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Economy => Scam Accusations => Topic started by: ICOEthics on May 27, 2019, 02:34:02 PM



Title: Tokenizator - SCAM FAKE TEAM - using computer generated images.
Post by: ICOEthics on May 27, 2019, 02:34:02 PM
What happened: SCAM - FAKE TEAM / Using computer generated images

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2583906

Reference Link: ANN - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5147689.0
https://archive.is/vdjmh


Scammer Website: https://tokenizator.io/#about
https://archive.is/B4Jy9
http://web.archive.org/web/20190527141955/https://tokenizator.io/  



We requested the team to provide a video of the three members below. If they are able to provide such a video we will remove this accusation.

https://i.imgur.com/sNHONdy.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/3VJdhtF.png

https://i.imgur.com/MrtfuHu.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/tSHZoe2.jpg


If you know how to detect computer generated images - PLEASE DO NOT SHARE in public/do not post here.




Title: Re: Tokenizator - FAKE TEAM - using computer generated images.
Post by: aioc on May 27, 2019, 03:24:11 PM
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We requested the team to provide a video of the three members below. If they are able to provide such a video we will remove this accusation.

That's fair I think every member of ICO should have a video or a webinar or an event where all teams are present, although it will not guaranty that the project is legit but at least we know who will we run after if ever the team run away with investors money.


Title: Re: Tokenizator - FAKE TEAM - using computer generated images.
Post by: Foxpup on May 27, 2019, 03:39:22 PM
I think every member of ICO should have a video or a webinar or an event where all teams are present,
I'm afraid I have some bad news. (https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/22/mona-lisa-frown-machine-learning-brings-old-paintings-and-photos-to-life/)

https://techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/monalisa.gif


Title: Re: Tokenizator - FAKE TEAM - using computer generated images.
Post by: coin-investor on May 27, 2019, 10:57:40 PM
I think every member of ICO should have a video or a webinar or an event where all teams are present,
I'm afraid I have some bad news. (https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/22/mona-lisa-frown-machine-learning-brings-old-paintings-and-photos-to-life/)

https://techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/monalisa.gif

Damn, that is so brilliant, you have to be very good at this to spot the difference, the team should have some sort of questions and answer in Youtube or in a webinar for us to believe that we are talking to a real person, just like they do in MLM and affiliate marketing.


Title: Re: Tokenizator - FAKE TEAM - using computer generated images.
Post by: ICOEthics on May 28, 2019, 12:00:23 AM
~snip...
I'm afraid I have some bad news. (https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/22/mona-lisa-frown-machine-learning-brings-old-paintings-and-photos-to-life/)

~snip

Yes it is bad news! I saw this recently and posted here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5110020.msg51200566#msg51200566). I dont think the software is available to the public yet as the one to make fake people that is already available to the public.
But we can always ask the suspected person(s) to do certain tasks in the video, such as make a video holding a banana, or a newspaper, or...


Title: Re: Tokenizator - FAKE TEAM - using computer generated images.
Post by: smyslov on May 28, 2019, 04:41:37 AM
~snip...
I'm afraid I have some bad news. (https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/22/mona-lisa-frown-machine-learning-brings-old-paintings-and-photos-to-life/)

~snip

Yes it is bad news! I saw this recently and posted here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5110020.msg51200566#msg51200566). I dont think the software is available to the public yet as the one to make fake people that is already available to the public.
But we can always ask the suspected person(s) to do certain tasks in the video, such as make a video holding a banana, or a newspaper, or...


I'm sure it will be used by the freelancers on Fiverr and on the various freelance market. it makes things easier for people to scam investors, investors should be aware of this software, I will never invest or promote ICO that fails to prove they have real people in their team that is experts in their field.


Title: Re: Tokenizator - FAKE TEAM - using computer generated images.
Post by: TECSHARE on May 28, 2019, 05:15:50 AM
Yep, these are definitely generated faces. I have training and experience in graphics, as well as some moderate level of knowledge of forensic analysis of them, and I can see clear artifacts within the images indicating they are indeed not real photos.

This is not new or hard to access, this technology is free to use here. https://thispersondoesnotexist.com/


Title: Re: Tokenizator - SCAM FAKE TEAM - using computer generated images.
Post by: ICOEthics on May 28, 2019, 12:06:03 PM
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UPDATE:
As ICOEthics pointed out - the team that has been presented is not real. We have debated this for a long time and the final decision has changed multiple times.
I'm personally responsible for using placeholder information - which not suppose to happen. Due to the nature of this project, the involvement of well-known casino and sports betting brands - the team will remain anonymous until the end of 2020 when some of our members non-compete contracts will expire.

We understand the concern and limited trust an anonymous project will receive but our team strongly believe that Tokenizaor is going to change the "soft gaming" industry.

As mentioned in davidwilson17's post - In our team, we have people who work in online casinos & betting industry. Therefore, we decided to use "anonymous" identities, due to the non-compete contracts in force.

"Anonymous". They created Linkedin profiles with work history, etc... The intention of this scammer is very obvious - to fool people and take the money.

https://i.imgur.com/YUnIxqA.jpg

This Profile  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2611445)needs to be tagged by other DTs

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamie-chadwick-803b04184/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jannet-keller-b02a37184/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshua-becker-097983183/