Bitcoin Forum

Please my fellow crypto friends I need answers badly about ICO and none ICO projects . my question to you all is
Why are projects with NO ICO always do better than the ones who were actually funded from ICO ? Projects with no funds or whatso ever should be the ones facing what ICO projects are facing excluding scams ones

What exactly do you mean by No-ICO projects? Give an example so that people understand what you are asking. Projects have more control if they hold funding through ICO. So in that way it gives scammer chance to set a trap since there is no third party to look over it.

I can not agree with your opinion as there are no projects without investments in the cryptocurrency market. You are talking about those projects that did not conduct a public sale of tokens, but they attract investors in other ways, and everything about fraudulent projects is quite a lot among the masses.

Those projects that didn't conduct no ICO at all might be sincere with what they are trying to reach the people, whilst most of the ICO projects, they're all just for the collection of money. Scammers found a way to scam easily through ICO that's why that market is becoming dangerous these days. However, there's a reinvention through IEO.

At the moment, there has already been a huge amount of case of fraudulent projects that carried out the pre-sale of tokens. Nevertheless, in my memory there were projects that were published without fundraising. It was DeepOnion.
I think that now it is simply not worth investing in suspicious projects in order to protect yourself.

Im a little bit confused with your thread. but i answer it base on my own understanding, Actually ICO projects are just like fishing on the lake without any guarantee to catch any fish, thats why most of it "the project" that has not meet its funding requirements is ending failed, as i see it most of the projects that funded by ICO's results has no working product before it was launch so what can we expect with empty project that has no usecase and utilizatioin. nothing thats why it was ended up dumping its coins.

Because these projects used their own funds to create a platform but not at all. I thought you should recorrecting your sentences about that. Remember almost 80% of major coins were started from ico. That depends on how good you to do your own research to get the best ico.
I thought that you are a little big misunderstanding about that.

I am not getting what you are trying to say but what I understood is that initial coin offerings are just a game from project developers to make more money initially which which is the recent only they created the project so they will left the project without any development if they got the profit to early that is why we don't have to support premined coins.

There's no proof that "non-ICO" projects "always" perform better than ICO projects.From where did you heard this?It doesn't matter if the project is ICO,STO or IEO.The important factors are the transparency and quality of the dev team,the idea and goal  of the project and the control mechanisms so the investors won't get scammed.

Every crypto project always have some sort of funding raising stage, be it ICO or IEO, even those who did not go through this always had funds through private funding. As for j=knowing if a project is scam or not, it is on each investor to do their own due diligence before investing in them.

I think the project without ICO is more difficult and the possibility of the team does have sufficient capital in development. During this time, I have met with many projects that conducted ICOs for introductions and promotions. There are many obstacles, but this is a project that I often follow.

Hello mate, i think they're all the same for reaching their goals with or without ico, and i think they reverse the mindset of traders and investors. as i noticed without ico project is easily be listed in market and most of them creating fake traders and volumes.

Everything happens so because those projects which work without raising money - they initially have a financial protection and experience with cryptocurrency.

You did not mention at least some coins  that are successful but did not launch an ICO, they did not launch an ICO because there were privately funded, and they are selling their token in the market instead of the usual ICO, which can be profitable sometimes because in the market they can hype it or create fake volume.

I think he reffers to coins like bitcoin, Litecoin and Ethereum which not have an ICO and they are successful on long time and some of altcoins which don't need a ICO and have a great price and who buy early get a lot of profit if hold.

Because no ICO projects have the higher chance of being fully dedicated to creaet a fully working product for their project, they funded the project themselves because they believe in their future, while ICO projects are just usually made for their bad intentions, but of course not all ICOs are like that but it is fair to say the most of them are scam.

Sometimes, some developers just want to collect people's money through public sales and live off the fund, they actually have nothing to offer and at the end, investors will just be crying for the loss of their funds. Whereas some project that had no ICO nor premine are doing excellently well. Hyro had no public sales, Polymath had no ICO too, yet they are still very much around and doing well. Look at ETN, Ubex, Savedroid, Storique and many others that collected huge fund, what can they show for it? Certainly nothing.

If you mean non-ICO as private funding than you are correct largely.
When projects are privately funded, they are also directly guided and looked over, they are made accountable for their work and the fiance are transparent.
While a ICO project is highly cryptic after their fund raise. Has no responsibility towards the investors and provides no transparency about the works and the wages of the team members.

Ethereum was one of the most successful cryptos and it started with an ICO.  Many projects have succeeded by raising funds in the start but I guess people favor a more fair pow coin that everyone can freely mine at the start.

Pre-determined price is one of the factors that affect the success, most especially the prices of projects when listed on exchange.
There is now a particular custom that is common with most traders and investors, which is that, if a coin from just concluded ICO, is listed on exchange, it would not trade at exactly or even above the ICO price. Which is why you see some of them dump to as low as -x10 the ICo price, because they are after profit making, which might come when the price starts growing back to its ICO price.
Non-ICO coins on the other hand, when listed, their prices are determined mainly by the m
market, which in some cases might trade very high.

