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I would like to open this topic since para mas maging aware tayong lahat kung sino ang susunod at posibleng merit source para sa ating local. Ang layunin ng thread na ito ay para pagusapan kung sino ang may kakayahan at responsableng merit source. Ang thread na ito ay para na rin magsilbing lugar para sa discussion natin tungkol sa merit source.

Layunin

Upang lahat tayo ay maging aware at masuportahan ang susunod na merit source ng ating local.
Para mapag-usapan ang mga taong posible at may kakayahan para hindi tayo mabigla na may magpapasa nalang ng application.
Isa ito sa mga pangangailangan ng ating lokal kaya't marapat lamang siyang pagusapan.

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It's been 2 months na simula nung nagkaroon tayo ng sariling merit source dito sa ating Local Board which is @cabalism13. Since, isa sa mga layunin natin para sa local board ay mapaganda at umabot sa standard, syempre hindi mawawala ang merits na magsisilbing motivation sa mga quality poster ng ating local.  Kaya ko na-open 'tong topic na ito upang pagusapan naman kung sino ang posible at kung may ma-nominate kayong tao na may kakayahan bilang maging merit source.

Hindi kasama sa layunin ko ang magmadali para sa susunod na merit source. Ang tanging layunin nito ay para pagusapan ang katangitanging tao sa pag-apply bilang pangalawang merit source ng Pilipinas. Hindi ko rin pinipilit lahat pero alam kong mas makakabuti ito lalo na sa lahat ng may pake pa sa ating local board. Ang discussion na ito ay posibleng tumagal ng ilang araw o buwan sapagkat tao ang paguusapan kaya't masasabi kong hindi ito pagmamadali at ito ay para sa kapakanan ng ating hinaharap. Uunahan ko na kayo, it's for our future at hindi naman agad agad ang aksyon sa pagpili ng merit source kaya kung meron mang nagtataka at napapaisip kung kailangan ba natin, kung observative kayo sa pinanggalingan niyo, alam niyo na ang sagot. Kung may naisip kayo at karapatdapat na mag-apply bilang merit source, pakilahad at brief description lang kung bakit siya yung napili mo.

Simple fact:
Most of the local boards have 2 or more merit sources, hindi pa kasama don yung mga merit sources ng international section.

I need the presence of all the higher-ups especially the existing merit source regarding sa topic na ito.

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It's an important matter regarding about adding merit source so I quoted it in OP.

Sorry to say this bro, but I don't think we will be needing a new Source for this board... In my stead, I can say I'm pretty effective as a Source of this board but the thing is, the posts which is worthy to be Merited are getting few,...
Just Check this number:

https://i.ibb.co/HrPW3Dk/Screenshot-20190721-094207.png

Everyday, I've been checking this board of ours just to award people with their posts, but simply, I can't reward them by putting up some simple sentences,... Hindi naman sa kailangan gumawa ng nobela or what, sadyang karamihan lang ng nababasa ko ngayon ay tulad nito...

"tama ka kabayan" , "Sang ayon ako", ... Whenever I see those words, nakakawalang gana sa totoo lang...

Kahit pa sabihin na may sariling akong batayan sa pagbibigay ng Merit, I don't think na ganun ako kahigpit, at sa nakikita ko ay tama lamg ang judgement ko pag dating sa mga posts. With the help of DdmrDdmr, I just found a solution for my unspendable sMerits, sa malamang ay mag bigay ako ulit sa mga posts na nabigyan ko na, kesa magbigay ako sa mga hnd naman talaga deserve.

Tulad nga ng sabi ko, kakaunti na naman ang posters dito sa PILIPINAS, kung kaya wala akong makitang bago, I tried to bump my threads para may mapagkaabalahan ang iba ngunit walang pumansin o walang may interes.

P.S. Nasa Pagbabago ngayon ang sagot sa ating kinabukasan, kung kaya naman kung walang pagbabago o walang asenso at pagkakaisa tayong mga Pilipino, wag na tayong umasang may mangyayari sa ating kinabukasan. Hindi tayo "inakay" na naghihintay ng patuka, maaring tigilan natin ito sapagkat nakakadismaya.

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Kung magkaroon man ng pagbabago sa ating board at mangailangan tayo ng Merit Source:
This users whom I've known so far should be fit:

-crwth
-harizen
-mjglqw

There are still quite few user that I can recommend but it will be their decision whether they'll bite the opportunity or not. But that 3 users is what I highly recommend and will support them until the end, not because they're reputed but their judgement on awarding Merits.

Speaking of theyoungmillionaire, AFAIK, he doesn't want to be bothered by such responsibility, based on what we have discussed last time.

Edit 2:

Spending Spree: Done (+50 to Pilipinas Section)

I really appreciate your effort as a merit source and alam kong ginagawa mo lahat pero IMO I don't think the situation about adding merit source depends if you're fulfilling your responsibilities or not. Baka ma-misunderstood mo, Yes you're really doing your job and very effective source ka dito sa ating local board. Kasi sa totoo lang halos lahat naman tayo are capable of applying a merit source kahit sabihin natin kailangan o hindi kailangan. Pero thinking the future of local sa tingin ko kailangan, maybe we see now that we don't need another source pero what about the future? Naisip ko na rin siya before ko gawing topic ito. Kaya sana if ever na hindi na natin kailangan, hindi na rin tayo magrerely sa merits from source of international secs.

Sharing my exp in here, we also don't have merit source that time and for me satisfied na ako kahit walang merit source dahil alam kong kaya ko mag-grind kaya nakaangat. Yun rin yung time na sana ma-accept rin as source si @crwth at sinuportahan namin kasi naisip ko rin yung makikinabang non which is tayong lahat din. Kasi wala namang maximum ang pagiging source kaya advantage na rin ng local natin if ever na madadagdagan ang merit source natin. :D


Tama ka dyan kabayan. lmao :D

Actually, dati pa na ganyan dito, it really lacks information in the discussion kaya dapat hindi nalang pinapansin yon. Qualified rin naman siyang ma-remove kaya try mong i-report sa mods. I consider it as shitpost tho ;)

Marami na rin akong sMerits pero I don't find someone that satisfies me kasi medyo tumaas na ang standard natin for quality threads. Sa totoo lang ang hirap din i-motivate yung mga beginners na gumawa ng magandang thread na hindi pa nageexist at hindi translated lang. Walang nagstestep-in para gumawa ng magandang thread, they all just wanna do an easy way.



I also recommend @crwth since siya talaga ang pinakauna and still hoping until now na maaccept yung application niya. Siguro yung judgement of giving merits and yung no. of sent merits sa local board ang magiging basehan natin sa pagpili.

Anyone can really post their application as a merit source, even you can do that but the final decision will still come from the top and we can’t be sure to have another merit source.

What we need is to have more good conversation dito sa forum, kung saan everyone can speak their thoughts to ask and help people, this is the reason of Local forum. Keep updating everyone, help more people, then ask for something you don’t understand. Merit source is just here to encourage us to do better.

Yes, sa una palang naman talaga we do need good conversation pero sino sino ba ang mga nagiinitiate?
Bakit walang nagiinitiate? If someone will initiate a topic, sobrang common naman na and nakakasawa na rin mag explain ng paulit ulit kasi nga spoonfeeding na rin yung ibang guides dito. We are looking for something extraordinary, yung bago sa atin, yung hindi pa natin nakikita. They can't even reply to this topic https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5167260.0 samantalang basic knowledge lang siya for knowing bitcoin mining.  ???

Kaya andon tayo sa part na we need to encourage and motivate them to create topics where we can develop a good and pleasant conversation. That's why for me, having a merit source serves as a great factor for having one. It's really obvious naman na sobrang dead na yung local natin. Kahit may complex na informations silang makita, tinatamad silang intindihin. Like what @cabalism said, puro nalang si kabayan ang nakikita.  :D

Actually that's a great topic you created, pero sobrang hirap kase talaga piliting yung mga tao na magcomment sa isang topic na hinde naman sila interesado kaya siguro hinde masyadong active ang local board naten.

