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it seems like the "hype" has died as they are now done pumping the shitcoin known as BSV but in case you missed it US copyright office made an official announcement saying they do not recognize anybody, specifically Craig Wright, as Satoshi Nakamoto despite what lots of clickbait news sites have been saying a day ago when the shitcoin pump began.

link: https://www.copyright.gov/press-media-info/press-updates.html

• This does not prove that CSW is Satoshi.
• "Disputes over the claims in a registration may be heard before federal courts, including disputes over authorship of a work."
  
  

It only costs $55 to challenge it but it is a crime to do a false claim.

The fact is this registration can legally be challenged, basically an open invitation.

Without challenge expect Bitcoin © enforced over time.

I won't believe anyone claiming to be Satoshi UNLESS he/she/they can move the coins in the wallet that received the Block 1000 reward.

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1BW18n7MfpU35q4MTBSk8pse3XzQF8XvzT

Not even god or the devil can move these coins. Only the real Satoshi Nakamoto can.  8)

Let's call this the Block 1000 challenge  ;D

Moving signing coins is a trolls prove, it does not prove anything other that having possession on time of movement.
Satoshi can give Craig the coins he moves it, he gives the coins back, cheap troll is satisfies he has seen "prove".
Everyone lives happily thereafter.

Well, if it is true that it is a criminal offense to make false claims, then we will see Craig Wright going to jail soon.  ;) ...Nooot!

Craig Wright will have to go to court and prove that he is Satoshi Nakamoto and that is a very difficult task if you have no private keys for the Bitcoin addresses that were used by Satoshi Nakamoto when he still mined coins.

Will the courts and lawyers know how signed messages work in Bitcoin? Will they get Bitcoin experts to dispute his claims in court? Time will tell...  :P

Ultimately, for a coin to have sustained value it has to operate with integrity. Fooling the public with gimmicks such as the copyright registration above will only lead to temporary pumps that will be followed by dumps.

As for me, the pump of Bsv doesn't necessarily mean that crypto and the government agrees and supports Craig as he claims that he's Satoshi. He should actually pay for pretending and stealing the real Satoshi's identity. Satoshi has his own reason of keeping his identity in private and we should respect that.

but who is going to do that?
people in this market are either enjoying his shenanigans because they have some profit in it (one way or another) or they don't even recognize the centralized authority to even intervene in decentralized bitcoin world.

No. It cost $55 to file a claim (false or not).  It's technically a crime to make a false claim but the maximum penality is $2500 and as far as anyone has determined so far, no one has ever been charged under it.


Unfortunately this isn't true. If wright tries to take any action he would simply lose because he is an enormous scammer, but it would be his move so he simply won't do it.

Only the government can enforce the law against making a false registration, but presumably they won't because they haven't bothered before.

Fortunately, the copyright registration has absolutely no effect other than just helping wright defraud people.  -- just like it had no effect when someone previously did it (if you search you'll see there is another one for bitcoin done by a prior scammer back in 2016). https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4519202.0

This should be the litmus test for Craig Wright and we should never accept any explanation or any ground why he can't move those wallets. Of course, being a man of lies and many bad jokes, he will try to explain things away. In my opinion, Craig Wright is just manipulating the whole industry and the media (including the mainstream) for his own interest. And the more attention he got, the happier he is. At any rate, he can be the official entertainer of the whole cryptocurrency industry and since he is not demanding for us to pay him then let's let him do whatever he enjoys to do.

How exactly would that copyright be enforced? Can you explain?

I think this is just another instance of Wright saying, "Look, I'm Satoshi!" A small subset of people will believe him without any further research, and that's all he needs.

He's obviously trying to pump BSV, but I strongly feel there's something else at play with all his fraudulent behavior. Maybe he's just mentally deranged.

Soon enough everyone is probably going to forget about this and Craig Wright will be satisfied with the profit of millions of dollars he made from pumping his BSV coin. That was surely his plan from the beginning and until now everything went smooth for him. I don't think anyone will try to suit him for false claims and if they do I'm sure his lawyers are ready for it even though I don't think the government would waste their time with this in the first place.

1. the C.O dont investigate, it requires a opposing human to make a counter claim, and to take the counter claim to court to argue that craig is a scammer.