All steps in the business must be accompanied by knowledge, small things in making decisions must be based, such as when we are trading in deciding to buy or sell based on knowledge of the market, charts and so on, without it just getting lost and just relying on luck

Do u mean non ICO is a self funded project?  I think no project can survive when there is no exact funding. Thats why a project going for ICO because they want to be well funded and well known to the crypto world. It's also an advantage of project in ICO to be known but we can't deny the fact of many abusive project lurking that ended as scam.

Maybe in the beginning days of crypto a self funded project maybe has a chance to succeed. But nowadays i think without proper funding for developing and marketing, success rate is below %1.

Your question contains a hypothesis. But is this hypothesis true? Or do you have the results of a research on this issue?

The best project without an ICO is bitcoin.
The best project with ICO is ethereum.
I do not think that one of them is better than the other. In addition, the future will change market conditions. Who knows what will be better?

I do not really understand your point. In my opinion there is no project without ICO. Because ICO-funded projects are better and clearer than projects that have no ICO.

It would be better and perfect if you first learned about the ICO project, and then gave clear questions. Maybe you interpret the number of ICO projects that have failed, but that does not mean that all ICO projects are like SCAM. Please differentiate fundamentally first.
Thank you so much.

I also think that there are no projects without ICO, it is better to invest in projects with investments than to engage in such nonsense

Okay, I already get what you really meant.

You could probably mean it is Bitcoin as it hasn't conduct any offerings but I guess you are wrong if you think that if someone conduct an ICO will at the end be failed, dead or left abandoned. The great start of ICO is when Ethereum did it, and look how better they are, though most from the past that those who conduct ICOs hasn't do any better or shall I say most fail.

I guess those who doesn't conduct an ICO are sure successful just imagine no set price has been given but value continues to increase an example of that is Bitcoin. But this days, I couldn't think if that will be possible again with no proper funding.

At first glance I understand that if the project without ico they are really ready in terms of funds so that it is easy to carry out developments, while those who hold ico they are only ready in terms of concept while the funding aspect is still very much needed.

I don't think so. Every ICO has the same opportunity to become a scam in the future, and we don't know which project will do that. We only know when the project was running for a while, but there is no update news from the developer or the teams, and we don't know how the progress of the project.

Most projects with no ICO always have private investors. Take for instance IOST, they did very well after listing on Binance. Project with no ICO doesn't mean nobody buys into their coin, private sale is even better off, especially when the vesting period for private investors is reasonable.

If one person or a group decide to develop a project from their on pocket, then it means they have a big plan for the project and are committed to seeing it progress so they can reap from it. On ther side, if a project is funded through ICO, the team contributed less and still jave huge sums of money and so in most cases, the commitment will less. My suggestion though

Yes sure, no knowledge is a waste. I also think people dump ICO coins on exchange because of this same notion that the price normally dumps when listed. And now IEO coins pump because of the notion that the do well upon listing. But that's not the case in all situations. Take for instance IEO listed on Bittrex, which dumped below the IEO price. Also some ICOs still do well upon listing. I think some teams set strong buy wall (buy back strategy) to avoid massive dump.

Project with no ico doesn't mean there isn't any funds to raise the project.. there must have been some sort of private investment.. anything would be a shit death trap coin

I think hes talking about projects that give a way free tokens on bounty and airdrops.. but the truth is.. they must have made some forth of private investments .. else the project is definitely a scam

If the projects do not conduct ICO now, it does not mean that they are better. Just ordinary investors do not trust the ICO and project developers understand this. Now they are just looking for a sponsor who will be interested in their product and therefore they do not need to raise funds through an ICO.

What you don't really understand is not about ICO project contributing or not contributing to the progress of a crypto project. The progress of every crypto project solely depends on the actual purpose of the project and what the project is actually solving in the crypto ecosystem and the world in general. Majority of the  crypto projects who do not have ICO's basically have well define purposes and addresses realistic problems seen in the entire world.

Many projects are aimed at institutional investors. And such investors Finance the project with very large sums. Beginning projects are very difficult to develop and most often they turn into scams.

I often see the ico project, some are successful and some are not successful, but if the project without ico I have never seen it because every project definitely needs funds in carrying out the concept they are compiling, so I have never seen a project without ico.

its not really all non ICO project do better.. it depend of the purpose there a lot of non ico coin that not do well.. if you will look in altcoin ann there a lot of non ico coin that dont even hit exchange some of them was abandon by team because of insufficient funds for development.. some of them was use to pump and dump result is lose of funds of many investor.. before the ICO problem there are non ICO or mineable coin problem where developer release coin a lot daily to use to scam people..

Not sure what you mean my non ICO project. There are lots of alt coins out there that were created which were either some clone of a coin or some pure shit coins. They just pop up and then dies in just few days. They are just made the developers to dump it in the market and few few bucks profit out of it. Again, ICO projects are not always a scam. There are projects out there that are actually being successful. Again there are projects out there that are just scamming the investors by running away with their money or just failing to deliver what they promised.