With regards to new merit source, I think the application of crwth is still pending or got no response at all so if may magtatangka ulit na mag apply I'm sure naman na magiging supportive tayo dito.

The users that you nominated for the next merit source is I think fit for it. crwth, harizen and mjglqw and add also theyoungmillionaire.

Adding a merit source here in our local board is good but I don't think that is the first thing to do right now. If you can see, there are only few of our countrymen here that are active in the discussions in our board.

I don't we need merit sources at this moment but what we need now is active users. Our sMerits are being distributed to the same users because only few are posting in our thread which is a bit sad for me. There are many Filipino users here in the forum but only few of them are interacting in their local board.

One thing more, anybody can apply to become a merit source but the question is what threads will he post in his application. Most of the topics that are created here are common already although it is helpful for the newbies but I think it is not merit worth (for me). Anyway, I'm not against adding another merit source here but I want the local board to be more active at least :D.

I am thinking of these 3 people:

• crwth (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=914465)
• theyoungmillionaire (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1180530)
• GreatArkansas (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1164368)

The responsibility of a local merit source is a bit tiresome. He/she does not only regularly read posts made by local members who are by the hundreds, but also assesses them whether or not they are deserving of a merit. It is not enough that you have found a single great post and give it a merit, because it could be that it may be a good post but way out of the topic being discussed, or perhaps a great post but not really responding to what the OP is asking. So you will have to go through the entire conversation, if possible. Moreover, a lot of posts are great but if you try to scroll up, they are merely based on a post/s already made by someone else, merely paraphrased. They do not deserve even a single merit for me however great their posts appear.

It is also much preferable that a merit source is also one who is posting well-informed, constructive, and on-topic posts himself. Otherwise, it is very ironic or even unacceptable that a merit source is also a poor and arrogant poster.

And so I think it is best if such responsibility is shared by more than one merit source. The names I mentioned above are obviously quality posters. But of course I'm not sure if they are open to accept such burden, except crwth because he himself applied for it.



Don't get offended, my friend. This is all for the betterment of our board.


I agree that the posts which are worth giving merits to are very few. Sometimes, visiting the local board is even sad because the last post you read when you leave is still the same last post you are reading when you get back after several hours. There are only a handful of hot threads as well.

Where have all the Pinoys gone?  ???

Am not :) , I'm just saying that, I'm a bit enough for the meantime and from what'ss happening right now it doesn't guarantee that we will be granted another source.

Yeah, mahihirapan tayo magkaroon ng isa pang Merit Source kung ang Local naman naten is hinde gaanong kaactive.
Actually kahit isa lang ang Merit Source naten sa ngayon may mga foreign users naman like DS who are willing to contribute in this local board, naappreciate nya ang mga post naten (Dipa naman ako nakakareceived, haha).

Cabalism's point on this topic is precise. Looking at the current board situation it is pretty obvious that he is been doing his job pero it is too hard for him to decide if San i grant ang mga merits.

Yes, in the future we might need it but for now sobrang alat ng magagandang usapan dito sa board ngaun. What we need right now is more quality poster rather than a source as agaib Cabalism is still functioning well. I will only pursue with this suggestion soon if cabalism can no longer handle the load ng magagandang posts that deserves a merit.

If there is a good candidate for it. I don't know if youngmillionaire and cwth are already a source but I believe this 3 is enough right now

Let's be simple.
There will be good effects and negative effects pag madadagdagan ang merit source.
Para sa akin lang to ha. Ito lang ang aking magiging opinyon  ;)

Possible negative effects

• Madaming masasayang na source merit.
  (Naka depende ito sa magiging basehan ni Merit Source kung anong klaseng posts ang gusto niyang bigyan ng merit)
• Expect more spam posts/off-topic posts/shit posts dahil posibli na mapipilitan na lang yung ibang merit source na mag bigay kahit shitpost.
  (Kasi diba every 30days nag re-refill ang source merit at ang di nagamit ay mawawala lang)
• Merit buying/selling
• Account farming

Possible positive effects

• Madami ang magiging active sa local natin.
• Madami ang mag rarank-up
• Optional: Madami magiging quality active member with quality posts

Feel free to add  ;)
Halos mga connected lang mga bawat opinyon ko about jan, just my 2 cents, make sense na lang..

Kahit nga yung unang merit source natin nagrereklamo wala na gaanong quality posts na deserved bigyan ng merit. Aanhin natin yung madaming source merit kung walang karapat dapat bigyan, magbubunga lang talaga yan ng pinsala if gagamitin yun sa mga masama like selling/buyng merit.

Para sa akin kahit hindi ka merit source ay makakatulong ka pa din magpakalat ng merit (lalo na sa board natin, basta siyempre dun lng sa deserving na posts), lalo ako parang overall ko na na send na merits ay kadamihan dito sa local board natin.

Yes that's a possibility, but the bulleted points haven't got any massive effect on the local board natin even @cabalism has been chosen na maging isang merit source, I'm guessing na kahit mapili pa ang pangalawa the outcome will be the same unless another good-paying signature campaign will pop up na promote local sections IMHO.

Kaya ang ginagawa ko kung may nakuha man akong mga sMerits from other boards I am making sure some of those be spent here rather hoarding them but sad to say it is really few kaya minsan kahit ang isang topic na nasendan ko na minsan nasendan ko parin or humanap ng ibang user that deserving of those sMerits.

Marami na nagsabi na hindi kailangan ng panibagong merit source at well explained din naman yung dahilan.

No offense sa existing merit source natin but I think yung isang purpose ng dagdag na merit source ay magkaroon ng ibang perspective pagdating sa kung ano ang merit worthy post. Naalala niyo pa ba nung nagpaulan si @Darkstar_ dito? Ang daming nagka-merit na hindi nabigyan dati. Let's admit it, hindi natin maiiwasan ang maging subjective kung nararapat bang mabigyan ng merit ang isang post.

I already came up to those advantages/positive effects at siguro naman kahit sinong tao maiisip yung disadvantage or advantages of adding another merit source sa current situation natin diba? It's quite obvious.  :D

Like what I've said.

Let's not be negative to our situation na baka ma-hoard lang yung sMerits, na-mention ko rin naman sa main topic na hindi naman ngayon, for future purposes.


It doesn't mean na naghahanap ng possible merit source ay ngayon na siya mag-aapply. So are we sure that we didn't need to add someone in the near future? How did they predict those? What's the probability of having the same situation pagdating ng susunod na taon? no one knows.
So what about last time? Did the local really needs a merit source kung ang mga moderators at higher-ups natin ay nagbibigay ng merits? Even the highest merit receiver @theyoung is sharing his/her sMerits here in the local board.

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Agree.  ;D


And that's what we need to talk about. We're in a big community here, depende nalang kung ayaw makipagcoordinate ng iba because they have a different circle of friends here in bitcointalk.

Hindi ako pamilyar kung ano ang minimum requirements sa pag-apply as merit source pero tingin ko pwede si mjglqw
Marami ako nababasang kumento niya at maayos siya mag-latag ng reply pero ewan ko lang kung isa yun sa mga quality. 

I have nothing against sa paghahanap ng candidate pero baka ayaw naman nila yung dagdag responsibilidad. Sino-sino na ba ang nag-sumite para maging merit source maliban kay crwth?


Off-topic lang - may nababasa akong kumento tungkol sa kalidad ng post o reply dito at maaring toto nga. Hindi kaya maganda kung maliban sa pagpuna ay simulan din natin mag-post ng mga unique at high quality?

IMO, mas kailangan ang active posters dito sa board than merit sources. Pero hindi lang basta active kundi pati yung quality posters. But looking on the other side of the equation, pwede nating iapply yung kasabihan na "beauty is in the eye of the beholder." Aminin na natin na hindi pare-pareho ang taste natin sa mga bagay-bagay.

