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Court Documents(Source (https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoincashSV/comments/c8rr8y/latest_court_document_david_kleiman_received_11m/))

- https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.237.1.pdf

- https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.237.9.pdf

- https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.237.17.pdf

​- https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.237.22.pdf

​- https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.222.0_2.pdf

​- https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.237.18.pdf

​- https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.237.19.pdf


Sale Plan by 2020 Block Halving(Source (https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoincashSV/comments/btc9oq/this_is_long_term_csw/))

https://i.imgur.com/6X6Q1kd.png

Should this be true, this only proves that CSW is not Satoshi, even if he was able to sell those coins simply because he's a dick and only cares about money and not the real vision of what bitcoin stands for. At this point, there are a lot of things he has said that doesn't match what he previously stated, so I still doubt the validity and truthfulness of what he says is to come for bitcoin. Not unless it really happens for real this time, though I still heavily doubt it. Perhaps this is yet another case of fear-mongering or he is just outright losing his mind trying to play the long game for him to not get jailed.

If it so happens that he actually will soon gain control over more than a million BTC, let him sell. Sure, the price will likely drop by a lot, but I only see that as a buy opportunity. Bitcoin will rise back up as quickly as it dropped. In the long term, it's nothing but a small blip on the price charts.

If he has the control of the address where more than 1M Bitcoin is on that address and he can sell it then I will believe that he is Satoshi.

We know that Satoshi is holding more than 1m Bitcoin in his address. Now if he really is satoshi then he must continue what he is planning and that is to sell it. SELL IT YOU FUCKING STUPID IDIOT!!!!!

Take it easy, mate!

On the contrary, if he is the real Satoshi, he would not even be entertaining the thought of selling it. I have a strong feeling that Satoshi was not cocky, very much unlike this Craig Wright. I don't think Satoshi would just let his creation crumble to the ground just to prove his real identity. Satoshi was a genius, not a moron.

This was posted one month ago?
Is it going to be done by surprise?
Will it be done before or after the halving?
What is "10x leveraged short"?
What is "UTXO congestion"?

Read the reports. He doesn't have the bitcoins, yet(assuming he will end up gaining access to it). If he already has access, it's likely that he probably would've sold a good chunk already for USD(and probably buy BSV).

It is a deliberate attempt to bring down bitcoin's price so that people start buying BSV. When you can't make your own coin famous in presence of the king coin, you simply try to destroy him so that your own reputation and power increases to control the rest of the mass (miners)!! In my country, it's called "Chanakya Neeti". He is playing big games to demoralize the entire community! Shame on you CSW!

This:

it's a month ago and this:

JUN 28, 2019

Bloomberg: Craig Wright Does Not Have Access to Bitcoin Fortune (https://cointelegraph.com/news/bloomberg-craig-wright-does-not-have-access-to-bitcoin-fortune)


Is of last week

When they were fighting a war between BSV and the current BCH, faketoshi did not stop making threats on twitter saying that he would sell many bitcoins and that the price would fall a lot, today the price is $ 11500. The guy really needs treatment in the psychologist.

The first document says that there's around 1m BTC in a trust and that it will be turned over to CSW on Jan. 1, 2020. Did this change or was debunked at any point?

Either way, I feel like his master plan is too optimistic. I don't doubt that dropping 1m coins in the market would impact prices negatively, but (correct me if I'm wrong) prices tanking has never really impacted the hashrate significantly enough to even remotely emulate his predicted scenario. He's also going to be hurting himself financially in the process, as this is no guarantee that Bitcoin SV will take off.

why are you reviving a 7 month old trolling attempt?

this was purely done to manipulate bitcoin price and crash the price below the very strong buy support of the time at $6k and short it while the crash happened. CSW has a lot of bitcoin but they are all bought recently and mostly through the BCash BSV fiasco where they created money out of thin air and used it to buy more bitcoin so they needed cheaper prices. he has nowhere near 1.1 m though.
there is no "court document" showing anything either. don't fool yourself ;)

This is just another joke from an official joker named as Craig Wright and we should not believe everything he is saying. In the first place, why would you telegraph your punches to the whole world not unless this is just a threat which carry no value. anyway, if he has the control of those coins then of course he has all the right in this world to sell them...so be it. I am sure the market as it is now on the upswing can easily absorb that much bitcoin and then we can partly get rid of this man.

