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Afternoon all,

Apologies if this is a duplicate, I was looking around for a Wimbledon thread but only found the general Tennis discussion ones so far.

Wimbledon is just around the corner, and we've just published an article from Tennis expert and trader Dan Weston (tennisratings.co.uk (http://www.tennisratings.co.uk/)) with his breakdown of the data surrounding court conditions, estimated odds, value bets, etc.

You can check out the blog here (https://www.cloudbet.com/en/blog/previews/14060-wimbledon-2019-odds-free-tennis-betting-tips?utm_source=bitcointalk&utm_medium=community&utm_campaign=0619-bitcointalk-post&utm_content=blog-wimbledon-2019).

The most interesting part for me was the look at current ATP top 10 players; and which exhibited the best grass court records across the last 24 months:

https://i.imgur.com/40UOaUc.png (https://www.cloudbet.com/en/blog/previews/14060-wimbledon-2019-odds-free-tennis-betting-tips?utm_source=bitcointalk&utm_medium=community&utm_campaign=0619-bitcointalk-post&utm_content=blog-wimbledon-2019)

(Based on this I put a cheeky little bet on Cillic as an outsider @ 18.0 (https://www.cloudbet.com/en/sports/tennis/atp-wimbledon-winner/o1201405?utm_source=bitcointalk&utm_medium=community&utm_campaign=0619-bitcointalk-post&utm_content=sportsbook-wimbledon)  ;))

Who do you think will take the Championship Trophy and Venus Rosewater Dish this year?

Oh wow, Wimbledon is around the corner? I am so much busy with cricket that I almost forgot about this. Thanks for creating this topic. I will be a regular here as tennis is another sport I enjoy a lot.

Jesus, Federer is still going? Surely he's gotta be close to 40 now?

Looking through the top 10, seems like practically all of the top Tennis players are in their thirties now, strange compared to other sports like boxing, sprint and soccer where players peak in the late 20s.

That being said, Djokovic is a beast, my money is on him.

I may consider placing an outright for Djokovic to win the title and also to reach the final. For cricket world cup, I have Australia to win the world cup and also to reach the final and still I am going well :-P

I had another outright bet in IPL too. CSK to reach final and I had it but unfortunately I lost CSK to in IPL trophy.

So, considering the record I hope I will do well for Djokovic to win the title and Djokovic to reach the final.

Grass has always been favorable to the big guys with big serves given how fast the surface is. Cilic and Raonic will be a problem to potential winners like Roger, Rafa, and Novak.


You got to give it to the way he plays.

Has Andy Murray retired already? He used to be a favorite in this tournament.

I am rooting for Djokovic here. Among the top three, he has the most complete tools to win. Younger than Federer and more skillful than Nadal. 

Good stats.. Interesting to see some low ranked and new players displaying a good stats like F. Lopez. Kinda makes me rooting for underdogs against good players who are struggling with injuries.

I will be rooting for Nadal to win. That guy is coming back from injuries so I really hope he win this time.

Thanks for opening this topic and the stats.
I am a fan of Federer, so my money is on him. He may be 37, but heis still playing on a very high level (he won another tournament last week). Grass is his favorite underground and I am confident that in a good day he can win from Djokovic and Nadal!

Federer is 37 years young to be exact.

It's because there's no young prospect to come out and test those old veterans that's why Nadal, Federer and Djoker is still in the top 10. If Murray didn't get injured last year, I'm sure he is still in the hunt for the top stop in tennis.

As far as Wimbledon, I still go with Roger here, he has the momentum going after winning the Halle Tournament last week.

Nadal expertise in clay, so I don't think that his chances are very high in Wimbledon. Yes he is coming back from injuries as well, however he just won his record 12th French Open title, solidifying his case as the greatest clay court player in the open era.

Very interesting stats. Grass is very specific surface, very different from clay or hard surface. No surprise that Djokovic is favorite there.
I will also root for Nadal, but he isn't doing very well on grass, he is clay master.
He announced about retirement after Australian Open because he struggled with injuries. But he returned after recovery few weeks ago and played in few doubles tournaments. Probably his ATP rating currently is too low to qualify to the Wimbledon.