I think you are right because coins like monero ,dero ,deeponion etc hosts no ICO at all and they are doing better ,I think it doesn't matter though ,there are few ones that fund there projects themselves e.g Apollo currency ,I think we all only need to be smarter when choosing coins to invest in

As long as I participate here, I have never seen a question like you asked. Projects directly with the ICO are clearer and far from scams. Maybe you have other meanings with your question, can you explain more clearly?

Because those projects that do not conduct ICO look more promising because they often already have a good product and they just need to attract people. And there is less chance that such a project will be a scam.

I don't think so. ICO and any promotional activities will help to make a certain project known to the community and investors could notice it. In this way, investors can look into any scam possibility as they can review feedback for the community. Unlikely, due to the widespread of scam ICO's it makes investors worries and doubts to put their money with them, and it could be better for them to invest those who have already a working product.

I guess the original O.P is referring to projects that did not perform token sales for example HYDRO which has continued to do very well in the cryptocurrency market despite not performing any crowdfunding.

Some projects are not performing good in the market unless there was any guide by known market analysts. HYDRO is an exception in this case but I believe their developers made a great job with playing rules of the game.

Maybe he was getting scam from many projects which have ICO and NO ICO, and he wants to know how to detect the scam project. The truth is we don't know how to do that because every project will be potential to be a scam project. But the difference is the real project will still continue the project no matter how bad the market conditions and they will explain everything to their investor about the real situations because they don't want to make their investor worried.

I will only express my opinion according to my knowledge. I think the project that is run without ICO is indeed sometimes better because this project without ICO will pay its workers with coins that are already on the market. Of course coins that are on the market are coins that have been proven to be able to survive in the market and potentially provide benefits. But if a project is ICO funded, the ICO will offer their coins which certainly cannot clearly survive and compete in the market or not.

I understand what you mean, I also have the same question, why projects that don't use ICO are far better than those using ico even though they don't use large funds to develop their projects, and I think it's because of the vision and mission of the founder, but that's just a guess I

Project without any ico's offering used own investment, the team behind see the potential of their products and with good dedication it will be supported after being available inside the market, OP might confused or suffered from being victimized by those scammed projects that offers ico's and needs to learn more about his research.

I think the projects that carry ICO and No-ICO are only for reference, it is not a method to judge the level of success and effectiveness of the project but it only comes from specific conditions. From the turn, the construction, the idea and the purpose of each team in the project. Everything, does not mean we will go through fake guys, scam. Be careful and carefully consider everything before embedding money in any project.

That is what I check the ICO before investing or participating in their airdrop or bounties.

We can accept any form ICO for investment but we need to be little closer to understand which is correct ICO project for you. Your less knowledge on finding the good ICO makes the exchanges takes control over the crypto with the name of called IEO.

So please improve your knowledge finding good ICO. Now all ICO listing are fake and soon exchanges will fake you with the IEO.

It's funny but that's the situation on ground. The reason is this, any project that is self-funded (no ICO) tends to do well as the team knows exactly what they want and how to go about it. That's why you will see the team launching new products or services every now and then, and when investors sees this will be attracted and thereby investing and helping the project to grow more. And in this self-funded projects it's hard to see scams because the team already have a goal.
On the other hand, most ICO projects tends to be another thing altogether, some will exit scam, some can't even offer any tangible results etc.

It seems that not always a project without ICO is successful, some time ago I followed the bounty of a project without ICO but unfortunately the project was a scam and I was very disappointed, even though the project was very convincing.
Usually this project without ICO is ready in terms of funds, and they are usually funded by investor partners. This kind of project is really really to develop the concept.

I think all project for the crypto in the world should need a huge money to start up for the development and operational for many sector. It cause the project held the ICO for find the investors that want to buy some their coin. But their project must be have an amazing or different something.

And if I may add, some of those projects who didn't conduct ICO are those that has established platform already, and they have their own funds or private investors that are sustaining the project to operate. So they are bound to success because no matter what, they are not dependent from the funds of the public community. They can proceed with their developments on their own effort and money. Whereas, those who are conducting ICO are more than likely relying on the funds that they are getting from the people, and unluckily most of them fall in the scam category.

If you posted any examples according to your question we can understand really what you want to know. Mainly a good project depends on the developer's team, active team members, project vision and the product. But obviously, need fund to keep stand your project a long time and more improvement. So team members are trying to ICO to collect some money for project improvement. In this way, I want to say ICO project is better than Non-ICO/ Self funded projects. The self Funded project can be looks like Good for a little bit of time by making hype and by increasing the token price by any pump team but not for long term IMO. So if you want to know my opinion I will always choose the ICO project instead of Non-ICO project for making any investment. Thanks

I think I understand what you are saying; let's take it like this, when you build a project with your funds it is likely to do well and as people starts investing you can expand and bring in more services. This can be likened to projects which didn't carry out any ICO but are doing well than their counterparts.
Also, there are other who couldn't list or build any MVP due to lack of funds. So I think it all depends on the team, what they knows and their capabilities.

i think its because a project who didn't run an ICO usually is a serious project mate
wich mean their team member always do the best for their project with their own money
but not all project with no ICO succed, sometimes the project failed too my friend
and learn all things about the project before decided to buy is the best idea  ;)

Not all POW are successful, even those  100% premined and distributed to the community fail miserably if you look at the Announcement board of altcoin, there are lots of POW that had been long dead. OP statement is not true  thus, making it incorrect. 

all projects really need huge funds and I think the project that is currently often successful is a project that has a platform to exchange, because I see a number of other platforms currently losing to the exchange platform.

