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Cryptohunter has been spreading unwarranted FUD about Hirocoin, he was asleep when it launched. Please come read the release thread to put your mind at ease.

The most excellent Hirocoin launch thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=516349.0)

Whenever you release a coin someone is going to be sleeping. Even so Europe was in morning to midday.

This coin uses the X11 hashing algorithm which is only the second coin to do so and the first conventional one. X11 could be a big thing with Scrypt ASICs coming but there could be another hashing algo that becomes dominant but I cannot see the future.

A lot of time has gone into making this a proper release distinguishable from the majority that we see. Please check out the GitHub commit history to see the development history. There were clients ready to roll at release and a DNS Seed node.

Please take the time to make up your own mind. cryptohunter is entitled to his opinion as are you.

Side note, I am buying 100k HIC for 0.18BTC. PM me if this is acceptable.

SCAMMER ALERT.

did a ninja release whilst the US and EUROPE were sleeping , had opportunity to mine solo on a virgin chain and then expects us to believe he wants to by more coins. Come on scammer do better than this.


1. why not announce like other respectable devs

2. what was to stop you mining instantly and on super low diff for ages until people gradually found your thread at a ninja time of day to most of the world.



the answers are clear to anyone.... there was nothing to stop you and so you did.

CryptoHunter, it was morning to midday in Europe, two thirds of the world cannot be asleep. I'm sorry you were asleep when we launched but it is not possible to launch when everyone is awake. This is how time works around the world.

People can make up their own minds so please let them.

Come see the awesome launch thread :)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=516349.0

Hmm i live in Europe and at this time i was a long time awake so your argument is bullshit.



hmm and where do you see the difference to other coins? There happens the same.




And lastly i wanted to say that your scamaccusation here is a joke cause self moderated Thread. No other opinions allowed right?

This coins isnt more scam then all the other coins launched till now.

7am in europe? on a saturday?  what time was it in the US?

come on dev please??

I explained already that if you ninja launch you the dev have a huge opportunity to solo mine the chain with no competition. You can not deny this , this is just a fact.

Other devs make effort to announce and give fair treatment, even giving password zips so people can mine almost instantly to ensure no instamining by the devs.

You chose not to do this for the only reason of instamining yourself.

I have nothing personal against your coin, however it was open to dev instamining and this is a very negative thing.

All ninja starts need to branded scams. simple.

moron... you have never been awake yet in life.  I can only try and help ...

the difference i already explained, i'm sorry you can't understand the plain and simple difference of the dev having free and open access to a virgin chain...... maybe one day you will understand but right now i see you really do not so i don't mind you consider what i am telling you as bullshit.

If  you live in europe and were awake by 7am then you need to get a life on a friday evening.

gonna this here again to cryptohunter. But i want to point out that there is no need at all to make this thread by the dev. This can be discussed in the main topic.

to cryptohunter:

would you stfu for a moment? You missed this one. Join the next one. So it was launched at a shitty time? At least it was lauched properly, and the coin does not have the standard scrypt algo. Just go cry in another thread or something. I instamined some blocks and i dont give a shit if theyre worth something or nothing. If this coin turns out well, the dev simply did a good job. Its better than all those announced launches that fail EVERY fucking time. This coin does more good than bad. Don't like it? don't join and don't post. People like you cry on every launch if it's not according to your wishes.

and oh yea, i started hours later then launch and still solo'd like 100 blocks. Again, cry elsewhere.

needs to get a life on a friday evening? So only on a friday evening? You're on this forum ALL the time when you're awake. I see you in EVERY new topic. I can see that, because I am also checking these forums for 24/7. So don't give me that shit about a life please.

I felt I had to start this thread because of cryptohunter's FUD in this forum. I find it hard to leave this alone as I have put so much time and effort into this.

One last time cryptohunter before I leave you alone. Europe is a big place spanning many times zones. Everyone understands that when it is night sometime it is daylight somewhere else. Whenever a coin is launched it is night time somewhere and daylight elsewhere. Your argument makes no sense to anyone with any sense at all. But let me reassure you that when this coin was launched it was daylight outside.

