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I would just like to share some of my real life experience since I have been engaged into crypto for more than a year already. I will ask some of your opinions too. It will be short and concise don't worry ;).

I'm a degree holder and eligible also to work in a government or in a company. I can easily be hired as an employee and work for them. To be honest, when I started crypto my mindset has changed. I want that I have the control of my time. I can do what I can anytime.

To cut the story short, people around me always saying that "Why don't you go to work?" "What are you doing in your house?" worse some says that "I'm a burden to my family because I don't work". They don't know crypto and you can earn from it that is why their mindset is like "Work 8 hours a day then work again tomorrow for 8 hours".

I don't have that kind of mindset. I don't want to be ordered around to be honest. They don't know what I'm doing in my computer. I can't say what I'm doing for some reasons and in the end, I feel irritated about what they are saying to me.

One question. I know that some here have decent jobs in their real life but how do you response somebody who is saying things like that. Please help me. I don't know what to say to them and even I say it, they have no idea unto what I'm doing. Thanks.

P.S. If I put it in a wrong thread please say it and will move it. ;)

We are all Bitcoin lovers but most people have to work as well. Try to get the best out of both worlds, that would be my advice.
Get a good job, health insurance, paid vacation and a pension when you get old. And keep accumulating Bitcoin. Unless you are an early bitcoin user then all the above doesn't apply to you.

Are these people close family? If so, the best way to stop them from asking is to give them money on a weekly or monthly basis. That should be enough to prove to them that you are doing well with crypto or whatever online gig you have and that you don't need an 8-hour job.

If they are not close family, you can just ignore them.

Good to hear that you starts to realize why you need to work for someone's benefits.

It is not a wonder that many people think why you are not working because all they know is work from 9 to 5 for decades and retire with small amount of savings.

No rich person will have this working mindset.

Don't count on crypto as a main income. It's almost like gambling if you don't know what are you going. The market is so volatile that all your imvone for a month can disappear in seconds. Not to mention the hacks and scams.
Better have it as a hobby and have a secure income every month.

I decided to become a digital nomad, and many people are critical of this.  I just point out that I have a positive net worth, and I believe that more than half of the populations of the US and the UK have a negative net worth. The number of people who can find £1,000 in the event of a crisis is also frightening. I've got more than that in my Bitcoin wallet, and that is just a part of my savings.

I'm going to give you some hard truths here, and I apologize in advance if I cause offense.

Are you earning enough with crypto to support your life? Are you paying rent, buying your own food, paying your own bills, and so forth? Or are your family providing you with all these things? If they are providing for you, then I'm afraid you are being a financial burden. Now, I'm not saying that you are an emotional burden, or that your family aren't happy to support you, but if you aren't earning enough to support yourself with crypto, then you need to think about alternative means of income. For most people, the means getting a job, and you sound like you are in a privileged position in which getting a job would not be a huge hurdle.

I would agree with the others above that having a regular paying job and being involved in crypto are not mutually exclusive, and it is wise to have as many regular sources of income as possible. Relying only on crypto for 100% of your income is unnecessarily risky.

Nobody says these kinds of things to me, for the exact reason you have stated; I also work hard a well paying job. What I do when I'm not at work (aside from family life) is therefore my own decision.

The problem with most individuals is that, they have to see proof that somethings actually works before they believe you. They don't know how to work with their imaginations. The school system have program them to see working late hours, multiple jobs etc as a way to make a living. I did have similar issue as you're experiencing as in my part of the world, anyone seen to always operating his laptop (mostly young adult, 20s above) are always linked to internet crime especially when they don't see you as a hard working type (that's working late hours or multiple jobs).

You should try enlightening anyone that question your lifestyle, show them proof you're not just wasting your life on the screen of your device. I did just that and it worked out for me even turned some into learning more about bitcoin, how the crypto industry works and how to profit from it.

We all know that times has changed, you do not need to be physically present somewhere to do some work. Many jobs are carried out remotely, and all you need is PC and internet connection.

With regard to that, you can say that you are working for some company, but you can work from home. I agree with o_e_l_e_o&CryptopreneurBrainboss that you need to show some proofs that you actually doing something useful in your life. There are people who work in front of their computers, but there are also those who waste their time by playing games / watch movies all day - you need to show others that you are not waste your time.

What the hell are you doing in your computer?

You have to pay for your bills as o_e_l_e_o said. Pay for your rent, food, drinks, travels, etc. If you live with your parents, just go get a job to pay for your own home.

Cryptocurrencies will not give you financial freedom by itself. Even if Bitcoin goes to 100k USD, you need at least money to buy 5-10 bitcoins now, which would cost you 50k USD. If you don't have at least 500k USD, no matter where you live, you will have to qork. In your life to pay for food rent etc...