Since You are comparing,then You should give examples of those projects that did not conduct an ICO.I know few such projects. Basically, these are projects that have been successful in IEO.And if you look at the picture in General, now there are few working projects at all(regardless of whether they conducted an ICO or not).

Exactly, ICO is for funding and getting more budget to keep their project alive and to do those plans that they have. But I disagree that they are bound to success, the company might be successful in other terms but just because there's already a working company their project/tokens will be getting that success that they are expecting. Not every company that launches their own tokens becomes like that.

It's not always. There were successful projects today that were once ICO's. It's not about on how these projects were funded. It's about the developers and team behind the projects. Non-ICO projects usually have good teams of developers and supports. This is one main reason to be successful.

Many successful projects do not use ICO and I think you are right. But for now, the project without ICO is also very difficult to get investors. Investors are interested in investing because the ICO is able to raise large funds. So they think that the project can make a profit. But you must be careful in determining the project and before you join must do research.

For example Ravencoin, this coin no premine, no ICO or fundraising and drive by community. The growth of this coin very amazing and the price always increase. Its good coin and i think this coin could be a profitable investment in the future because developers team always improve the platform

Like bitcoin, there is no ICOs and created by satoshi nakamoto and its open source. There is no CEO behind bitcoin and no authority can control the supply but bitcoin gain investor trust. I think its about trust from investor because investor must be invest on good crypto with good security

Many projects do not use public token sale. For example Telegram from Pavel Durov. A huge amount of money was raised but all the coins were bought by planned investors.

the answer is actually simple because the ico project is only limited to fundraising but they use funds not 100% for projects that I'm sure of, but divided by personal needs and some of the funds are 100% for personal interests (scam) and it seems like if you want to keep following dwyor.

I think without ICO has more success because they have funds already to start and operate their project and and they have resources that they need

Knowledge is power and this same principle works in crypto. For one to turn out to be a good crypto investor, the person needs to attain adequate information about the market trend and the particular project of interest. This can only be achieved through the performance of personal researches - the best way to grab the real information.

To be honest, I haven't heard any project that didn't go through ICO. And if there is any, what you're saying is surely not always the case. It would still depend on how the team will perform and also how their product will perform. I would recommend you try to join IEO projects.

I often hear of projects without ICO. What I know is why they did not do the ICO because they already had funds to develop their projects. Therefore they did not conduct ICO. And you suggest for IEO, it's actually not that different from IEO and ICO. The goal is to collect funds from investors to develop their projects.

It is a very important thing. If you do not have this knowledge then you have to lose it. Therefore, you need to study this topic deeply. For this purpose, ideas should be invested before it.

Knowledge they say, is power. The more an individual knows about cryptocurrency,  the easier it is to make an headway into success. The easiest way to learn is by cultivating the habit of reading and asking questions. Infact, one is safe in the multitude of good counsellors. An individual who asks question should also be ready to accept answers. And whatever one learms, even if it I not instrumental at the moment, it will definitely be at some other time. No knowledge is lost!

It depends on their products/services they are offering, yes some succeed even if they don't have any ICO program simply because they can fund the project and they believe that it will be good for the market. On the other hand many ICO also succeeds and was able to go to the top positions and even if they don't have much money, they are being supported by the community and that is why they succeed. Good projects, means good future for them.

Many project dont have idea of what to do but only after the money and once they hit the money the whole thing turn dark again and begin killing the project from onset .

ICO suppose be the most performing project and we still have some that are from ICO and doing great in the community cis they have plan and are goal driving one to those who really after the money.

More reason ICO dont make money any more as many has detect their way of defrauding investors .

For me, no ICO projects are legit and are more serious than ICO's where they already have there own budget rather than beg for the public. They have genuine staff and goals. Unlike ICO's where everything must be given and they have to hire complete strangers to advertise there company.

I exactly do not know why this happens. But it seems that privately funded projects are doing well in the market than the one funded publicly. There are many projects funded personally performing well. Veil is one of them. I think personally funded project does well because the project owners become very serious about making the project a success as their money is invested in it.

I am confused by your question. I know the project runs with funds from ICO investors, while what you ask about this project is without funds from investors? honestly I don't know that, even projects that have funds are not necessarily successful especially with projects that do not have funds?

The average will experience problems and also they will get a loss because they only rely on Fomo from the market. usually shitcoin who come without capital and do free airdrop for users.

