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With reference to the subject above I am interested to know why signature campaign managers aren't merit sources by default?

I know for a fact that one of the few people that read most of our posts around the forum are SM's(fact) but why aren't they merit sources by default?? I see most of the merit sources to have a certain niche which is commendable but this cuts out most members as no one is in their circle.

As a matter of fact  you can only get merit this time around if you are in merit sources niche which usually falls under being a technical person, speak a certain language or at least remained an active member for a long time, anything outside this is for your eyes only which ultimately leaves an empty void.

AFAIK anything out of this means you have slim to no chances to earn merit which I honestly think SM's can bridge the gap as we need more eyes to encourage users to contribute positively towards the forum, besides SM's know the spammers and will give merit on merit basis .

NB: this default merit source should only be  available to those that have proved without reasonable doubt that the hold high standards in how they go on with their business and have shown commitment to uphold forum rules and of course been on the forum for at least a certain number of years to be considered a merit source.
 
"A problem shared is a problem solved," what do others think?

Well signature campaign managers are just a regular forum member for the forum. They are no special.

They can apply like other users do and if they're reputable/deserving they're likely to become sources. Appointing them "by default" seems meaningless. Theymos would still need to evaluate each one individually and not everyone might want to become a source.

Camping managers nothing to do with forum, even they are well reputed. Merit sources is related with forum and it could not by default since there is no specific requirement to become merit sources.

Everyone here free to apply to be a merit source, there is no vacant just for reputed managers. I am not aginst reputed manager but I am telling the truth. Manage campaign and become merit source if different function. And I believe well reputed managers busy with their job, likely they have no enough time and that's the reason why they have not been applying here.

Right.  I don't see any reason why campaign managers should necessarily be merit sources, and I'm not sure what OP's angle is on this.  Does he think that campaign managers would start handing out merits to posts made in their campaigns?  I'm not sure that would happen, nor do I think it would really be a good thing.

There are really only a handful of good campaign managers on the forum, and they're the ones managing the bitcoin-paying campaigns.  Some of them might even be sources, who knows.  I wouldn't trust a shitty altcoin/token-paying bounty manager to be a source, since most of them are indifferent to spam and might abuse the privilege.

Yep.  Theymos has been known to make members merit sources without them even applying (*ahem*), but I seriously doubt he's going to do what OP is suggesting.

OP is probably thinking that since signature campaign managers check the posts of their participants to see if they meet the requirements they might as well reward good posts with merits. In one way it does make sense. But it doesnt necessarily have to be that way. Just because they check posts on a daily or weekly basis doesnt mean that they know what a good and merit worthy post is. They have their own personal opinion about the posts and so does everyone else.

I don't quite get your point but why don't you think like this: there are a number of old members; they're here at the very early days of forum. Their contributions and loyaty make them "established members". As a result, bounty holders ask for their services and forum's admin awards them merit source roles. It's their qualities but anything else make them signature campaign managers and merit sources.

Being expertized in something makes you easier to get merit but it doesn't really mean that you have to be an expert in something to get merit. See, I'm not good at anything but I still can earn some merits with my shit stuff. The Pharmacist is a merit source and his niche is definitely pharmacy but I doubt he can barely see any pharma related post in here to give merit. (j/k)

The key word I think is INTEREST, the reputable campaign managers would have to be interested in becoming merit sources and make an application to that effect.
I can think of a few top managers who could fit in, but they'd have to be ready to take out their time to look for meritable posts across the various general boards while keeping up with a target.

All those who hold any position on the forum are viewed as volunteers, so making someone anything by default in unlikely.

Why they should be? So, you want to make campaign managers merit sources even if they don't weant. It doesn't sounds good. In general, campaign managers are just regular forum members and they can become merit sources if they want in the same way like everyone here - they should make Merit source application on Meta and wait for theymos decision.
I think that even not all staff members are merit sources (I can't 100% guarantee for this, but I got such impression.

As already stated campaign managers can apply like anyone else and I'm sure if they're respected amongst the community then they will get a lot of vouches or they will be made on eventually if they prove their worth here, but there are campaign managers who come out of nowhere and aren't necessarily trusted, so this is why they should be taken on a case by case basis so there's no possibility of abuse by giving access by default. I think theymos should probably delegate some of the responsibility of choosing merit sources by maybe granting some mods the power to allocate them so they can be made more frequently and without having to pester him about it. I don't know how often theymos looks into the applications but there seems to be a few cases lingering around in Meta that should probably be granted. There is a definite lack of merit sources and it's still fairly had for a fairly decent poster to get a significant amount of merit to move up the ranks fairly swiftly so this would help.

Like they said they can apply for merit source.
If they'd be by default merits source, a lot of users will be applying for signature campaign manager soon. Some will try to an extent create their own coin just to distribute their tokens by becoming one of the signature campaign manager and merit source at the same time to send merits to all their alts.