However, we should always remember that this certified fakestoshi is contributing a lot of entertainment value on the world of cryptocurrency and on that regard we might give him a trophy as the Best Comedian Actor on this industry. And I am sure many will be agreeing with me on this. Let the man entertain us for as long as he wants.

CSW IS NOT SATOSHI!
/thread

From what i understand CSW does not have those coins in his arsenal and he even said that in the court and i am not sure how can he sell millions of coins in the market that he does not have  ??? .  Lets see what they say about the Tulip trust they are talking about and how they have secured the coins makes it impossible for anyone to retrieve the coins and if it is a true story they have used Fiat- Shamir Identification Protocol and three people have those details and if they combine they could unlock the coins, but one of the person who is said to be the holder Dave Kleiman is already dead, so there is no way anyone could sell any coins.

END STORY: No one can sell anything that they do not have any control  :P.

You know, what must happen now is for CSW to make a statement like John McAfee and promise us that he would eat his dick, if something like this does not happen. He is making these wild announcements and statements without any repercussions and that makes him dangerous.

The courts must deal with him and get rid of him, because he is a nuisance and there are gullible people out there that fall for his nonsense. We know he is full of sh@#$, so we ignore his rubbish statements, but it takes time to counter and repair the damage that statements like this does to the people that fall for this.  >:(

I'm not taking him seriously. Each word that he says, I don't care and I don't feel that he really has it. But this could be a buying signal as he brings fear to the bitcoin community.

Exactly as what I'm thinking. He's trying to force people to sell so that he can buy more and halving is coming so basically it has a price impact. He doesn't want people to ride the boat if that happens so, he throws them away to his useless altcoin.

Claims or plans made by CSW should be treated as those made by children playing cops and robbers.

If anyone is terrified by the potential sale of 1m BTC by CSW you should really be scared cause I also plan to sell 10 million BTC.
Fortunately for everybody, I don't have those coins either  ;D ;D ;D



I don't understand it either.
I was expecting the OP to be a btcsv shill but it turns out that he actually didn't believe CSW had any coins..a few days weeks ago 1 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5144781.0) 2 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5144781.msg51123887#msg51123887)

So, maybe he's just trolling also?

Another scare tactics from him . I don't even believe he got so many BTC :) He should be carefull what he is typing there , did he put in his tax declaration that he hold so many btc ? I bet not lol :)

Old news from time when Faketoshi is only trying to convince people that he have power to throw bitcoin on knees and declare his shitcoin as only real bitcoin. But we know today that his life is made up of lies and deception, and that if he have 1 million of bitcoin they would be dumped back in 2017 when price was $20k.

All these nonsense coming from Faketoshi CW are getting pretty boring, he is not Satoshi Nakamoto he does not have 1.1 million BTC in his pocket. He's so brilliant scientist that he forgot how important is to backup private keys, so he can not prove anything.

Good point. A guy like that should not own a significant amount of BTC and use it for manipulations. It's better to suffer once and become free from him. And it's not just a buy opportunity, but also a decentralization opportunity. One guy sells a lot of BTC, many people buy it and now there isn't a guy that can make the prices drop significantly. I do hope he doesn't have that much or won't be able to sell that much in a short period of time. It's just too significant, and can indeed be a cause of another bearish market. Who knows how much time Bitcoin will need before we see another recovery.

And Kleiman wasn't Satoshi either, because if he was, someone would find some evidence already, but no one did. I don't follow the drama too closely, but from what I understand, CSW now claims that he and Kleiman were Satoshi together, and that 1 million coins is now held by some trust, which is laughable, because the real Satoshi would never do such a stupid thing as to entrust his coins to someone else- Bitcoin was created to be your own bank.