I do not agree with your opinion, that projects that do not use ICO are better than those who use, I see a lot of good projects that use ICO, for example ETH, Tron and Cardano

Sometimes project drive by community more worth to invest because it created based on community need. Sometimes project developers team when the target reach, they not focus anymore to the project and ended as scam

When talking about ICOs with high target and reach the target, its about a lot money and man behind the project can forget about the project or the goal. Open source project with no ICOs sometimes had better performance because they just want to dedicating to the project and always improve the platform

Because these projects have excellently built products and bring real value. They have the money available to list on the exchanges, and they have big investors who can help the project reach many new investors. Therefore, these projects do not implement ICO but always have a higher level of development than the ICO projects.

Maybe that will depend on the developer and the team behind the project. If they can hard work for the project, then if they don't have any funds for the project, they still running the project because they are sure that their project will give benefits to people. And someday, there will be people who want to invest with their project if the project is really worth to get any funds from the people.

This is because most startups that come in the name of ICO are not really ready to focus on bringing the project to lamelite but on how they can raise a lot of funds from investors and make away with it,  this is why a lot of persons have already given up on the ICO market including myself and I am never returning there even in years to come since I have moves to IEO already.

That is true, you should know about the project, idea in which you invest, but that is not enough, you have to follow everystep what they do and it is time consuming, thats why people are loosing money in low cap coins.

I think what he mean is Why some none ICO project has more become successful than some real ICO's. My answer is we have some different perspectivve regarding investing on a new project as of now the era of ICO is officially ended we are not on the 2015 anymore there less and less ICO project to come now. because of the IEO and some other Offering out there.s

I don't think that's the point. Most likely, the matter is in the honesty of the creators of the project.
ICO was organized by Ethereum. Bitcoin started without all this. The people who created the first crypto coins had / have other priorities in life. People who are now creating coins, want money, nothing more.

Big check and this is totally a big factor in cryptocurrency participants that has no knowledge in terms of choosing bounty projects to work a d for projects to invest so they are always being fooled and scam by scammers so if you dont have the knowledge to look for a good project i can help you to find a good project like this the Dencoin tokens that we buy in the ico of the project and this altcoin os good for holding for a long time.

Not all projects require initial funding to release a new product or service as some are community based and can be successful if the ecosystem is well supported, but other startups do require capital for development and marketing purposes for mainstream adoption which differentiate them

Indeed, project need ecosystem and community, if the community are solid and always improve the project, the price must be keep increase. With no CEO or management behind the project, there is no interest except just want to developing the platform

The importance of knowledge cuts across every aspect of life and not only in crypto. Knowledge is power and one of the tools used by man to survive in every field. In crypto, attaining is very paramount in all the avenues for making profit ranging from crypto investment, trading, mining, bounty hunting to whatever means to earn cryptocurrency. This is why is is important for every crypto enthusiast to do personal study on crypto before embarking on any of the avenues to earn cryptocurrency.

Low cap coins have no progress most of the time and that's why its too risky. Knowledge is something that you must have always because if you go to a battle without it then you meant to lose. I don't invest if I don't have to time to make research, that's more safe than to risk buying low coins.

Your statement seems vague. ICO projects is always associated with scams. 90% of ICO nowadays are not legit and we can still easily spot if the ICO itself is just for fundraising or just a type of an exit scam. Always read the whitepaper, the goal or the objective is important. If you think it is feasible or not to possible to happen. The team behind the projects. There are fake teams that are just created for the benefit of ICO productions.

most projects do not ico sure they have big guys behind and there are many big investors backing. so they do not need to run ico and bonuses. with such projects they have better potential and technology.

ICO supported or none ICO supported will not be an assurance for the success of every project. The project should depending on their commodity that it should be feasible to the masses so that it may attract more people to invest and also ensuring the project has legit team owners that the project really exist.

It depends upon goals, team, technology of a project. If a project has a strong team, good goals and unique technology, it will do well in the market irrespective of it is public or individual funded. There are many projects funded publicly through ICO, IEO or STO which are doing well in the market. There are also such projects individual funded doing bad as well.

Are you saying direct sell tokens into market!! if so i think you are in wrong position. From ICO investors can know projects roadmap and portfolio. So that they can agree to invest here. But if you don't create ICO no body will know your tokens and scammers will do frued here. So i think you are in wrong concepts.

Actually not quite right. A legit funded project ICO will have quick rate to developing because the funds.
Self funded project will running slowly because limited funds they can use.
But the problem is, there were many scam funded projects, and resulting other legit project difficult to raising funds.

If you are looking on RavenCoin project, you will understand community project concept. Its no premine and no fund raising, because drive by community like bitcoin. I think there is a lot non premine coin and many are success and many dont have solid community

and this is what makes investors confused. with the existence of fraudulent projects funded, making investors look positively towards the project and eventually they are caught in a fraud

The original bitcoin did not go through an ico and is the most successful project. However, looking at record breaking fundraisers like eos and tezos they are doing very well

Projects with no ICO are usually premined coins, and they have their fund already to do so, so they are not after the money completely, but after the use of blockchain technology to make their project successful. Most companies you see conducting ICO has never in their life touch such amount of money.

Many of them just fell like trying it which they get successful and really doesn’t know how to handle the fund or how to continue with the project, so they end up preferring to go with the money and the ones that have little conscience will join and exchange for few people to still benefit before going away. I think the money is the main issue here why some of these ICO projects don’t perform well.