Same goes with posts here. Yung iba, pasok sa standards natin; yung iba hindi. So, IMO again, it would also be helpful kung may madadagdag sa ating merit source. Kasi for sure, may pagkakaiba din ang batayan nya/nila sa batayan ni @cabalism13. Kung hindi man mangyari agad-agad, malamang ay sa tamang panahon. ;D As of now, my fellow kababayans, pabilibin muna natin ang ating merit source para maipamahagi na nya ang merits na meron sya sa mga karapatdapat. :D Let's do this!

This is the requirements to become a merit source as posted by theymos.

Wala na ata sa pagkakaalam ko. I think one reason kaya walang nag aaply dito dahil walang maisumite na meritable posts galing dito sa local section.

That might be because I don't actually speak the language and have a lot more sMerits than cabalism13 so I can be more careless when sending merits.

Both sides got their good points. Tama si finaleshot2016 for pursuing to have our local board a new merit source kasi pra naman talaga ito sa future ng board natin. Kung may karapat dapat naman talaga then I think there's nothing wrong for grabbing the opportunity, right? He/She would be another pride of our country if ever man and besides mas mapapabilis nito ang pagdistribute ng smerits which is okay for me. May kasabihan nga tayo, "The more, the merrier." :). 

On the other hand, tama din naman si cabalism13 for pointing out that we don't even need a new merit source right now because the real issue here is the lack of productive posters. Well, totoo naman sinasabi nya. Napapansin ko rin na tumatamlay na naman ang Local board natin but I never lose hope as long as may nakikita akong nage-excel.

Instead na mamili lang ng isa, why don't we inspire all of our fellow to make even more quality posts and encourage someone deserving out there to pass a merit source application? I guess wala namang mawawala, actually win-win situation pa nga ;D. Anyway, aside from the members you suggested, I think asu (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=519783) or sheenshane (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1179651) might be a good choice as well (just my own opinion).

Huwag naman sana kabayan, alam ko naman maraming existing mediocre posts dito and most of them are really a product of lazy members with "Okay na yan, basta may post" attitude but I still do believe na marami pa din sa mga kababayan natin na nageexert talaga ng effort. It just happens that most of them got the same perspective or hindi lang masyado magaling sa grammar that's why their posts seem spam/shitpost.

Hanggat maaari talaga ayoko rin magreport ng kababayan natin because I felt betrayal. So ang ginagawa ko na lang ay nagbibigay ng tips/advice and wishing na hindi na nila uulitin yun. Pero kung talagang sumosobra na or the mistake he committed is definitely punishable then doon pa lang ako nagrereport. Let's be more compassionate and understanding mga kabayan :).

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So it means that you are not really a Filipino but a foreigner who can understand our language? Honestly, I'm getting confused right now because I thought you were from the very beginning lol.

(Sorry for the off topic)

The power of Google Translate! I'm actually Chinese-Canadian (can't read or write Chinese though :-\) and I've been hanging around a few different local sections on the forum.

I don't know but I'm just happy that a foreigner and a reputable person like you are active in our local section (or at least replying to some of our posts here). There are some of our countrymen here who are not interacting with us and that is a disappointment for some. Only a few people that are outside of our country are interacting here. I hope other high ranked users here can join in our local section too :D

I agree with this, more merit source is better but with respect to OP, I don't think this topic is still necessary, a member who thinks he can help the community as a merit source would be willing to apply as a merit source, if Theymos approve, well and good, but it's up to the merit source to decide which posts he should merit.

@finaleshot2016, I suggest you apply because you are active here, and I tell you, I will support your application.


I hope cloudbet signature campaign will be back soon.

Is that you Changpeng Zhao?

Nice meeting you here!  ;D

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Edit: This thread is rather "dark". @darklus123, @DarkStar_, @Darker45. Watch out for possible merit swapping! ;D

No, DarkStar_ is something like a chingchong (https://youtu.be/bhqKEmfXejw), popping out from nowhere and suddenly plays his game... Then suddenly leaves when you're at it.

The fact that he's on every local, then this best describes him :P (but so far he isn't that annoying unlike those chingchongs)

I would not really say na walang meritable post, siguro wala lang oras maghanap. Sa nakikita ko subjective yung nilatag na guide ni Theymos "that have not received nearly enough merit for how good they are". Pwede natin gamitin ang case ni @Nakamura12 na na-promote recently to full member after submitting his posts sa isang merit giveaway thread (30+ merits yata nakuha nya).

 
Thank you for hanging around our local board. 

Ah, I see. Welcome to our little local board, I hope you are enjoying and learning new things during your visit here :).
Chill bro, DarkStar_ might get triggered. Buti andito tayo sa loob ng local board natin kasi for sure maraming Chinese keyboard warriors ang mangba-bash sayo dyan sa labas. Ayaw mo naman siguro ma-ban dito kagaya na lamang ng nangyari kay Kuku sa Chingchong ay este Chongqing Major, right? Lmao ;D (jk, peace!).

P.S. Pardon me, for my off topic reply

Meh. Most of the chinese gamers (means not all) are like that (cheaters, quitters, feeders noobs). Even got a friend whose a chinese pero badtrip sya sa mga kapwa nya chinese, haha. Also, I don't think DarkStar_ will be triggered, he already said he wasn't able to speak and understand the language (I think I might misinterpret reading and writing to speak and understand, so advance sorry if I'm wrong ) :)


Anyways, a lot more thanks to him for staying here, just like what he said he has so many sMerits to spend compared to my stash so I can't be wasting any of it. (Not telling he's wasting... Just telling that I can't give as many as he can... :) )

I'm a Filipino-Canadian-German mix (wouldn't know for sure if that's pure Canadian running in my bloodstream), and oddly enough I can understand Cyrillic languages and some strokes of the Hangul (Korean) and Kanji (Japanese). There's something eerily different from Mandarin that I can't really learn while on paper (and most history textbooks), they say that the writings of the Japs came directly from the Chinese but yeah, I just can't.

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Anyway though back to the topic. Nag-aaggree ako na kailangan natin ng bagong source para sa board na ito. Yung metikulosong pumili ng mga karapat-dapat bigyan ng merit at hindi yung dahil sa kakilala lang etc etc para na rin mabigyan tayo lalo ng pansin sa forum na ito. Marami sa atin ang marurunong sa larangan ng cryptocurrency, although sadly karamihan e tumitigil dahil hindi nabibigyan ng sapat na suporta mula sa sarili nilang komunidad.

Tulungan sana natin i-empower ang bawat isa sa pag-angat. Sang-ayon ako sa bagong merit source para sa ating local board.

I'll assume google translate works well since your response is on point  :D

In a way, your response also supports the call to have another merit source since @cabalism13 has limited sMerits and that restricts him to his standards of what posts/comments should be given merit/s.

Same goes with me kaya nga hindi ko nalang din pinapansin kasi dumaan rin tayo diyan sa pagshi-shitpost when we're lack of ideas kung paano nga ba gumawa ng magandang discussion. If obvious na shitpost naman talaga and sobrang walang sense(makikita mo naman sa pagconstruct kahit tagalog), it's already punishable. Sa totoo lang may kakilala nga ako na nabigyan ng red tag from a DT1 because of shitposting so it's better to report the post kaysa mas worst yung mangyari sa kanila, doon mo masasabing caring ka talaga sa iba nating kabayan. :D


At least someone really gets my point. Thanks!
BTW, I'm very glad to see an active thread like this again, thanks for the response of my fellow kabayans! I hope na magkaroon ng ganito ulit as much as possible kasi mas interesting ang mga discussions when it's written on your own language.


