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Most popular faces of Crypto industry are regularly posting their views on the king coin.

One of the well-known crypto enthusiast and Co-founder of  Heisenberg Capital, Max Keiser believes Bitcoin price (https://coinpedia.org/news/bitcoin-will-move-up-25-30x-faster-than-gold-says-max-keiser/) will move 25 -30 times faster to the upside than Gold.

What's your take on this, will bitcoin price increase?

There are some people who come out when everything is getting better. One of them is here! Why couldn't we hear these conversations 3-4 months ago? Fear?

To be honest, I don't following the news about bitcoin from other people especially if they called themselves a person who is involved in the cryptocurrency for a long time. I am better to do my own research by spending my time to watch and analyze the bitcoin market so I can get something info or clue related to the price itself. But I read on many news that said bitcoin will increase higher more than we see now, but I don't think too much about that because they are not always right and I know that the market can move into any price. The bitcoin price itself will still volatile and it does not depend on the news, but in the long-term, bitcoin will increase and it will reach the very highest price which we don't know how much the price.

Bitcoin is bullish again,so the forum is full with bullish predictions coming from "crypto gurus"(Keiser,Alsam,Novogratz,maybe McAfee will appear from his rabbit hole).Again... ;D
There might be a bitcoin price correction happening soon.I'm pretty sure the bullish "crypto gurus" will disappear after that.For a while... ;D

I think because of the increase in demand for bitcoin, the price will keep going up and early investors will keep reaping huge profits. I will advise that the purchase of bitcoin is quite a profitable venture

I am literally fed up with all theae so called known faces of cryptos, especially when they post about their predictions to Mars! The future is obviously uncertain and it's impossible for anyone to know what's going to happen in future unless that person holds skme psychic power! They are just speculating and people seems to be amused by their speculation! Hard reality!

These so-called experts of Bitcoin, where were they in 2018 or 2016 or in 2009. Do they really think that the Bitcoin community needs to know from them where the price of Bitcoin will go?

Whenever the price of Bitcoin goes up, these Jacks will be ready with a statement to create FOMO. Whenever the price goes down they will be ready with a statement to create FUD.

Stop posting such shitty statement. Everyone here knows that the price of Bitcoin will go to the moon.  

We all know that bitcoin will eventually hit $1,000,000, but when this will happen is still a vague to suppose experts. Those who follow the leading of expert in 2017 have now learnt to be cautious about who they listen to.

From the price around $5000 the bitcoin market is highly bullish and has crossed several price barriers and undergone price corrections reaching a value close to $14000.

Now once again the growth of bitcoin has took power and has been on the marching to cross $14k and reach the $15k which was the next biggest price barrier after $10000. This time a price prediction from an leading firm won't gain much importance, but this will create some positivity among the holders.

Bitcoin is already moving faster than gold, though of course at a much slower rate than Max Keiser proposed. Knowing that gold is a completely regulated asset and its marketplace is pretty much an airtight container with different regulations applied as locks, it's completely free from any form of manipulation and other weird and nefarious trading techniques. As of now, bitcoin is still going and going, while gold is still staying on to where it's at currently, and we just know what the reasons are, of course.

that is kind of an obvious statement though!
it is not day 1 of bitcoin existence, it has been 10 years and for the past 10 years price has been going up a lot faster than anything else, 25-30x is our normal days in bitcoin bull market. statements like this would have been valuable if they came out in early years not after 10 years of big rises they start stating the obvious history and the trajectory that bitcoin is already on.

Bitcoin has been always faster in price movement than gold, just look what has happened before, or look this year, the Gold price hasn't moved a lot since the start of 2019 but bitcoin price is around 12K this is like 250% in a year!

We have seen bitcoin already over-taking gold in terms of price so this is nothing to be surprised of. That's why we shouldn't compare them because obviously bitcoin is the best performing asset we have right now. As my take on the price increase, definitely, we even hadn't touch any all-time-highs yet, so that will be the next target for everyone. New all-time-high and then see how it goes.

Kind of a no brainer statement considering the fact that Bitcoin went from being worth a fraction of a cent each to tens of thousands of dollars within a decade. I expect this to still be true going forward.

If you're asking if statements like this can help increase Bitcoin prices, then no. Not even Warren Buffett and Bill Gates flip flopping on their Bitcoin views can do that. They definitely help "news" sites get clicks though.

just because someone is guessing the bitcoin price more often than others, it doesn't really make them "most popular faces of crypto industry"! it just makes them shadier people who seek attention. otherwise the real experts who understand this market aren't making this many statements every day.

no shit!
you don't have to be an expert or "most famous face" in this industry to be able to come up with that guess. Gold is old and has an established market that is not really growing that much. bitcoin on the other hand is new and every day it grows as it is adopted more. and we still are in the first step of adoption! so saying bitcoin will rise faster than gold is more than obvious.

