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Bitcoin => Electrum => Topic started by: Little Mouse on May 27, 2019, 03:30:31 PM



Title: Fee and Size are different at wallet and explorer
Post by: Little Mouse on May 27, 2019, 03:30:31 PM
I have used manual fee (3 satoshi per byte) and the size was 111 bytes as per electrum when I sent the transaction. Later, i checked it in the explorer and surprisingly the size is 192 bytes and the fee 1.734 satoshi per bytes.

Screenshot from my electrum

https://i.imgur.com/9GV3J37.png

TX- https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/8a95f05d72d9283bfd759352d3053c04e16e6674ee4c451bd1a72b09d14a3a0e


Title: Re: Fee and Size are different at wallet and explorer
Post by: TryNinja on May 27, 2019, 04:00:30 PM
That’s a Segwit transaction (which is calculated differently).

Your tx has a fee of 3 sat/vByte or 1.734 sat/byte. Basically, that’s why Segwit transactions are cheaper. However, I don’t know the technical details about this, so that’s all I can say. :D

You can see it here (in a explorer that supports Segwit): https://blockstream.info/tx/8a95f05d72d9283bfd759352d3053c04e16e6674ee4c451bd1a72b09d14a3a0e

Blockchain.info doesn’t, so they don’t see that.


Title: Re: Fee and Size are different at wallet and explorer
Post by: Little Mouse on May 27, 2019, 04:02:58 PM
1.734 sat/byte.
Then I have messed up seriously, I thought to use 3 satoshi per byte. What's the odd that the transaction will take more than 24 hours to be confirmed, I need it within 24 hours.


Title: Re: Fee and Size are different at wallet and explorer
Post by: TryNinja on May 27, 2019, 04:04:59 PM
1.734 sat/byte.
Then I have messed up seriously, I thought to use 3 satoshi per byte. What's the odd that the transaction will take more than 24 hours to be confirmed, I need it within 24 hours.
(I may be wrong) but I think that this tx has the same effect as a 3 sat/byte tx; while you only paid 1.734 sat/byte because of the Segwit “discount”.


Title: Re: Fee and Size are different at wallet and explorer
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on May 27, 2019, 06:38:52 PM
The fee per vbyte is what matters for getting your transaction confirmed. The fee per byte is pretty much irrelevant. You transaction has a fee of 3 sat/vbyte, and that is what is relevant to miners.

Having said all that, it still might not confirm within 24 hours. There is currently around 11 MB of transactions with a fee above 3 sat/vbyte, and this is currently on an upward trend (https://jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#1,8h). As your transaction is opted in to Replace By Fee, if it is vital it confirms within 24 hours, then you might want to consider increasing the fee.


Title: Re: Fee and Size are different at wallet and explorer
Post by: Abdussamad on May 27, 2019, 06:48:31 PM
You can bump the fee by right clicking on the transaction on the history tab and choosing increase fee, set a new fee, then click sign and broadcast.


Title: Re: Fee and Size are different at wallet and explorer
Post by: BitMaxz on May 27, 2019, 11:09:40 PM
According to your transaction, you have a lock time at block:578041 this block height is under antpool you can check it here https://www.blockchain.com/btc/block/000000000000000000127f2b985ff6de10028c73c181bbf2d244acf9fd328937

Since your transaction is not included on their block possible your transaction is rejected from them.

However, if there is another block generated there is a possibility that your transaction might include soon once if they accept low fees.

I suggest you increase the miner's fee and follow the fees from a calculator like this one https://coinb.in/#fees


Title: Re: Fee and Size are different at wallet and explorer
Post by: nc50lc on May 28, 2019, 12:59:15 AM
According to your transaction, you have a lock time at block:578041 this block height is under antpool you can check it here https://www.blockchain.com/btc/block/000000000000000000127f2b985ff6de10028c73c181bbf2d244acf9fd328937
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That's not how Lock time works.
It simply indicates that the transaction can now be "mined" after that block.

@Little Mouse fees are pretty low at the moment, you can rest easy as your 3sat/byte got a good chance of getting confirmation today, unless the mempool got abruptly congested within the next hours.


Title: Re: Fee and Size are different at wallet and explorer
Post by: TryNinja on May 28, 2019, 01:15:04 AM
And... it got confirmed.

You just got unlucky with BTC randomly pumping another 10% (which usually results in a lot of transactions for a few hours)).


Title: Re: Fee and Size are different at wallet and explorer
Post by: HCP on May 28, 2019, 01:55:55 AM
For the record... the "best" explorer I've seen at displaying "correct" transaction sizes and fee rates is actually btc.com: https://btc.com/8a95f05d72d9283bfd759352d3053c04e16e6674ee4c451bd1a72b09d14a3a0e

You can clearly see the "raw" size, the "virtual" size, the "weight"... and then the fee rate paid in BTC/kVB:
https://i.imgur.com/qQE6OzT.png


Note: You can work out the sats/vByte by dividing by 1000 => 3000 / 1000 = 3 sats/VByte




Title: Re: Fee and Size are different at wallet and explorer
Post by: Little Mouse on May 28, 2019, 08:25:22 AM
Thank you everyone, I was confused what it is but now it's clear what is Raw Size and Virtual size. With 3 satoshi per virtual size, the transaction was confimed after approximately 10 hours. That's much cheap.