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Title: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: cryptojonathan on July 17, 2019, 12:34:43 AM
Hello There , I found some contract in github that claim its possible to send Tokens without having ETH in your wallet, I want to send my tokens to another account and dont want to use ETH for paying fees, it will reduce the gas fee from the token amount? is there any developer who could help me to do this ?

Thanx


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: swiftbits on July 17, 2019, 02:39:43 AM
That would be a great and beneficial development but I don't think it's possible for an ERC20 token since it's using an Ethereum Blockchain
The gas fee for sending eth and token is the same since they both run in the same system.


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: pishite on July 17, 2019, 04:17:37 AM
This is not possible, even if you send tokens to the address of the smart contract, you still pay a commission for gas. And if you connect a smart contract to your account, then there is a chance to lose money forever. I do not recommend it.


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: TopT3ns on July 17, 2019, 04:32:15 AM
Maybe a lot of people will have same answer. Because we not see yet that can send token without ETH as fee. Even developer use fee to pay bounty hunter. Because if can pay with token, they wouldn't need ETH to do it and will just use their tokens.


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: Samayuki on July 17, 2019, 05:25:58 AM
You can't send tokens from ETH wallet without using ETH as gas fee,this is not possible at the moment but may be possible in the future yet I doubt it because this is how erc20 smart contract was build


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: peterlustig on July 17, 2019, 05:32:42 AM
Hey, sorry to say buddy but as far as I know it's not possible to use a token for paying the transfer fees in the Ethereum chain. I could be wrong here but I think paying a transfer fee using tokens is currently only possible in WAVES platform.


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: Doranile432 on July 17, 2019, 06:20:41 AM
I haven't seen or heard of any token capable of paying transaction fees for its own, you have to use ETH as gas fee this is how erc20 tokens works out of the box


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: Lantind on July 17, 2019, 06:28:18 AM
What I often experience when sending coins from my wallet to the exchange is that my ethics fee is deducted, and until now I have not found a way how to cut the gas fee from the coins that we send, something like this is common, if indeed there is a way that the gas fee when making a transaction is taken from the number of coins then I will also try it because it's something very cool.


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: NewRanger on July 17, 2019, 06:35:43 AM
What I often experience when sending coins from my wallet to the exchange is that my ethics fee is deducted, and until now I have not found a way how to cut the gas fee from the coins that we send, something like this is common, if indeed there is a way that the gas fee when making a transaction is taken from the number of coins then I will also try it because it's something very cool.
its only can be done by coins that have its own blockchain.for example if we sending bitcoin it will reduce our bitcoin amount.another example ethereum , if we sent eth it will take our eth as transaction fee.but for derivative token its impossible to.they only could used as utility token in their ecosystem.not as gas for each transcation.


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: tsaroz on July 17, 2019, 07:25:15 AM
Hello There , I found some contract in github that claim its possible to send Tokens without having ETH in your wallet, I want to send my tokens to another account and dont want to use ETH for paying fees, it will reduce the gas fee from the token amount? is there any developer who could help me to do this ?

Thanx


This is not even possible. Even if you have some ETH in your wallet, converting the token into ETH and using that as fees will increase the total transaction fees. If something like that is in github, it's probably a scam to steal any coins you have in your wallet.


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: LbtalkL on July 17, 2019, 07:58:28 AM
Hello There , I found some contract in github that claim its possible to send Tokens without having ETH in your wallet, I want to send my tokens to another account and dont want to use ETH for paying fees, it will reduce the gas fee from the token amount? is there any developer who could help me to do this ?

Thanx

Great idea buddy but this one like everybody says is not possible. But if Vitalik add that feature maybe it is but there is 99.9% that vitalik will add that  :D. If you are on Ethereum network you need to pay some Gas that's how it works.


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: yazher on July 17, 2019, 08:06:32 AM
I don't think it'll work. but regarding your statement, we can use your discovery to reduce the payment of the transactions but we need some real ERC-20 expert to make that happen paying it with tokens will help us a lot, especially the tokens you receive from the bounty.

But we really need to understand without needing of ETH we are no longer supporting their project and it will make the price of ETH crashed.
So we need to think if it really helps or not.


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: cryptojonathan on July 17, 2019, 08:31:23 AM
Hello There , I found some contract in github that claim its possible to send Tokens without having ETH in your wallet, I want to send my tokens to another account and dont want to use ETH for paying fees, it will reduce the gas fee from the token amount? is there any developer who could help me to do this ?

Thanx


wow, just heard about this from you, if someone can pay a transactions fee with a token not eth
but, in my personal opinion you can't do this mate, you will always need eth in your wallet to pay the fee,,
anyway can you show me the github link, did you mean in your post above ?


https://medium.com/@chiro8x/proof-of-concept-send-erc20-standard-token-without-etherem-8bbacb911dea

Check it So
Hello There , I found some contract in github that claim its possible to send Tokens without having ETH in your wallet, I want to send my tokens to another account and dont want to use ETH for paying fees, it will reduce the gas fee from the token amount? is there any developer who could help me to do this ?