I partially agree with you here. Bitcoin has performed better than gold on certain occasions, but gold value is less volatile than BTC value based on what I have observed which is why gold is still more reliable in comparison.

With future developments, BTC volatility will probably fall making it more reliable than gold and this would attract more investors helping its value rise even further with time.

Im not sure about 25 30 x faster but im almost sure bitcoin moves will be much much bigger than gold or others.gold has no risk but low profit.

do you think with your logic or you just copy past what other say and wait to see what other say base on what you copy past hhhhhhhhh

1. bitcoin in growth out perform any assest  in the world....
2. gold supply much more big then bitcoin supply relative there is equation to see the difference...educate your self littel bit its kids stuff we even not close to the ball park
3. gold is store of value and not cash which mean in the end gold always need to be convereted to some other value(cash) in order to buy whatever you want....in other words selling rate of gold will always grow in some sort of level,,,,and selling rate hurt value, like when people in the peak of price of bitcon selling rate is high....

4. bitcoin is store of value like gold and better because in the same time its cash which mean soon the selling rate will fall drastically because people will not sell them and buy directly with everything and will completey dismiss market movements, which will surge the price up.


so simple its kids stuff we even not close to the ball park where medium and complex things on the way.

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do you think with your logic or you just copy past what other say and wait to see what other say base on what you copy past hhhhhhhhh

1. bitcoin in growth out perform any assest  in the world....
2. gold supply much more big then bitcoin supply relative there is equation to see the difference...educate your self littel bit its kids stuff we even not close to the ball park
3. gold is store of value and not cash which mean in the end gold always need to be convereted to some other value(cash) in order to buy whatever you want....in other words selling rate of gold will always grow in some sort of level,,,,and selling rate hurt value, like when people in the peak of price of bitcon selling rate is high....

4. bitcoin is store of value like gold and better because in the same time its cash which mean soon the selling rate will fall drastically because people will not sell them and buy directly with everything and will completey dismiss market movements, which will surge the price up.


so simple its kids stuff we even not close to the ball park where medium and complex things on the way.

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I think the bitcoin will rise yes, but not so much, so in such a short time, the currency has strength and many are selling their altcoins to invest in bitcoin, but a forecast of this I do not believe much in these sources.

You can't go wrong by saying Bitcoin will outperform x or y legacy asset. It's pretty much the same as me saying that x shitcoin with a $25 million market cap will greatly outperform Bitcoin during a bull run.

Max Keiser to me is just one of the many delusional perma bulls who are only out to contribute to hype rather than helping Bitcoin grow fundamentally. His current statement is a desperate attempt to reach mainstream media.

He recently found it necessary to tore up a $50 bill to "prove" how useless fiat is. He could have donated it to a charity or bought Bitcoin with it. He has no respect for value nor the people who don't have any money. Retard.

Isn't it what he has been doing all these years since Coca-Cola?  ::) And now he makes predictions that every idiot village knows it will happen 99.999% for sure. Bitcoin VS Gold performance. Seriously? What a risky prediction, he can bet money on it no problem to him. Can't believe each time these guys open their mouth an article is published, no matters the shit they say.

Max Keizer's statement was also supported by Peter Brandt's prediction.  previously it was the prediction of Tom Lee and the Draper Bitcoin team.  and Peter Brandt explained that Bitcoin will reach $ 50000 in the next 2 or 3 years.  I think that is a significant growth in the duration of 2 years.  at least their predictions can minimize FOMO.

People like Keiser just talking about bitcoin when is "good time to invest"

I seen his videos on youtube.  You agree he is legit right?

Listening to experts or professionals in predictions is not a bad thing but following their predictions without personal analysis before investing is what is bad. I have decided to only invest when bitcoin is low or at the bottom and sell when it is too expensive. Outside this, I only listen to their predictions as one of the guides.

I don't agree with how this data seemed to be formulated, since it feels like it's been a completely arbitrary projection. But the general trajectory is certainly going to be that bitcoin's growth will outpace gold's growth in the long run.

Bitcoin is essentially the best digital substitute for gold as a store of value as we have right now. Even people at the Federal Reserve are admitting this (look at the news that just came out if you haven't already, regarding the Fed). It's also experiencing a whole ton more of adoption and thus, increase in demand than gold, not to mention the gradual paradigm shift of gold bugs to opening their minds to cryptocurrencies as a viable safe haven as well.

