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Hhampuz has recently been tagging applicants of the livecoin campaign, which is a unethical and a clear trust abuse.

There's no fair treatment, signature participants of yobit, sportsbet, and bitcasino which has been active for over a year were not being tagged because the community think it's the right thing to do.

What's the community action on this?

I don't know much about sportsbet or bitcasino, but there's at least a wee bit of controversy over whether Yobit is truly a scam exchange or not, plus there was some talk about DT members tagging Yobit campaign participants IIRC before the campaign was nuked by Theymos.  I suspect that if it continued, somebody would have started tagging Yobit campaigners.

Anyway, this is already being discussed in at least two other threads and many members have given their opinion on the matter.  I said I wouldn't be tagging Livecoin campaign participants but wouldn't stand in the way of anyone else doing it.  From what I gather, they're pretty scammy and I supported the flag against them, and I don't think members ought to be advertising for them. 

If sportsbet and bitcasino are scams and they have campaigns running, their participants are also not being responsible.  If they aren't getting tagged, they're just lucky they haven't been. 

The community action should be this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5161761.0).

He is right to tag them...
Why would they want to advertise an already proven scam?
The warnings were already there but instead the chose money over reputation of their accounts. You can't blame Hhampuz because from his perspective, he managed the campaign earlier on, the scam scandal happened, and he tried to advice the livecoin team to do the right thing which they refused to do so he has a right not to trust anyone who tries to participate in the proven scam.

That's not fair, you are a DT and you are aware of the trust abuse and you don't do anything about it?
He want's out, why keep him in the circle if he doesn't want to be in the circle? He doesn't like the system anymore so his judgement is not gonna be fair.



Hhampuz isn't blind as he can do post counting, if he has balls, he would tagged this people.

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A company employee who doesn't like to work anymore yet a company is still keeping him?
Bosses have to act on this, you are wasting your money retaining an ineffective employee, it would not result to benefit the company.

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DT Members, lauda is looking for you to tag bitcasino, why are you hiding?

Tagging scam advertisers is not trust abuse. I also see that hhampuz has removed negative from some accounts so it is not all black and white like you see it.

Next time try to post from real account and maybe people will take you more seriously.

Editing this, I noticed accounts who have their negative removed got positive instead. I can only say that this is not the right way. Neutral is appropriate.

I’ve been wearing the bitcasino.io avatar & sig for probably over 18 months now. At no point have I been made aware that they are scammers (because they’re not). bitcasino.io also own sportsbet.io who have just paid millions & millions of pounds to be the main shirt sponsor of Premier League football team Watford FC.

The only person calling bitcasino & sportsbet scammers is game-protect who has one of the worst trust ratings on the entire forum.

Stop trying to drag other people into your LiveCoin mess.

I am not getting OP intention. There is reason why Hhampuz is tagging, because there is open scam accusation and it's very recent. Hhampuz was campaign manager of Livecoin and he wasn't happy about reply of Livecoin team. That's why he left the campaign because Hhampuz think Livecoin is a scam exchange (since there is evidence). On that point he could leave negative feedback's to the participants. And I don't think this is trust abuse. If you think this is trust abuse you might distrust him.

Just because you don't agree with trust feedback, does not make it abuse.  Please repeat that over and over, and add it to your signature when you can.

I would also suggest reading up on ethics.  Hhampuz probably does not have the same ethics as you since they vary by person and culture.  To billions of people, it is ethical to scam, as long as you pray to a sky fairy for forgiveness...

Just don't feed this troll, he is just stirring the drama here !

Says an alt account which doesn't have the audacity to post from their main account. Stop entertaining him. I don't know why opinions of such shitbags are taken seriously and replied to.

OP You're a pussy and hiding behind an alt shows your sneaky was of doing things. Get the fuck out.

First of all, Hhampuz asked to be removed from DT2. If he he would be removed from it, it would make all his tags meaningless. Personally I don't agree with his decision to tag Livecoin participants, but I can't call this as trust system abuse. Maybe you can call this as double standarts or something, but it's not trust abuse. You know what is trust abuse? It's something what game-protect did, he left negative trust to all people who are against him and called and in trust feedback he said that all of them abused children.
And maybe yahoo62278 and DarkStar_ abusing something too, because they blacklisted all Livecoin participants from their campaigns?

