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Iran shot down a U.S. drone today according to reuters https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-iran-usa/iran-shoots-down-u-s-military-drone-in-gulf-region-idUSKCN1TL07P

Surely U.S. will respond Militarily what do you think?

I don't think so. May or may not have been over Iranian airspace.

I'm just offended that it costed $187 million.


https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/iran-us-drone-shot-down-latest-intl/index.html

That's.... a nonsensical amount of money. It should be able to dodge missiles for that price. Hell, it should be invisible.

Iran shot a SPY DRONE of the US which was there to?

To do what?

SPY on them.

What the fuck were they supposed to do? Let the drone run as if it didn't exist?

Perhaps the drone was bait to justify a war?

Maybe but maybe they just try to keep an eye on Iran. Not sure it will be a casus belli, Trump declared he would wage war if American people are hurt, a drone is unmanned so it doesn't fit.

Maybe it was just classical spying.

187 Million USD for one drone is just outrageous. I tought that 70-100 million USD per one new F-35 fighter is a lot, but the drones are costing 2 times that.

Speaking about the response, I doubt that US will respond with a strike, they would risk huge military escalations.

Trump just tweeted (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1141711064305983488?s=20) that Iran made a big mistake.

I would presume the US military is going to respond. The US cannot let its enemy do what can only be described as an act of war and us not respond. If we do nothing, these types of attacks will continue and will possibly escalate.

Respond with missles and air strikes. No boots on the ground

Ok I thought he wasn't as stupid as that.

Seems that Trump, Hillary, Obama... It's all the same. Just fat useless bitches waging war for big industries to make money on weapons and oil.

You do understand that your "ennemy" simply dared shooting a drone that you flew over their country right?

How can you prevent such "attacks" from continuing I wonder...

MAYBE BY NOT FLYING A FUCKING DRONE OVER THEIR COUNTRY??


Edit: If US is even slightly honest here, they would have no problem bringing the case to UN. That's what Iran officials asked! No war but the investigation by UN.

We clearly have one country small, in a defensive position, accepting the investigation of UN, and one warmongering bully in an offensive stance, trying to directly declare war.

Who's the bad guy?

The US position is that it was flying in international airspace.

I trust the US government more than the largest state sponsor of terrorism (Iran government).

This would be most idea, so that few American lives are at risk. However even air strikes risk retaliation by Iran against military bases we have in the region. I believe we have military bases in both the UAE and Saudi Arabia, plus we have military assets in the ocean nearby.

FYI, you sound like a Fox News brainwashed nutter.  :D

First off, there is ZERO chance that US engages in a military conflict with Iran over this or any other incident.


That's not how the world works sweetheart.  ::)


oh honey  :-\

The US will probably send a drone in response

LOL that "largest state sponsor of terrorism" line was completely made up by the US.  I can easily think of 3 larger state sponsors of terrorism off the top of my head. 

The problem with this logic is that Iran is not ISIS, Afghanistan, or Iraq. They have advanced mobile weapons systems which they are adept at hiding. In order to secure the Hormuz Strait as a safe shipping lane, this NECESSITATES boots on the ground to acheive the task. Any air strikes will have limited and temporary effectiveness towards this goal.

We thought Iraqs army was going to do more too look what happened to it. I think Iran is a paper tiger

It's the expense that is propagating the fiat Ponzi of the banking industry. When borrowing/spending money stops, the banking Ponzi will collapse. Until then, we of the wealthier nations will have relative peace.

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The defense department released video of the downing it was over the ocean not over Iran. I think Trump needs to hit them hard.

Surely they would use a satellite for something like that, or just put a drone further back. The US navy should have a zoom function surely?

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It'll probably get the response that Turkey got from Russia when they invaded their airspace and shot them down (I don't think much happened to Turkey and Russia should've expected that) ...



I don't understand the idea of going into a war from one or two incidents especially since America have been aggrovating things themselves. If trump hadn't decided to fight a trade battle with the rest of the world we wouldn't be in as much mess now...