To get that 50k USD, you need to work (or someone will pay that for you)

You know what, just don't mind them, if they judge you easily, that means they would not listen to you.
You have no obligation to explain to them you life and your passion, just do your thing and remember that as long as you are not violating anyone's right, you can live peacefully even if others will judge you the way they think.

I don't work as well, but I don't have the kind of feeling you shared here, maybe we don't have the same attitude.

They are not seeing me wearing corporate dress, go to work everyday, but I have a wonderful house and a car, which I earn in crypto.
They sometimes judge me that I'm a drug dealer, but I just don't mind.

Friend if you are getting good profit from crypto one way or their other don't even think about stopping,we are on same path,I have people around me as well that thinks I'm wasting my time and when they see me doing new things like buying costly things I always see the jealousy in their eyes,why should you care?ignore them

I will be frank with you because the truth is bitter,ask your self this question 'am i getting enough from crypto?' If your answer is yes then keep doing that till you will be able to show them that you haven't been playing around for  nothing but the fact about me is when I came into crypto space i had nothing,not even a job and it changes the way i think because I don't want to be a burden for others i quickly learn somethings i couldn't believe that i can ever do,sometimes you have to open door to challenges and take them by the bull's horn

He is in same signature campaign as you, and that means that he earn some crypto by promoting someone or something in his signature. By check OP post history I find some additional information about his previous job, and by reading that it is very easy to understand why he is not want to work some regular work - he say that with his signature campaign he get x2-x3 more then before.

I am not saying that he should focus only on crypto, but I fully understand him - if you have choice to work for $100 per month or $300 per month it is quite obvious what most would choose. I think that even with 1 BTC he will become super rich in his country (Philippines).

Lol are you saying its easier to live in a country like Philippines?if 100$ can sustain him for a month then i would love to live in Philippines,anyways don't be mislead you know what's best for yourself,in this world some people can't even make that much in a month but if I were you I'd find better way in crypto because really 100$ is way too small

No, 1 btc doesn't make anyone super rich anywhere. That's not how poor countries work.

He had a shitful job, but a signature campaign is not a job.
I live in a country as fuked as Philippines and this signature campaign cannot pay my monthly expenses, not even close. But it is a very good paym and it is not insignificant.

I have a full time job that pays nice in brazil, and thats the only way to survive in a poor country. Even chipmixer wouldn't pay enough to live here. Maybe a shitful single life without any luxury or travels etc.

Someone is paying for op rent, food, etc. He is paying for his beer that's all

And beer, cars, house, etc is very expensive in poor countries too. But wages are very small... And there's lots of unemployment.. but there is no other way, we all have to work.

Freedom,that's what i think this guy wants,we all have the right over how we want to live our life,if he is so OK with it why not?and moreover who says crypto can't favour him in the near future? Friend don't give up,they are challenging you and you need to prove them wrong

I'm not sure what region you are from, in my local, it would be worst to be honest.
You can share your crypto work as freelance job since they don't know about crypto. If I were you, I would do that.
By the way, it is not something you should only depend on (if you don't do anything else), no matter how much you earn now but you need to have something fix, that might be a job or a business. This is my personal opinion. I am fed up with my job though.
Enjoy reading my situation  ;D https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153261.0

What people are missing is in some countries tax payment is way too easier and in some you don't even have to worry about it and same as bills too,some countries have lesser cost of living than the others,I haven't been to Philippines but since he is a philipina he should know best so he might actually be satisfied with what he is getting

This is a real issue here. A signature campaign is not a job. He could be "fired" at any time, and not find a new campaign to join. theymos could ban signature campaigns tomorrow. It is not guaranteed income by any means. If it ends, he is going to have to find a job, and will again be in a poorly paid entry level job. Whereas he could be spending these years working up the corporate ladder somewhere, whilst also earning in a signature campaign.

If your income in crypto has a better income than working 8-12 hours every day but there's a huge risk on what you're doing. Since they wouldn't understand how do things work then explain it to them. It's the right time for engaging the people around you in learning cryptocurrency and might increases their attention and knowledge on what you're doing in your life.

In my situation, I'm a regular student and for me, it's a really hard course and should have a lot of time and effort to invest in studying. I can say that all of my time must be spent in a good way so I can pass all of those subjects and graduated on time. People around me are believing that I must graduate at the right time, have a degree, and take a licensure exam. Actually, I have a license even I'm a student but can you imagine that I still manage to do effort posting and creating informational threads and also gaining income that is considered as a common thing. Now, I'm always thinking that when I graduated and even I have a huge minimum salary for a fresh grad, I will still invest time on crypto.