There are reputable members here that are better than me but thanks because you trust me and willing to support me!~ Appreciated!  ;)

Obserba ko lang to mga bossing kaya nawawala na din mga poster dito sa local board natin ay dahil simula ng bumagsak ang BTC at dumami scam sa bounties ay halos tumigil na yung iba nating kababayan na sumabay sa agos ng crypto at umaasang yumaman tapos nadagdagan pa ng merit system dito sa forum na iniisip ng iba ay sobrang hirap makakuha para tumaas rank.

Sad to say tama ang sinabi ni cabalism13 dito, hindi naman basta basta tayo bibigyan ng mga higher ups ng isa pang merit source pagka hindi nila nakita mismo na ganun ka-active ang board natin. Yes pwede tayo mag nominate but it doesn't mean that they will be automatically elected still theymos needs to see that our local board is active enough to handle two or more merit sources. Quality and activity talaga mag papataas ng demand dun and di naman tayo mawawalan ng mga worthy merit sources dito kaya dapat yung board natin mismo ang babaguhin.

I have a suggestion for OP, since not everyone can express their opinion here, I guess creating a poll would help to determine the voice of the community if we really need one or not. I would like to repeat again that I agree with a new merit source but I'll look to it if I can support the application.

Dami ko pala stock na source. Ayan, nagbigay muna ako for today.
joke lang, hindi ako merit source

Upon reading sa local board natin, yes, hindi pa natin need another merit source for now. Pero ang purpose lang naman nang topic na ito is for future use, so, mas okay na din na open lang ang topic na ito just incase need na natin nang isa pa. Madami pang pwedeng mangyari at bawat oras ay nagbabago, parang local board lang natin, minsan flooded nang magagandang topic or replies, minsan wala ni isa.

Thanks for understanding and supporting it.

We should foresee those kind of things kasi hindi naman talaga tayo nasa isang permanenteng sitwasyon. Everything can changed as @theyoungmillionaire said so we can use this thread as a basis kung sino talaga yung sa tingin niyong responsable at reputable member ng local board. Actually, kaya ko rin naisip to ay para ma-avoid yung merit circulation within sa trusted people lang. So ayon, balang araw makakatulong 'tong thread na to for the betterment of our local board.


Paambon.  :D

Looking at the current situation. Alam naman natin na medyo tahimik ang ating board compared sa iba pero hindi ko parin gets kung bakit kailangan natin ng panibagong merit source? Just like Cabalism said, most of the post here are not merit worthy at mukhang hindi naman ito mag babago kung sakaling madagdagan pa tayo ng merit source. Nasa tao naman kung gusto nila i-improve ang mga post nila.

Sa nakikita ko, mukhang hindi naman nagkakaroon ng shortage sa merit ngayon dahil nga sa kakulangan ng quality post sa board natin at hindi lang naman si cabalism ang nagbibigay ng merit dito. At isa pa, paanong dadami ang magiging active poster sa local natin? Hindi naman basehan ang activity ng isang member sa pagkakaroon ng merit, sa kalidad naman ng kanyang post(quality over quantity). Lalo pa ngang mahihirapan ang mga merit source dahil sa sobrang haba ng kanilang s-skrolin para lang makahanap ng quality post.

Agree naman ako Sayo OP na may pagka-bias din minsan ang mga namimigay ng mga merits pero satingin ko kakailanganin lang natin ng isa pang merit source kung sakaling nagkakaroon na talaga tayo ng merit shortage dito sa board natin. Kung worthy talaga ang post nila, magkakaroon at magkakaroon ito ng merit . Opinyon ko lang naman ito.

 

"Just like what others said", okay pero did you read my the other statements regarding those?
Pero yun nga, for future purposes nalang talaga and we already came up to the point na may tama yung pro and may tama rin yung con.

Is there any con that will disagree and make a proof that we really don't need another merit source even in the near future? If there are, I might lock this topic right now.


Yes, that's why hindi rin ako basta basta nagbibigay kasi kung ako nga kaya kong gumawa at aralin yung mga topic na sobrang complex, I think kaya rin ng iba diba? And logically hindi naman basehan sa activity talaga para magbigay ng merits, sa mga posts that has good contents even it's simple statements or not.

So let me give you a boost, though even if I give you +10 for that it won't be questionable as you really deserve to be a Legendary, what you only have to do now is to make activities in this forum. I really appreciate your works especially your reports,... You really did well my friend. If only I were'nt saving my sMerits I could have give you +50 so you can award users too that I can't see,...
Truly you're one of the biggest pride of this Pilipinas Section. As I wish back then, I hope that you'll find any interests that will make you apply as a source.

Yes, its good to have a poll pero sana lahat magparticipate kase we know naman tayo tayo lang den ang mga nacocomment dito. We need a new merit source, yung willing to help the forum and our local board kase we know naman na its a big responsibility and di naman natin pwedeng pilitin sila na mag apply. Only Crwth has the pending application right now, if my willing na iba support naten.  :)

Just don't lock this thread. At least some of our threads here are being bumped by some members here and aside from that, we can continuously interact with each other and share our opinions thru this kind of threads.

He is indeed one of the most reputable users in our local and he has contributed too much in this forum already so he gained many merits. Maybe if he is more active, he can be our third moderator of our Local section :D. Anyway, he is eligible to be a merit source in my opinion but the problem is what threads can he propose so that he can be a merit source. I hope theyoungmillionaire will be more active now :D.

The lazy kid is hanging around on telegram, he's quite busy on his business, though I was a bit shock from what he's doing recently but now I'm well aware of those things so bringing him back here will take a lot of his time. But there might a chance..."a signature campaign that pays 0.2 per week" he said. and that means.... Impossible 😂

Hello,
I’ll bring this topic up at mag engage ng few more discussions pa if necessarily pa ba magkaroon tayo ng another Merit Source.

First, tignan natin na imahe(tagalog na tagalog) ang Total Merit Distribution ng mga kani-kanilang Local Board.
https://i.postimg.cc/3xg3VLLp/AA3-A37-C9-4-E1-A-4220-AE83-0-F250-B087367.jpg (https://postimg.cc/CRxyf4pL)source: https://albertoit.github.io/Merit-Explorer-SQL/
Personally nagbabasa lang ako dito at pinapakinggang ko lang muna yung mga bawat opinion ng Philippinian Bros (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5141736.msg51989673#msg51989673) dahil wala ngang sapat na details para sabihin natin na kung ”do we need it today” or ”do we need it in the future”

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Second, tignan naman natin thru activity of Total Posts and Topics.
Русский (Russian)
4528531 Posts
120424 Topics

Türkçe (Turkish)
868450 Posts
36809 Topics

Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian)
1039398 Posts
12347 Topics

Deutsch (German)
474075 Posts
25689 Topics

Français
221804 Posts
12265 Topics

Italiano (Italian)
262350 Posts
16018 Topics

Pilipinas
253514 Posts
9949 Topics

Look at the Total Topics na meron ang Indonesian compare to us maliit lang yung difference. And look at the activity of Total Posts naman “1039398 Posts” to us “253514 Posts” see the difference? kulang nga talaga tayo sa activity and decent quality posts kaya kung titignan merong mga nasa top 100 ang mga indonesian and top 2 merit sender na si dbshck. Let’s go for the improvement Philippinian Bros (credits Logitechmouse)

Question: Do we need another merit source? do you believe in the (near) future na kailanganin natin ng isa pang merit source?

Side note: Please take a look to the all details I provided and now express your opinion.

Side note: Bug yung atin na dalawa ang lumabas kaya basically i-add na lang both and ayun yung total merit na meron tayo.

In my opinion. Yes we need it today soon as possible na kung pwede magkaroon tayo ng isa pa or isa pang alternative way na kung hindi pa ngayon pwede tayo mag request ng additional (+) merit allocation na meron ang ating merit source ngayon. That’s what I see na magiging best solution.

I'll add that to my OP,  para makita nila yung data and mabasa agad kung ano ba talaga ang punto ng thread. Thanks
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Personally, Sasabihin ko rin side ko to make it more understanding para sa iba. Ito yung mga questions ko na naiisip ko through this situation natin.