That would be incorrect, we are not taking away anyone's freedom of choice. Users are free to join any campaign they want. We just will not work with those users and that's OUR choice.

All of you have a chance to be trustworthy users with morals, or you can choose to chase the money. Your decisions show your character and the type of person you are. Your decisions also show me if I want to work with you or not. No abuse is happening by me.

Troll? How? You are trying to close your eyes so you can't see the injustice.

Made a post in the other thread reminding him...


His been online and did not bother to tagged other applicants, hmmm... I get it, only the first page applicants are promoting scam.  ::)

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Because they care for the community and you don't, you are the real troll here.

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For 18 months and you don't know about the scam accusation. You are old enough, go find it and read, then come back here, we will talk, remove your signature because you don't promote a business with scam accusations.


No wonder they both have scam accusations?

Hhampuz, you said you wanted to be excluded from the DT 1 and 2, which tells me you do not want to participate in the system, yet here you are leaving ratings. Which is it? Either you are out or you are in, you don't get to have a special boy class where you have one foot in and one foot out. If you want to participate in the trust system accept the responsibilities that come along with it, or mind your own business like you claim you wanted.

I forgot that I had to run everything by you first tecshare... my bad. From now on I will make sure to send you weekly reports of my thoughts, my needs and most importantly what I consider to be trustworthy behaviour - or not.  Expect this report within 5-7 working days :).

The world isn't black and white, nor are DT members and all their actions. DT isn't a get together social club where everyone sits down and chats about every single forum issue over a beer each day, and then collectively agrees what to do.  It's also not all DT members duty to look in to any of this. Some will, some wont, some wont have time, some will be helping doing other stuff, and some won't be helping out anywhere.  DT isn't a technical job. Though many are great members who do help out a ton. 

If this were bitconnect I would likely tag campaign members until they left it. I was well versed on that topic so it makes sense.   Some DT members would refrain for whatever reasons that may be completely legit.  There's a lot going on here.  DT are not paid moderators here either. 

Using an alt account to bash Hhampuz is the latest thing to do it seems.  Clearly a coordinated effort of late. Buck up and post from your real account if you want to have any sort of legitimacy, which you won't because you would have already had your actual account been a legitimate one.

I've been thinking about this too. It is not like Livecoin scammed hundreds of people. This is an unprofessional exchange being run by amateurs who don't even know how to write a proper ToS or care enough to hire someone who knows how to do so.

Did Livecoin fuck izoomrud over? Yes they did indeed. (against izoomrud's claims they couldn't show any palpable defense)

But there are hundreds of those examples. There are shitton of locked account reports about poloniex as well. (or there used to be, I remember a few) But nobody from poloniex is around, nobody's running a sig camp for polo, so no noise.

Livecoin and their alt account got red'ed and flagged and...

I believe camp participants shouldn't be red trusted for that but on the other hand I don't want Livecoin promoting their exchange without solving the izoomrud's issue neither.

Tagging the participants is an extreme measure but not tagging them means Livecoin can do as they please like something haven't happened at all.

Hard to decide.

***All livecoin has to do is; unlock izoom's account. He probably won't be able withdraw any MONA's since there is no MONA's but I remember he told that he had btc on his account too. Let him withdraw and everybody's happy. About his MONA balance, I didn't hear anybody (at least around here in this forum) complaining about their mona balance. If it becomes a mass scamming by Livecoin, then sig camp participants should be tagged indeed.

The fuck are you babbling about? Anyone can and should post trust feedback as they deem necessary regardless of their willingness or fitness to be in DT.

I agree and I think it's better decision than tag Livecoin participants.
I just thought that's a bit strange that OP didn't said nothing against you both. Following his logic you also had to blacklist participants of Sportsbet, Bitcasino, Yobit, Betcoin and some other campaigns.

It has nothing to do with my approval. Your own actions and statements are contradictory of themselves. You don't want to make the effort to participate in building the trust system, but you still want to participate in it when it serves you, free of criticism of course.

They said that but Hhampuz is not pro community but pro self and some DTs are closing their eyes on this.


There's nothing strange here, I am not against on blacklist as it is their prerogative, I'm more concern on how the trust system is abuse.

Negative - You think that trading with this person is high-risk

It is the correct definition, so if you are wearing Livecoin signature, trading with you is a high-risk?