If you live in Europe then why are you making such a spurious argument?

Anyway, from where I stand the launch went really smooth with lots of good feedback except for one person ;p

+1, don't care about him. Just try to make your coin a good one, not much more you can do. But again, no need to make a separate topic.

Nice try


But still bullshit.... let me present the fact to you again.

NINJA START = DEV HAS OPPORTUNITY TO INSTAMINE ON A CHAIN WITH ZERO COMPETITION.

THERE YOU GO - FACT. NO NEED TO BULLSHIT PEOPLE


LIES -  i see many others complaining about this ninja start too in your thread.

Yes, youre points are correct. Dev has ability to instamine. It's a fact, yes, but NOT a scam. This is always the case with ninja launches and you better get used to it or make your own coin. Now go cry in a corner because you missed 1 of 100 coins that come out everyday.

cryptohunter would be cool if he had this much dedication to exposing IPO coins as scams

+1

sorry can't have coins where the devs have instamine super powers.... they need to be crushed they are a scam

scam = extreme and unfair advantage over normal miners to attain coins..... this is what happened here. = SCAM

Well i'm done with you. I started mining when there were 9 pages to the ann thread and the difficulty was still super low. I attained 100 blocks and I'm sure others were mining way before me and not ONLY the dev. I see that you're angry that you were late to the party, better luck next time and no need to get on with this.

glad you got some block... happy for you... however does not mean ninja launches are not a scam... they are. I'm glad at least you are smart enough to realise the dev was certainly mining before you.

ok facts:

your opinion is that ninja launch = scam
my opinion is that ninja launch = NOT scam

our opinions differ.

Hope we can move on now.

your opinion that dev having opportunity to instamine with no competition is not a scam = MISLEAD OR WRONG.

Dude we all know that. The devs always mine first. Even a password protected Zip-File cant solve that problem. We all know that but we mine cause we make money with it, knowing that the devs always mak 10 times or more money with it ^^

Btw: sorry that you missed this launch....

Are you still going to continue this discussion? You're really acting like some kid. How can my opinion be mislead or wrong? it's an opinion for Christ's sake.

Yes but with password zip file and announced launch dev has only 1 -2 mins before 100's of miners start mining on his chain .... so dev can grab a few easy blocks max 50 blocks or so if we have the password zips


This ninja launch at night = dev has perhaps an hour of instamining with only a few miners for competition...........dev can grab 1000's maybe not with this coins params but on some coins seriously 1000's of blocks..

this is not good and people need to realise this.

seems fine with me. The dev makes the coin and most coins are not successful anyway. If he can make his coin successful and make some cash from his early blocks I don't see what's wrong with that.

Well either you are mislead or not fully understanding the facts.

You are saying it is in your opinion acceptable for the dev to have unfair and extreme advantage over normal miners???

is that seriously what you are saying??? be clear with your answer.

that is a strange view ...sorry that is just very strange.

Why not just premine instead of saying ...WAIT.... I just notice they don't say if they premined as well.

did this coin have  a premine as well???

Yes that is exactly what I am saying and I am going to be very clear with you and present you some facts, because it seems that is what you like:

Fact 1 : Less than 2 months ago there were not even PRE-ANN threads and all the coins were 'ninja' launched. No one had a problem with this.
Fact 2 : The dev does not have the so called extreme advantage and special mining powers like you said. When he announced the topic here, everyone is free to mine. I'm sure there are people with rigs 100x more powerful than dev's rig. Theyw ill probably have more coins than the dev himself.
Fact 3 : Pre-ann launches fail 75% of the time, making me set my alarm for nothing and getting annoyed.
Fact 4 : I fully understand facts and it looks like you don't understand what the difference is from an actual fact and an opinion (in this case: my opinion)

Hope I was clear enough for you.