Wimbledon is coming and it’s good to see the excitement here, it’s worth mentioning that cloudbet has given Nadal second rank, and in official rankings he’s ranked third which is bad. Djokovic is everyone’s favourite and rightly so because he’s a beast when he plays on grass and I wouldn’t be surprised if he won again. Then I’m expecting Federer and Nadal to reach the semifinal’s atleast, but they won’t be winning the title.

Roger Federer is coming off from a win in Halle, so I think he will be the a good favourite to win Wimbledon again. Novak Djokovic losses this far is from the clay surface, final lost to Nadal at Italian Open and semi-finals to Dominic Thiem in French Open.

So if I'm going to bet, I will go with Roger today, while my long shot would be Stefanos Tsitsipas.


No, Andy Murray is still playing but not in singles yet. He just came from a brutal injury (hip surgery) and he is trying to get back. He the doubles in Queen's Club together with Feliciano Lopez, who eventually won the singles also. That's why his name is on the list as well.

So no one is tipping Cilic or Raonic? I'd love to see one of them really pushing the top 3 seeds in the latter stages, and either one *should* be able to beat Nadal on grass on a good day.


@Kemarit - That's an interesting pick to be fair. He beat Federer this year in Italy and reached the final in Madrid after beating Nadal, but both of those are on Clay and I'm not sure he'll be able to compete with all the serve-and-volley play at Wimbledon.

@Juggy777 - Great spot, I'll pass that on to our tennis tipster!


On another note there's a bunch of changes to Wimbledon (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/48746954) this year that could effect the betting odds, the biggest of which is probably the covered court one, and the rule changes to avoid so-called 'marathon matches'.

The covered court can really open things up in terms of the odds, as the conditions (or lack thereof) can completely change the run of the game. It's actually a real shame Murray isn't competing as his record for indoor matches is pretty impressive.  

The changes to the rules to introduce a tie-break in the final set is also a game-changer, it should actually give 'less skilled' players more of a chance (with a little help from lady luck)  

We have a great blog about the role of luck in betting (https://www.cloudbet.com/en/blog/betting-strategy/13704-what-is-the-role-of-luck-in-betting?utm_source=bitcointalk&utm_medium=community&utm_campaign=0619-bitcointalk-post&utm_content=blog-luck-in-betting) that delves into tennis majors specifically. It's proven that the influence of skill on the outcome of a match match will increase as the number of repetitions increase, so on the other side of that coin, the role of luck will increase with the number of points being lowered.

My money is on federed hard to bet against federer on grass, and the level of play even as he gets older is still top 3 without a doubt and that is realy hard to believe :D

I think Rafael Nadal is the strongest in a dust court but I don't think is one strong player in grass court although I am not a regular follower of tennis and maybe I have confused things.Federer is a great player and both with Nadal have been number ones in the tennis rankings.I think that Djokovic is the actual number one so it will be a great tournament to watch for the tennis fans.

Wimbledon is ultimately going to be a Djokovic vs Federer tournament as Andy Murray is not playing the singles. They have been the kings of Grass court. And Old Federer is still healthy and fit to compete with Djokovic. Though I'd love to see any new hero coming up to take the trophy.

Interesting draw for the men's singles - Federer and Nadal were both drawn in the same half, meaning that they will not meet in the final and Djokovic will have a slightly easier route through (his odds have dropped slightly as a response to 2.25).

Nadal has arguably the more difficult draw, with a second-round clash against Nick Kyrgios (assuming he breezes past Sugita in the first round). There's also a potential fourth round clash against Cilic to look forward to.

I'm now leaning towards a Djokovic v Federer final, but I'll still be keeping my fingers crossed for Cilic  ;)

Novak Djokovic is THE KING and it will be a big surprise if he doesn't win this year's Wimbledon.
I used to be big tennis fan years ago,but the domination of only three big players,kinda made this game boring for me.I really want some of the younger players like Dimitrov and Andersen to make the difference  and achieve success in this tournament.