Exactly. No knowledge is really a lost becauae for example, if you really dont have a knowledge and you were entering a crypto worls its really a lost for you like you are just wasting your time here without any good basis into what project you might in. So for me, if you dont have enougj knowledge basically you will fall into a bad projects and get nothing from it. But if you have knowledge it will definitely leads you into projects that is good like the dencoin tokens which can give you a really good future investment.

Yes bro I think knowledge is power. But knowledge is rellay lost. Because there are many projects are not success. So ICO price looking very poor now. So market condition is not good. Project management system very difficult.

Without knowledge in cryptocurrency will always lead to failure and disappointment,so before you start investing and doing cryptocurrency project promoting you must study first the pros and cons so you will have idea in what way you will handle the risk in the cryptocurrency.Be wise as always dont be afraid to make mistakes here ,all of us in the first time here made mistakes also and this will lead us to successful journey in cryptocurrency.

knowledge is not power. Strength is the knowledge that is combined with practice. because if knowledge does not apply - they are useless

MIstakes is normal. without making mistakes, people do not advance in any business. People who make no mistakes just do nothing

I guess it would be this way. A company who has a capital or funds in the first place is more likely to succeed aince they dont want to waste their own money doing nothing. On the other hand, if a company does need ICO, then it has a possibility to close if they doesnt meet the required amount of investment.

i know about hydro tokens with no ico and no fund raising. the project had only airdrops. it was worth a coin now. a good project with a good market currently.

I can't understand this & confused about this issue. Think no any project stands in the market without their investment. There is no possibilty of success any project who depended on icons.l think so.

The first step in ICO funding is called seed funding or private sale.  Sometimes the ICO generates large amount of funds on its initial token sale so there is no need to conduct a public ICO. Sometime they only conduct airdrops and other marketing strategies that doesn't need to invite more investors. What it need is an effective marketing campaign for launching a new product or token and an active developer to develop the coin further.

Exactly where the dilemma is coming from actually. I really don't get the angle is coming from really. Cos i don't know how a project will survive without generating initial funds to finance the growth thereof.. Although i have heard about some actually I.e lottery and gaming projects which only wanted the publicity of their respective platforms to the general public

We have lots of projects in the market that never conducted ICO mate, we only got used to these ones because they use bounty hunting to lure lots of people and to get attentions. Most of these projects that didn’t conduct ICO have their own money already to establish the project and the only thing they usually do to get attention for people to use their product is to create a little airdrop.

I really prefer these ones because they don’t look hungry to me, and it shows that they are genuine company for them not to ask a dime in making their project successful and still creating chances for people to make little profit through the purchase of their coin.

Dear friend, i understand your point, its just that maybe they have already funds for running those projects, so lets take an example, i joined a bounty program for non ico program that is BTC2, a bitcoin hardfork, by this time of posting, their price went up, and its a good thing, what i like is that they keep of improving the project, BUT, i cannot anymore that non ico is better than ico projects, it depends on the developers and the team members in it.

To avoid this kind of fraud investors should make investigation before investing , it is not good to invest in unknown projects, there are so many famous and well trusted projects so everyone should if new in market can invest in these projects only, most of scammers will show you green garden but without research not good to trust blindly.

The problem is not about whether they have ICO or not. Some developers of ICO sometimes selling the coins in the exchange after listed.
That's why their coin price are low. They should transparent about coin supply, and the allocating percentages of the coin.
If the team keep transparent, the project developments with ICO funded will be faster than non-ICO funded.

You are right about this, just like I saw recently that Facebook was able to raise certain amount of money for its Facebook coin project which is expected to be released this month without conducting ICO for it, these ones are not after the money because they already have money and backup for big people internally, what they are just after is the promotion of their products which is why you would not see them conduct ICO.

Most of these projects hardly scam and they can be very reliable when they enter exchange, just that their development and value growth depends on the demand of their product and not all these pump and dump we see with all these other coins.

Knowledge is power and every one who is ready to acquire more learn from every aspect of live to get the going smooth.

The ICO not performing project are just a greed of a thing which shows if they actually use their funds to invest the project wouldn't just disappear to tin air but because they never loss anything regard funds they collected are just a free money and if the project dump their funds never as they will be in btc or ETH which has already gain stability in market and left the project not performing to users who surfer even with their hard earn money.

Yes, of course it's true little knowledge is dangerous for all investors. But there are many most popular & famous project's running successfully. there are many different  types of project  growing  up in the market ,some of them working with moto to collect money & see off after few months. My advice to all if we will try to get good earnings, then invest small money. I think  so.

I can assume that if blockchain project is launched without an ICO, then we are talking about the company's own funds, or about the private sale of coins. As a rule, if a project has its own means, it becomes successful, because initially there was a well-developed business model. In the case of ICO, it can only talk about fundraising, without further development.

Without further knowledge in cryptocurrency it will leads to a failure and disappointments. So before starting in any investment project and doing cryptocurrency promoting, first you have to study every detail of the pros and cons so you will have the idea in what way you will handle the risk in the cryptocurrency. Like in choosing a good trading project like the dencoin tokens. Ofcourse it lead you to have a good kind of profit. So in other hands without knowledge it only leads you to a failure and loss investment. 