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To Hhampuz, if more than 10,000 members are wearing the livecoin signature, will you tag them all?

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Performance Artist (https://youtu.be/MBG3Gdt5OGs?list=RDMMMBG3Gdt5OGs)

I watched the video which reminds me about izoombies, honestly.

That's simple.

If someone promotes a scam for a few bucks, anyone dealing with this user is at risk. Especially when 'larger' amounts are involved.
How shall i trust someone who would do anything for a few bucks ?

For my part, i decided to distrust anyone enrolled in the campaign.
I won't do any business at all with people who promote scammy shady and illegal activities.

Well if they are promoting a scam may it be on purpose or unknowingly you are definitely a person not to be trusted. Sig campaigns are like ICOs before you even join one you must know what you are promoting is something that won't damage your reputation or affect in anyway your activity as a member here in BCT. Most members here just see the money or how they will get paid from it but they don't see what damage it would bring if members have been scammed because of what they are promoting. If we including morality as a criteria here then they do deserve a tag from any DT member, I know most of the time they are given the chance to remove their signatures/applications as a warning before they receive a tag but most of them act like they don't see it.

I don't think that's contradictory at all but see how it can appear that way. Facts are though feedback left should be used based on your personal standards nothing more nothing less. Asking to be excluded from the DT system does not take away ones ability or right on the forum to leave Feedback to suite their needs. What this leaves people with the 3 tools at their disposal here, including them in their trust list if they agree, excluding them from their trust list if they disagree or doing nothing if they don't have an opinion or care to act; based on the members feedback. The system will work itself out over time.

Here we have Hhampuz using the system to suite their needs for feedback on accounts. The rest of us can decide how valuable their feedback is, consider this the chance for criticism. I have excluded Hhampuz because they asked for that and I previously had them in my trusted list. I've recently begun respecting the wishes of those in my trust list if they choose to not participate, if needed I will always see it in untrusted eventually.

 

Asking to be removed from the default trust does not take away one's ability to use the trust system here, but this all needs to be applied in the context by which he not only asked to be removed, but what the rating itself is for. Does this rating actually serve the community or is it more likely Hhampuz is just agitated he had to lose income due to public pressure and is now lashing out at people he sees as easy targets? Do any of you honestly believe the rating he left is going to protect anyone? He asked to be removed from the default trust as soon as people started putting pressure on him due to his managing of the Livecoin signature campaign. These two events are not only clearly linked, but quite hypocritical as he by any standard served to lend Livecoin far more credibility than any signature holder.

Finally after shirking his public service in the form of the default trust under very modest criticism, he then again wants to take advantage of the trust system to sooth his butt hurt over the whole situation by over correcting in the other direction by being excessive with his ratings now. Free of the fear of public sanction of being removed from the default trust, he can use this to psychologically compensate for being coerced into take an action by public pressure to give him a sense of control. This all in context is quite contradictory and not honorable behavior.

As I said before Hhampuz, you are only hurting your own actual reputation, not in some ranking system, but with the actual people in the community through this kind of behavior. I am just one of the few people that will tell you to your face whether you want to hear it or not, the rest just quietly whisper it behind your back.

I'm extremely butt hurt!! *Angry*!

Honestly, if you can't see further than your own nose, I can't be arsed to take you seriously :)

As for my reputation with the "actual members of this community", take a good look at what I've been doing lately and you'll find an answer real quick about how much I care for any reputation I have. This forum is not the be all end all tecshare! You should know (:

Well then if you are implying you don't care about maintaining any reputation here, why does my criticism of your use of the trust system bother you so much?

sounds like hHampuz is doing the old tactics of marlboroza,the exclude me drama? do you think we are stupid enough to ride with your dramas?

Yes. That is exactly what you are doing right now.

dont embrace your dumbness,im here to justify your little gang's stupidity.

You said it, not me:


And you decided to respond to the thread... fueling the drama. Stupid.

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Finally, I can be proud to say that I now own the gang. Ah yes, the gang that rules over the forum with an iron fist. We have theymos wrapped around our finger and the various moderators ready to censor at-will.


Centralize! Centralize!
We are the gang of Default Trust!

Centralize! Centralize!
We farm merit among to fuel our lust!

Centralize! Centralize!
Stop account traders stealing our campaigns!

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Good old boys will never back down!