Fact 1 : Less than 2 months ago there were not even PRE-ANN threads and all the coins were 'ninja' launched. No one had a problem with this.

wrong last wave of coins before this latest wave of shitclone had announcements


Fact 2 : The dev does not have the so called extreme advantage and special mining powers like you said. When he announced the topic here, everyone is free to mine. I'm sure there are people with rigs 100x more powerful than dev's rig. Theyw ill probably have more coins than the dev himself.


totally wrong - first person to the chain will always have HUGE advantage. Launches like this i would estimate give the devs 1000x more access to the chain than launches announced with zips given pre launch. Cutting down on the devs time on a virgin chain is KEY to fair mining

Fact 3 : Pre-ann launches fail 75% of the time, making me set my alarm for nothing and getting annoyed.

That really has nothing to do with fair

Fact 4 : I fully understand facts and it looks like you don't understand what the difference is from an actual fact and an opinion (in this case: my opinion)

You are not fully understanding Fact2 at all the KEY and only FACT - sorry your understanding regarding fact2 seems very ..... well misguided.

ninja lauch gives devs a LOT more opportunity to instamine that annouced with password protected zips given pre launch. When i say a LOT i mean a LOT - this can not be a good thing.

                                         

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."

Excerpt from the speech "Citizenship In A Republic" by Theodore Roosevelt
delivered at the Sorbonne, in Paris, France on 23 April, 1910

That made me laugh.

Anyway, cryptohunter. Let's leave it at this and lets agree to disagree, which is fine with me.

thanks , see other agree with me.

I'm Brasilian i was dancing flamenco on the dance floor when you launched the coin

You're a hiro de la @&€#!

This is a scam ladies and gentlemans!

glad you agree

 ;D

I tried to buy 100k HIC for 0.3 BTC but have not been sent the coins. Now that cryptohunter, is called a scam. I expect my misfortune will amuse you.

The launch thread is very positive and I am getting PMs of thanks for my work. I hope others take note of the interest in the X11 hashing solution. More coins deciding to keep GPU mining by using X11 will help solidify X11 as the next tier of crypto coin. There are ways to prepare for ASICs on a Scrypt coin, KGW allows decent recovery from being mined suddenly to a high difficulty.

Of course i do NOT like the fact you have been scammed. Any scam is nothing to be amused over.

Name and shame the scammer on here so we know who this person is?

However STILL i do not agree with ninja launches simple as that.

Name the scammer so others know not to deal with them.

This cryptohunter fool posts bullshit everywhere. He told everyone that coin2 holders are noobs and look at c2 price now. Hahaha mr cryptohunter you are a FOOLISH KID

You're the fool fucktard..............post where i said coin2 holders are noobs. I have more coin2 than you do noob troll and have had for some time. I have no issue with coin2 at all.

So get your facts straight turd.

Your language tells everyone what type of pro you are. And let me tell that you will shit your pants when you will see my c2 wallet. Go check your nxt thread post, you kiddie pro

hehe yeah .... i often shit my pants at the sight of an empty wallet.  When will i see this huge wad of c2 you're keeping to yourself? ..... that's right ... never.

I will name this person in the correct subforum but will give him more time first though it does not look good.

Here is the post from yesterday where I said I was going to launch a coin today.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=515205.msg5691957#msg5691957

I explained my reason there for giving vague launch details in the thread above. There are valid arguments for the reasons behind this coins launch. Primarily that I did not want a megaminer waiting who will mine and dump later. This does not give the coin a fair chance.

Post his name everywhere scammers need to be revealed...put it in your OP also.

Well look,  if you do a fair launch with kgw and annoucement with password zips.... there is no chance for mega miners. They just drive their own diff way up. Mega miners like 50mh + can always get more, what if one was first on your launch??? they would do more damage by far than on an announced launch with KGW and password zips because they would have no competition and your diff retarget was very slow... so that is not a credible reason. You are a programmer so i know you understand this fact.


Anyway ,I've said enough about this coin, i have no personal issue with it over any other ninja coin. I don't think ninja launches are fair, so will say about it when ever coins do it.

However, yes i don't like it when people steal. Always make them send first is my motto. Sorry to hear you lost 0.3BTC... brand them a scammer and make sure others don't get money taken from them too.