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Title: Artificial Inteligence + blockchain = deadly combination?
Post by: jushfln on June 20, 2019, 04:42:22 AM
The title says it all. As I see now many countries use blockchain with AI to get better privacy and security. Any thoughts?


Title: Re: Artificial Inteligence + blockchain = deadly combination?
Post by: CryptoBry on June 20, 2019, 04:55:33 AM

The combination of Artificial Intelligence and the blockchain technology can be the big game-changer in many industries and can influence and produce many new human innovations. Just like many believers, I am also excited for the potential of these technologies and though we should always be cautious with any man-made inventions, I am sure the benefits can outweigh any possible risks. Right now, AI is now being utilized in forex and cryptocurrency trading though nothing is perfect yet developments are pushing the evolution on these areas. Now, it would be good to discuss what are the possible "deadly" risks here...


Title: Re: Artificial Inteligence + blockchain = deadly combination?
Post by: Xeht on June 20, 2019, 05:09:05 AM
Knowledge is still the richest companies that create artificial intelligence and social networks, because there is a huge base with virtual portraits of users, their interests and needs. Combining them together we get a very powerful tool for achieving huge profits.


Title: Re: Artificial Inteligence + blockchain = deadly combination?
Post by: veleksandra on June 20, 2019, 05:11:28 AM
Knowledge is still the richest companies that create artificial intelligence and social networks, because there is a huge base with virtual portraits of users, their interests and needs. Combining them together we get a very powerful tool for achieving huge profits.
That is why many companies offer an advantage in the form of using the blockchain to protect confidential user information. This applies to social networks, and stock exchanges. Artificial intelligence can be a good system for controlling transactions between users or between exchanges. In general, it is cool when combining two progressive principles such as AI and blockchain.


Title: Re: Artificial Inteligence + blockchain = deadly combination?
Post by: dothebeats on June 20, 2019, 05:21:26 AM
I don't think that blockchain and AI would even be intertwined together knowing that the efforts engineers are pouring on perfecting AI tech is focused more on nonsense things (lol jk). Anyway, perhaps automation through AI can be helped by blockchain tech, but not in a detrimental way that Skynet-like scenarios could be activated. Perhaps a kill switch on AIs could be implemented by engineers if that's what you're worried about.


Title: Re: Artificial Inteligence + blockchain = deadly combination?
Post by: Berryvery394 on June 20, 2019, 05:31:29 AM
People work on self-learning machines, because they are able to analyze a large amount of data, then they create trading bots and sell them to us. I think it is always better to bet on your abilities. You can learn to trade on the taklimakan platform, if you attach a little time. Because the car is good for quick reaction to changes in the market, but there is nothing better than human experience and intuition to predict when it is better to catch the most successful moment of trading.


Title: Re: Artificial Inteligence + blockchain = deadly combination?
Post by: brakemelion on June 20, 2019, 05:42:37 AM
Blockchains are ideal for storing highly sensitive personal data, which, if properly processed, can reveal to us more value and convenience in our lives. Think about smart healthcare systems, a recommendation system in the stores or the movie industry. But companies that want to combine the blockchain and sophisticated intelligence must invest huge amounts of money in order to achieve that data security, as users expect.


Title: Re: Artificial Inteligence + blockchain = deadly combination?
Post by: marksandtoday on June 20, 2019, 05:49:02 AM
BlockChain and AI are the two emerging cornerstones of the digital era which are going to invade in each and every business and definitely they are winning combo.


Title: Re: Artificial Inteligence + blockchain = deadly combination?
Post by: localcrypto on June 20, 2019, 06:41:01 AM
Most of the projects which are coming in the market are AI and Blockchain both the technologies are futuristic we can expect more advanced features by integrating blockchain and AI


Title: Re: Artificial Inteligence + blockchain = deadly combination?
Post by: DdmrDdmr on June 20, 2019, 10:00:27 AM
I’ve taken a look at a couple of articles I’ve found, and really I still fail to miss the potentially big thing about combining the two, more than the current stand of AI processing information on large centralized or decentralised databases.

