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I'm thinking here, is there any online casino that shows in a clear way the algo they used?

Like the odds of any game...

If anyone know how they write the scripts, please share with us, I'm curious to know how they calculate to work

there is .  you can click on the fairness button that you can see on every casino that you visit ( im sure there is ) because ive been visiting lots of online casino's and there were always a fairness button that you can click to see if they are fair or not   . you can also verifiy your own results after you roll  .

I think most of the casinos do,they use some algorithm to show you that any roll is independent of any other roll,most I have seen in Fiat casinos is the MD5 hash they use to show you they are a provable fair casino.I have also heard stories of ways to manipulate this MD5 but I don't know if they are true in depth.

What will be the guarantee that they are using the same algorithm for implementing and for showing to us. I mean even if you will be filing a case and the gambling house proving their scripts in front of Jury, there will be no guarantee that they are running the same algorithm against all the gamblers.

Simply, the ball is in their court and you need to believe into them and this is how the whole gambling industry is working. I am not just against any of gambling house but generally talking about the business nature from real-world experience. If we agree with them then we might go availing their services otherwise just staying away is highly recommended rather than spending efforts on checking with their business background.

Almost every legit online casino has got the fairness tab through which you can verify how the respective casino is provably fair. In that we will get a client seed and it's server seed. Further it can be verified through the calculation that we get related to that particular client seed.

To be honest, I never search about what algo they used on their website because I think they will never tell the truth, and besides that, they only said that they use a provably fair. I think that is enough for us and we can play without a problem. Maybe we don't have to think about what algo they use because as far as they do not cheat to us, it is good for us.

Every single casino provides the 'provably fair' information. I don't think I would trust all the information that they give at face value, and I would 100% recommend using an independent site (like DiceSites) to ensure that the site isn't lying to you to get fraudulent bets past you.

Be cautions in the world of crypto. TRUST, BUT VERIFY.

I wouldn't say all, but many of them provide provably fair games that can be checked.
You can find them on https://www.provablyfair.me  https://dicesites.com or https://thebitcoinstrip.com/provably-fair-casinos for example

Then, if the casino give your proof of fairness?

Could you understand the code, and you can validate by yourself. To be honest, some people try to ask about that but can't understand the code from the Algo. The best option, choice casino who used the algo which many programmers have recognized that algo, so you don't need to worry. The best proof of fairness, go to a Real/Live Cassino for doing a gamble.

bcgame has some lines of the codes they are using for there games over at there github (https://github.com/BCSNProject/bcgame-crash). Next to that im sure any casino has a seed verify tool to check the outcomes of there hashing methods.

I agree, all crypto casino I know where I gamble has their provably fair information available for anyone to see. gamblers will definitely
doubt the legitimacy of fairness of any gambling site if the gambling site is not allowing anyone to see this kind of information.

Yes, we can't trust everything on the site because the house can always edit that which is for the better of their own gambling site. If  they post the fairness level on their site, you must do your own study but I guess it will be hard to fully analyze the market. I just put my faith on every gambling site I play for, and so far I'm still playing without any problem.

Yes, I can undertand the code, but even if I couldn't, on the web there always a sense of community and a programmer can check for us if the algo is fair enough

Good to see your thoughts guys, I know it's difficulty to understand and to trust is the fairness, but it's important to casino owners have the information that people are worried about trust

yes many casino so there fairness in most of the time they give the option for checking them if you don't know that you will need to understand that how you need to search it in your Casino

Yes they do.

Take for example Crypto-games.net been using.
https://app.randompicker.com
https://dicesites.com

Majority of legit gambling sites do make use the same thing for sure.

This made me remember my signature campaign as I have personally check it out and find out the truth about fairness. Most of these gambling platform's do have the functionality of the button fairness which can be ckeck anytime, even the client seed but for some other gambling platform's I doubt.

Pretty sure there are tons of provably fair gambling platforms out there, you just have to know/learn how to read hash/session seed (the call varies depending on which platform you use). Dice sites mostly employ this method of verifying that every hash is valid/legitimate and by no means being controlled by someone during the roll. There are some Blackjack and Roulette games where the term 'provably fair' applies though I'm not sure what gambling site can you find those.

All most all the casino's I played on have that feature:

Here is freebitco.in
https://i.imgur.com/e6pBez7.png

Here is playbetr:
https://i.imgur.com/Fa0S1JY.png
If that feature don't exist on a casino, I wouldn't play there tbh. You don't want some hidden script affecting your luck.

The good casino sites will let you verify each bet / roll and verify that it is probably fair.
Also these sites will let you change the client seed with every roll.

Most of those gambling casinos we know how significant gambling licenses and also in certificates. These licenses and certificates have been done checking by reputable authorities that they are provably fair to all their players, they must have to verify in every bet. But I suggest that always read the terms and condition in every gambling sites to know them better or their FAQ.

Crypto-games.net allows you to check and verify your each bets individually. There is also a dedicated tab where you can check their proof of fairness and if it is legit or not. I think most of the casino also offers this kind of feature were you can check if their provably fair algorithm is correct or not.
Anyways, you can't do much if they scam you or anything. Taking them to court and face a trial is going to be the hardest thing you will be doing. You would just be wasting your energy trying to sue them.

Is there any difference between the proof of fairness and provable fair? This is my first time of hearing the words. They sound thesame.

By the way, don't you think exposing the algorithms will make their system vulnerable?

That is something to look for, check their reviews if they have a good reputation and not just by looking for a verification code cause mostly all casinos have it unless they are of fully shit. They'll have to think of its transparency and to keep all players are in fair play.
Actually, we can't prove it by just looking into their algo, it is better to have some gambling experience with their site to have an answer. 

Some online casinos do state or show their algorithm or fairness prove and it does not actually makes the system vulnerable per say.
It brings more trust and creates willingness to play as that is what most users seek out first before playing. Nobody wants to play in a casino with tampered script.

???  It's the first time I hear that.
Where could you check proof of fairness in a real casino?  ???

This is the first time you're hearing which words?

not most but only few gambling sites have licenses because these licenses are not easy to get . there are some gambling sites that are well known and operating for years but i dont see any license on their site  .

but this is a sure fire way to determine if the site is trusted without any checking for their fairness any other proof that thier site is fair  .

Besides that, I think they don't give details of the algo of what they used because they will think about the security too, but I don't know more about that. But I think no matter if they show the algo or not, as long as they can give the best services to their members, the members will not have complained about that, and as long as the members don't have any problem with the site, then it is fine.

Most of casinos do, if they don't then they aren't probably fair and not to be trusted. Well there are many who provides their own provably fair page where they explains how they determine the roll. For example: This is the fairness verifier of primedice hosted on jsfiddle: http://jsfiddle.net/44xke8ya/11/ . You can find explanation in their provably fair page or FAQ.

Most but not everyone mate has fairness bottom ,though most of the time only legit casino are actually including this for transparency of their players
But never forget that since sites are letting players knows  about their fairness does means they are trustworthy since it isn’t easy to put this but the truth are it wasn’t real at all
Exactly mate ,I have same thought on the matter because algorithms are the secret of house on how they manage to beat players and exposing this may lead to their losing

Even if the gambling casino shows their fairness proof even then I have many doubts that they are showing the correct proof and should we trust them or not.

If you are looking to  check which casino can be trusted and which cannot be trusted, it is better to look for the feedback and the user's comments about that casino.