Do you think it's worthy to receive a little amount of merits kung yung topic mo is pinag-effortan mo ng todo at inaral mo talaga?

Do you think fair yung distribution if same lang kayo ng narereceive na merit kung ikaw pinagisipan mo yung thread while others ay similar lang sa iba? (same reference)

I don't have a problem with that kahit small amount of merits lang ma-receive ko, pero sa iba okay lang ba? Ang concern ko lang is may mga nakikita rin kasi akong nagtitiyaga pero hindi nano-notice natin, I admit it, Isa rin ako sa iilan na hindi makita yung mga topic na magaganda dahil tamad mag-browse pero sa totoo lang may mga deserving rin naman talaga bigyan ng sobra sobrang merit. It's kinda biased if may ganon kasi nangyayari kaya lately naisip ko na rin mamigay ng 3 merits (kasi yun lang kaya ko) sa mga makakagawa ng thread na may complex information sa sinuggest ko dito:


Kasi yan yung makakatulong sa atin, hindi yung sa BTC lang tayo nagfofocus. Try to learn something different kasi madaming pwede pang malaman about BTC. As much as possible, pag gusto ko yung sinabi or topic, malaki yung binibigay ko pag maraming sMerits na available. Since may circulation naman tayo ng merits dito, walang problema para magbigay. Doon rin nag-develop sarili ko, nung nakareceive ako ng first merit dito sa local, it gives me motivation to do better.

Ang proposal dati is to have another merit source kaso ang con walang mapapagbigyan ng merits.

What if baliktarin natin? What if more merits? Since opportunity ang magkaroon ng merit source kasi wala namang limit, tayo na rin siguro mag-initiate. Siguro mas maraming gaganahan lalo gumawa ng threads, and the cause of it more active users. I hope hindi niyo ma-misunderstood dahil para sa atin rin naman ito, mas maraming makikinabang.

Ouch! medyo imposible na nga ;D. Well, marami pa namang natitirang nagseserve as leaders dito sa board natin kagaya na lamang ninyo so okay pa rin. The thing that matters the most for me naman ay mai-maintain lang ang cleanliness and peacefulness dito. So I would like to thank all of your time and efforts for making our local board a better place.

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Based on the table presented, we can see that the Top 6 most active countries were also the same Top 6 when it comes to merit distribution which for me is not surprising to know kasi kapag mas marami ang post dapat lang marami din ang magsi-circulate na merits. What I unusually noticed here is the fact that we're Top 7 in most active country in this forum but we ranked lower sa merit distribution (just Top 11). I presume na mas less active ang mga Spanish, Portuguese, Chinese and Croatian yet they distributed more merits compare to us. Why? Maaring hindi masyado choosy ang mga nasabing banyaga pagdating sa pagsend ng smerits, mas maraming qualty discussions out there na deserve bigyan ng merits, or sadyang marami silang merit source. Hmm miski ako hindi ko rin masabi kung ano ba talaga ang reason but one thing is for sure, there is an imbalance and it is not healthy at all.

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Honestly, medyo unfair talaga pero tanggapin na lang natin na ganun. Wala naman kasing detailed written standard (like a pointing system) sa kung gaano ba karaming merit ang nararapat lamang ibigay sa isang post/thread. It all depends on the sender after all.

IT ka siguro ;D. Anyway, I understand kabayan if until now wala ka pa ring mahanap na kapwa natin na may ganyang post kasi medyo complicated yung karamihan or hindi kaya ay sadyang yung topics are not in line sa field ng iba nating kababayan (like in my case, more on engineering ang alam ko) so konting patience pa. Ngayong nabasa na nila 'tong post mo malay mo nagreresearch na sila para makagawa ng informative thread with such topics kasi alam nila na posible mo itong bigyan ng merit. Who knows :)?
IMO effective ito sa tingin ko dahil pwede natin ito maihambing sa Incentive Theory (https://www.verywellmind.com/the-incentive-theory-of-motivation-2795382). Yung presence ng mga merit source and yung hopes na baka mabigyan din sila mg merits ay form ng reward, thus, mas maiinspire ang mga kababayan natin na mag post.

@dbshck always send 4 merits at imagine namimigay pa siya sa international section and even here sa local board kasi may mga existing threads ako kahit yung dati pa ay nabibigyan niya ng merits. So I would like to thank him also for lending us some help and I know na andyan siya lagi para tumulong satin. :D


Since tayo na yung mga may alam at mas nakakataas, I think tayo na rin mag-engage ng mga quality discussions to avoid shitthreads/shitposts. Since nasa atin na rin ang standard, sana tayo na rin magsimula to have good threads. We are always saying na wala ng mabibigyan ng merits 'cause we don't have enough quality threads that have quality discussion, what do they call themselves? pare-parehas lang tayong quality poster here na may standard, syempre we're one of those people na makikinabang. Other local boards have a lot of merit source kasi nga free lang naman mag-apply, it's an opportunity that we should grab. We have the ability to change those rankings kung ang thinking natin is may consideration sa lahat, not only by ourselves.  ;)

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All of us has the ability to send because we have sMerits, so some people asking kung paano maibibigay yung merits at masasayang lang daw kung wala ng nagpopost, gumagawa ng threads or wala ng active? then what do you call yourselves? Ang dami na rin nating quality poster, even here in this discussion, lahat ng arguments and opinions niyo, welcome sa thread ko and I know all of you deserve sMerits kasi you've participated in this discussion. You can receive more merits naman, wala naman tayong minimum sa pagbibigay ng sMerits. We can give them more depende sa deserve nilang sMerits. So my point here is walang masasayang na sMerits sa atin, sadyang tayo mismo ang gumawa ng standard na +1 lang ay okay na.


I don't think we can accept that fact kasi effort ang pinaguusapan and I know that all of us don't want to waste the efforts lalo na kapag motivated and hyped ka na for discussion tas mapuputol lang because no one appreciated the thing you shared. Walang written standard at imposibleng magkaroon non kasi free will natin ang mag-send kahit kanino at kung ilan pero I think lahat naman tayo nakakapagisip at maiisip if someone deserve more merits than others.

Should I differentiate between a quality thread and a normal thread? Para malaman natin kung fair ba tayo or not. :D


That's not complicated, all of them are in google, syempre spoonfeeding if ako pa magbibigay ng links for them diba? If we can access bitcointalk.org then I think we have also the ability to read english websites. If they can post in Bitcoin Discussion, it means they have the ability to speak in english also. We have helping hand tools like Grammarly for grammar check at sa local naman natin hindi required ang english so they can post it in tagalog. I'm still hoping na may mabibigyan akong mga tao na gagawa ng threads according to my suggested topics or maybe then can create something different kasi stated ko rin naman sa list na something new. Lastly, the most important thing is I'm not an IT, web developing and programming are just part of my skill. Even it's just a course, I think that is considered confidential. :D


Ganyan naman kasi lahat ng tao, we need something that will make us motivated para mas gumaling, kaya nga sabi ko since tayo yung nakakataas why don't we start the change? If hindi talaga gumana edi wala tayong pag-asa, at least we tried. Also, we shouldn't think personal desires if we really wanted to help others especially our local board right?

Kasi nga hindi rin naman lahat gifted dito, they need inspiration and motivation para mas mag-develop sila.

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I'm waiting for cons to my arguments. This discussion is getting more active, I'm very glad tho.

gandang araw po sa mga alamat na dito sa bitcointalk ang haba na ng nabasa ko dito at napapansin ko na parang nagdedebate sa tungkol sa merit, ibig sabihin mahalaga ang merit sa bawat kasapi ng forum na ito. sa sarili ko lang pananaw kung ang merit ay wala naman katumbas na halaga sa pera natin bakit hindi na lamang bigyan ng merit kahit isa o dalawang merit ang mga newbie na katulad ko? At syempre po igagaling ko rin ang patakaran dito na ang merit ay dapat lang na ibigay sa mga taong karapatdapat bigyan ng naturang merit. gandang araw po muli.