From the AIs perspective, Blockchain can be considered in essence as a database repository (non-  tamperable, distributed, and all we like), so AI can be applied to whatever information resides there, just as with any other DB repository. The context of application is derived from the nature of the information stored in the DBs or on the specific Blockchain. It looks like (evolving) business as usual, but including user case scenarios where the information resides on given Blockchain instead on more regular DBs. There are obvious applications, but due to where the data resides.

Some related articles which fail to provide, in my opinion, a reason to see this as a global breakthrough:
https://emerj.com/ai-sector-overviews/ai-in-blockchain/
https://thenextweb.com/hardfork/2019/02/05/blockchain-and-ai-could-be-a-perfect-match-heres-why/


Title: Re: Artificial Inteligence + blockchain = deadly combination?
Post by: yusupjatigumilar on June 20, 2019, 01:03:06 PM
Artificial intelligence has indeed developed a lot in almost all applications that we use every day, from social media to banking activities, but it is still considered imperfect because there is still a gap for someone to cheat by manipulating data so that incorrect data can considered valid. This can be prevented by combining artificial intelligence and blockchain where the data on the blockchain is guaranteed to be authentic without any manipulation because it is very unlikely that the blockchain can be manipulated.


Title: Re: Artificial Inteligence + blockchain = deadly combination?
Post by: JohnsonX on June 20, 2019, 09:29:05 PM
Artificial Intelligence is a broad term, so is blockchain. Is there something about them that we could talk about? Any projects to mention?


Title: Re: Artificial Inteligence + blockchain = deadly combination?
Post by: sandra_x on June 20, 2019, 09:32:54 PM
The combination is amazing, bitcoin is programmable money which can easily be integrated into existing technology. The combination is already being explored in a number of crypto projects


Title: Re: Artificial Inteligence + blockchain = deadly combination?
Post by: kryptqnick on June 20, 2019, 09:37:56 PM
Now, it would be good to discuss what are the possible "deadly" risks here...
The risks here are quite clear to me. If we use AI and blockchain for privacy, we are too much out of control. We get a decentralized system (so, not really regulated or controlled by humans), and AI supervising it. Now at least we have humans as 'supervisors'. And privacy is in the hands of individual users. If AI gets into privacy things, what can we do in case someone reprograms it, uses its weaknesses/features to steal all this valuable information or what if AI gains some sort of consciousness? It can take everything from us, and we won't be able to do something about it. I think it's just too risky to give so much responsibility to AI in our rapidly changing times.


Title: Re: Artificial Inteligence + blockchain = deadly combination?
Post by: livingfree on June 21, 2019, 12:42:04 AM
How can it be deadly? accept the fact that technology advances along with the innovation and there's no way to stop it. If companies sees AI and blockchain is a good combination, it will happen. They will invest to the technology to make their productivity better and faster.

Are you worried about the news circulated for years about AI will create job loss due to its automation?


Title: Re: Artificial Inteligence + blockchain = deadly combination?
Post by: samcrypto on June 21, 2019, 12:50:34 AM
The title says it all. As I see now many countries use blockchain with AI to get better privacy and security. Any thoughts?
It can be a deadly combination but not all people appreciate that technology because of the higher risk. A technolgoy like this needs more time, they are running good now but still have a problem when it comes to execution. AI technology is limited why Blockchaint technology can’t be totally controlled, especially a decentralized market so its a big risk for a company. There are some businesses who tried it, yet they still failed but hopefully more companies will also try and do better.


Title: Re: Artificial Inteligence + blockchain = deadly combination?
Post by: salty on June 21, 2019, 02:36:33 AM
What makes you think that blockchain + artificial intelligence is a deadly combination?I believe that these 2 technologies on the contrary will help to solve many mundane tasks which at the moment makes the man.The development of new technologies is a natural course of evolution of all mankind.


Title: Re: Artificial Inteligence + blockchain = deadly combination?
Post by: pooya87 on June 21, 2019, 02:46:35 AM
ok, in theory this sounds very cool but theoretically a lot of other things sound cool too. but when it comes to practice you see that things weren't even close to what you built in your head. for example the topic of Artificial intelligence and blockchain has been discussed many times before, specially in 2017 that the hype of "blockchain" was huge. but so far i have not seen any project that even tries to combine the two together. some claimed but were doing the same thing as any other altcoin.