Iran declared war shooting down a U.S. plane 20 miles out from their shore

International waters are 50 miles out. They're under Iranian jurisdiction and attempting to spy on them. The US were the first to declare war by going into their airspace...

you're wrong 12 miles is the lands jurisdiction The drone crashed 20 miles out.  The straight of Hormuz is only 24 miles wide..

It's still close enough to be considered spying. I doubt it was stationarily hovering either...

Iran has been long since a scourge on the world the sand fleas should be dealt with.

Specifically?

how many instances you need? Do you remember the hostages back in the 80's held for over a year? How about Irans wanting to destroy Israel and the U.S. need more?

If the drone had it's transponder on, the track is easily available.  If it had the transponder off, it was up to no good and a threat which should not be tolerated.

The nation who was flying a drone without a transponder should be assumed to be in the wrong unless it is proven otherwise by independent third parties.

Interestingly, Iran is taking full credit even when Trump made a feeble attempt to downplay it.  Looks like Iran is sending out a message that they may have some capabilities which are not understood fully by their adversaries.  From what I hear, the U.S. has been keeping most of their ships safely OUT of the Persian Gulf as though they have a suspicion that they may be lost.

Are Russia and China paper tigers? They will get involved if there is an invasion.

It's a bit late to react to something from the 80s. That's almost 40 years ago...

I don't think obliterating a country is the best way to resolve anything... We could get rid of all wars tomorrow if we just obliterate the world...

Russia is too broke to be a major war. China is fed by the U.S. dollar neither will get involved.. They might bitch a littlle but not a shot fired.

It shows a negative pattern of a country that is unwilling to adapt to something more than a ruthless regime.

You should have told that to Obama when he reacted to the events between the US and Iran in the 1980s just a couple years ago.

And he reacted wrongly. Way, way wrongly.




Says who? You?

Use of transponders is not that simply explained.

Says anyone who cares about the safety of people using the airspace.  That's what transponders are for.  What kinds of activities would one be doing with their transponders turned off?  How long would a transponder-less spy craft be permitted to buzz around over the U.S. before it was neutralized (assuming it wasn't part of a self-inflicted false-flag operation like 9/11?)

Some people we know in that region are totally cool with switching off their transponders and hiding behind U.S. aircraft, Russian aircraft, and general civilian aircraft in order to get into position to launch an attack.  Some people consider that to be a cowardly tactic which puts innocent lives at risk while the perps seem to feel that it is a demonstration of their superior intellect.  They think, I guess, that nobody else would be 'smart' enough to think of such a thing.

 This is supposed to be one the most advanced aircraft on the planet and Iran shot it down at 61,000 feet.  They have capabilities up to 81,000 feet.  This proves they can shoot down F-35 we just spent 1.5 trillion developing.  

Turns out the US spending is mostly just going to fill contractors pockets.  They do things all the time like charge 1 million for a 50,000 dollar part.  Could turn out that our adversaries capabilities have already matched ours with a fraction of the spending.  It would be poetic justice to see the US get smacked out of the Persian gulf region.  

Of course the other possibility is that the US wanted it to get shot down. 

This is a spy plane, trying to spy on a hostile foreign nation. Of course the plane had its transponder off and of course it was up to no good. Spy planes/drones, well spy. if it was broadcasting its location, Iran would have been tipped off they were being watched, and their radio signals possibly intercepted, and would have the opportunity to try to impose countermeasures against being spied on.

A plane flying over international waters without a transponder on is not a threat and is free to fly under international law. Shooting down a plane traveling in international airspace is an act of war; this is true if the plane had its transponder on or off.

If the U.S. gets even partially chased out of the Middle East, it's the end of the US Dollar.  That means the end of life as we here in the U.S. know it.  Big changes everywhere in the world, but since we live more high on the hog, it will be totally life-changing for us.

I suspect that almost everyone all over the world is chaffing under the insult of being forced to support the U.S. via 'we' having the world reserve currency.  (Actually a set of unknown private bankers have it, but it's got U.S. written on the paper.)  I doubt that there will be very many tears shed almost anywhere if we went down.  Certainly I would expect very near zero support if we don't have either a stick to threaten people with or some goodies to buy people off with.  After a war with Iran we could well end up with neither.