I believe that a job is should be acquired, as reputable members said, signature campaigns or even the bitcoin can be vanished and might fully affect your whole life relying on it. I think being practical is way better than the usual thing we're doing in here to gain money. If you really love crypto then have time management or make a business that will help you for the division of your work, crypto for the first day and job for the next day, something like that. I'm just concern to you, have an escape plan in case there's something worst might happen in crypto.

Cryptocurrency might not forever exist but I will make sure that even crypto will go, the flow and the process of my success will be constant, still going up until we reach the sky.

I wouldn't mind to have a live with crypto earning if the earning is passive and if you have some good amount of BTC in holding. But as like other said, signature campaign isn't a full time job.
I would suggest you start up a business here or anywhere in online which will better suit your interest.

It's good that you are not talking about crypto in real life, keep at it, because words travel fast and it can just attract criminals or corrupted officials who would want to take your coins. Just tell people that you work online, that you're a translator or a writer, say that you are a freelancer.

Now, it's debatable whether signature campaign is a real job or not, but the fact is, you should have a ton of free time, and instead of fooling around you should learn some skills that will help you land a decent job in case signature campaign will end. Try to look at programming or design, translating, marketing, writing and so on. Find what works best for you and slowly learn, then look for jobs online. 

Most people will not understand that you can make more money in crypto than a government work. If crypyo is paying you more, forget about what people say. Its your life, live it as it will please you and don't listen to people.

Income from crypto is unstable, sometimes high, sometimes low, or even losses. I meant sometimes you get huge profits from crypto and use most or part of profits for your daily expenses. In contrast, sometimes you have to see your balance falls every day (in bear market), hence you will have to withdraw money from your fund to pay your daily expenses. It will give you pressure, and sure you will have uncomfortable feelings.

Either ways its your life pal,in this life you stand to fight alone and you don't have to show the world what kind of a fighter you are,the end will justify the means

I do not agree with your opinion, 1BTC is now almost $10 000 and if someone is work for $50 or $100 monthly salary this is huge money for him. But what about future price, in 5 years that 1BTC could be worth 5 or 10 times more - it is just a risk anyone need to take with cryptocurrency.

How much you need to have decent life in Brazil? ChipMixer signature participants have the possibility to get 0.0375 BTC per week or 0.15BTC per month. This is at current rate around $1400, and you can live in almost any EU country with that. By what I find online, average monthly net salary in Brazil is $465, and all utilities for 85m2 apartment are around $75.

Source of info : https://www.numbeo.com

Bitcoin is fluctuative so you should consider it as alternate investment not primary.

Also bitcoin is risky investment because the value always change constantly from time to time.
When your family told you to get your real job because they care about your future meanwhile crypto trading , IMO, only give you risky future !

To have a decent life, renting a house, being able to travel once a year, eat in a restaurant with a girl once a week and drink a beer, have a health plan (which costs near $100-150 per adult), I would say at least 1500-2000 USD depending on the city.  there are cities like Rio de janeiro which are as expensive as any big cities like London for example. Can you live well in London with 1500? I think someone can survive but in medium term  may have financial problems (there are unexpected costs, for example my notebook was robbed few months ago and I had to spent Usd500 in a new one). maybe Rio dr janeiro is even more expensive because there is no public service here. (You need to pay schools, hospital expenses, health plan, no police etc)

For how long was BTC above 10k? The average price since 2017 probably was about 5-7k.
There were months when it was 3200, such as December.  That would be like 500 USD. (What would be rent and health plan only probably). There is no public health plan here (there is but you will die if you need it.)

Also, can you live without ever paying taxes?

If you have a child, forget about all that math lol


Signatures, bounties are a great complementary income. They are very significant anywhere in the world, but I wouldn't live solely with them. Don't think it is safe or wise.

I do not know how then people live in Brazil with average of $500 per month if you need up to $2000 to live some decent life...I know what you consider decent life, but you are talking about houses, travelling, eating in restaurants and we are not on same page here. You are also wrong about comparing London&Rio de Janeiro (https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+Kingdom&city1=London&country2=Brazil&city2=Rio+de+Janeiro&displayCurrency=USD), how cost of life can be same in those two cities? I check prices and most of things are 50% cheaper in Rio, then in London - and I can not live in London with $1500 because it is one of the most expensive cities in the world - they will be soon out of EU.

Let's say I bought 5 BTC back in 2015 for total of $1000, and I sell them for $100k in 2017, and then I invest half to buy 15+ Bitcoins this year at price of $3000 - Now I have $50k and 15 BTC, all from $1000 investment. This is just example, but it show that if people are smart, they can make big money with small investment.

I agree that signature campaign should not be primary job, but who are you or me to to judge others people lives - If OP wants to live such life it is his choice, and maybe he will profit more in 10 years in front of his PC then to work on some regular job all of his life.