Title: Re: Artificial Inteligence + blockchain = deadly combination?
Post by: Janation on June 21, 2019, 02:52:07 AM
It may be developed in time.

Privacy is not a problem with Bitcoin since we all know the anonymity of it. There are a lot of other more private cryptocurrencies but I don't think we should even compare that to Bitcoin. In terms of security,  I don't know how the AI will do it since we users are the one responsible for this and there are a lot of ways to make out BTCs secure.


Title: Re: Artificial Inteligence + blockchain = deadly combination?
Post by: CASTIEL05 on June 21, 2019, 08:23:31 AM
Technology has a boon or bane. But I think this idea is amazing. Integration of this two trends in technologies is a ground-breaking in their own rights, have the potential to become even more revolutionary when put together. Both serve to enhance the capabilities of the other, while also offering opportunities for better oversight and accountability.


Title: Re: Artificial Inteligence + blockchain = deadly combination?
Post by: partysaurus on June 21, 2019, 09:02:03 AM
The title says it all. As I see now many countries use blockchain with AI to get better privacy and security. Any thoughts?


think the whole ai thing can be abit dangerous in any field we use it in, we realy need to make sure we have total control of it, so it dont go around changing stuff without us knowing.


Title: Re: Artificial Inteligence + blockchain = deadly combination?
Post by: samputin on June 21, 2019, 09:18:12 AM
Sounds pretty cool. This will be a huge breakthrough for this generation. Lots of technologies are being developed so no doubt that this will also exist as years go by. Besides, people always seek for improvement, something that'll make things easier. However, every development must be put into good use, for the betterment of all hence it must be studied and analyzed very well before putting into application.


Title: Re: Artificial Inteligence + blockchain = deadly combination?
Post by: TheUltraElite on August 05, 2019, 07:20:21 AM
People think too much and this leads to such topics. To hell with AI, humans are the thing that is more important. I guess being a tinfoil hatter and locking yourself in front of your computer makes you think like that. Its about time you guys actually head outside and see how this world works and what state cryptocurrency is and how much development blockchain has actually done.

Technology advancement is something that cannot be stopped but it always done with different types of failsafes. Those who are working as data scientists and in engineering know that and thus "deadly" wont be the proper term to use.

Having your own psychotic delusion is something else but definitely the devs behind such projects if it were to happen would be ones with stable minds.


Title: Re: Artificial Inteligence + blockchain = deadly combination?
Post by: valentin68 on August 05, 2019, 10:19:05 AM
AI is at its beginning. There will be another 50 years from now for the artificial intelligence to be what it says (a robot that can be faster than a human).  

To have a robot that can work for me, to have a robot that can go to the market and buy food for me and make my dinner would be very good.

In my opinion, the artificial intelligence + blockchain will send the world in the next 100 years of progress.


Title: Re: Artificial Inteligence + blockchain = deadly combination?
Post by: jostorres on August 07, 2019, 03:55:07 PM
The title says it all. As I see now many countries use blockchain with AI to get better privacy and security. Any thoughts?
It sounds good to the ear, at least a lot of things will be much easier, you could just suit in your living room, and see a robot cook for you, you could sit in your room, and make transactions without the interference of third party, you could just sit in your room and get virtually everything done with little movement.

That sounds so nice right? But have you ever considered the effect on the human system, when you are not able to use your body for agile things any longer because technology seems to do everything for you. Have you also consider the effect of this on country’s employment rate? Lot of people would be fired because robot can do everything now. When we wish for these things, it has to be at minimal, and not completely take over.


Title: Re: Artificial Inteligence + blockchain = deadly combination?
Post by: thecryptogandalf on August 08, 2019, 04:47:48 PM
The title says it all. As I see now many countries use blockchain with AI to get better privacy and security. Any thoughts?
It sounds good to the ear, at least a lot of things will be much easier, you could just suit in your living room, and see a robot cook for you, you could sit in your room, and make transactions without the interference of third party, you could just sit in your room and get virtually everything done with little movement.