Thanx

Great idea buddy but this one like everybody says is not possible. But if Vitalik add that feature maybe it is but there is 99.9% that vitalik will add that  :D. If you are on Ethereum network you need to pay some Gas that's how it works.

i Tought vitalik is no longer with ETH ...

So is there anyway to pay fees with a contract from another account and send tokens ?


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: DarkDays on July 17, 2019, 08:39:59 AM
You simply can't.

Not unless the token has its own blockchain and acts as its own gas, e.g. EOS, TRX etc.

The only way to move your tokens around for free is by handing out the private key to the wallet, and importing it that way.


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: taratorly on July 17, 2019, 08:41:51 AM
Hello There , I found some contract in github that claim its possible to send Tokens without having ETH in your wallet, I want to send my tokens to another account and dont want to use ETH for paying fees, it will reduce the gas fee from the token amount? is there any developer who could help me to do this ?

Thanx


Some friends has already answered. There is no way for that simply. It may possible with only exchanges (not all of them).

Tokens are using ETH mainnet (or which network they connected. EOS, TRX, NEO...) So this networks needs fee for transaction. Miners process this transaction with fee. And if it possible then miners should have get that tokens. So ETH miners, can earn ETH from their mining activities.


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: baigreen on July 17, 2019, 08:43:49 AM
Some wallets allow transactions to pay for tokens. But there are few of them. And for the hunter, they will not fit. Because we get exclusive coins. There is no way around this. So you have to pay for transactions. Do not waste time.


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: cryptojonathan on July 17, 2019, 08:51:02 AM
You simply can't.

Not unless the token has its own blockchain and acts as its own gas, e.g. EOS, TRX etc.

The only way to move your tokens around for free is by handing out the private key to the wallet, and importing it that way.

How do you mean to import my private key which wallet or where?

Hello There , I found some contract in github that claim its possible to send Tokens without having ETH in your wallet, I want to send my tokens to another account and dont want to use ETH for paying fees, it will reduce the gas fee from the token amount? is there any developer who could help me to do this ?

Thanx


Some friends has already answered. There is no way for that simply. It may possible with only exchanges (not all of them).

Tokens are using ETH mainnet (or which network they connected. EOS, TRX, NEO...) So this networks needs fee for transaction. Miners process this transaction with fee. And if it possible then miners should have get that tokens. So ETH miners, can earn ETH from their mining activities.



So its not possible even to pay another account transaction fees with a account that Holding ETH ?


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: princerepon on July 17, 2019, 09:21:03 AM
Hello There , I found some contract in github that claim its possible to send Tokens without having ETH in your wallet, I want to send my tokens to another account and dont want to use ETH for paying fees, it will reduce the gas fee from the token amount? is there any developer who could help me to do this ?

Thanx


I don't know is it really possible or not what are you saying. For your transaction you have to pay some fees. This is why they give their service to you. But whatever you found someting be careful because there is many people lost their money to save some penny.


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: terrific on July 17, 2019, 09:35:23 AM
I've read an identical post that you have found out but I forgot that thread/article.
I think it's a rare case that has happened before.
Why you don't want to pay fee? it's too cheap to avoid fees.


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: cryptojonathan on July 17, 2019, 09:38:00 AM
I've read an identical post that you have found out but I forgot that thread/article.
I think it's a rare case that has happened before.
Why you don't want to pay fee? it's too cheap to avoid fees.

I have EOS and EOSDAC in my wallet and i lost my private key before, now everytime i send ETH to wallet to pay for fees, it will auto sending eth to another account and i cant withdraw my tokens and losing ETH too ...


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: bartolo on July 17, 2019, 09:45:37 AM
Hello There , I found some contract in github that claim its possible to send Tokens without having ETH in your wallet, I want to send my tokens to another account and dont want to use ETH for paying fees, it will reduce the gas fee from the token amount? is there any developer who could help me to do this ?

Thanx


wow, just heard about this from you, if someone can pay a transactions fee with a token not eth
but, in my personal opinion you can't do this mate, you will always need eth in your wallet to pay the fee,,
anyway can you show me the github link, did you mean in your post above ?


https://medium.com/@chiro8x/proof-of-concept-send-erc20-standard-token-without-etherem-8bbacb911dea

In the example posted in that article, you still would be using ETH to pay the gas, the only difference is that the gas would be paid by the receiver instead of the sender. Anyway, I don't see much future in that proposal, it would be a harder, longer and more uncomfortable process that no service provider will be willing to carry out.


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: JeffBrad12 on July 17, 2019, 09:47:43 AM
Hello There , I found some contract in github that claim its possible to send Tokens without having ETH in your wallet, I want to send my tokens to another account and dont want to use ETH for paying fees, it will reduce the gas fee from the token amount? is there any developer who could help me to do this ?

Thanx

It's not possible, remember to use ethereum as the fees is a rule in the ethereum network, i guess some contract that claimed they can do that is fake. I never heard you will able to send any token without needed ethereum amount.
I thought that it's only a buzz word.


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: cryptojonathan on July 17, 2019, 09:51:26 AM
Hello There , I found some contract in github that claim its possible to send Tokens without having ETH in your wallet, I want to send my tokens to another account and dont want to use ETH for paying fees, it will reduce the gas fee from the token amount? is there any developer who could help me to do this ?