Djokovic has to be the favourite but he’s getting older, aw is Nadal & Fed. Maybe it’s time for a younger, less favoured player to break through and take the Championship this year?

And assuming the Nick Kyrgios mental health is in place, lol. I think the complexion of the game has change since Federer and Nadal are in the same half. Let's hope we see them in clash one for time and Roger being the grass court specialist win to set a finals with with Djokovic for an epic match.

Although I am rooting for him to win the tournament, I would not discount the fact that anyone with a big serve can beat him.It's a really fast surface.


I remember Djokovic saying some years ago something like he was born in the wrong era because it was tough to compete with Roger and Rafa. Kudos to him and his team for elevating his game after that interview. These youngster should follow his lead and not wait for the big three to get older and older before they can win.

I know, my tennis mates is giving me that kind of look when I told them that Tsitsipas should be a good player if he decided to concentrate on grass court, he has the built and the physically to be one of the best when Roger Federer retires. But it seems that he is focusing more on Clay, I guess he wanted to follow Nadal.


The problem with young and upcoming tennis prospect is that they succumb to the pressure of big tournaments. That's why even though that the top 3 players are getting older, there's no one who can take their place eventhough we have a lot of young players in the field.

Advances in health and training has allowed athletes to stay at a top level longer than ever.  Nadal, Federer, and Djokovic have been dominant for such a long time, I would like to see some more parity.  Seems like it is always those 3 winning majors.

Doubt Nadal will win, he is a master on clay but not so much on grass.

I can't understand such credits for Nick Kyrgios. the only thing he has is the big serve and any player with good technique will beat him.

Kyrgios has a very good technique but just doesn't have a great mind/temperament

This first round already gave some surprises! Osaka, Zverev and Tsitsipas are out!

Venus Williams really does look a shadow of her former self. At 39 though, it’s not a surprise is it. Unfortunately age creeps up on all of us & we can’t do what we could do in our mid 20’s :D

The girl she lost to is 15, that is pretty incredible to be honest. At 15 I was probably in my bedroom jerking into a sock. I certainly wasn’t beating a multiple Grand Slam winner at anything :D

She was born in 2004, that's 10 at least 10 years after Venus first turned professional!  :o

I'm looking forward to the Tiafoe v Fognini match today, the young American has a really interesting background and reached his first Grand Slam Quaterfinal at the Auzzie Open this year (he was knocked out by Nadal).

Fognini also tends to get his big wins on clay courts too, so I'm giving Tiafoe the win today:

🎾Winner: Tiafoe (1.70)
🎾Total games: Under 40 (2.02) (https://www.cloudbet.com/en/sports/tennis/tiafoe-frances-v-fognini-fabio/e1656232?utm_source=bitcointalk&utm_medium=community&utm_campaign=0719-bitcointalk-post&utm_content=sportsbook-wimbledon-tia-fog)

What other games will people be watching?

Kyrgios is usually entertaining to see, you can take side bets on whether he'll lose his cool and storm off!  ;D

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Any suggestions for making the most of the free bet? Jordan Thompson could be a good shout against Kyrgios.

One way or another, women very quickly fail compared to men.  Above 30 years a man in sports is already a pensioner, then with a woman this situation is aggravated even more.

Venus Williams was already on the way back a long time ago, but congrats to Gauff! I hope she can show again her talent in the next round.

Women are not as robust as men, so it is obvious that they will not be as good at high endurance or high output sports, particularly when they get older.

When it comes to Tennis, the best woman would get absolutely destroyed by the best man, Serena williams has even said it herself. Men are just stronger and faster, that's how sexual dimorphism works.

We're good at hitting things hard, including eachother, and terrible at emotions and raising a family.