Thank God we have held on to our guns.  Certain segments of our populations could, potentially, preserve some core values and a survivable quality of life since they could preserve law and order autonomously.

The whole point of a transponder is it allows identification of an aircraft, so by default any aircraft without an active transponder is a potential threat regardless of the airspace it occupies.

The bottom line here is it was an UAV designed solely for the purpose of surveillance which was shot down with no loss of human life. It's the equivalent to someone flying a drone with a camera over/near your property and filming you while you shoot it down with your shotgun.

Iran is being attacked mercilessly by aircraft flying without transponders and is under direct threat of imminent attack of their soil.  Nobody even really denies that planning for an attack was the mission of this aircraft which was being operated by a belligerent as part of a military operation.

Under these conditions, and especially under sanctions which are by some legal definitions an act of war in and of themselves, I would say that Iran had every right to shoot down the aircraft even if it were in international airspace, but I doubt that it was.  What the U.S. says about it's location has zero value with me since they have proven time and time again to be chronic liars, and I suspect that Iran would probably only have fired at it if it were over their airspace.

It would be totally cool with me if Iran could take down satellites too and totally drive the U.S. military back to the U.S. territory where it belongs.  I'll bet that even if scum like the Zio-cuck Saudi monarchy love them some sheckles, the rest of the 99.5 percent of their nation's souls are don't and would happily bum rush the main source of grief in the Middle East and solve the problem.  Egypt same.  Turkey same.  After they take care of certain business at the top of their own countries first of course.

Edit:  I should add that I don't want to see ^^^ happen.  Mainly because these 'chosen people' would swarm over to my country and start demanding reparations from me, and our political leadership would gladly give them anything they demand.  And more!  I'm strongly in favor of a 'homeland' for the 'Jewish people' who are into that apartheid sort of thing...and one which is as far as possible away from me.  I'm just saying that I could see it working out that way.

The first thing that I thought about the way it was presented in the headlines here is if it's true or if it was a false flag. Because really, what does Iran gain by shooting down a US drone?

Some of these things never makes sense which makes one wonder.

The Iran government had admitted to shooting down the drone...

the iranian islamists regime is openly hostile against the monarchy in saudi arabia,

i personaly can't estimate these "governments" since i am no middle east expert, continous threats of the west because of their nuclear programs are getting mad.

financial soverignty is today still defined by geographically exclusive banking cartels

That is ridiculous. Any US military aircraft is a threat to Iran, because the US and Iran are enemies.

Planes can do what they wish in international airspace. Unless the aircraft is provoking another aircraft, creating the need for it to be defended, it is unacceptable to attack the aircraft under freedom of navigation laws.

 

Iran’s action will prove fatal for them in the long run as they’re openly asking for a war, but for now USA is not going to respond. It has been claimed that Trump ordered a military strike on Iran, but cancelled it before it could be executed. Trump is playing mind games with Iran, and instead of striking now he’ll let this situation calm down and then attack Iran.

Link: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/06/trump-approved-strikes-iran-abruptly-canceled-report-190621042657387.html

Depends on where it was, what class of airspace it was it, and what altitude.

No, your assumptions regarding purpose, intent, and typical usage of transponders are all wrong.

Government owned aircraft are not bound by regulations covering manned aircraft.

Second, regulations concerning transponder use is changing, with ADS-B being required by year end, and regulations regarding UAV have been in a constant state of change for twenty years.

Third, your assumptions regarding Mal-intent being a reasonable assumption if a transponder was off is nonsense.

Fourth, the obvious use of high altitude surveillance in that area is to observe and record any more ship attacks, such as the recent unprovoked attack on the oil tankers. Apparently Iran does not want that. Of course, they can't stop it, and after this we'll likely double down on observation.

Seems to me that in a place where mystery people attack oil tankers, some eyes in the sky are definitely in everyone's interest.

Oh, wait. Iran doesn't want those eyes in the sky, do they.

As for who's territory the drone landed in, it looks like Iran possesses a lionshare of the drone wreckage of this one.  That (and basic logic) adds credibility to the story that the drone had crossed into Iranian territory when the IRG popped it.