2. "if craig tries to take any action he would simply lose".. what if the game is not to take people to court and spend millions on lawyers for craig to win, but for craig to just send out dodgy C&D letters threatening court action and then making the recipient waste money. by which most C&D recipients just pay up the settlement fee just to make it go away
(standard patent troll scam..)
its like the encrypted harddrive viruses. 'pay up in 72 hours or else'
C&D: dont do X or we will take you to court, pay me $x now and you can continue

Craig is obviously making stories and just trying to make people believe that he's the real Satoshi which is obviously not true due to his inconsistency. As for me, it's better to ignore him. It's just a good thing that despite all the controversies that he made, Bsv was still able to rise continuously.

A lot of times we have seen people come up and make false claims to being Satoshi, and time and time again we discover the truth that they are just doing so for attention and to their benefits, so at this point i blame it on the people for actually giving them the attention, so i hope that Craig gets sewed for false claiming in order to make and example from him so no other fools in future will think twice before lying publicly about being the creator of bitcoin.

Do you really believe Craig would give it back to Satoshi? I read enough news and his interviews to know that CSW is a narcissist focused on making money at all cost and people like him will lie and deceive without remorse. If he had Satoshi's coins even for a minute he'd never give it back and spend it on making other people's live harder.
For starters he'd use the money to damage BCH. BTC is too strong but BCH would make a good target.

I totally agree. Only the true bitcoin creator can move these coins.
Anyone can claim to have created bitcoin.
Only the real Satoshi can move these coins.

Move these coins as proof and sign the message.  ;D

Why would it be a trolls prove?
Only the real owner could move it and why would the real creator let the fake have it?
This is the only way that I think would solve this issue if Craig is the real creator he should just move it to prove that he is indeed the real one.

This is my point, if false claim is a criminal act and punishable by law them he should face the law, the government have already said they don't recognize any one to be santoshi that is a clear indication that Craig have impersonated as Santoshi and at that should be punished for that.

I think it's time for Craig Wright to stop talking. Not just the US government, nobody knows him as Satoshi. It's impossible to recognize!

Maybe that's a criminal offense, but everywhere loop holes were common. Even the jurisdiction has got loop holes, with such a strong mind only he could have come forward to claim understanding the true risk of getting into imprisonment. Without knowing the path he would never keep a step forward, because it is hard to be into the prison than getting claimed as Satoshi.

soo many are missing the point.

it does not matter whats 'legally' proved.
by having CSW name associated to the bitcoin whitepaper and the name satoshi. recorded on a government database, is enough to cause scam mischief OUTSIDE a courtroom.

as it would cost travel, lawyers, time to fight in court. a scammer can just make an OUT OF COURT cease&desist threat to people saying he is x,y,z and people owe him royalties. or pay him $A to go away.
with $A being less than going to court to counter the x,y,z claim. people usually pay up.

even if it went to court. the counter claimants would spend alot on lawyers. and all a scammer has to do is keep poking at the counter claimant with silly things to keep the case plodding along and costing the counterclaimant money.

even then the scammer can then say 'prove i, human typed my name into the registration. it could have been the counter claimant putting my name in there and now trying to make me look bad' again now the counter claimant has to try proving human at keyboard who registered. again costing money and time.

scammers can keep people locked in legal battles for years. and thats the point. make it expensive to fight a scammer, means a scammer can just request a pay off to quash the claim. where the scammer gets a payday and never actually cares about winning

People are weirdly confident on this issue.  Guess we all should be having plan B incase this doesnt go our way instead of focusing more on contesting  with people who don't really believe in bitcoin ideals or wants bitcoin under their control.
How will the community react if he wins this? Respond in fire bridged manner, launch an excellent plan B or run away with  tails behind your legs?

Craig Wright should lock himself and deliberately think what is he doing with his life. His reputation is already ruined and he's been the laughingstock in the community. So how on earth will the US Copyright Office approve his registration? His background is already questionable to start with.

I demand you transfer all your property to me. Little do you know, but your parents sold you to me while you were an infant for a magic bean. I could easily demonstrate some evidence truth of this claim, but I won't because you're not worthy of me. Instead I'll make up some easily disproved fake evidence: Your parents have blue hair and signed using the blood of ghandi, since he is your godfather.  No one will hold these obvious lies against me, because they're simply there to protect me from having to pay taxes on this highly profitable trade I made all these years ago... Now I will include some genealogical and legal terms to prove my expertise (imagine these being screamed): lineage, naturalization, pedigree, hypothecate, fideicommissum, demurrer.

