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Edit June 10: Tomatocage signed a message with an old address from March 2015:


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=37522

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5151461.msg51376254#msg51376254
http://archive.is/rog7J#selection-3231.0-3231.16

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Don't know what to think here.

Or here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=37522

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How can you be sure that is a referral link? The query params /?_branch_match_id = xyz could be the campaign link that is redirected via bitcointalk. Usually, all the paid/affiliate referrals start with the route /ref/id or /ref_id = ''. I don't know which one it is but too early to conclude it is as a referral link at this point.

Are you saying Bitcointalk replaced the link?

Oh no. I meant some of these new websites have campaigns to check where the traffic is coming from rather who is bringing it. So assuming branch_match_id being the unique ID for links redirected via/from bitcointalk, the business would know how many site visits they've gotten from bitcointalk. Also, if the said condition is true, they wouldn't know who is bringing the traffic that is Tomatocage is not actually sharing any ref links.

But the actual link he posted (app.link/NNNNN) is unique, at least I couldn't find it on Google, so it looks like a referral. He could have just posted celsiusnetwork.app.link or celsius.network.

Granted I don't know well enough how these branch.io referrals work so I'm not rushing to report it to mods. Just looks weird that this is his first post after a year-long break.

Most probably yes! I didn't check the quoted link and it actually looks like referral since appending a random digit to that link just redirects to the actual original web page.

He has posted other messages in the lending thread if that helps... also from branch.io

^ That is the case here.

I presume you do not like this because he has the integrity that you and those you support lack.

I am guessing you reported the post as a "referral" link without actually verifying this, nor caring about the accuracy of this fact.  :D

It's definitely reflink "spam"...
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/15/z9slC.jpeg


For the record, I reported it.

I was wondering if you would jump in with your main account or with one of your sockpuppets.

I wouldn't call waking up just in time for DT1 election "integrity" but he would be instantly excluded (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-01_Sat_14.47h/37522.html) so who cares. How about you try to post something on topic, TYVM.

Its too bad the timing of him coming back has nothing to do with integrity, and I am confident the tides would change in regards to his inclusions.

This is nothing more than a smear attempt because how he acts compared to you and who you support would highlight the level of your corruption.

Whatever you say, Tomotaface. We all know you control that account you slimy pos. ::)

Conspiracy theorist.

The post seems to have been deleted - did you archive the post?

On the 20 May 2017, 02:43:03 I received a PM from tomatocage that appeared to me to be a hacked account - I made mention of that fact at the time, however it was for the most part scoffed off.

I've also made the observation that tc and qs are shall we say - close.  (self-escrowing by tomatocage (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4736673.0) aside) Nice to see other's are now sharing that thought.

HCP reported (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5151630.msg51376744#msg51376744) it.


http://archive.is/rog7J#selection-3231.0-3231.16

Projecting much? Perhaps you should look in a mirror.....

Here is the PM:
I am not sure how or why you believe him to be hacked based on that message. I know people in the above list to be several distinct people. Not only are they not TC alts, they are not alts of eachother.

Where are you quoting from?  From memory I only mentioned it, not posted the full PM.


A combination of things ^{1} - given that he was on DT1 yet was bugged by my previous post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4736673.msg51377441#msg51377441) which I took/take caused him to leave the forum an hour later.

*edit* Just recalled - I replied to the PM, but there was no response - just offline silence.

I had scrolled tc's entire post history (and archived it) and the Shits not cool, yo. didn't ring true.  No doubt you'll put a spin on anything I offer up here, but as of the second of June 2019 (https://web.archive.org/web/20190602161548/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=37522) that UID hadn't been online for the previous 395 days straight.  Coming online today would make it 400 days neat since the UID tc was last online.

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Yet you hadn't brought that information up at the time.

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^{1} There is/was a post/thread about my observations posted quite a while ago.  Why the interest now?

Man, somebody is in control of that account *edit: i.e., not the original owner* and has been for a long time.  My money has always been on Quickseller, though he's vehemently denied it.  It was Tomatocage and OgNasty who got me booted off DT in 2017(?) via their exclusions, which happened pretty close together if I recall correctly.  Someone on the anti-DT/anti-Lauda's gang team has control of the Tomatocage account, and I'm pretty sure of that.

But who knows.  Maybe it changed hands again.

What *has* got me wondering (not just how/why qs gave tc 1 merit today 20 minutes (https://web.archive.org/web/20190607034622/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5150640.msg51376457) after that UID came back on, but) how could PrimeNumber7 be consistently receiving merits (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=2561166) from the first day registered less than three months ago? IIRC tomatocage hasn't given any merits out before today.  *edit* confirmed https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Tomatocage

Are PN7's posts *that good*?

