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Title: Is Erdogan Dangerous for Global Peace? Post by: Naida_BR on July 04, 2019, 05:03:31 PM Turkey has already agreed to get a Russian missle system s400.
Europe and the US are against this deal because Erdogan violate's NATO rules, but he doesn't seem that he is willing to cancel the deal. On top of that, he demands from the US to provide him the F-35 airforce planes that was agreed. I think that he is a dangerous guy that he just wants to get everything without giving something back. Do you think that he is a dangerous guy for global peace? Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48617664 Title: Re: Is Erdogan Dangerous for Global Peace? Post by: btcforthewin on July 08, 2019, 08:58:31 PM completely and totally agree with you!
He is very dangerous and people can not overstate it! NATO state working with Russian military is just unacceptable. This just shows what he is all about, he is power hungry guy with dictation in mind , he has no friends in free countries so he is turning to people with the same ideas - Putin. But what are the option for other countries? The best they can do is not to give Turkey information and new technology. Title: Re: Is Erdogan Dangerous for Global Peace? Post by: Nwokocha on July 10, 2019, 09:27:33 AM To answer this question the personality of Erdogan has to be put to question. Personally i think he is quite proud and has no concern for other countries other than Russia. During his visit to Bosnia, his security detail totally had no respect for local authorities and acted like they were in their own country which is quite condescending. I think a leader who is an advocate for global peace should be diplomatic and humble.
Title: Re: Is Erdogan Dangerous for Global Peace? Post by: KingScorpio on July 10, 2019, 12:43:47 PM Turkey has already agreed to get a Russian missle system s400. Europe and the US are against this deal because Erdogan violate's NATO rules, but he doesn't seem that he is willing to cancel the deal. On top of that, he demands from the US to provide him the F-35 airforce planes that was agreed. I think that he is a dangerous guy that he just wants to get everything without giving something back. Do you think that he is a dangerous guy for global peace? Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48617664 what do you mean with "europe"? Title: Re: Is Erdogan Dangerous for Global Peace? Post by: Naida_BR on July 10, 2019, 04:08:42 PM Turkey has already agreed to get a Russian missle system s400. Europe and the US are against this deal because Erdogan violate's NATO rules, but he doesn't seem that he is willing to cancel the deal. On top of that, he demands from the US to provide him the F-35 airforce planes that was agreed. I think that he is a dangerous guy that he just wants to get everything without giving something back. Do you think that he is a dangerous guy for global peace? Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48617664 what do you mean with "europe"? Apparently, the European Union... Title: Re: Is Erdogan Dangerous for Global Peace? Post by: haseeb ahmed on July 11, 2019, 02:24:19 PM Endogan is just try to fortify their defence system. World is stopping buyer from buying but no one is criticising producers. If we want peace in world we have to treat every nation every religion and every human being equally
Title: Re: Is Erdogan Dangerous for Global Peace? Post by: Naida_BR on July 11, 2019, 02:33:43 PM Endogan is just try to fortify their defence system. World is stopping buyer from buying but no one is criticising producers. If we want peace in world we have to treat every nation every religion and every human being equally I agree with the equality part. But what makes you think that Erdogan buys this arms for his country's defense system? It doesn't seem to me that this is the case. Don't forget that he has also invaded Syria in order to kill Kurds. Title: Re: Is Erdogan Dangerous for Global Peace? Post by: Naida_BR on July 11, 2019, 03:08:03 PM If we want peace in world we have to treat every nation every religion and every human being equally even those who are cannibals and want to eat you? at one point cultural relativism ends with you in the cauldron... Then what do you do with those who don't want to treat you equally? What do you do with people who refuse your laws? It's so easy to go with nice words like yours, pretend to own the moral high ground while relaying on the safety provide by others. I find this of the utmost hypocrisy and frankly stupid and very dangerous... What do you do with bad people? Do you recognize their existence or your deny it? I am very curious... Endogan is just try to fortify their defence system. World is stopping buyer from buying but no one is criticising producers. If we want peace in world we have to treat every nation every religion and every human being equally I agree with the equality part. But what makes you think that Erdogan buys this arms for his country's defense system? It doesn't seem to me that this is the case. Don't forget that he has also invaded Syria in order to kill Kurds. erdogan : a palace of $500m, genocide kurds in turkey, hate kurds in new kurdistan, want to recreate his ottoman rule to makha, invade cyprus... I mean not a good guy... but still, my question, what the fuck is going on with this gulen? Can you define what you mean with the word gulen? Considering all the other facts that you have stated, apparently something wrong would possibly go with that. Title: Re: Is Erdogan Dangerous for Global Peace? Post by: Naida_BR on July 11, 2019, 04:40:12 PM If we want peace in world we have to treat every nation every religion and every human being equally even those who are cannibals and want to eat you? at one point cultural relativism ends with you in the cauldron... Then what do you do with those who don't want to treat you equally? What do you do with people who refuse your laws? It's so easy to go with nice words like yours, pretend to own the moral high ground while relaying on the safety provide by others. I find this of the utmost hypocrisy and frankly stupid and very dangerous... What do you do with bad people? Do you recognize their existence or your deny it? I am very curious... Endogan is just try to fortify their defence system. World is stopping buyer from buying but no one is criticising producers. If we want peace in world we have to treat every nation every religion and every human being equally I agree with the equality part. But what makes you think that Erdogan buys this arms for his country's defense system? It doesn't seem to me that this is the case. Don't forget that he has also invaded Syria in order to kill Kurds. erdogan : a palace of $500m, genocide kurds in turkey, hate kurds in new kurdistan, want to recreate his ottoman rule to makha, invade cyprus... I mean not a good guy... but still, my question, what the fuck is going on with this gulen? Can you define what you mean with the word gulen? Considering all the other facts that you have stated, apparently something wrong would possibly go with that. please... gulen... you said you have interests into turkey? http://empireofdeceit.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BClen_movement_schools https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fethullah_G%C3%BClen After reading all these information i dont think that gulen is beneficial. Providing free education is good but they surely do that in order to create a propaganda scheme and educate people based on their own beliefs and benefits. Title: Re: Is Erdogan Dangerous for Global Peace? Post by: TheCoinGrabber on July 11, 2019, 05:35:02 PM I believe there were already people saying that Turkey shouldn't have been part of NATO. It just don't share the same values (probably same reason it can't get in the EU).