You can't really compare the two divisions. There are much worst number 1 in women's side in the last 10 years or so. While men maintain their competitiveness like Federer, Nadal and Djokovic, the womens side are very erratic and unpredictable. Just last week if I'm not mistaken, we have a new number 1 on women, Ash Barty of Australia.

Fognini vs Tiafoe is a good call, it was a 5 setter match, in which Fognini came from 1 set down to win the match.

Kyrgios fought very hard as well against Thompson in another 5 setter. Kyrgios vs Nadal next so this will be good.

While Thiem was upset by Sam Querrey. Federer wins but needed an extra set against Harris.

Looking forward to Kyrgios playing Nadal today, watching those two battle it out is always entertaining given their ongoing feud.

Here's some background to add a little bit of extra flavour to the match  ;)


Back in 2014 Kyrgios (as a wildcard) beat Nadal at Wimbledon to became the first top 100 outsider to beat a world No.1 at a tennis Grand Slam in almost 22 years!  :o

In terms of their head-to-head play they have faced each other a total of 6 times since then, with 3 wins each. Nadal's wins tend to come on his preferred Clay surface though.

Nadal seemed to be pretty pissed at Kyrgios after the 'disrespectful' loss in Mexico this year, where the Auzzie served underarm on a couple of occasions to rile up his opponent.

They have played around 16 sets against each other over the years, with Kyrgios winning all 5 of the ones going to tiebreaks - could it be he has the stronger mental game?


Was going to keep it simple with the bets today, but given their history I'm thinking this one could go all the way to five sets  :)

🎾 Kyrgios to win a set: Yes (1.48)
🎾 Total Number of Sets: 5 (3.61)
🎾 Correct set score: Kyrgios 2:3 Nadal (5.31) (https://www.cloudbet.com/en/sports/tennis/kyrgios-nick-v-nadal-rafael/e1660405?utm_source=bitcointalk&utm_medium=community&utm_campaign=0719-bitcointalk-post&utm_content=sportsbook-wimbledon-kry-nad)

I am really looking forward for Kyrgios to atleast win a set to make my bet win. So far Nadal is going strong but Kyrgios is also capable to upset pros. And on top of that Kyrgios also had a win registered against Nadal in previous game so kinda hoping he gives him a competition afterall.

Nadal is using his experience against Kyrgios and so far he seems to be dominating the game, but suddenly Kyrgios has stunned Nadal by winning the second set, and congratulations to you for winning your bet. I feel this game has suddenly opened up, and Nadal will have to play his best game if he wishes to win this match. How many of you’ll feel that there can an upset in the form of Kyrgios, can he go on to beat Nadal so early in this tournament?.

Well I think Nadal should come out of this match but so far Kyrgios is giving a very good competition.
Plus it's hilarious to watch how pissed Kyrgios has gotten inside the game. I think after the 1st set loss Kyrgios has upped his game with his aces and cheeky plays. Nadal needs to pump up his game as well now to blow the bad-boy out of the tournament.

It was a shitty match as I never expected Venus Williams to perform like that, I was expecting her experience could be more than enough to win her match, but I have lost more bets on her in the past two years and I made a decision on not to bet on her ever again as whenever I bet her to win she lose the match 0-2. ;D

Fortunately, there is no drama whatsoever as Nadal beat Kyrgios. Although it took him 4 sets to take the win and some under arm serve, which elicit a smile from Nadal. Well there's is rumour though that he try to intentionally hit Nadal, but that was it. So he is out and Nadal has the last laugh.

We got the result now and Djokovic really did well on all of his match. I’m surprised with the result of women’s single and the first time title holder Simona Halep made a lot of impact on the court. This season is great, a very intense game hope to see more on the next tournament.  

Yes but the match was really tight!

Djokovic   7   1   7   4   13
Federer    6   6   6   6   12

Serena Williams is getting old...  ::)

I'm also surprised that Halep won that much but being romanian I'm very happy for her and hope she can now continue playing at the same level and get back to world nr. 1. I also really wanted Fed to win the final but it looks like Djokovic was stronger mentally to resist the pressure and he deserved winning it.