Oh wait, you're suddenly so confident that my absurd story is bullshit and you refuse to go along with it?

Funny that.

Probably a big dump is about to come, BSV has no chance to rise again after this dump.
I'm glad I did not buy the hype in the past few days, satoshi has to remained the anonymous and he is like a God in the crypto space.

We don't see him in person, but we have faith on him.

he has already won! because "this" is only a social drama that started from day one with purpose of money making among other things. as you can see the simple copyright shenanigan led to a decent pump of a coin that had no chance of seeing any major pumps ever since it was removed from major exchanges and its dying process has been hastened.

I hope the investors that rushed to buy BSV won't get burnt and regret their action because of this misinformation of Wright been the real Satoshi, although people don't get to understand when some figures are lying some humans are just too gullible. How will Satoshi be suing a community he wants a freedom for to the court to proof his identity? The real Satoshi who created bitcoin won't do such a controversial self injury, time is too short and there are many things to complete in a short while.

But the U.S. system has a way of weeding out and punishing dishonorable people over time. I suspect the Florida court case involving the Kleiman estate will force CSW to come clean somehow, because the discovery will be intense. What he asserts in that case may be used against him in future cases. I suspect he's digging himself into a hole right now.

increased from $61 to $117. But as it is an altcoin without any purpose, in a few years will disappear along with faketoshi

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let us imagine the following:

If nobody of the crypto community or most of the crypto community do not cared about anything faketshi does, what would happen? let's say that 90% of the community decided to ignore everything faketoshi does and says, I believe he would feel ashamed and would abandon the crypto world.

exactly!
people like him have only one purpose to be here and that is to fool others and benefit from that, the more people believe in their crap and "feed them" the longer they stick around because they are achieving their goals. but if people stopped paying them any attention, dumped BSV and simply ignored their nonsense, they no longer have any incentive to continue doing what they are doing so they go away and we get rid of them that easily.

Finally truth got justice this guy got easy publcity and started to pump some shitcoin .Even lots of people for bitcointalk created petition thread against Craig Wright. His intention is clear just want to fool and scam people.

That means that only people with big pocket can challenge him in court, if not he will get away with the filing which is really odd and what if he charges every transaction at a later date and the mess we get into will be far greater, will block stream who is supporting the project will challenge them in court ?.
It might not be a major issue now but with the way Craig does things he might take a swing at every project if he is to get the claim.
Not sure how these drama will unfold.

It only costs $55 to challenge it but it is a crime to make a false claim.

I've read this news on various platforms that they are recognizing Craig Wright as Satoshi Nakomoto but deep down in my heart I knew it wasn't real. The identity for Satoshi would always remain a history and none of us might know about his existence. I am sure that the one who pretends to be Satoshi is alive and might be going through such posts, reading and laughing over them with his genius mind. Legally, there are no physical evidence of "Satoshi Nakomoto" existing onto this planet so the US government has no other option then declaring that there is no individual with the name "Satoshi Nakomoto" and it is just a concept of imagination.

The US government doesn't recognize anything. It is a fiction.

Is the president the US government? How about the Congress? How about the judges in the court system? Ask them if they are the US government. They will all tell you that they are not. Then they will use a bunch of political language to try to show that together they are the US government.

So now you see why there is so much political turmoil. They all have their own ideas. This means that the US government is never set on any ideas. The closest they come is stating that they are in agreement, or when they all agree to the paperwork of the government - the Constitution, the laws, the court cases, etc.

So you see that the governemnt CAN'T know who Satoshi is. They don't really know anything.

8)

Good for the bitcoin world. It might just make the cryptocurrency world shake when they find out that the satoshi they recognize is anyway fake. Let's make Satoshi Nakamoto be a mystery forever because nobody knows who he is and it is very difficult to look and find out who the real Satoshi Nakamoto is.

Well the price getting hiked from $61 to $117 is the result of many peoples buying that coin but yes I agree that the price may be vanished in the coming future with peoples losing faith in that coin. In the cryptos world, we need to care about each individual linked with the cryptos and also I think that not thinking about faketshi would not make us feel secure instead we would turn more insecure which would not make us have any good profits. Instead even if there is some fake people behind any fake coin, we must try to make him bend his knees instead of us not paying attention over there. Also I do not think that he might get ashamed and would abandon the cryptos world just because what we peoples think about him.