There are some main characteristics to apply as a merit source:
- Good reputation & contributions.
- Actively use the forum in some boards.
- Actively spread their sendable merits to diversifying forum users.
Who can satisfy (at least they feel they satisfy those requirements), can make their merit source applications, and wait for months to know results.
I observe so many merit source applications, and most of them took months to be accepted. In my observation, I don't know which application rejected or not, I only know when applications accepted and applicants became merit sources.
Recent months, there are more new merit sources for local boards.

I think there is a possible conflict of interest, and therefore campaign managers should not be merit sources.

Merit, trust, quality posts, etc. All subjective bullshit on this forum.

They shouldn't be merit sources by default because if they were, a possible message the forum will be passing on to her users is, "Join a signature campaign so you can easily get merited at the same time get paid for posting on the forum" but since that's not the case the message now is the easiest way to get merited is by engaging in quality discussion irrespective of whether you're in a campaign or not.

Having signature managers as sources by default would had tied earning of merits mainly to signatures campaign which will result to what Jet cash just said, " possible conflict of interest" and would had also increase the level of obsession the more by users to join a signature campaign which will just turn the forum into something else.

I am pretty sure all of the reputed managers are merit sources: Darkstar, yahoo, lauda, Hhampuz, Hilariousetc/andco, OgNasty, LoyceV etc etc Not all of them were merit sources at the beginning of the system but they were added relatively sooner. And almost all of them have a relatively big sMerit source.

So what is your point? Name one reputed manager who isn't a merit source.


Bah, dont worry about merit sources, they will come and go. Its not a big problem. Go watch Stranger Things S03. Issa pretty gooddd.

Ah, my bad I didn't know.

But yeah,I have seen the amount of shit you guys go through, I remember how much shit people were talking about you when you delayed payments(?) for one of your campaigns because you went out to get drunk for once. There are some real shitheads here that have brains of a demogorgon.   

I an not a merit source, nor do I wish to be. Every little thing that a reputed user is a part of grows the target on their back. Examples include Campaign Manager, DT 1 or 2, Merit source, and even Staff. 8 million users all worried about what time you take a piss during the day. Look at the reputation section and you can see some users requesting to be off DT.

Not that I cannot handle it or anything, but it's more of a i'd rather not have more duties thrust upon me that are definitely thankless.

Yeah, maybe,... But, AFAIK, CMs wouldn't mind if they become a Source by default, but to apply as a Source I don't think they would do that with their busy time, in fact that would be just another responsibility for them...

Campaign managers can apply too to become a merit source if they want but I think it they don't have time searching merit worthy posts because of the campaigns they are managing.

Campaign managers are just a normal users here so they can't be merit sources by default.

I believed in what  @suchmoon says, those campaign managers(paying btc per week, not altcoins)can do apply merit source if they want just what as other merit sources do. If they aren't busy managing campaign they can easily spot users had a good post and deserving to be merited. But that is another workload for them, they can't handle(checking participants posts is not easy), let our merit sources do their works and that's their responsibility.

Why not bounty managers? Anyone in this forum has the right to apply to be a merit source and the theymos is the only person who can decide whether that person is worthy to be a merit source or not,not that type of bounty he was managing.

I don't see how that would be a conflict of interest: the campaign manager doesn't get anything out of meriting those posts.
I once read all posts made by ChipMixer participants in 2 weeks, I sent somewhere around 200 Merit to those posts. If a campaign manager takes the time to actually check the posts, it's very little additional effort to also Merit the posts that are worth it.

Can you show me a bounty campaign that doesn't encourage spam? I don't think it exists, because a campaign won't get any exposure on the spam-infested altcoin boards if it doesn't join the spammers.

But I don't think the approval of merit source based on what kind of campaign they were in or managing it.

As along as they meet the criteria requirement to be one.But its not deniable that altcoin board was filled with useless shit posts.

Everyone who like to be a source has to follow the procedure, which is to apply.

Reputable signature campaign manager can also apply if they want and there is no exemption here, no such thing as automatic as we are all guided by rules of the forum.

The conflict is that it allows the campaign manager to point out that the people *they* choose to be in their campaigns have and are receiving a lot of merit, and therefore should be hired to manage additional campaigns. 

That's not great reasoning to pick a manager over another. The more you pay, the better participants you can get. Nothing else to it.

You can look at it from this angle, the managers get to read a selective set of users posts week by week so their style of posting can subconsciously get registered as a quality form of writing in their mind (taking into consideration we're what we read).

Let me make a point with this, as a merit source appointed for your local baord you intentionally or subconsciously send more merit to participate of your local board, same fate might occur if campaign managers are made sources by default. Currently the few mangers who're sources aren't pressured to merit their participants so they don't review their posts history with a mindset of meriting them but when managers get to be sources by default, that mindset of meriting their participants come into the picture because that was why they were made sources which might affect their judgement just as it affects some merit sources appointed to local boards.