Of course it is possible that the drone either drifted into Iran's territory as it fell to earth, or that it was retrieved by Iran from international waters, but the fact is that Iran has quite a collection of U.S. (developed) drones which almost certainly were invading their territory and paid the price.  They are fairly proud of their collection so it seems.

The U.S. will always claim that the drone was attacked in 'international airspace' and drifted into Iran from the North Pole or whatever.  It's 'how they roll.'  As a result, their declarations about locations of this and that are almost totally valueless.  The sad thing is that a healthy percent of the American peeps will believe anything reported on mainstream TV.  Oh well.

from the looks of it they have a recycled car not a drone.

As a US citizen, I really don't care whether it was in their airspace or international, and I doubt anyone does. It's clear what surveillance equipment is doing in that area, and why it's needed and useful.

Nobody's starting a war over a drone.

That's what happens to a piece of kit which gets nailed by an SAM.  That's how it works.

Thankfully the Iranians choose not to pop the Poseidon with 30 crew-members.  As an American I do appreciate the IRG's restraint.

It's really not the fault of those American troops that Sheldon Adelson paid $100M to get Zionists running our military and the dudes sent up over Iran were not in charge of the mission.  Maybe some of them will resent being used as live bait by the Zio-cons to get the Iran war started and will be more and more inclined to turn whistle-blower.

What exactly are you saying is ridiculous? The use of transponders to identify aircraft? Or when an aircraft has no transponder it is a potential threat?

Contrary to your belief, aircraft can not do whatever they want in international airspace; read up on what the International Civil Aviation Organization does.

It is obvious who is behind the attacks on the oil tankers. Iran wants the world to know they are behind the attacks, while denying them strongly enough so other countries will not be willing to take military action because of the attacks.

Iran knows Trump does not want to go to war with Iran, avoiding pointless wars was part of Trumps platform that got him elected. I believe Iran was hoping to show the world they can attack the US without consequence, so they can show the world they can also attack civilian ships of other countries without consequence in order to persuade other countries to evade US sanctions against Iran.

Yes thats true i think . Iran shutdown the dron of USA. Who said it's impossible?

It's only impossible if the US wants to make it impossible.

next chernobyl disaster will be in iran....

Shit happens.

I think the question to ask is if USA has the right to fly a drone over Iranian territory. Besides, its only a drone that was dropped by Iran, in 80s America shut down an Iranian aircraft with 190 people or so on board.


I think Trump should trend with caution, already, Arabs are flooding every European country in the name of migrant because of problem created by past American president. Those immigrant will cause more problem in the future than what we are currently facing worldwide. So, president Trump should not add more migrant to already on ground.

Quite a few passenger aircraft have been downed by trigger happy, over aggressive nations' military forces.

I guess this was a test.
The US just wanted to know how good was Iran to protect its territory from air raids.
Now, they know.

Civilian aircraft, in addition to being good shields to launch stand-off attacks against Damascus, also make great false-flag targets for nations who are into that sort of thing.  e.g., ones who 'by way of deception, shall do war.'

It was actually kind of impressive that the Iranians were able to identify the Poseidon and the drone and pick off the drone only.  And right inside of their airspace.  If the Iranian story is true at least.  I'll bet that it is, and I'll bet that that is the main reason why Trump called off the attack.  They probably had plenty of proof.

The FAA has ordered US flag civilian aircraft to stay away from the area this happened. International airlines have given pilots directions to do the same.

Frankly, Iran has every reason to lie about the location of the drone, and the US has much more to lose in terms of credibility, as do US officials who are saying they have seen evidence the drone was in international waters.

It is illogical to believe the Iran government, over the US by default.

Iran seems to be playing the 'tell the truth' hand.  Only possible because their adversaries are compulsive liars.  I'm struggling to remember one thing that the Iranians have demonstrably lied about.  I'm sure that the Iranians would happily lie out their asses if the shoe were on the other foot, but it doesn't seem to be that way at present.

The Zioncon controlled US organs seem to lie about stuff just for the shear joy lying since they do it even when they don't need to.  It's weird, and an understanding of Talmudic and Kabbahlistic philosophy ('creating worlds by speaking Hebrew') only partially explains it.