At the end of the day, as I said, I wouldn't put too much weight on the 25-30x figure he produced - since there is no clear evidence that he's used any legitimate analysis to reach that figure. But I certainly think that over the next few decades, despite gold's status of a global reserve currency will still be there, it will probably diminish somewhat.

I think that is the number one rule of bitcoin people, always be bullish on bitcoin. I mean you see stock market people and forex people saying bitcoin is unsustainable and will be gone in couple of years for years now and it hasn't been going anywhere but up so we can totally disregard them but if you are person who is doing work on bitcoin then you must always be bullish on bitcoin, you think you will ever hear Vitalik come out and say "ethereum is too high right now it will fall" ? He would never say something like that.

So, as the fashion Max Keiser is saying bitcoin will go high faster than Gold, what were you expect him to say? You think he would say something like "gold is going up very well, bitcoin can never do that" or something? That is impossible and illogical.

Seriously not really into this whole digital gold analogue gold debate. Gold is gold and there is a reason it was still hidden, smelted, robbed and carried by refugees. I am all for Bitcoin and I have no gold but I wouldn't be expecting rwfugees to be holding btc on a usb any time soon or any time in the next 10 years even.

Gold has its value as something sure. Even as a Bitcoin user I know btc doesn't have value as certain.

It's not 100x gold holders are looking for or even 10x. It is as close to 1x as possible for perpetuity.

Max Keiser is more rational than John McAfee in this respect.

He pointed out that a lot of actors in the cryptospace suffers from "bitcoin derangement syndrome", which mades sense when someone goes "all in" (in both ways) and cant do anything else in his life without worrying about the bitcoin price. A high exposition (or the lack of it) leads someone to BDS, and thats why I said to not go "all in" and have a more balanced investment, since both FUD and FOMO are bad for your health.

Max Keiser predicted a top of 100k for the entire bitcoin history. I still believe it can go to 1 million in a decade, but a stagnation around 100k mades more sense if we put into perspective the boomer mentality among the ones who can afford bitcoin. The younger generations, which are more likely to adopt bitcoin, dont have money to buy it. Some are even living in cuckpods, because they dont have money for rent. Institutions, on the other hand, have a lot of money, but they are ruled by boomers, who fear bitcoin and dont understand it.

It is hard to believe, since Gold is close to start moving. So if price of gold doubles Bitcoin have to get to $300k. If it triples then Bitcoin will have to be $600. And if quadruples, then Bitcoin will have to be close to a million UDS.  I firmly believe we will more likely see a ounce of gold at $6k then Bitcoin at 1 million.

I doubt he does. OGs like him sit on a large stack of Bitcoin and just bank on the forks and price appreciation. All he needs to do is open his mouth once in awhile to 'secretly' promote stuff he has been paid for to promote.

It's business for news outlets. They'll grab anything they can write an article about and people here will continue to read it no matter how shitty the content actually is, that's what I call doing business the right way. :D

In the last 12-24 months the quality of crypto content has reached the lowest ever point, yet these news outlets manage to grow with pretty significant numbers. Based on that they will definitely not improve. Why would they? It's easy money.

I think that Bitcoin is far ahead of what gold can promise right now. We know that gold has been around for more than 1000s of years but Bitcoin in a short period of 10 years has pretty much elbowed aside gold and there are so many reasons behind this. Gold is not usable when it comes to international transactions however it is Bitcoin that makes you able to do things in matter of minutes.

Maybe gold naturally will be good as investment, people who trade it only take advantage from it's price that keep increased in time. But bitcoin have a lot of things inside it, it can be investment, digital money for transaction and there are a lot og things else that can make bitcoin is better.

Exactly that bitcoin rises in price faster than gold but bitcoin is also faster than gold, the price of bitcoin is very volatile so it is very difficult to predict, so some people are afraid to invest in bitcoin because the risk is quite large, even though the risk is  big there is definitely a big advantage too, all choices are in your hands

I wont argue on the exact amount but he isnt wrong on the differing natures of the two asset types.    Gold is supposed to go slow as hell, it also a giant brake to halt any great falls.   Overall over time gold never loses its value where as there is a risk apparent in BTC that explains why most of the world is not more involved beyond speculation.    BTC requires more work, both to succeed and even just to speculate you are going to be more worried on its variations in price.
   My attitude to gold is buy and forget is almost how it should be done, the only requirement is you have the correct time frame.  Do not buy gold with less then 10 year requirement, it can fall for that length of time and still be a good valid asset doing as expected.    Great if it returns a gain before then but its not in the rulebook.
  BTC I'd say anything goes, to really do well it requires a rapid transformation in the world that technology is an asset to that change.   Never go 100% or close to that on either type but imo gold is the lower risk of the two by a fair margin hence the lower gains are expected.