ICO projects raise funds through fundraising by token sale, which is before listing on exchange, while non-ICO projects do not raise fund through fundraising, but I am sure they sell their coins on exchange and cashout.
Although, some non-ICO projects might have succeeded in past past, but most of them end up cashing out, leaving investors with almost nothing.

Because people who are trying to create something with their hard-earned money, they will try to go all the way and will undergo various obstacles, and other companies that are sponsored by investors, partners or other companies, having received a huge amount of money start to be lazy at all to work and to do something.

Many of the founders of projects who have never seen a lot of money just cannot resist the temptation to steal. Therefore, the choice of the project depends on the analysis of team members.

Projects without ICO are often called STO or IEO. STO is better than ICO, IEO is better than STO. This is due to the way they campaign or sell their tokens. The IEO immediately sells tokens in an official and trusted exchange, while their STO issues a project with their exchange launch target.

My advice is to all of us who will invest in the ICO program for now because there are many scams. then we must be careful and careful in looking at the various media that we can access to find out the truth and it is clear that they are developers of the projects we will follow ... so that we can better know that the project is SCAM or REAL

Before you invest in any new project, you must have a guide, or you need to search for the details of the project so you can have a vision about the project. That will give you more information to decide to invest or to leave the project, and you can prevent from choosing the bad project. Always be careful is the only way we can do and don't attract from any promotion that is not always true because the project wants to reach more investor.

For a better understanding of the situation it would be great if you gave us a few examples of what you mean. I know projects that, thanks to ICO, were able to become overwhelmingly successful.

If you fear fraud if you join ICO, it's better to turn to real trading in the crypto market. Use a little capital, while learning and practicing. Do not be afraid to fail. Just follow expert advice, buy when cheap prices and sell when prices are high.
Of course, what will play a role if you follow direct trading is the courage to execute, both when buying and selling. Because there are emotional factors that are definitely involved when prices rise or fall quickly. Therefore, you must learn to control patience and analyze the movement of coins.

Without knowledge in cryptocurrency is a lost and disadvantages especially in making investments so before joining and making investment in cryptocurrency you must first make researches but this project is proven and good in making investments the Dencoin tokens.

Always the knowledge is a mass and knowledge is a power so in cryptocurrency if you dont have knowledge you will not able to succeed your journey in cryptocurrency so before joining  crypto make sure you can able to take the risk to and failures especially mistakes in making decisions so this are the one who will teach you to succeed in cryptocurrency.

totally agree with you.  because knowledge and experience are invaluable things that you can never buy for anything, but only earned by your own labor and which can be used in any situation.

Actually before we verify a project, it is first verified by official platforms such as ICObench, ICORating, ICO Stamp and others. But the ending of the project listed there is also a scam. I think it's very difficult to know about a scam or no a project.
What I want to say is that perpetrators of fraud will be present when they intend to commit fraud. Sometimes project scams are more seriously managed than those that aren't.

Those projects that do not conduct ICO are more focused on the development of their project and they do not worry about the means. And those who do not have the funds to develop, have the risk not to raise the necessary funds and then their project will may be a failure.

It is not hard to gain knowledge because we know now a day crypto currency is very famous, it is famous on google, YouTube, and there are so many websites, so it can put us in risk, if we really want to gain profit we will have to learn more and more about crypto currency investment,. Trading and mining, learning and gaining knowledge is key for success in crypto currency.

It doesn't matter if you are involved in a project that is led by a good team. In a good, hard-working team, any project will be successful, regardless of whether they conduct an ICO or not.

Dont think you are right maybe you aren't so good informed but ETH was done with ico many good exchanges like Kucoin one ,the bigest one Binance was done with ICO so dont know why you think that way do a little more research.

The truth is that projects without ICo are more aimed to deliver product and their initial goal is create MVP and then create community.
As for ICOs, people just collect money and then start to develop something

I think that with such a state of things you need to fight very hard.  The team should represent real projects that can really be in demand in society, not to pursue the original goal of collecting money from investors.  Today, investors are very careful and attentive, and will not give their money to anyone.

The success of an ICO, if it is to be determined by the  method of fundraising is not a good yardstick. What I feel should be used is the solution that it provides to a problem and how much it is able to solve it.
Most of the projects doing well these days are IEO projects, which is already happening almost everywhere.

They have learned their lessons in such a hard way so they are now very selecting finding and selecting projects to invest their money, developers now
needs to show more on reality and not just promises that already been heard by the investors it's no longer effective.

learn and you have knowledge, with learning you have provisions for later.
investors are not careless in investing and of course research each project, because not all projects are good and therefore not easy to believe.

our knowledge will make us survive in this market.without our knowledge we just like a blind man in the dark.we will find nothing and even will loss our money.observe and research will show us which the opportunity in market.

If you mean an IEO as a non ICO variant than it is pretty obvious that projects are collecting funds if they are going to be listed on a good exchange. There are some projects that are going live on the market even without fundraising, because they already have a working product.

