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https://www.un.org/en/member-states/ All of their leaders.

notice, most of them follow the same people.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/following
https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/following
https://twitter.com/federalreserve/following
https://twitter.com/FBI/following
https://twitter.com/CIA/following
https://twitter.com/NSAGov/following


ROTHSCHILD
ROCKEFELLER
JP MORGAN

All centralized banks

add all mainstream media, for they are guilty also and anyone with a following and media presence that is aware and does not mention it or do anything about it is also guilty.

You should add your list JP Morgan too. He said Bitcoin was a Fraud. Later, it turned out that the investment firm owned by him bought some Bitcoin. 

https://news.bitcoin.com/after-the-boss-calls-bitcoin-a-fraud-jp-morgan-buys-the-dip/

Should we not just simplify the list and name a single entry of:

• the sham we currently pretend is government?

We'll be here all year listing all the different government bodies, politicians and so-called intelligence agencies.

Well, that's actually all of the UN members states, but why should we trust or not to them when it comes to bitcoin? I have no positive opinion about UN, but I see Malta, Germany, Slovenia, Belarus as very friendly states toward cryptocurrency in general.

Fact that some country official twitter account (or President / Prime Minister)  is follow some Donald or Hillary does not mean anything. I think many members of crypto community follow same people, just because they want to read something fun from time to time, and Trump tweets are sometimes very fun ( I am not follow him).

You should add McAfee too. He's full of bs.😂
Anyway, Bitcoin is threatening their state by promotion of decentralization. So I always expect that someone will stand against it. We also knew that some people who stand against it are caught getting handful of Bitcoin. How ironic? Capitalism at it's finest. SMH

I find Craig Wright and Roger Ver (and of course their minions) to belong at the very top of lists of entities to not trust. I'm more concerned about them than a government trying to protect its own incentives.

And below them, with a massive gap in between, we have con artists such as John McAfee. This dude is so unstable that he will betray the hand that fed him for so long just because of a change in his mood. Steer clear of him.

People are offering to ass Jp Morgan (even though it's not a person) and McAfee. Honestly, clicking on the thread I also expected that kind of list of people. I would also add Craig Wright and Warren Buffett. But I agree with Lucius that it's unclear why the whole list of Member States of the UN is included. After all, each country has some supporters and some opposers, and not all of the leaders from these countries even made up their mind about Bitcoin. When it comes to trust and Bitcoin, though, I think we should not trust anyone in a sense that no reasonable predictions about what Bitcoin will be and how much will it cost can be made, no matter how bad or nice a certain person making these predictions is.

You shouldn't be trusting anyone who is not yourself. That's kind of the point of the whole thing is it not?

I know it's a lot less convenient than letting someone else do it for you but perhaps everyone should pause briefly and ponder who they are trusting at present in their Bitcoininess. You might be balls deep in exchanges, SPV wallets, hardware wallets pushing updates you don't bother to check and more.

I like the idea of the proof of keys day or whatever it was. Perhaps there should be a trust audit day as well.

i say when you cannot figure something yourself you need to relay on somebody like vitalik the founder of ethereum,

which mean even if billion people say to me this project is great and not scam and have hype(this is how the web dominated by scams) and vitalil say to me stay away ,i stand with him with closed my.


but it very rare to find people like vitalik

Even non-bitcoiners don't trust governments, intelligence agencies and politicians, so what's the point of this thread? People also generally don't trust bankers, and a lot of cryptocurrency enthusiasts don't trust exchanges, but today's reality is that we have to live under the shadow of governments, we have to use banks, we have to vote and so on. Going off the grid is impossible for most people, revolution is extremely unlikely to happen, so slow change remains our best bet for making our society better.

I don't know why do we even care for them. Why do we even need a list when we know this is what we want. We want them to buy Bitcoin and hold so we cannot say anything about it. We want them to join our community and realize what is the true power behind this technology. All they do is talk nonsense about this new technology and does not really follow what that se around the media.

This confuses me. RealDonaldTrump? Do presidents have twitter accounts under their name? The account also has 52 million followers. It is so strange. Then you said the CIA and FBI. I mean come on that isn't really the CIA or FBI. I thought twitter banned fake accounts? How can these be real? I don't know what to believe but whoever controls that trump account and the others talk such nonsense.


You will have to trust someone at some point. You just need to be very careful.

You can vastly minimise the trust you're doling out with a bit more effort. Not all that many people are but the tools and learning are out there and further tools are being developed. The prime area where trust could do with being cut to the bone is exchanges and hopefully some day there'll be proper decentralised exchanges.

Those two are pretty much on the top of my list as well. I mean BCH and BSV? seriously? Anyways, those are heads of state, so it's obvious that they are distrusted at some point, they work in government so I wouldn't bother to read their tweets even if it concerns crypto.

Add Facebook.

