being sent in plain? - I know you do have an SSL-connection setup, but how do we know that your service won't fish for passwords? - Worst case scenario here is that passwords are saved in plain in the db or with a symetric key.
    -> It'd be more secure if noone knew my password but just a salted hash.

2) What is the specific reason for the OTA Profile Enrollment? Why do you need the UUID ect.?

3) What is proprietary about iOS devices/mobile safari that couldn't be done with other mobile browsers? (Or in short: Why is it iOS only and not Android as well?)

Besides that grats to the app so far.

OK, another issue I found.. the scan-qr function doesn't work, it simply asks my iphone to take a photo, you need to build a qr-scanner into it. This is essential.

and every time i try to send coins from it, it asks to install the profile. this needs fixed also.

Will this ever be ported to Android? There's not too many decent wallets.

Answering all the questions.

1. Plain text. Have to clarify, Will update you asap.
Updated: WE use most secure approach for this module. If somebody will ever get your password (which we really doubt), he wont pass the next step of profile installation anyway. But we have even one more layer - it is your 4 digit protection code.

2. Profile is needed to tie your wallet to device. It ties when you do it first time. When sending bitcoins - it asks for profile to CHECK if it is REALLY your phone. This way we protect your send transactions.

3. This Profile feature is supported with Safari. Only safari as we discovered so far.
We didn't find 100% secure way for Android yet. We can do it theoretically, but we want to be 100% sure, your BTC are safe.

Scan QR works for us. Steps - 1. take photo, 2. click use. Result: it shows you the address, photo is not saved to gallery. Please explain.

Anymore questions guys?

Raskul,
"and every time i try to send coins from it, it asks to install the profile. this needs fixed also." Did I answer your question? It is just for your security.

Nope, I tried this but it is not importing the address for me.


yes thanks. just the qr scanning query which needs addressing now. take photo - yes, bitcoin address import - no.

raskul, there should be button "use" just after you take a photo. I tested on 5c, 5, 4 iphones and iPad 2. Are you sure the photo quality is quite good? That is extremely important for us to understand the problem.
We won't like to add additional services to the app, it can influence security badly.

yup, for sure... i've tried it many times, take photo - use photo - at different distances from the qr code I want to send to and it just doesn't import the bitcoin address...  :-\

OK now it has worked. not sure why it wasn't working before, but it's working now.
thanks

 ;D wow. best news :)

My concern was not someone logging into this app but saving innocent users. As you probably know MANY users have the same password for a lot of services. Now I don't want to say that this is good, but fact is that there are users out there who do it (many of them) - If you hash the password on the client with a salt before sending it anywhere you can make sure that just in case someone gets the hash they won't be able to do anything with it. Plus you cannot be accused of phishing passwords. Plus you are building more trust...

Device-Specific Profile:
What happens if I loose my device, it breaks or gets stolen? How will I be able to access the wallet?

And a question on the pricing: Will this service every cost anything? If so - what price-tag/subscription-model are you aiming for?

Great questions!

I need to consult with my CTO about password. Most likely this will be done in next release (we are BETA now).

Losing device. That is a painful question. Our main aim was to make sure, that those who find your phone, can access wallet.
If you lose the phone you would have to write to support@fruitwallet.com from the e-mail that you registered with. But we will think about this procedure much more. After a user confirms identity we will just reset device, so user can tie his wallet to new device. But again THIS FEATURE IS EXTREMELY delicate and CAN'T be automated (we remember MtGOX mistake). If you have any suggestions we will be happy to hear.

We plan to take 0.0001 BTC per each transaction SENT which must be ok on our opinion.

What do you think?

OK, this seems fair, and I agree with previous poster, you need to address the password issue.
Bear in mind that this will not be the main wallet for many people, personally i'll use it when I want to make sure I have a small amount of BTC out and about, a sort of 'mobile wallet' if I want to buy a coffee at a bitcoin cafe or send some btc to a friend whilst mobile. I think 0.0001btc fee is fair, to begin with.

Deal, will solve password issue before release.
btw the App is free now.

OK, I need to ask, with your updates before release, this will all be automatically updated when we log in? I mean, it's not a downloadable app, as such, so it will just do it all at the back end, ready for the user, without the need for a user to update it on the iphone/ipad?

i'm not overly tech-savvy so wanted to clarify this.

You got it right! All will be smooth and easy.
That is a great advantage of our web based approach.

thanks for clarifying that.

How about a very long hash that the user can generate and should print immediately, if the user looses the device he/she can immediately lock the wallet(with the password) and it can be unlocked and tied to a new device with that hash.

This brings up yet another question though: I cannot access the same wallet on by iPad and my iPhone? (Not sure if that'd be necessary, but just asking)

Thanks for comment.
For now we are sure, that nobody can withdraw your coins without your permission.
If you have/want to lock wallet, you can just send us e-mail.
The main question is how to make secure device change. That is what we will solve nearest time.

Yes, you can't access coins from 2 different devices.

Yesterday ran a testing session in SIC countries.
Despite hard political situation guys from UA, BY, RU helped us a lot with their feedback.
Russia authorities (they can't control it, that is the reasom) forbade Bitcoin but the crypto community there appeared to be quite big.

Cheers.
P.S. Would like to hire few USA and Asian (I don't mean nationality) guys to take a look at it.

Feature requests
 - to be able to send amounts expressed in USD, EUR and RUR instead of BTC
 - to be able to make an invoice using QR code

Grami, thanks!

wallet working well. received coins from some mining I did dedicated to the wallet address. bro-in-law (while working in Russia) was able to use the wallet without a problem. Does what it says on the tin... a working iphone/ipad wallet which I will be using for a long time to come.

thanks.  ;D

Great to hear Raskul :)
Happy using.

strange, I couldn't find this thread without looking into my old posts.

This topic went to the thread bottom, but now it is up again thanks to you  ;)
I'm not promoting the wallet right now as we are fixing some issues according to the feedback we received.

cool, no worries, I'll continue to use it as a BETA service.

Made a short video today.
May be like a small demo how-to-use.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhZ6GdEPhys

we are now on full release?

 :)

Hi raskul. Probably yes, but we still see a lot things we would like to improve.
For now we decided to add LTC in few days and will add passbook support for free in few weeks.
Users will be able to see balance and last transaction without entering the app.
Sounds nice? isn't it?

great, all good.