No, Top 7 tayo overall sa merit distribution per country dahil nasa 4,129 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5169636.msg51976850#msg51976850) na ang meron tayong na distribute na merit since the implementation of merit system, just try to understand it again and yung side note kasi may bug sa pic na yan kaya pagsamahin na lang yung “Philippine at Pilipinas”.

You’re right mas less active yung mga nabanggit mo na country compare to us pero eto ang pinagkaiba even na mababa lang activity ng Total Posts and Total Topics na meron sila still ang taas pa din na merit distribution nila so far.

Croatian
38118 Posts
1734 Topics
2,246 - Total sMerit Distributed

Pilipinas
253675 Posts
9954 Topics
4,129 - Total sMerit Distributed

Dalawang reason bakit:

• Top 1 merit sender ng croatian na si RegulusHr (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=RegulusHr) ay na banned pero still kahit na lacking sila sa activity mataas pa din yung merit distribution nila.
• Tayo naman lacking sa merit allocation na meron ang merit source natin kasi ang 40 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5167240.msg51895078#msg51895078) ay hindi sapat kung mamarapatin dahil dumadami na ang mga merit worthy na mga post and topic na meron tayo kaya I stated sa simula na ang best solution ay magkaroon ng isa pang merit source or maaring pwedeng magkaroon ng (+) additional na monthly merit allocation yung nakukuha ng merit source natin.

And it all depends sa sMerit na meron sila.

Madami naman sender dito to be honest pero still paano tayo makaka motivate or makakatulong na yung mga detaild posts at topics ay parehas lang nakukuha.



Hello,
Take time to read this one muna [Filipino Guide] Ang Bitcointalk Merit System (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4544266.msg40904432#msg40904432).

Within top 7 pa pala tayo pagdating sa merit circulation sa lagay na yan. Mukhang masarap pakinggan pero iba na kapag nakita yung ibang detalye, layo ng gap.   

Regardless of the stats, my stand on whether or not our local needs a new merit source remains.

Habang binabasa ko ang buong content, masasabi ko lang na kailangan natin ng merit source.

Katulad nga ng sinabi ng karamihan ay isa ito sa mga opportunity na dapat natin ginagrab habang nandyan pa at libre. Hindi ko lang din lubos maisip ang hangarin ng iba kung bakit sila hindi sumasangayon sa pagdaragdag ng merit source, dahil ba ito sa personal na bagay?

Sa forum ko dati, meron din kaming pointing system sa mga bawat opinyon o pahayag at mas marami ang nakukuhang points ang isang pahayag na may punto at malinis ang konteksto. Ang mga pahayag naman na may baon na facts at nasa punto ay nararapat rin bigyan ng puntos sapagkat pinagaralan niya talaga ang kanyang pahayag. Sa pagkakaalam ko ay ganon naman ang forum, ang magbigay ng matinding pahayag na may malakas na punto.

Since bago ako dito, matanong ko lang kung ang 1 merit ay sapat na para isang pahayag na may punto at mas higit sa lahat ang sinabi? Nacurious nalang din ako sa ibang board kung ganon rin ba ang bigayan sa kanila. Kung ang paguusapan lang ay ang pagbibigay ng merits, tunay na mas mataas ang mga binibigay ng merit source sa ibang board. Katulad nga ng nabanggit ko sa first post ko kung meron bang unfairness na nagaganap dito ay masasabi ko na rin na oo sapagkat sabi ng iba na ang ibang topic ay isa lamang translated. Bilang isang may karanasanan, ang content ay mahirap talaga gawin lalo na yung may tunay na konteksto at nakakatulong talaga. Ayoko maka-offend pero ako mismo na nakapansin na hindi nga patas ang nangyayari dito at sana'y kahit baguhan lang ako, makatanggap rin ako ng mga merits sapagkat ang ganitong klaseng pagpapahayag ay matuturing na nating isang ambag sa diskusyon.

Nung una akala ko active na ang philippines local board kasi maraming post ngunit para sa iba ay hindi na pala ito active dahil paulit ulit nalang ang post. Sangayon din ako na kung gusto ng pagbabago ay mararapat na sila rin ang magsimula dahil sila ang nakakataas.

Karamihan din ay mga topic na hindi naman related sa crypto pero ay maraming pumapabor na bigyan ng merit source, therefore I conclude bilang isang baguhan ay hindi maayos ang komunidad natin.

Hindi naman siguro sa personal na bagay kundi sa kanya-kanyang opinyon. Isa sa main argument kaya hindi pa daw kailangan is kulang sa activity or quality posts/comments.


Sa totoo lang, wala naman talagang standard sa kung anong topic ang nararapat bigyan ng merit. May kanya-kanya batayan ang bawat isa kung ano sa tingin niya ang nararapat mabigyan at kung ilan ang ibibigay.


Maliban sa bitcoin at altcoin thread, wala pa kasing childboard para sa mga non-crypto post. Hindi pa daw kailangan ayon sa ating local moderator. Pero kung isama mo mga naunang post, mas marami pa din ang mga crypto-related.

Sana nga lang ganon. Kung kulang ang mga activity sa ating komunidad, marapat ay alamin muna natin ang dahilan kung bakit. Hindi dapat ang mga  mas bago katulad ko ang siyang mag-aadjust kundi ang mga may abilidad sa ganitong aksyon katulad ng mga may matataas na ranggo at may espesyal na position. Ang iyong argumento ay maituturing kong isa sa mga magandang pahayag sapagkat napunan mo ang mga pagkukulang ko na dapat kong malaman. Marapat na sa bawat ganitong pagpapahayag ay marapat na bigyan, hindi pa ba sapat ang ganitong klaseng pagmumungkahi upang mabigyan?

Kung para sa iba ay hindi, marapat na magkaroon rin tayo ng taong na may malawak na pagintindi at pagunawa sa bawat post na nagagawa at umiikot dito sa ating komunidad.


Ayon sa sistema, lahat ay may kakayahang magbigay ng kahit anong bilang ng merit pero diba mas nanaisin ng iba kung ang matatanggap mong merits ay nakabase sa iyong ginawa. Yan ang pagkakaintindi ko sa kabilang panig. Kung hindi man lang mabigyan ng katarungan ang mga pahayag/thread na pinagtuunan ng pansin ay marapat na magkaroon ng dagdag source upang mapunan ang iba pang pagkukunan. Isa sa mga layunin ay ang makapagbigay ng patas at naaayon sa pagsisikap ng bawat miyembro dito sa ating board, masyado nating pinagtuunan ng pansin na magbigay lang ng magbigay dahil naniniwala ako sa quality over quantity para masabing epektibo ang nasabing posisyon.


Salamat sa iyong pahayag kaibigan. Pero para sa akin ay hindi pwede gawing rason ang kawalan ng child board upang makapag-post ng mga offtopic na pahayag. Ako ay may isang mali rin at yon ang aking naunang post kaya't aking ni-lock ang topic upang hindi na muli pagkaguluhan pa at baka may mabuong issue. Yun ang aking nabasa sa mga rules dito sa ating local at yun ay ginawa ng ating moderator upang sundin.

Another pro that is favor for adding merit source. Your opinions are on point and I'm impressed on your knowledge regarding this situation @Zener Diode. I think you're truly a moderator on a different platform and hoping to share your knowledge in here.

You're on a different level, this is an example of gifted people who already have the learnings before starting the journey. I know it's kinda hard to be like you for a starter but I hope the other beginners should also set a standard on their actions to develop themselves.

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I'm still encouraging more people to discuss the current situation and I'm willing to give more merits for those wonderful statements.