Let us remain calm, everyone. We do not close our doors to anyone. We do not act like them, too aggressive and too hostile. It is understandable that these people will oppose Bitcoin for now. They will try their best to preserve the status quo. They have much benefit from it. They know however that the tide is on our side. Sooner or later, they will realize that a future designed for everyone is the future Bitcoin has always been proclaiming.

what does UN and the government agencies have anything to do with bitcoin and whether you trust "them" about bitcoin or not?! that doesn't make any sense! they are not producing bitcoin or selling you bitcoin or even buying your bitcoin. it is all done by yourself and there is no trust involved in this world, the only trust is in the transparent and open source cryptography that is the backbone of bitcoin and nothing else.

well i certainly don't trust 3-letter agencies and donald trump. but what about people who are actually involved with bitcoin? jihan wu, roger ver, stephen pair, craig wright, mike hearn, gavin andresen? people like this seem much more relevant.....

Except the banks could print unlimited money and sell at a loss  ::) or obtain all the supply for free pretty much like they do with everyone's work, goods, services and limited time with their unlimited $lavery supply  ::)
Or just buy a shit load of asics and control dat network.

The best play they could actually make right now, is Hijacking the price to the moon, so the average person can not obtain like they can, What they are doing is scare tatics and trying to get the supply through devaluation from weak hands, also a pretty solid tactic.

The thing is they need the right balance, they need average people to have some of the supply, otherwise people will not use it.

Hi Ludmilla,I totally agree with your words!

You just listed the puppets and not the puppet masters pulling the strings behind the scenes. These people and organizations are but instruments of very rich and powerful people. Most people will never know who the puppet masters are, because they use these instruments to hide their identities and activities.  >:(

We should never forget the influence that Banks have over politicians and the global economy and how they got bailed out by tax payers money, when they nearly collapsed the global economy.  >:( >:( >:(

There are so many sites not to trust for, but you can actually learn a lot from them so you can just read it but never to listen to them. Even the top social sites can’t be trust for, but sinces its a good way to communicate then you can also use that. You can also include top personalities who claim themselves as Satoshi or claim them as the one you should trust for.

if you mention about poeples that never to trust then i remembered John Mcafee.
he is the one that make me lost more than 60% total from my asset , his statment is really bullsh*t.

Noted, I hate people when they something about bitcoin without any sufficient evidence on their claims. And also the people that I hate more are the people who spreads fraud in order to gain profit.

I never trust anybody from the start aside from my family and close friends in the crypto community. We should be like that to all kinds of investments including crypto, any one can be the enemy, including self proclaimed friends that would help you grow your investments, but most of them thinks a way to make money out of you and if you lose somehow, they also disappear like bubbles on thin air. Trust your self, that should do it.

probably he also fell for the bubble and he thinks the bubble will continue but when the bubble burst, his eyes were opened and all of a sudden, he thinks bitcoin is a fraud. Honestly, I am not surprise when I see influential people trying hard to bring down bitcoin. When you ask Morgan again today about his opinion on bitcoin, you will be surprise that he has another view. Nobody could have think Facebook founder will ever think of creating a blockchain based project. I have heard many top companies, even fintech companies pay their workers salary using bitcoin and yet they will open their mouth to make bad comment about the coin 

I actually spent a lot of time watching his videos and reading his posts on twitter but on the long run I feel convinced that most project dev that he makes mention always tip him to do so. I remember how he made some strange comment about XVG going crazy which actually happened. A lot of traders believe in his market speculations. One he makes mention of any coin or token like this, every traders on his page will rush to exchangers to buy the asset. He is  known for staging pump and dump of crypto asset and i think people now are aware of his mischievous posts

The reason I have the world leaders there, is because if they had any balls, they would stop trading the peoples limited time, for unlimited bullshit. They are proven to be guilty by not saying anything in their media about it. Then you have ones like Trump who promote the scam and attack bitcoin.

"not a fan of bitcoin, it is based on thin air, usd is real money and will reign supreme forever"

Now I am sure some of them are oblivious, but I am sure most of them are not.

I have not seen one leader stand up and address the people on creating a new system or even just address the problem, therefore we cannot trust them.  

anyways I forgot to add all mainstream media, for they are guilty to and anyone with a following and media presence that is aware and does not mention it or do anything about it is also guilty.
-guy who used to have 2000-3000 live viewers on his stream making $500-5000 a day(sometimes an hour) then started talking about the banks and got banned from twitch, I do not regret my decision.  I may be poor now in "fiat money", but at least I have a soul and have become rich in wisdom, something I can bring to the otherside with me, that is real wealth. I did my goal and planted a lot of mind seeds of liberty in the minds of many young.

Add anyone who is famous and is invested in Bitcoin they will probably be biased and will be looking to sway the market to their benefit. We have all seen the "whales" in the past doing just this. Mcafee was also accused of trying to manipulate the market to benefit himself a few years ago.

Try not to listen to anyone and make your own judgements.

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