Suddenly you all care about default trust list collusion? Interesting.

There’s no way the original Tomatocage is in control of this account any more. Coming back after so long & posting a referral link is out of character.

Take precautions when interacting with the account.

No Red Paint ^TM on their trust wall to serve as a warning?

Done. Tomato shouldn't be anywhere near DT, so this is fine.

What a savior. What would we do without you?

Due to current activity of Tomatocage, I am bit agree with you. If in case account controlled by original owner let him sign a message from his/her address. Because his/her thread become most popular, so he/she should have control of his/her address. Since current activity of Tomatocage is suspicious enough, proof of ownership is appropriate IMO.

and here we are idiot Dt members are presuming that theres something wrong with that account,its like shooting ffirst before ask question what a moronic way of thinking.All of us can be inactive for too long and then wakeup,this account has a lot of integrity thats why these morons are going to ruined tomatocage's account.

Tomatocage and integrity in one sentence? We have quite the generation of naive kool-aid drinkers around here. :D

So you suggest waiting until someone gets scammed instead of warning them upfront?

I think I’ll leave neutral myself.

75 Years ago this week, over 350,000 allied troops, including many who parachuted in behind enemy lines, fearlessly started the invasion of Europe in order to save the world from tyranny and to defend freedom. The first waves of troops had thousands of casualties as they landed on the beeches of France, but they all continued fighting evil knowing they were risking their lives in the name of freedom.

Today, in 2019, LaudaM in the face of danger, Red Tags Tomatocage, protecting innocent forum users from the dangers of referral links that Tomatocage has used in his signature for years. LaudaM does not care about the dangers of doing this, he stands in the face of danger and tags without fear. LFC_Bitcoin, despite not having a clue what is true, decides to bravely agree with the dangers of referral links posted by Tomatocage.

After the dangerous mission is complete, LaudaM decides to move onto more important matters, looking for and finding Anne Frank. 

~Tomatocage is Distrusted by:
1. theymos (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=35) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=35) 211: -0 / +22) (DT1! (49) 4686 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/35.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-01_Sat_14.47h/35.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=theymos))


It does. They can:

• Counter Lauda's rating
• Include tomatocage
• Exclude Lauda
• Create sockpuppets to bitch about it

Is it just me, or does anybody else remember the last time tc "woke up" shortly after Zepher made a post mocking Ognasty and QS was quick to defend, then TC proceeded to exclude Zepher (and myself, even though I wasn't even DT2 at the time) from DT2 the next morning? Coincidence? Z was quite pissed about that, and I believe he left the forum for a while after that as he felt all his help/ratings for people had been negated and all for naught. ::)

@QS

You must be upset, another alt / bought account put in the waste bin. You must begin to wonder why you bother.

I really wonder how many accounts you control here, I mean buying & selling accounts / offering to buy & sell accounts is one of the first things you started doing when you came here, you can see that in your uber early posts.

You probably own half of the accounts in DT  ::)


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QS, you are a total con man.

Perhaps he saw how inappropriate it was for certain people to be anywhere near a position of authority or leadership. Or maybe he saw your extortion attempt...

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@LFC_Bitcoin - excellent detective work. You are officially the first person to discover I have traded forum accounts in the past. I was clearly wrong about you, as you very clearly always know exactly what you are talking about.

Thanks QS, it means a lot to know that you appreciate my presence here ;)

No, he just thought that you were an absolute cunt. Didn't you use an alt account to report him for not declaring the right value on physical bitcoins? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1775044.msg17881114#msg17881114)

     What baffles me is why theymos decided to take a chance on you and make you a merit source, given your history. (TBH it baffled me a little that he gave me a shot, initially.) I certainly hope he allocated a small introductory amount to you. Even if you are truly reformed, giving you source merit is about the same as giving a gambling addict full access to a source of money.

Agree, when I was a noob in 2014 - 2015 I looked at QS from the outside & thought he was a model pro here, a great asset to the community, busting scammers & generally having a very positive influence.

When you dig a little deeper you see a spiteful, dishonest, generally horrible human being.

I’m convinced there’s probably very untrustworthy things that he’s been part of. Time will tell, with the multiple alts he’s controlled / is controlling, added to account buying & selling he’s potentially made a fuck load of money here & has been part of many scams we don’t even know about.

LOL. You are something else! :D

I had no part in the "Extortion". I was simply on the slack at the time conversing with others - I really had no idea that was going to happen, and I didn't have anything to do with Lauda's action(s), so again, fuck off.

As stated many times before, yet you ignore it to suit your own fucked up weird ass agenda. Get back on the meds.