That sounds so nice right? But have you ever considered the effect on the human system, when you are not able to use your body for agile things any longer because technology seems to do everything for you. Have you also consider the effect of this on country’s employment rate? Lot of people would be fired because robot can do everything now. When we wish for these things, it has to be at minimal, and not completely take over.

You are right about that but I think it is all about ethics of using AI. If people will attach strictly to the ethics, I dont see any harm. Other thing is, Change is not a constant thing and there were always people lost or missed many things every new thing is happened. For example, when industrial evolution happened there were a lot of people who are replaced by machines. What I am saying is, it is sad but inevitable at the same time. I think people should stop resisting it and adopting the AI before it is too late.

From the point of blockchain and AI, I think AI and encryption work very well together and blockchain can be managed by AI better than humans. There is also fact of the enhancement of security. Combining this two can be evolutionary because both of them empowers each others` capabilities. Crypto trade made by AI is a massive change because it can bring the opportunity of rational trading to the traders. We know that speculation and manipulations can be easily implemented in the market because of the nature of human psychology and behaviours which is unfair for the market I think.


Title: Re: Artificial Inteligence + blockchain = deadly combination?
Post by: TheUltraElite on August 13, 2019, 09:42:03 AM
That is true. Attificial intelligence has endless possibilities and in combination with different sophisticated technologies it could really change the world we know it.
No. The world will remain as it is. What will change is how people use technology and what technology does to the world. Majority of things will remain same because at the back there is always a human coding the AI. Hence the power struggle hence the struggle to the monopoly of multi-national companies.

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However, there are so many ethical and legal questions become if it's not used in right way it could have bad consequences instead of good ones. Anyway, this is the area we still need to work hard on.
I dont think blockchain is ever going to merge with AI for anything good. People make such claims are either imagining things too much which is common or they are just trying to make a point.

Either way it is will not happen now neither will it happen during out lifetime. So not something to worry about.


Title: Re: Artificial Inteligence + blockchain = deadly combination?
Post by: amishmanish on August 13, 2019, 01:44:02 PM
I’ve taken a look at a couple of articles I’ve found, and really I still fail to miss the potentially big thing about combining the two, more than the current stand of AI processing information on large centralized or decentralised databases.

From the AIs perspective, Blockchain can be considered in essence as a database repository (non-  tamperable, distributed, and all we like), so AI can be applied to whatever information resides there, just as with any other DB repository. The context of application is derived from the nature of the information stored in the DBs or on the specific Blockchain. It looks like (evolving) business as usual, but including user case scenarios where the information resides on given Blockchain instead on more regular DBs. There are obvious applications, but due to where the data resides.

Some related articles which fail to provide, in my opinion, a reason to see this as a global breakthrough:
https://emerj.com/ai-sector-overviews/ai-in-blockchain/
https://thenextweb.com/hardfork/2019/02/05/blockchain-and-ai-could-be-a-perfect-match-heres-why/

This does sound fantastical but the one possible use of blockchain could be the way ML models get their data. I read something of this sort just today on Lightning Dev Alex Bosworth's twitter.

https://twitter.com/alexbosworth/status/1160936346833174528 (https://twitter.com/alexbosworth/status/1160936346833174528)

He talks about training Human fascimile models. The concept of Human fascimile model looks similar to the "Digital Twin" model for machinery and equipment. You need large amount of data regarding choices humans make in order to train your model. The more data you have, better the model would be.
Though he only talks about paying people using Lightning for this job, yet, i feel the tweet also points towards using the obvious database of bitcoin transactions that consists of a humungous number of choices of what is being spent where.

The tweet is pretty cryptic and hard to understand. No doubt it received such less attention. Yet, Its an interesting line of thought the way i could interpret.


Title: Re: Artificial Inteligence + blockchain = deadly combination?
Post by: jake zyrus on August 14, 2019, 03:48:47 PM
If you're pertaining about "deadly" is something bad or negative, I don't think so. Both AI and Blockchain are great development and innovation for modern era which can really be helpful to human lives. The possibility that it could be deadly is when it is used for something bad. Never a development's purpose is to bring negativity to people but with the wrong use and greediness of people, it could bring a big negative impact to people.