May ideya naman na ang karamihan sa aktibo dito sa lokal kung bakit kulang ang aktibidad sa ating lokal. Napagusapan na ito dati sa ibang thread. Isa na sa mga dahilan ay ang Signature Campaign. Hindi aktibo ang iba dahil hindi bayad ang mga post at kumento nila dito. Hindi magandang pakinggan pero ganun talaga, marami sa mga kababayan natin ang sumali dito para sa kita. Diyan din ako nagsimula.

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Aktibo naman sa tingin ko ang mga moderator sa lokal natin. Kung may nakita kang off-topic, pwede mong i-report at sila na ang bahala dun. May mga non-bitcoin topics din akong nakikita pero hinahayaan lang nila siguro dahil iniipon lang para maging basehan kung ano ang kailangan idagdag na childboard.

Sa tingin ko ay hindi sila magkakaroon ng childboard para sa mga off topic sapagkat kung ngayon ay may problema na sa mga shitposting, mas magkakaroon lang ng shitposting doon. Hindi ko pa alam ang sistema kung paano kumikita ang mga miyembro dito pero sa tingin ko ay magiging daan lang nila yon upang mapadali kumita sapagkat may chance na makonsidera yung mga post off topic upang kumita. Mas mabuti na bitcoin related topics lang ang pwede sa atin sapagkat yun naman din ang punto ng ating pagsubaybay sa forum na ito.

I strongly agree, Kung ang active users na gusto natin ay mahirap makuha, hindi na rin ako siguro pabor para maglagay pa ng childboard about sa off topic because it will cause more casualties like shitposting and spam. For your information, may dalawa kasing klase ng campaign, ang BTC campaign sa  Services, yun ang madalas namin salihan because in favor ang mga campaign manager nila for quality posting. While the other is bounty campaign, mostly mga spam post at puro sa alt coin discussion lagi ang mga post nila. So if ever na magkakaroon lang ng childboard about sa ibang topic, it will just be spammed by bounty participants.

Still, even we lack active users, merits will serve as motivation kaya kahit sabihin mong bihira ka lang mag-post sa local pero kung dito ka naman madalas makareceive ng merits, mas gaganahan ka. Sino ba namang may ayaw makapagrank-up for a higher amount of payment?

I disagree too with adding another childboard here. I don't say that it will cause shitposting and spam since most bounty campaigns doesn't require posting on Locals that much but it will become inactive because of lack of users interacting with each other. Sa altcoin and Bitcoin discussion section, dun mostly nagtatago ang mga spammers na nagpopost ng mga one liners and sad to say, ilan nating kababayan ay dun lang nagpopost. Sa tingin ko hindi madadagdagan ng spam dito sa seksyon natin if may childboard man dahil hindi naman required ng signature bounty campaigns ang magpost sa Local section pero still, magiging inactive to hanggang sa magiging useless.

It will serve but it will be distributed to a number of users here. As I observed, there are only around 10-20 users interacting with each other in the Local section (or maybe more). There are many Philippinan Bro users here but sadly, they are not interacting with us :( for some reasons. To be honest, I think most of my merits came from this section and that is why I'm motivated to post here more often (even my payments in my sig. campaign decreases by a bit).

Lilinawin ko lang, child board para sa mga non-bitcoin posts ang tinutukoy ko kagaya na lamang ng mga usapin na local forum related (usapin sa merits, mungkahi sa local forum improvements, atbp.).

Dapat siguro sa ibang thread na ito pagusapan. Ibang topic na din kasi. Dito siguro mas nararapat https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1348035.0


EDIT: Tungkol sa paraan kung paano kumita dito, maliban sa pagsali sa mga signature at bounty campaigns, peede mo din i-offer mga skills mo kagaya ng paggwa ng signature, escrow, community management services atbp. More on service board https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=52.0

I'll gonna bring this topic up again kasi feel ko need talaga natin ng another merit source.

I need more discussion kasi ang dami ng nagbigay ng thoughts dito regarding sa dagdag ng merit source pero wala pa akong nakikitang magandang sagot until now sa cons, it's just a personal desires?

This thread has a lot more sense than the other topics kung totoong may care talaga sa local, try to contribute any opinions kasi wala namang mali, lahat naman tinatanggap pero may natatalo sa debate right?

I'm hoping this to thread to become a debatable topic pero walang may kayang pandigan or i-prove na tama yung sinasabi nila.  ::)


I think para mas maging fair na yung local natin, let's support kung sino man ang magaapply sa pagiging merit source. All I can see here are pure personal lang yung mga actions, let's build our local here.

Unless may bagong pananaw ang mga nauna ng nagpahayag ng kanilang opinyon, mas maganda kung mga bago naman mag-comment dito. May nakikita akong mga bagong accounts (nagbabalik loob), sana lang makita din nila ito.

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Off-topic:

@asu - May oras ka ba gumawa ng thread kung saan makikita natin ang daily/weekly/monthly posts at comments ng lokal natin? Hindi ko maalala kung meron na nyan. Kung meron man, paki-reply na lang.

The thoughts or opinions of those person na naunang magbigay ng pahayag ang mas priority natin since sila din ang cons for having another merit source. 
This is a debatable topic, I hope people here should care what's happening kasi lahat tayo makikinabang dito.

You mean daily/weekly/monthly posts and thread not comments right? kasi parehas lang ang comments and posts. I’ll try to gather the data for it and provide the stats as soon as possible.

What do you want respondents to debate about? Kung nararapat ba yung mga taong nirerekomenda para maging merit source?

Kung tungkol sa whether kailangan o hindi, it doesn't look like anyone is willing to change their view on this. The sentiment is "to each his/her own". The discussion is about the next/future merit source pero yung argument lang is hindi pa kailangan sa ngayon. Maybe an admission na kailangan ng merit source kapag na-address yung concern o issue nila which is more quality threads or replies.



Terminology ko:
comments = replies to topics/threads/posts
(own) posts = topics/threads

Anyway, maraming salamat. 

Yes, obviously ang daming arguments pero no one give any thoughts about my arguments, kumbaga balewala. So if someone already gives their opinion, hindi na ba sila pwede magbigay ulit ng thoughts regarding my arguments, this is supposed to be a discussion thread pero oone statement is enough na pala.
 
If you read the whole thread, possible kasing masolusyunan yung issue if tayo mismo ang nagiinitiate magbigay at mas lalong magiging active sila. Actually marami ngang good threads ngayon at nakakasatisfying basahin, hindi mga fake conversations/shitbumpers. Hindi kasi maramdaman yung issue kasi nagbebenefit na yung iba sa current situation.

All right, to contribute my additional couple of cents to this discussion, I have always been in favor of an additional merit source to our local. I guess cabalism13's regular merit allocation as a source may not be enough.

I now have a longer list of local active and constructive posters to whom my support goes if in case they will apply as a merit source.

• crwth (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=914465)
• theyoungmillionaire (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1180530)
• GreatArkansas (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1164368)
• finaleshot2016 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=888099)
• mjglqw (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=886521)
• asu (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=519783)
• harizen (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=458393)

Even the following members with lower ranks are very active and could become our additional merit source:

• rosezionjohn (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1215093)
• maxreish (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1933064)
• Bttzed03 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1239188)

After all, theymos is not requiring that the merit source should be of a high rank. All he asks is that the source should:


While the lack of quality posts here in our local is indeed a problem, somehow it has now improved. The local has gone livelier now as compared months before. The bigger problem is that nobody has applied for the position except crwth. And even his application is not approved. Perhaps somebody has to step forward and apply once more. Otherwise, even if the local needs one, nobody will become the next merit source.

Okay, tignan natin kung merong bagong pananaw. Interesado din ako malaman kung ano na ang opinyon ng iba sa kalagayan ng lokal ngayon. Napansin ko din na dumarami ang mga nag-rereply at gumagawa ng sariling thread.