Yes. Indeed, there have been many articles that discuss trading, mining and investment. Maybe one of the best search engines at this time is Google. So we can get information there.
If we rarely learn about crypto, of course we will be afraid if we experience price declines.
Currently many are disappointed because they did not invest in Bitcoin, when they saw the price of Bitcoin has go to the month.

no ICO project means they have their own funds to develop, they will continue to focus and use the funds well. but projects that have ico I think will not use the funds properly, surely they still use it for personal needs such as vacation or shopping

don't be prejudiced like that. not all ICO projects are like that. if their performance is clearly visible with the success of their coins in the market and their platform is accepted by the market, I think the use of funds from ICO is very appropriate.

No ICO project means that they have already stand and they are already successful so that can't fail much problem like a project that has just started from scratch.

if that really happens it means they have done what they should not have done, the funds collected must be fully used to develop the project. that kind of thing will reduce the reputation of the ico project.

Maybe it's just a coincidence that you saw some project without doing some ICO that succeeds. usually they succeed if they have a better roadmap than the others and usually when doing some ICOs scam project is at the risk. so its better to learn more before we invest because without a knowledge with this kind of thing is a sure lost for both the investors and the hunters.

How do you mean by project with No ICO,  If you are talking about KYC now it is understandable. How will a project without ICO link up to market cap, if it's not ICO,it should be either STO or IEO. Be sure a project without these 3 is a scam if only it is newly established by cryptographers. There are different bodies that oversees to the success of every real projects, and that is why the white paper is important to be studied. Some are team,admin, social media manager, forum post managers etc, so a good project has a lot of scrutiny to make it genuine enough.

I am confused about understanding your question above, as far as I know ico can run well because it has funds or investments from its investors and if an ico project does not have at least the minimum funds / funds do not reach the target then the project will not run again. in the case of fraud projects because the funds are taken away by the developer and the team. another story if the project is delayed or failed because the funds do not reach the specified target.

Dont know what do you mean with projects with no ICO. I assume it as project which dont need fund raising for development.
In this scenario, projects have strong financial backup and off course a proven existing product with huge existing users. This type of project is already known to people so new users gain confidence joining it.

if we see an unfunded project getting better because they are not pursuing money and prefer to develop projects, and for ico at this time, many are merely looking for money and because of this they don't care about successful projects even some projects have already have evil intentions by making projects that seem good, but apparently are scams, but some ico are still in my opinion to be followed because I believe some of them still have the intention to seek funds to develop not to do scams.

Intended to be this way and I can say that this is inevitable and we cant really stop people on how they would make use of their own money but most of the
time they are spend into things which isn't worthy at all.Why? They are being dragged with the hype or simply being blinded by fake-good lookin projects.


ICO era might had passed but there are still some numbers of good ones but they do eventually failed up due to insufficient support and we cant blame those people or investors due to lots of scammy projects and frauds.Its just normal for people to be hesitant on throwing out some money.

they should be better in everything if they come as competitors to existing projects, but as a rule, they lose because they have  a little experience

A lot of people are still investing in every single project that pops up, without any knowledge about it and investigation. Such people are very likely to lose all their money, criticize the industry and say that the whole market is nothing more than a bubble.

Knowledge is needed in every aspects of life decisioning. So without knowledge, there is also lots of lost. Just like being here in tje cryptomarket, without knowledge of picking or choosing good project you are really ended up with dump projects because, you dont have the knowledge of studyinf it before joining  so knowledge is really needed to choose a good and quality project because when ypu have it, when you have knowledge you will definitely find a good one like the Aci coins tokens which is really promising project that has a potential to grow more day by day so in return you can have a good money investment.

It's a known fact that projects fly ICO's basically to raise funds, ICO's have lost its savor lately and projects waiting for ICO to be successful before commencing project development tends to be disappointed. On the other hand, projects without need for tokensales, tend to do better because they're commencing their projects development without the assistance of investors.

Everyone certainly needs knowledge and experience before deciding to do something, many people do things like invest and trade without knowing about it or without determining the right point to decide to buy and sell the coin. If you do not want to get a failure in investing then we need to learn about some important things about it.

OP is very correct on this one, coins with No ico No premine always seem more serious than projects looking for funds this days, it's like the rely only on the funds they want to make and run away with the money, this is one reason i like coins like ZCL and other privacy coins

depending on the project, don't give a statement that all projects that raise funds end up scam, it is very difficult now to choose a good project, but the ICO system is gone, and IEO helps us to buy coins easily without having to be hit by a scammer

I do not know exactly why crypto projects without ICO are doing well. But in my opinion, crypto projects funded by people's money are less serious about implementing their ideas and technologies than self-funded projects. Self-funded projects do hard work to make them a success as there investment in in the projects.

Most fundraising projects are scam, disgusting to be real. Surprisingly, they might not look like that, but try checking their intension critically well, you will discover that, they are just after the fund they want to collect and not the product they promised to deliver. Self funded projects tend to do all they could to ensure that their projects perform well on exchange, after listing.