Nothing special!

These popular faces do give out their insights towards btc which is pretty basic and not always been a good thing to follow about.They might give out
positive sentiments but doesnt mean that it do always affect the price.

Bitcoin is been known to be very volatile and it already prove out that it can surpass any traditional currencies/metals/stocks when it comes to price changes.So nothing usual on here.

Gold has relatively speaking been a good investment if you got in below $1000. It took Gold 5-6 years to break the resistance level that was preventing it from going higher due to all the (unbacked) paper shorts. Imagine how long it will take for Gold to break through its all time high. It might take decades without investors looking for a safe haven.

Also keep in mind that Bitcoin is a capable competitor that will usurp a big chunk of that safe haven capital. I wouldn't put a single penny in Gold unless you think all fiat currencies will implode and Gold is the only form of value that will hold strong.

It wont take decades, the secret to guess that correctly is the Dollar index which is putting in a lower high.    Yes Dollar is not crashing, its still in the region of being highly rated asset and that is why gold is still relatively cheap, when gold passes 2,000 not many will have the faith or confidence to realise its still a buy but right now I'd say its a reasonable consideration.    
   The secret to finding relative value is by contrast to its main alternative and for Gold that is Dollar which itself was rated in gold at one time and still carried on that idea for many decades after.   USA has not sold any of its Fort Knox gold, I dont believe any conspiracies of that type because its really not a question of any weight.  The only thing that matters is the monetary base and its expansion relative to reserves such as the gold, its far past any reasonable support.   If dollar no longer has a link to gold then the price for gold is free to rise far beyond anything expected especially if it were used as an alternative by the worlds central banks.

Its all speculation so far but its a very reasonable path for why gold and also other alternatives such as Bitcoin or many unlinked currency standards would outperform dollars, normal pricing.

I hope so, I don't want to see bitcoin on a lower price again maybe its the right time for us to pump again. The increase on bitcoin is the must, this year we need to see a most expensive bitcoin again for us to move forward in the next year. The most anticipated halving with bitcoin should bring the price up again hopefully.

How far?  Question here is not if it is ahead or not. We know it is ahead but how much ahead. Is Bitcoin 25-30 times ahead?  My answer is NO. Not right now.

Bitcoin is not ahead of its price.

The bull run will be on the five digits zone, and there is too much ground to cover, if we compare to four digits.

Bitcoin already moved faster than gold, this happen 10 year ago begin, so it isn't new for reason make bitcoin price increase.
but gold and bitcoin have same physically different like fiat, other people told bitcoin as future of gold or digital gold, bitcoin have limited but gold unlimited.

Bitcoin indeed grow faster than gold over time, but still who invest on last bull run they hold and wait for a new ATH and no one know for sure when teh next bull run and a new ATH for bitcoin will come. But i agree that this people who say bitcoin will grow a lot should come also on 2018 and say that.

This is another trend with bitcoin, and we can’t buy cheap bitcoin anymore but right now there’s still a chance to buy because the new peak is yet to come. Bitcoin moves faster than any investment especially if you compare it to Gold, bitcoin will continue to deliver and go up again.

And we are only at 50% of the ATH of that last bull run, they should not feel too worried,,, it is only 1.5 years ago. Even at 3 years they should not worry because Bitcoin will take a long time to get there, but it will. You cannot stop something that is improving every day and making gold and fiat look really bad day by day. Gold will survive longer than Bitcoin, but Bitcoin can always turn into something else!

There are many factors which can make bitcoin price goes drastically in the future, such as halving event, its supply becuase it has been limited and the user itself, when cryptocurrencies has been mainstream there will be many people who want to buy bitcoin and store it as their investment place.

So it is not wierd when some expert and some popular person gave a statement to the future of bitcoin who will have a high price. As you may know the created of antivirus Jhon McAfee has gave a prediction to bitcoin price at 2020, the price bitcoin will touch $1 million at that time and he bet if bitcoin cannot reach $1 million at 2020 he will cut his own genitals.

He is so optimistic that bitcoin will reach that price, but who knows no one really knows the price of bitcoin in the future but from the fundamental side we have the right to have a little faith in it.

I agree -