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Salamat sa pag-rekomenda :D
Sa lahat ng nasa listahan mo, sa tingin ko si @asu o kaya si @greatarkansas ang nararapat maging pangalawang merit source base sa naiambag na nila dati at sa recent activities nila sa lokal. Isa pa, pakiramdam ko interesado din sila. If @finaleshot is also interested, pasok din siya sa listahan.

Eto yung dahilan kaya ako nag-request kay @asu ng data tungkol sa activity dito. With numbers, pwede na natin ma-verify at pwede din gawing basehan ng sinumang susunod na merit source applicant.

Same here. However, mukhang hindi pa naman ganun kadaming quality post talaga sa local.
Seen also cabalism13's effort to distribute enough merit sa local board natin, sadyang seasonal lang talaga ang quality post sa atin or sabihin na natin kung walang signature campaign talagang dead ang local board.
 
Thumbs up! The question is "Are they willing to take the responsibility?" We can just drop names here, but still, it is on their inclination to the responsibility, not just the title.

Pending merit source applications indicates that theymos don’t need additional sources. Also, I think it is not yet the right time to apply. We actually have 3 merit sources on our local board, which might be a factor on theymos decision sa pagpili nang bagong merit sources or kung need ba talagang magdagdag nang merit sources, aside sa quality post.

First of all, welcome back @theyoungmillionaire!  ;D

Yes, yun nga rin ang pinakaproblema, regarding sa quality post dito sa local walang wala talaga pero pwedeng i-counter if tayo mismo magiinitiate ayusin. Para nalang din sa fairness sa bawat isa, para mabigay ang nararapat na merits sa mga deserving kasi one is not enough sa mga nageexert ng effort.


Some of them, gusto talaga mag merit source kaso mukhang naiisip nila na hindi pa right time. Ako, personally, additional gawain lang pero if sisipagin, pabor sakin ang pagiging merit source if magbibigay lang naman ng merits sa mga thread at mukhang magandang opportunity rin ito since ang agenda ko naman dito from the beginning is to help our local. Pero no one knows, di talaga ako masipag and busy sa school minsan.


For me, it's fine kasi tayo rin magbebenefit non, para sa good naman at deserve ng karamihan sa atin lalo na yung mga binanggit mo @darker45 and especially you na deserve makareceive ng more than 1. We will consider your opinion regarding about adding another merit source, I hope na maging maayos, fair at lahat nagbebenefit sa kung ano meron ngayon ang local board natin.

I asked Ddmrddmr to help me as well para sa local board. Unfortunely possible yung na recommend mo pero for monthly basis only. And for daily n weekly magiging mahirap siya ma retrieve yung old topics and posts, so basically that means yung present na lang yung marerecord or pwedeng ma-gather na data and that’s today if ever na mag start ako.

Tomorrow September 21, 2019 9:00:00 AM (PH TIME) exact time ng september 21 dito sa forum I’ll be starting gathering daily created thread and posts. ;)

I might say yes or might also say no into this, sa ngayon hindi ko pa talaga nakikitang kinakapos ako katulad nung 1st month ko as a Source, and besides may point si theyoungmillionaire seasonal ang quality posts satin, atsaka dahil na din sa 100 sMerits ko na kailangan kong tipirin for 30days kinakailangan kong mamili ng talagang karapat dapat. Pero sakin hindi ibig sabihin na hindi ito sapat, dahil dito nalalaman ng bawat ang isa ang batayan sa pagkamit ng Merits.

Several weeks ago I tried to stop awarding translated topics and just plain news that has been linked into this Board, dahil sa tingin ko hindi na sya appropriate, sabihin na natin yung nandun yung effort para makatulong sa iba pero it doesn't mean na we have to get an award for doing such thing. Kung napansin din nyo nung tinigilan ko ang pagbibigay ng Merits sa mga translated topics tumigil na din ang pagsulpot nito.

I'm still trying and working on my ass to pick posts that I think its truly deserving. Some opinions feedbacks replies comments na nakikita ko gustong kong bigyan pero hindi pa natin panahon para maging mabait ng husto, sa nakikita ko we should still keep on working, dahil sa palagay ko ay ngoobserba din ang ibang source kung papaano ang distribution dito sa atin.

Kung panahon na talaga at nagigipit ako magmemessage ulit ako sa Admin para madagdagan ang allocation ng sMerits ko. Take note: everyone can be a Source, many of us here has been already an established user of the forum, I will support those users who wants to apply but please take into consideration na kung kailangan ba talaga natin ang magdagdag ng Source lalo na kung less than 100 users lang ang active dito sa local.

It's hard to tell the real point pero let's say na one is enough as a source in our local. Sige okay na yon, kasi karamihan ang sinasabi, we don't need another source for our local. Pero yung allocation nalang per thread that has been exerted by great effort, hoping na hindi same sa mga normal or common threads na makikita lang natin from different platforms lalong lalo na sa facebook, twitter, and other social media platforms. Kasi may mga educational post rin naman na ako na nakikita sa social media platform.

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If someone is trying to search for more technical which is hindi naman madaling aralin, he/she deserves more right? if not then I can say na sayang lang din ang effort niya. I-based natin sa allocation, hindi sa responsibility para mas madaling i-organize kung need pa ba natin. Kasi alam naman natin na kapag binigyan ng position, we'll do our best pero hindi lahat ng best natin ay best na rin para sa ibang tao.

On our local board having 3 merit sources:

Binalikan ko yung merit application ni cabalism13 sa Meta and he was very specific sa request niya na kailangan ng 1 active merit source dito. For some reason, our 2 mods stopped giving or rarely gives merits sa mga posts sa local board natin recently. From the time na naaprubahan yung application ni cabalism13, tignan natin kung mas nag-improve ba dito. Ibig ko sabihin, tumaas ba ang activity at mas dumami ba ang mga merit worthy posts?

Makakatulong siguro yung data na makukuha ni asu kung ipu-push ba natin ang isa pang active merit source.


Pwede na siguro pagbasehan ang monthly activities mula nung na-grant yung request ni cabalism.


Interesado din ako malaman kung ano kalalabasan ng data gathering mo. Salamat in advance.

Una, magiging legendary na ba ako sa topic na to :D ? I put a lot of effort here. Everyday in the morning 8:00 AM PH TIME I am always archiving these 3 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=219.0, and https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=243.0.

Update: September 21-27 (1st week)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-IXT3xOp-QHK0yJx43n7-0M1EnUw3ipY7R1tObCTcus

Tomorrow Monday gagawa ako ng topic about dito and ito na ang magiging pangatlo ko na weekly updates again. For the sake of local board, here I am doing these ;)

haha hindi ko alam kung makakalikom ka ng 100+ merits sa post na gagawin mo pero alam ko mapapalapit ka na sa legendary rank. Actually, iniisip ko nga din yung magiging data na makukuha mo lalo na ngayon magkakaroon ng "activity boost" ang lokal dahil sa latest sig campaign. Mukhang maraming Pinoy ang nanunumbalik  ;D

Abangan ko yan bukas.

Edit: Kita ko na din yung data sa spreadsheet sa baba. Interesting yung daily activities pero bukas na natin pag-usapan kapag nagawan na ng topic.

Naka-private yung spreadsheet, try to make it public para hindi na mag-request for access yung mga staying anonymous dito sa forum na gustong makita yung buong sheet. Para di narin hassle sa kanila magpalit ng dummy email para lang mag-access.

Also, the 3 links, tama ba yung na-send mo kasi links yan ng mga section dito sa forum?

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Thanks edited na, Open for public na yung spreadsheet.  ;)
If may time ka, lagyan mo na rin ng additional design na pleasing sa mata.

Happy to hear that, sana naman maging active pa lalo at sabay sabay na kayong mag-apply as source. The more the merrier diba? just kidding  ;)

Unting activities nalang need niyan ni asu then 100+ merits, Malapit ka na mag-legendary and hoping na maabot mo agad without any circumstances, hahabol nalang din kami nila @cabalism13, @GreatArkansas @crwth @bl4nkcde atbp.