It's really shame how these people act, they want to have reputation but at the same time act like a trolls but they are it in reality. Then all hate comes on bitcoin, this coin achieved something that they can't ever achieve and for this reason they hate it and create shit altcoins, then do bad propaganda against bitcoin but as always, they fail and fail. I think no one gives a shit what they think or say, to my mind their posts must be automatically considered as a spam by social networks :D

Trusts exist for a reason. Ask the queen of England, she will tell you that she owns some dirty underwear and thats it, everything else is in a trust.

What was the point of creating Bitcoin, then? If you read the whitepaper, the point was to eliminate trusted intermediaries and custodians like trusts. Wright's convoluted excuses contradict the whole premise.

He trusts mathematics. It seems as if the trustee is Bitcoin itself as no person knows or hold address, keys to be able to access coins.
Using trusted intermediaries to sent coins is another issue.

btw  2 trusts exist with a total of 1.9 Million to able to use/sell if David followed protocol
Trust I 1.1 M
Trust II 0.8 M
Al the trust is with David. 
The court case is all about what percentage was Davids share, if any at all.
The real Bum in the whole thing is Davids brother Ira, never visited his dying brother in hospital or at home, initially voluntary forfeited the inheritance and has disposed of  Davids computer equipment. Only after Craig contacted Davids father at told him to hold on to the Computer equipment as its valuable (to late, Ira already dumped it) greedy Ira now things he is entitled to 10 Billion even so he has absolutely nothing to do with Bitcoin.

Are those the same documents from 2011 or 2012 that was later exposed as fake, because the font that was used was not invented until 2015?

This guy doesn’t know when to stop does he :D
He’s been asked to sign a message from an early address (holding many coins) to prove that he is Satoshi & he can’t. He makes up a load of crap excuses as to why he can’t.

If he can’t sign a message to prove he has access to 1 million BTC then how is he going to send them to an exchange to sell them?

The guy is a total fraudster ;D

Craight is a really funny person, let's say even he wouldn't access to any bitcoins and old accounts on forums. He could ask to confirm his identity as Satoshi thanks to many PMs with Gavin, Theymos, Sirius from the early stage, but he never did it, why? because he can'T. Moreover, his plan to overload BTC network is the dumbest idea, instead of letting people sell their BTC in panic and really damage the whole ecosystem, he would do a giveaway for those who would put buy limits on few bucks...do it mate, I'm waiting :)

How was that really 'exposed' ? Did you see proper forensics ?

Nope - just folled the herd   ::)

Why would he? All this negative publicity makes him even more of a cult leader amongst mentally challenged individuals, and there are quite a few of them.

He's clearly playing a long term game here. He doesn't mind going back and forth for plenty of more years without providing evidence (which he obviously doesn't have). The longer he can do the same thing, the more popularity he will gain because people will continue talking about him, news outlets will continue to report about him, etc.

Also don't forget that CoinGeek's propaganda machine is running too, so there is no shortage of publicity. Mr F. Toshi is clearly not going to stop. :D

Craig is definitely not the Satoshi Nakamoto but do know who Satoshi is. His claims now and not being able to prove his claims and accusation, it suggest he knows the real satoshi won't come to testify against him. So, the real satoshi could be Dave Kleiman, he was real close to Wright and is dead in 2013.

Craig wasn't even around in early years to even interact over the internet with the anonymous "account" called satoshi let alone know the identity of the person in real life. not to mention that he is a nobody and there is no reason for him to even know it since he wasn't even aware of bitcoin before he began scamming people.

Calm down. He don't have the private key to any of those wallets. Satoshi's wallets contain 980,000 BTC and Craig S Wright doesn't have the private key to move these coins to exchanges. This is just a scare tactic from him, to lower the exchange rate of BTC and to prop up his own shitcoin (Bitcoin SV). We should not fall in to this trap by purchasing BSV.

According to his story, he doesn't control his own bitcoins. He trusted that other people would cooperate with him to recover his bitcoins. No back-ups or contingency plans. Just flat out trust.