Do I think he's ambitious? Yes and that might cause trouble. Would I blame him for "diversifying"? No. The modern West is more an anomaly IMHO. Civilizations primarily looking out for themselves was the norm. After reading all these information i dont think that gulen is beneficial. Providing free education is good but they surely do that in order to create a propaganda scheme and educate people based on their own beliefs and benefits. Education has always been propaganda, whether it is controlled by religious orders like in the past (and still today in some countries) or by secular governments. I don't know whether what the Turkish government accuse Gulen is true or not but either way, it was a battle over spreading their preferred propaganda. Title: Re: Is Erdogan Dangerous for Global Peace? Post by: Naida_BR on July 15, 2019, 01:35:39 PM I believe there were already people saying that Turkey shouldn't have been part of NATO. It just don't share the same values (probably same reason it can't get in the EU). Do I think he's ambitious? Yes and that might cause trouble. Would I blame him for "diversifying"? No. The modern West is more an anomaly IMHO. Civilizations primarily looking out for themselves was the norm. After reading all these information i dont think that gulen is beneficial. Providing free education is good but they surely do that in order to create a propaganda scheme and educate people based on their own beliefs and benefits. Education has always been propaganda, whether it is controlled by religious orders like in the past (and still today in some countries) or by secular governments. I don't know whether what the Turkish government accuse Gulen is true or not but either way, it was a battle over spreading their preferred propaganda. Right now, Turkey is the worst member of NATO in terms of not offering anything to the alliance. Probably they let Turkey be a member so they won't be in close relationship with Russia. But as the events show, Turkey's participation in Nato didn't stop them of making deals with Russia. And to be clear, I don't have anything with Russia. Turkey is the double face problem in the South Eastern Europe. Title: Re: Is Erdogan Dangerous for Global Peace? Post by: LTU_btc on July 15, 2019, 11:13:10 PM I don't think that Erdogan is dangerous for global peace, but yeah, he is dangerous. It's just crazy to see NATO member buying missile systems from Russia. It looks that Turkey don't have future in NATO if they will continue these things. But I don't think that Erdogan is dangerous globally, he is mainly dangerous for Turkey. Authoritarian regime of Erdogan is destroying decomacracy step by step. But we can see little positive things in Turkey. For example, candidate from opposition party was elected as mayor of Istanbul - it's quite big thing and warning to Erdogan.
Title: Re: Is Erdogan Dangerous for Global Peace? Post by: KingScorpio on July 16, 2019, 02:24:16 AM Turkey has already agreed to get a Russian missle system s400. Europe and the US are against this deal because Erdogan violate's NATO rules, but he doesn't seem that he is willing to cancel the deal. On top of that, he demands from the US to provide him the F-35 airforce planes that was agreed. I think that he is a dangerous guy that he just wants to get everything without giving something back. Do you think that he is a dangerous guy for global peace? Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48617664 what do you mean with "europe"? Apparently, the European Union... they say so Title: Re: Is Erdogan Dangerous for Global Peace? Post by: squatz1 on July 16, 2019, 09:58:50 PM The Turkish president was almost overthrown, and the West almost had their darling takeover the country who would be more pro western to the world. That didn't happen though, and Turkey was still being cut off from international weapon sales.
Obviously, this vacuum of international power allowed for Russia to butt in and strengthen his relationship with Russia. I doubt anything will really happen though, in relation to global peace, as if President Trump (and the rest of the EU) says that they're going to sanction Turkey relating to this and kick them out of NATO he's going to cave to their demands as he must. We'll see I guess. Title: Re: Is Erdogan Dangerous for Global Peace? Post by: Naida_BR on July 17, 2019, 05:03:42 PM The Turkish president was almost overthrown, and the West almost had their darling takeover the country who would be more pro western to the world. That didn't happen though, and Turkey was still being cut off from international weapon sales. Obviously, this vacuum of international power allowed for Russia to butt in and strengthen his relationship with Russia. I doubt anything will really happen though, in relation to global peace, as if President Trump (and the rest of the EU) says that they're going to sanction Turkey relating to this and kick them out of NATO he's going to cave to their demands as he must. We'll see I guess. Indeed sanctions are decided for Turkey. And it is the first time that a NATO ally faces sanctions. It has never happened again. This show how serious the condition is. Title: Re: Is Erdogan Dangerous for Global Peace? Post by: Mometaskers on July 19, 2019, 05:15:11 PM He will if he do something relating to the situation in Syria that will benefit Russia.
I don't think that Erdogan is dangerous for global peace, but yeah, he is dangerous. It's just crazy to see NATO member buying missile systems from Russia. It looks that Turkey don't have future in NATO if they will continue these things. But I don't think that Erdogan is dangerous globally, he is mainly dangerous for Turkey. Authoritarian regime of Erdogan is destroying decomacracy step by step. But we can see little positive things in Turkey. For example, candidate from opposition party was elected as mayor of Istanbul - it's quite big thing and warning to Erdogan. Yes, that one. That's why I believe it'll never be an EU member. Their interests just don't align with EU, which seem to see containment of Russia as important. |