As for who is "Inappropriate" , it's not up to your fucking bullshit TC account. That was pure spite, as we all know you and OG hate anyone/make up bullshit about who criticizes either of you. ::)

Seeing how butthurt he is about being kicked out of a sig campaign I'd say he's more likely to be broke.

If he's really the owner of the Tomatocage account then bringing it back like this - to spam ref links - seems quite desperate.

Yes, just because someone made a fuck load of money doesn't necessarily mean that they are good at retaining a fuck load of money.
e.g.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo

I hadn't seen that yet. This change happened the week before March 9 (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-09_Sat_06.16h/37522.html), in which theymos stopped trusting and started distrusting Tomatocage.

Salty about your thread getting trashed? PM Lauda if you need tête-à-tête.

Just hit the ignore button. Don't waste your energy on cowards.

   Sometimes what these new troll accounts have to spew forth is so absurd that I can't help but belly laugh though. Perhaps this newest troll should stick to posting NSFW confessions. Perhaps not here, since they will end up in the trash can. However, the internet is full of forums where he can find a suitable audience for his material.

That is complete hogwash. Theymos has no reason not to trust me, and plenty of reasons to trust me. Further I have a long history of giving merit to very good posts that don’t otherwise have merit.

You should look up the definition of accomplice. If you are so confident that what you did was above board, I would suggest explaining very publicly what your exact involvement was ::)

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@NewAnon - You are upset that You think I called someone out for not paying taxes? If so you should let these people (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.0) know. Or are you upset that I didn’t try to extort anyone first? Not that I am saying you are right about anything.

I don't think I've seen you with so much vinegar in a long time. Why are you so upset that suchmoon is warning people about a highly trusted account that woke up after a long time and posted some random-ass referral link?

As to the warning, I would refer you to this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5151630.msg51382457#msg51382457) post. Referral links are quite literally harmless, and the only reason they are not allowed is because they encourage spam. There is nothing to warn about.

This is clearly a smear attempt by suchmoon to cover up how corrupt she and those she supports are compared to TC.

Do you control the Tomatocage account?

     I don't care how obedient a dog happens to be. If I leave a big fat steak unattended on the kitchen table in front of the dog, I should not be surprised if the steak comes up missing.  :D

I was a faucet farmer for like 3 years, I know what a referral link is. The potential issue isn't with the danger of a referral link, it's the random behavior.

Some high-ish profile dude wakes up after not logging in for months, resets his password and does something that is nothing similar to his previous behavior. If this was any other combination of members involved would your reaction still be 'eh its probably nothing, referral links are harmless anyway'?

I understand that TC was your bud a few years back, that doesn't change that without a signed message this is weird.

I feel like you might want to take off your sunglasses; not everything is as dark as you think.

TC has had a binance referral link in his signature for years. I don’t find it suspicious or unusual.

Suchmoon is not a good person in my view....she is power hungry, is willing to look past any transgressions if it supports her cause and is willing to condemn behavior of others that she has personally done if the person is against her.

A referral link in the signature is much different to ref spam on the forum. Ref spam on the forum is reminiscent of a newbie who hasn't been here very long and doesn't know the rules, not a long standing community veteran.

And that doesn't change the fact that this whole thing is a bit bizarre.

Suchmoon didn't accuse TC of anything. There were no accusations, no insults, nothing. All it did was highlight something potentially suspicious that has happened to someone who was - at one point - one of the most trusted members of the forum. For you to come barreling out the gates with insults just because you dislike the OP puts you on the same level as the sockpuppet trolls.

As much as I dislike you personally, I know you're better than that.

You're not saying I'm wrong either. I just pointed out why Zepher thought that you were an asshole (one of many reasons). There is no need into bringing up your 2+ year old topic nobody cares about anymore.

No, I'm not but at least I'm not a scammer or any of those things you're making up about me.

You seem to have overlooked this question:

This is what you people are reduced to now? Using the names of the dead to fight your little spats. You are pathetic.

He was the one who brought up the issue. He, among others is shameless.

Third time's a charm:

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I would like to ask everyone to remove or edit their posts referencing those who are no longer among us and can't speak for themselves. Let's not go there and stay on topic.

Owlcatz brought it up, not me. Zepher and I were pretty close friends and I'm pretty sure we wouldn't mind me voicing his opinion. I'll drop the subject if it bothers others.

Calling me shameless, coming from the mouth of a coward who hides behind alt accounts and makes up blantant lies about others. Just lol.

I find that claim quite suspicious given that binance was founded in July 2017, TC didn't have that link in his sig as of December 2017 (http://archive.is/PDFjM), and went offline in early 2018. So how many "years" is that?

At least 1.5 http://archive.is/PNG2P

The fact he has had a referral link in his signature for 1.5 years instead of “two” (or more) does not change the fact using a referral link is not unusual for him.