This whole case is smoke and mirrors. I don't think it has anything to do with the Satoshi coins.

See the news:

https://s3.cointelegraph.com/storage/uploads/view/831f426aff19616961527e3c5f1bd17a.png


Source: https://cointelegraph.com/news/craig-wright-uses-falsified-docs-to-prove-innocence-in-kleiman-case

Faketshi will eventually be unmasked as a big fake. He is a shame for the crypto world. for a guy who claims to be satoshi he's reveals to be a guy with serious mental problems

I think this is another FUD from CSW, he talks and brags too much, an honorable person doesn't behave this way. If it happens that he actually has such a volume of bitcoin which I doubt, we will gladly buy for a cheap price.

How you expect to get 10 Billion dollars from someone who does not have them? He gets sued.
Why would you even go to court, just to waste time?
Has everyone become brain dead.

This is just another sorry attempt to manipulate the market, if they are really hold 1 million btc they should be able to prove it, and if they do why are they selling it they know that selling right now will decrease the value so they will be losing instead of gaining because they won't be able to sell it all at once, i think that with the halving getting close people have been trying to buy as much bitcoin as they can in order to make profit when it takes place, and this lead to the price skyrocketing, so i think that they are saying this in order to make people believe that there will be a huge supply coming so they would stop buying and lead to a price drop, so they can then buy at a lower price than it is today.

CSW is going to court because he wants his name in the headlines. He's so far lost in his own lie that there's nothing left to do but continue. Ever been drunk and played dare with friends? Half way through when you're doing the dare you realize this is stupid but you can't go back and let them know you've failed so you keep on going.

CSW is poorer than you think. I hope he loses the case against Kleiman and they prove he's a thief.

BSV's price benefits greatly from the endorsement of "Satoshi" even if Wright is later debunked. By all appearances, he's just using this drama as a ploy to temporarily create value out of thin air. It's a "pump and dump" so he and his associates can dump their BSV on naive investors.

No, the font has been invented since 2007 but what we saw in the document that CSW presented that was supposedly in 2011 was a font that was upgraded in 2015. So obviously, he was again exposed by that simply but cannot be altered proof. Unless he time travel or something,  ;D, but you get my point.

Ira doesn't care if CW has or has not 1Mil BTC. He just wants to get the asset whatever belonged to David back.
It was CW who claimed that he and David owned 1Mil BTC so that's where Ira coming from to sue CW.
I believe Ira wanted to settle with CW but CW didn't agree with that.

OK, we are talking about the same court documents. I first saw it from a lawyer's tweet, https://twitter.com/stephendpalley/status/1146522818949144577

hv_, are you actually trying to defend Craig Wright? You can start telling everyone how good "Satoshi" is in hiding his real identity. He is actually having it proven in court that he's not "Satoshi". Hahahaha!

I just recommend anyone to do proper research and not listen to biggest noise and hobby tweeters

E.g. find the full transcript of the hearing/ questionary. It s out.

If that happens, then there will be a problem where the price of bitcoin will drop dramatically, and that's where the rush to buy it. It's his right if he wants to sell all the bitcoins he has.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5147618.msg51229651#msg51229651

Can you please elaborate a little more on this? Are not trusts liable to any taxation? Can any person or family create their own trust and have full control on the money/asset held under that trust?

No you can not have full control, you have to hand over full control to the trust or trusts. Conventional trusts are not free but a lot cheaper than taxes. Every circumstance is different.
Foundations is another way like Bill Gates (Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation). If he wants to be charitable he can just some millions to any charity he would not need a foundation which then send millions to a charity of his choosing.
IKEA (very complex setup as it also prevents a hostile take over) or Ethereum are also not for profit foundations (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091927.0).

Simple manipulation. There are some doubts about this post. Miners will go from BTC only in case if BTC price won't increase. But after history, btc price increases after halving.

Mining is profitable even if the price is low , so is trading , if they actually plan on selling such a huge amount why are they telling everyone ?
People will tend to sell and which will drop the price thus they will actually loose a certain amount of money , therefore what I think is they are not trying to do whatever they have stated.
Even if they are thinking of doing it , it's not straight to the point .
They simply plan on manipulating the market and they do not seem to care for general people in the market itself .
Don't get alarmed guys , we will recover even if something like this happens.