Thanx

It's not possible, remember to use ethereum as the fees is a rule in the ethereum network, i guess some contract that claimed they can do that is fake. I never heard you will able to send any token without needed ethereum amount.
I thought that it's only a buzz word.

alright, I understand now thanx everybody ;) but is this possible to pay other transaction fees with another account in metamask or somehow?


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: Prettygirl01315 on July 17, 2019, 10:58:39 AM
in my opinion this is not possible that token can save as a fee on paying the transactions but on CEX they are using but on external wallet not because the ETH serves as a fuel on all the transaction happen that is the basic nature of ethereum blockchain on tokens


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: BADBITCH on July 17, 2019, 01:01:12 PM
Hello There , I found some contract in github that claim its possible to send Tokens without having ETH in your wallet, I want to send my tokens to another account and dont want to use ETH for paying fees, it will reduce the gas fee from the token amount? is there any developer who could help me to do this ?

Thanx


When you see informations as that; you need to be very careful
Because etherum blockchain will always and continue to charge you etherum as gas fee for every transaction that takes place on the erc20- blockchain

Avoid giving out your private keys, and don’t look for zero fees on eth blockchain
I have never found one 


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: Convery on July 17, 2019, 01:11:01 PM
You simply can´t pay transaction fees (GAS) with tokens. Ethereum coin was created to power the Ethereum blockchain, nothing else, it is an utility coin and you can use it only for transactions and transaction fees.  :)


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: Inosend on July 17, 2019, 01:28:15 PM
Be careful not to launch such contract,  it can be a way to get your private key or mnemonic words. It is never possible to for transaction with another token than eth so anyone telling you this is deceiving you


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: cryptoblazter on July 17, 2019, 01:38:26 PM
Hello There , I found some contract in github that claim its possible to send Tokens without having ETH in your wallet, I want to send my tokens to another account and dont want to use ETH for paying fees, it will reduce the gas fee from the token amount? is there any developer who could help me to do this ?

Thanx


You've gotta be kidding me. That is not possible and whenever it does not happen actually ever since.
We all know here that Ethereum s most of the time that are being used for every transaction that We are going to make
here in terms of gas.


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: BitcoinTurk on July 17, 2019, 01:52:20 PM
Hello There , I found some contract in github that claim its possible to send Tokens without having ETH in your wallet, I want to send my tokens to another account and dont want to use ETH for paying fees, it will reduce the gas fee from the token amount? is there any developer who could help me to do this ?

Thanx


It's a good thought, but I don't think it's possible. If this were possible, why would project developers produce tokens exclusively for this process? Especially if I have to comment on the titles I have seen recently, I would like to say that many people have reached the peak of miserability. I don't understand why you don't want to pay the low miner fees and are looking for answers to such options. If a commission fee is to be paid, it will already be the same amount in USD regardless of the type of payment. That's why we don't need to think that much, to be so stingy.


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: smilodon93 on July 17, 2019, 02:52:59 PM
It is very much possible!
Just not on a protocol level of course.
But thats why we have smart contracts!
Wallet Contracts such as Gnosis https://safe.gnosis.io will allow you to safely sign a transaction,
send it to a relay contract and pay with a supported ERC20 token for the relay to pay your ETH Tx fees.

Stable coin ERC20 are particularly common for this, to prevent loss of value due to price fluctuation.


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: wywoc on July 17, 2019, 02:55:49 PM
Hello There , I found some contract in github that claim its possible to send Tokens without having ETH in your wallet, I want to send my tokens to another account and dont want to use ETH for paying fees, it will reduce the gas fee from the token amount? is there any developer who could help me to do this ?

Thanx

The fact is that with tokens on the Ethereum network, you cannot do this. Some websites or wallets allow you to withdraw the token without ETH in the balance, essentially they use the ETH to pay your transaction, and charge you with that token.


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: hrunya102 on July 17, 2019, 03:07:54 PM
The price for a transaction on the ETH network is very small, I do not think in the end your option will be cheaper, it's easier for me to have a little ether on my wallet.


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: Iykecollinz on July 17, 2019, 03:12:01 PM
I think this is only possible in exchanges where withdrawal fees are charged from the token itself, It is only a project that have tokens in its Mainnet that can be used for gas fee just like Binance. This is not just possible


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: Iyanu14 on July 17, 2019, 03:42:26 PM
You can send token from your ethereum wallet without having some ethereum in four wallet which will serve as gas fee, the person who told you you can do that is a joker.


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: santiPOGI on July 17, 2019, 03:48:01 PM
It is possible that you can use tokens for sending same token on other address.
HOW? well if the token is in exchange account and you will withdraw it on a certain address then you will have your token payment.
If you are reffering only to MEW (ERC-20) wallet then it is not possible!


Title: Re: How to pay token transaction fee with Token
Post by: tranduong123 on July 17, 2019, 04:20:52 PM
I think this is not possible, the fee used to pay miners confirms your transaction. I think they will want to receive ETH and not some token