Anyway, 'our' leaders in American political circles have been talking about using false flags and deceptions to get the Iran war going for a long time.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhqLaYBtvXA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhqLaYBtvXA)

Both pro-war and those of us on the anti-war side have been expecting it.

Ssssssssuuuuuuurrrrrreeeeee....

There is conflicting information over where the drone was, as US forces are saying that it was in international waters and that it can't be shot down - while Iran is stating that it was over their airspace.

Either way, I don't see the upside of using aggression on the biggest military in the world.

One of many reports:

  https://www.unz.com/video/sayedhasan_christmas-strike-against-syria-israel-hides-behind-civilian/ (https://www.unz.com/video/sayedhasan_christmas-strike-against-syria-israel-hides-behind-civilian/)

When an information source is blocked by Jewtube these days I consider it to be a marker of credibility.  Anyway, nobody who is paying attention to things would doubt that the Israeli's would be happy to use such tactics...and celebrate their own genius believing that nobody else is smart enough to think of such a thing.

Fact is, a 6-year-old could easily think of such a tactic.  Other's don't normally do such thing not because they couldn't dream it up but rather because of a different set of ethics.  It is what it is.  Sadly for the Zionists, most humans are sort of hard wired to have certain ethics and will find their tactics to be inherently repulsive once they learn of them.

Eventually there will be an event which makes most 'goyim' be forced to learn about these actions/activities.  The Zionists seem to be trying the 'dig faster' strategy to avoid the hole they are in.  Time will tell if it will work or not.  Both logic and various scripture indicate that it won't.  We'll see.

I really really hope this turns out at least somewhat fine...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-25/new-us-sanctions-mean-path-diplomacy-forever-closed-iran-warns

This is increasingly sounding as if Iran desperately wants war...

At this moment, angry at Trump Next Reaction ?

This act is very dangerous for the global peace.
I think that Iran did the best by shooting the drone. US drones are mostly used for spying or bombing so they did the right to protect their country. The US should stop abusing Iran if they want stability in the region.

You are a reliable spigot of standard Zionist propaganda.  Most of your stuff is Muslim....radical....Islamic....terrorists...blah, blah, blah.  Same thing we see all over the mainstream media and from the ZOG.

For a little while longer we have the first amendment in the U.S. and I can say what I think.  If it makes sense to people, or corresponds with some of their observations, so be it.  When (((you people))) do destroy our constitution and replace it with your Sanhedrin or whatever utopian fantasy you are working toward, which may not be very far away, most people will hear your spiel non-stop and nothing else.

Actually it's already the case that your baloney is the only side that most people hear, but it will be evermore challenging to get a different side of the story.  Thankfully people do value that which is most difficult to obtain.  That's human nature.  I'm planning on having some popcorn handy to watch your trying to fight that phenomenon.

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In other news, looks more and more like ZOG (Pompeo, Bolton, etc) lied about the airspace in which the drone was popped.  Exactly as I expected.  Also, of course, the Zionist owned mainstream media parroted the lie.  You see, with a vague understanding of how this stuff works these kinds of predictions are not difficult at all.

Washington no longer has any credibility. When I heard about the mining of the Syrian pipelines, I immediately thought that it was Washington or one of its agents. Interestingly, they don't seem to have accused Iran of doing this.

That has been possible because Iran has done that already. USA government should treat the current issues with Iran carefully in other for this not to lead into a third world war. If Iran can summon the courage to do this they should know that it might not be games as usual.

Nonsense. Everyone knows shooting a drone down isn't a prelude to war.

Also everyone knows we/they/everyone could use some eyes in the sky in a area where some Mystery Party is bombing oil tankers.

Hmm I think that this drone has his nose inside the Iranian airspace and sniffing around, so they punch him to this nose hard. I do not think that this is a big mistake. Every single state will do it the same...  No one likes spyes...
USA will act the same if someone enter their airspace and sniffing around...

This is not the first time that a US drone is taken down by the Iranian military, if my memory serves me right. But I guess this is too shallow a reason for the US to start a military offensive on Iran. That is going to be a rush decision which will only worsen the already delicate situation over the gulf. A back-channel diplomatic negotiation is much preferred.