Did you read it? Care to share what it said, and update the topic? Thanks. It's better than being passive-aggressive.


::) Only BitcoinCash SV people would like that.

How much price deep is really possible for 1m BTC sell? Last I checked, Binance alone processes 0.1m+ BTC per day.

Price drop to $1k per BTC  ::)

FUD. ::)

What the anti-Bitcoin people don't understand is, the failure of Bitcoin will be the failure of ALL cryptocurrencies. But what they believe is, Bitcoin's failure should be guaranteed, for their shitcoins to takeover. No.

Nope.. FUD can't take Bitcoin to that level. No matter how much Craig Wright try to scare away users from Bitcoin, no one will seriously take him unless he is able to prove the ownership of the coins that were mined in 2009. And in case some miracle happens and he is able to do so, even then Bitcoin may not crash to those levels. By now, Bitcoin has grown larger than Satoshi Nakamoto.

Is there any legal protection against being cheated by trustees? What if the trust mishandle the assets under its stewardship?

Scared? Let him sell. Price will go down a bit, other people will take the chance and buy it all back. You people should know better how markets work, especially with bitcoin. It isn't easy to manipulate as the other little altcoins out there.

Potential trading profit if you catch it...

So many trolls are just created  by fear

https://mobile.twitter.com/berengerdcl/status/1148302543568683014

But they cannot fix

I saw more trolling from BSV people. Remember BSV fans - Bitcoin is always the king.
If somehow Bitcoin fails, BSV and all other alts will fail.

Lol - do u want to predict future like Netscape guys did ?

 ;D

After a sharp rise during June, BSV is once again losing its value. During the past 2-3 weeks, the coin has lost more than 40% of its value against Bitcoin. And the mining difficulty for BSV also shows a corresponding drop. That explains why the BSV promoters such as Craig Wright are resorting to desperate measures to keep the coin afloat.

Bad comparison. Plus you don't want Bitcoin to fail. Its failure will be the failure of all cryptocurrencies. If you believe that Bitcoin's failure will make BitcoinCash SV take its place, then you need to reasses your thought-process.

I was forced to re-asses when segshit was forced - so I'm fine

With Netscape =  BlocksTreamCoin it works fine

 ;D

If such lot bitcoins comes to market,sure market will get shock.Bitcoin prize will goes down.But that happen only he sell those short period of days.If he sell those smoothly market will hold these support lines for long time.Journey to moon will continue.We do not know how he is going to do that.Lets watch..

So those documents being presented on court reffered by OP are exactly those considered forged ones denied by CSW in this link?

https://decrypt.co/7768/forged-documents-and-multi-billion-dollar-fortunes-craig-wright-faces-tough-questions-in-court

Indeed, it looks like such. He is kinda screwed, if this is the documentation he has to prove his case, IMHO.

they always come out here and become super active when their altcoin has been dumped a lot and they were trying to start the pumping operation to recover some of their money and empty the newbies' pockets one more time.

What a retarded fucking plan.  The last part is the best.  I'll sum it up : we'll manipulate the market and create orders with intent to manipulate the price for profit (this is illegal in the USA) - But since we're saying it on twitter in advance its all good and legal, right guys ? right?  Fuck no.  

So the question is why ?  Well because he has no intention of actually doing any of that, and is just sputting bullshit to attempt to manipulate prices.  maybe hes doing a social experiment xD maybe hes retarded, maybe no one cares what he does...

I guess you are making mistake to compare Netscape which is a tool to Bitcoin which is a revolutionary currency or a new type of Store-of-Value, which is primarily based on consensus.
It seems to me it is more appropriate to compare Netscape or other legacy tools with BSV - considering BSV people wants their chain to become the new "Internet".
Tools always got beaten by newer tools, so does BSV.
It is going to be very difficult to build consensus for a new asset class such as Bitcoin as a new form of Store-of-Value, but once it is built, it is almost impossible for it to be replaced by other similar things such as Alts/BSV.
I think we are not going to convince you, it is fine with us for you to keep your "true" Bitcoin - BSV.