The use of a referral link isn't the issue, as I said previously.

"At least 1.5" would be on July 24 2019 or later. Anyway, it is still very unusual that the ref links were added right before the account went dark, then it woke up only to spam a new link and update the signature. Completely out of character compared to TC's YEARS of activity on Bitcointalk, no matter how you spin it.


I take your failure to answer a simple yes/no question 3 times as a "yes".

Your attempt to twist the situation is duly noted.

This is a smear campaign, and you are both well aware of this and are an active participant.

You mean 4 times.

Pleading the 5th (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution) LOL

I sent a PM to TC:

@Suchmoon: Tomatocage went offline on the 20th of September 2015 after I posted this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1183087.msg12461192#msg12461192) and has rarely come back online (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=37522;sa=showPosts) since.  I have been archiving those occasions via archive.is and web.archive.org

Whatever. I don't much understand why you're being like this, but I'll just leave you to it.

It's me. I just drop by from time to time :)

Base64 sig:

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Comment: Signed by Bitcoin Armory v0.93.3

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Bare sig (Bitcoin-QT compatible):
Address: 1FLnpvdXL6ooBpFj2LHqZxQsrxn2voj5uv (from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996318.msg10820715#msg10820715)
Message: Tomatocage June 10th, 2019
Signature: HAg+ZTakWF8zt6Q8PrdF2x+dVJpmXx2uuDuyMmZbj1zDAj1sAD4mfvPRudH/KgD2fKIKv1NkQO9B0T5lY5nIsx8=

Thanks. Verified ok.

I'm still puzzled by your affiliation with Quickseller but I can't really argue anymore after you signed the message.

Verified (http://brainwalletx.github.io/#verify?vrAddr=1FLnpvdXL6ooBpFj2LHqZxQsrxn2voj5uv&vrMsg=Tomatocage%20June%2010th%2C%202019&vrSig=HAg%2BZTakWF8zt6Q8PrdF2x%2BdVJpmXx2uuDuyMmZbj1zDAj1sAD4mfvPRudH%2FKgD2fKIKv1NkQO9B0T5lY5nIsx8%3D).
Although accounts have been sold including staked address.

Gotta make up for all those Tx fees somehow ;)

Edit: And I'm not associated with QS at all. He seemed pretty chill back in the day, but I haven't really kept up on the forums lately.

Theymos should be able to verify that this is the same IP I've always used, if you need an additional layer of assurance.

Great, do everyone a favour and go back to the place where you were all this time.

Your moms?

There was at least one episode where you "woke up" after a lengthy period of inactivity and excluded (in your trust list) a number of users who happened to be targets of Quickseller's attacks. That will probably keep raising doubts despite the signed message.

If you're now planning to stick around for a while you should review your trust list as it has a different impact (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.0) than it used to. If you're planning to go inactive again you should consider clearing the list out.

What probably happened was I logged in, saw that I had a zillion PMs, then went through them and responded accordingly. I did get quite a few PMs from various people advising me to add so-and-so to my Trust, or exclude someone from it. I didn't really feel like going back and doing months worth of research on the matter, so I probably just made the changes based on whether I liked the sender of the PM. That's why there may have been a bunch of changes on a certain date. Sorry, it's not quite as exciting as the theory of QS being in control of this acct :P

Anyway, that method of curating my Trust list isn't very scientific or objective, so I'll consider your last bit of advice. However, I'd have to weigh the consequences a bit more carefully before I do.

You did not really answer the question in RED above.

You specifically kicked well-trusted users off of DT1/DT2 based on QS's or OG's PM's, huh? :P

Why don't you ask that same question to LFC-Bitcoin ?

Do you have double standards when Lauda is doing it?

Well trusted according to who? You? Now you get to decide who everyone else should be trusting? While I might trust you to not rob me, I certainly wouldn't ever trust you to not be full of shit.

@Tomatocage, if you're still around can you edit your thread OP Stake your Bitcoin address here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996318.0 to include the following piece of code (or the whole quote)

[quote author=shorena link=topic=990345.msg10775516#msg10775516 date=1426375818]
If you write a post/PM it should look like on the picture below:
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/17/blob904adffe1d4aca22.png

and for everyone else reading, it looks like this:
[/quote]

which was originally posted in the How to sign a message?!  - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990345.0 thread please?  It'll save on a lot of extra posts asking people to sign their messages etc.

This topic is about TC. It has nothing to do with Lauda or LFC.

::)

...and just like that, TomatoCage is in poll position once again...

Tomatocage only needed to become active to qualify for DT1, he was already trusted by enough users.
But he's also excluded with a net result of DT1 (-5) (see dtview (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview)).