I think he meant he is going to sell BSV not BTC by the next BSV block reward halving. So I guess sell your BSV for the next 314 days, and if you want to be a dumb ass again, buy back in after the dips. Knowing him he will dump earlier because he has to pay lawyers. XD So dump before he dumps.


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Can this guy go away already and let btc be! it is really kinda annoying how he manage to get the attention of many with his petty threat, how the hell any sane person would consider this human parrot to be Satoshi? Stupidity at the highest level,
Hope there will be cure to this plague soon.

Well this is definitely one of the possibilities. He can later claim that BSV is the real Bitcoin. And I think he has already sold a part of his BSV holdings. The trade volumes of BSV has remained quite high, although the exchange rate has fallen by at least 40% during the last four weeks. He might have either converted to USD or BTC.

Nothing is build yet - and nothing is forever.

smtp / tcp ip and voip are here cause of simple, stable and needed at purpose.

Bitcoin is not adopted yet (BTC : only very dark & nichy) - and SoV is not it's first purpose, but P2P eCash and onchain TXs for all 'we'.  Maybe 'we' teach u that ;)
 
BTW: Bitcoin does not Need a ticker. But for first 'bootstrapping' speculation it was needed.

Stupidity at the highest level, it is, calling someone with a truck load of Academic Degrees and IQ of 179, stupid.
Craig Wright has 17 degrees and he's getting two more PhDs right now, simultaneously, while working a full-time job.

Dr. Weight holds the following industry certificatins, GSE CISSP, CISA, CISM,CCE, GCFA, GLEG, GREM and GSPA.
He has numerous degrees in various fields including a Master's degree in Statistics, and a Master's  Degree in Law specialising in Internatinal Commercial Law. Craig is working on his second doctorate, a PhD on the Quantification of Information System Risk.

He holds almost 1000 patents.

https://nchain.com/app/uploads/2017/12/Craig-Wright-Academic-Degrees-Certificates_2017.pdf
https://www.giac.org/certified-professional/craig-wright/107335
https://digital-forensics.sans.org/blog/2009/04/24/code-skills-make-better-forensic-analysts

Who cares? What is that supposed to prove?

It doesn't prove that he's Satoshi, or that the "Tulip Trust" exists. You are just doing a bunch of hand-waving to distract from the utter lack of evidence in his favor.

Is that all you can reply? The problem with the forkers is they don't put in the work to make their network speak for their own technical merits. They have to play their politics, and invent conspiracies to validate the existence of their fork.

That'll do.  I've not the time to convince u  ;)

Then I'm honestly very disappointed. I was expecting more from "smart" people like you, and I was hoping for a hard lecture for the stupid, like, me to make me look more stupid.

But sometimes showing weakness is truly from weakness.

You can believe the herd - or do ur own Research - reality checks and (self-)  reflections.

The smart do the latter - but I cannot do that for you .

As someone in contact with Satoshi, let me not only tell you Craig is not Satoshi, but that he is a manipulative liar, a con, and has nowhere near a million bitcoin. He merely wants to violate US and international law by using his status to crash bitcoin's price..probably so he can buy in deeper!

A reality check? Hahaha.

That's very ironic for you to be telling everyone. It's like a flat-earther telling a normal person to do his/her own research. 8)

What is the current status of the court case? Does anyone know?

They bought some time.

You got it wrong ........

CSW got maybe 1.1 mil BSV's  ;)

you know the ones that are riding this road

https://i.imgur.com/8tuYZJK.gif

And we are indeed, already experienced all these kind of manipulation in the market. So as today, more and more threats like these will keep on spreading but what we should consider is our disposition and knowledge to not be affected at the same time prepared whenever a hug e fall down occurs. Well, just continue accumulating bitcoins as this might take effect only for a short period of time.

Much time has passed. What is the current status?